Parent Alert: How to Raise Kids with Grit—For Real

Our Most Modern Parents Week. It is a hot conversation today on Parent Alert. Jill Simonian from PragerUKids here. Welcome to Parent Alert. If you haven't already, friendly reminder to subscribe for free to PragerUKids.com for all the wholesome and values-driven books and episodes to help raise your kids with grit and capability. And grit and capability are the key words today. That's what we're focusing on. You might be watching this live right now on Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and X. Later this episode is going to be over on PragerU.com. If you're watching live, tell me where you're watching from. We always like to know. So what we're doing today is a little different. We're nearing the end of summer, which makes me so very sad, but I digress. We're nearing the end of summer, and I thought to share a vintage Parent Alert episode with you from 2025. And this is one of my very favorite episodes of all time. It is no nonsense. It is tough. It is filled with scathing truth that is sometimes hard to hear, but valuable and worth it. And this is so important for the times we live in now, especially raising children, no matter what their age is, toddler to teenage years. So this episode that we're sharing right now with you is a frank conversation about raising kids with rules and discipline in a world that has all but abandoned anything that has to do with the rules and discipline. This conversation is with bestselling author, fitness entrepreneur, and mom, Jennifer Cohen. I actually sometimes go back and listen to this conversation myself when I need to stay motivated and anchored for raising my own kids to be confident, capable, and to be able to cope. So raising kids to have grit, like I said, is pretty much abandoned in our social structure and within our school system, but not on our watch. Oh no, enjoy this re-release right now of a very meaningful conversation that might also rally you up and make you a little bit defensive, but that's a good thing for the greater good. This conversation about how to really raise resilient kids. I really think you're gonna love it, but buckle up. I am so excited for today's conversation because it's inspired by grit, resilience, adventurous spirit, all of the things that we want our young kids to have. We have a brand new Trailblazers book series coming out to teach your children all about these qualities that are frankly no longer being taught in schools. And I am convinced my phone brought me our guest, Jen Cohen, I gotta get into this. Every, around the office, I kept saying grit, resilience, because we're in meetings and we're talking about these books, the Trailblazers books, and it's all about grit and resilience. And then I start seeing in my Instagram feed, Jen Cohen, Jen Cohen, the real Jen Cohen, and you are all about grit and resilience. And the fun fact in all of this, for anyone watching or listening who wants to like look up the fun facts, is that I was a fan of you years and years ago. You're a fitness expert, you're a speaker, you're an author, mom, all the things. And now you're all about grit and resilience. And so Jen Cohen keeps coming up on my phone and I think, well, hello, I gotta get her in here to talk about this. I love what you're doing. Thank you, and I will say something that I've always been about grit and resilience. And my entire arc of a career and life is because I've had resilience and grit. And that's why I kind of dovetailed this into what we're talking about today, which is I believe that grit and resilience doesn't start when you're an adult. It starts when you are a child and you learn to be resilient, you learn that skill. And so that's why it was so, it was fate that we were brought together, what, eight years ago on fitness? And then now we're talking about something about parenting and children. So I love that I'm here with you today. Oh, 100%, and your kids are a little bit younger than mine. Rough ages, they're elementary school, right? Yeah, nine and 12. Okay, and you have a boy and a girl. So, you know, I'm a mom of two daughters, teenage daughters, so a little bit different. And I'm at a different phase, all good, all good. But I wanna start with you and your childhood. You are famous for bringing up a game called Spit and Catch in your latest TED Talk. If you have not seen her latest TED Talk, and the title is The Secret to Raising Kids in a Fragile World, you need to go watch it because you open the whole speech with this game that you played in your childhood called Spit and Catch, and it's disgusting and gross, but I want you to tell everyone what it is. Yes, okay, it's funny. It is a disgusting game, but it works. So when I was a kid, I was bored a lot, like most kids, you know, like, mom, I'm bored, dad, I'm bored. My dad would always say to me, go play Spit and Catch, which is spit in the air, and then you try to catch it. Right. It's disgusting, right? But it was his way of getting rid of me and making me kind of play, like figuring out a way to play by myself, right? And that's what I did, and I went and did that, and of course, lo and behold, it didn't last very long, but it got me, it was a gateway for me to kind of, for me to try to figure out how to play by myself, right? Because I'm a big believer that boredom is very important. That's where creativity lives, and I realize and recognize that as a kid myself, and I feel that what's happened over time and now in our youth is that boredom is no longer even an option, and boredom is considered a bad thing. But when I was a kid, when you were a kid, when we were bored, it made us try to figure things out on our own and think of like what and how we can entertain ourselves, right? We would go for bike rides, we would climb trees, we would play with our friends down the street. All of those activities are now completely gone, and they've been replaced with smartphones, iPads, and honestly, just plain, just nothing else. Garbage. Garbage. We call it, honestly, we call it garbage here. Yeah. We call it garbage for the brain when kids are scrolling mindlessly, watching videos that do not educate them, do not give them a skill, do not give them any motivational, aspirational anything, and we call it garbage for the brain. And I'm curious, I wanna hear your thoughts, and not that you're a psychologist or anything like that, I don't wanna misrepresent, but you are all about health and fitness and getting your mind right. What do you think that garbage for the brain does to our bodies? So interestingly, I have a psychology background, yeah, a psychology degree, and I also have a business background also. Okay, first of all, by the age of eight, did you know that by the age of eight, most kids have now spent almost a year of their time on a smartphone or an iPad? That's the first thing. Yeah, I can't, yeah. What it does to our brains is basically makes it mush. It creates, and what it does is it creates a very bad comparison game. People, the kids have now create, now they become much more depressed, anxious, suicidal, because they're comparing themselves to other people who they now think have a better life than them. That's the first thing. It also creates a sedentary behavior where that is now what they believe is normal, right? And they become lazy, they become disinterested in doing anything that is of any substance. And I have to tell you something, I actually blame the parent. Me too. Not the child. Me too. It's not the child's fault. 100%, thank you. And what we've done as a generation now is we have now made it so we wanna be the child's friend, not the parent. And so that's become, that supersedes discipline, that supersedes parenting. And so because we don't want the kid not to like us or because we want the kid to be happy with us, we give them everything they want. Do you know how many parents have said to me, oh, I hate TikTok because of what it does, oh, I hate Instagram because of what it does. Well, guess what? You're the parent, take that off of the phone. Don't allow your kid to watch it. It's not TikTok's fault that you have not taken that away from your child. Parents need to parent. It's not your job as a parent to make your kid love you all the time, but it is the job of a parent to make the kid mentally strong, resilient, gritty because those are the traits that create real success in life. And we've lost that ability. And we've now taken that and replaced it with this gentle parenting nonsense, which is by the way, total nonsense. Garbage again. And I could jump up right now. I mean, could you sense, I'm so excited that you're saying this because eight years ago, 10 years ago, when the smartphones first came on the scene and I was noticing that many people were giving these devices to their kids with free reign and allowing them to watch garbage. Yeah, literal garbage. It would infuriate me because to me, when you are watching the phone, when you're watching a screen, it's up to us parents to curate that and make sure that if they're going to watch it, to have a little bit of, it's okay to watch a little bit. Spurts at a time. But it's up to us to make sure that that content is educational, to make sure that it's something fruitful that they will then take with them and learn something. And then it's up to us to take it away. Listen, listen, children need guardrails. They need to have boundaries and where are they gonna get these boundaries from, right? You need to create these guardrails where kids don't have free reign to go check out YouTube. And by the way, Disney, Nickelodeon, and all of these supposed child or kids friendly networks have been shown and proven over time to actually undermine the parent. They create situations and believe me, I've talked about this on my podcast at Nauseam with the best experts in the world in neuroplasticity, in parenting, in psychology, who've done a lot of this research. And these shows have created this ideology that parents are stupid, because they make fun and mock the parents. That's what your kids are actually watching when they're watching these shows. You think because it's rated G and they're not swearing that they're okay and they're not getting the other stuff. The other thing is they're creating sassiness and this attitude where they're not promoting good behavior. They're actually promoting bad behavior, how to be sneaky, how to be mean, how to be a mean girl, how to be a bad boy. And the kids, because they're so young, they act and they don't know any different. Like how do they, they only know what they're shown, right? They think that that's how they should be behaving. So I even think that some of these things that people have now thought of in the zeitgeist to be like okay and healthy for your children are actually even more detrimental than just scrolling Instagram. You know that's one of our whys for creating PragerU kids. You couldn't have said that. I know, I didn't know that. You literally could not have said that better. That is one of our whys for creating PragerU kids to create content that is the opposite of all of that, that actually honors parents and teaches the good character and discernment and all of those things. So you couldn't have said it better. I wanna go back to parenting, because you have young kids. What are the rules in your house? Do you have screens? Do you not have screens? Tell me how it works in your family household. Okay, so first of all, my 12-year-old, all of his friends have phones, right? I refuse to get him a phone. I refuse. Good girl, good girl. And it was, and what was very much really kind of, it was actually very like disheartening for me was I tried to get other parents on board with my mission of basically prolonging that phone as long as possible. No other parent wanted to partake in it. What happened was I got my kid a phone that has zero apps on it, just the ability to call me or I call him and text. So that's the first thing. I do have timed things on my kids' phones. So my 12-year-old's allowed to play video games for a very finite period of time on certain times of the day when his homework is done, when everything else is finished. Same with my daughter. Because at the same time, I wanna be able to, I want my kids to have a little bit of that because to me, it's like with anything in life, right? If you deprive 100%, they're gonna crave something even that much more and then go hog wild. And what I saw was with my kid having nothing, when he was with his friends that had a phone, he would stare over their phone and over their shoulder for hours on end. A massive thing in my house, a massive thing is chores. Chores is one of the number one things to really raise and build confidence and self-esteem in your children. So that's like kind of a non-negotiable. At a very young age, I gave both of my kids tasks. They have to make their bed, they have to take out the garbage because in my opinion, confidence builds confidence. And when you have confidence, it actually breeds self-esteem. And you don't have to be an Olympian to be confident, but you have to be able to feel that you can do something, like you can actually do a task. So giving your children something as menial as it may seem to make their bed every day or do the dishes, that actually is something that helps them over time. Those kids who've actually done chores when they were young became the most successful in their life later on. That's a non-negotiable for me. Do you pay for chores or no? You know, it's funny, my kids always laugh and, well, not laugh, they actually get mad at me because I always say I'm gonna give them their allowance and they forget. But I say like, I will give them $5 a month and they don't like that. But the truth of the matter is like, it's not so much about the money at the beginning. Now when they're getting older, I have to kind of do this whole thing with them, which is allowance, which is, by the way, I'm fine with because it teaches them about money management and like, okay, if I want to get this, I need to do X. I'm not just gonna hand them things. My 12-year-old, it actually, mostly and even at this age when he wants something, he buys it himself. Good for him. Because to me, having value, like I find it really gross, especially where we live, the amount of entitlement that kids have at such a young age and living on the West side of Los Angeles, it is even more abundant. And so I try to do everything I can in my household to really kind of eliminate that as much as possible, which is working for what you have, showing the value of a dollar. Not everything is just gonna be handed to you. And like, the other thing we do in my house is I don't do their homework for them and I don't allow my husband or anybody to do my kids' homework for them because that doesn't teach them or do anything for them. If each parent is doing everybody else's science project, you're just competing against the other parent for the gold star. Let your kid do it. And if they don't do a good job, guess what? They'll get a bad grade and then they'll learn from that mistake to probably work harder. And it's the gift of failure. I always say it's the gift of failure. And now everything you're telling me, see, it makes perfect sense to me. I'm listening to you. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes perfect sense. And then what happens with me, and I'm curious what happens with you too, when I hear other parents, and I'm just gonna be very transparent here, and a lot of people might not like it, but when I hear other parents say, oh, it's so hard to say no, oh, it's harder to do that than usual, I literally cannot wrap my head around why they don't have the gusto to say, no, we're not doing that, or you will fix your bed. Why have so many parents become these scaredy cats for raising their children in the way that we know yields successful people? Well, the obvious answer is because the parents have chosen to be a friend to their kid versus a parent. It's easier to allow your kid to get what they want so you don't have to be confrontational, you don't have to fight with them, you don't have to have a yelling match with them because that's obviously what's gonna happen, right? So it's easier to be passive and be like, okay, fine, just not, don't do it, I'll do it. It's easier if I make the bed versus them because A, you'll get done better, faster and faster, and it doesn't require me nagging, which then will cause this full combative nature. So the answer, the simple answer is like I said earlier, parents are choosing to be their children's best friend or friend versus their parent, which I think is the biggest mistake you can make. My parents weren't my friends, right? And by the way, the parents who are trying to be the kid's friend, like it never, it always backfires later on. It always backfires, but yet it's the easy, lazy thing to do. Also, a lot of times, parents are also addicted to their phones. They're also not doing this stuff. So kids learn by watching way more than listening. So you need to be a role model for your child. If you want your kid to act better, you need to be better. If you want your kid to be active, you need to be active. The best thing for your child, I think is when you are role-playing, so then they mimic you. As you said earlier, I'm like very into like fitness and activity. My kids see me working out all the time, exercising all the time, walking all the time. So what do they do? They come to the gym with me. They try to like, they come downstairs. They try to do their little pushups. They try to little sit-ups. Fitness to me, and why I said this earlier, fitness to me is a microcosm for the rest of the world and rest of for life because it teaches you fundamental life skills that are foundational and mandatory for success. It teaches you patience. It teaches you discipline. It teaches you how to build your own self-esteem and confidence. It gets you physically strong, helps you with mental strength. These are the things that I feel are major components to building mentally strong adults. So you have to role-play and model these things for your children. And everything you're talking about here, which I am agreeing with, by the way, is the antithesis of this cuddle culture. I've heard you say this word. I've said it too, this cuddle culture. And I will even go so far as to say, I think that recently this mentality of kindness, the last few years, hear me out, kindness has been radicalized to the point where we are trying to teach children, be kind, be inclusive, be kind, be inclusive at the cost of bettering yourself or allowing yourself to be challenged and making yourself try to be disciplined with certain things. You know, Hunt, I could not agree with you more. The reality is we've now allowed, we should also recognize cuddle culture should be changed now to challenge culture because challenge culture is what basically causes success later on. If you don't have a challenge in your life, that is the worst thing that could have happened to you. You know, I would go into MIT and Harvard and talk about this idea and concept of being bold and asking for what you want. That was like really kind of like the beginning of my evolution into what we're talking about right now and how failure is what builds success and how that's how you really become resilient. And the worst thing that could have happened to any of these people who were born brilliant was that if they failed, they were done for for the rest of their lives and they weren't able to like build the skill of resourcefulness, of resilience, of grit because if everything comes easy all the time, you don't learn how to like work for anything, right? And what's happened now also is instead of people being winners and losers, because by the way, that's real life. In life, you have winners and you have losers. Not everybody's gonna be a winner. Not everyone's gonna be a loser. But if you work hard enough and you put in the time and the effort and all those things, your chances of being a winner become 10X or 100X, right? Now it's about participation trophies. It's about feeling every emotion. It's about a trigger warning. It's about safe spaces. This language, this whole ideology has broken our system where now everybody is frail. There's snowflakes. They're unable to actually cope, actually cope in real life. There's zero coping mechanisms. There's zero coping skills. There's been studies that show now these Gen Z kids are now bringing their parents to job interviews. Yes. To job interviews because God forbid they go on their own. Like how absurd is this? Well, it's terrifying to me because I now at middle age, think of things that I didn't think of 10, 20 years ago. Now I think of my gosh, what is going to happen to the future of our country? The onus is on the parent to take control of their child if they truly want their child to succeed down the road. Because what I've seen in the social circle that I look at is nothing short of scary and also quite frankly, pathetic where these kids are so unable to cope with the smallest, smallest thing. They're unable to deal, like their parents who are stepping in when their kids are having a disagreement or when the kid is, a math problem is too difficult. They get 77 tutors to help them. Like this is what's happening. I know, I know, I see it too. Or the kid's unhappy. They run to the first therapist. The amount of time and money and effort and all these outside resources to help the mental health of their child because the kid didn't like the way someone spoke to them. Like there's zero toughness being taught, which is I believe just like, it's like it is the beginning of the end. So I see it all the time and I just don't partake in it. And what I try to do is use those examples for my children, good or bad. Do you believe in shaming? Controversial question. Do you believe in shaming others to get your kids to understand what's right and wrong? What I would, I don't know if the word shaming, I will point out things that I don't think are good behavior that maybe other people would think are, is okay behavior. If that makes any sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Like I will say something and like I get kicked all the time under the table by my husband when someone is getting a participation trophy when they don't deserve it. And I will say something like, they don't deserve that. Why are they getting that? Like, why would that, why are they giving a trophy when that kid did nothing to earn that trophy? And he's not good or she's not good. And unfortunately my kids around. I think what it does is maybe it's not politically correct, but I want my kids to know that like, you know, like not everybody is gonna be, you're not gonna be fantastic at everything. You know, like, and that's okay. You don't have to win at everything to be a winner. But I will say one thing, quitting makes you a quitter, but if you don't win, it doesn't make you not a winner. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. And what you can do is the best you can do. And sometimes you don't win. And guess what, sometimes that person wins. I just, what came back from my kids, my little one's a dance, a competitive dancer, right? Same. Really? We'll talk later. Oh, that's hilarious. That's a whole other thing. It's a whole other thing. I had to be, so all weekend, I was at the dance competition in Anaheim with my daughter. I was there too. You were? I was there too. Oh my God, this is hilarious. Okay, and what I find so funny is everyone's cheering everyone on, which is very, in her dance group, which I love that. They're trying to promote kindness. But at the same time, when those girls are going on for their solos, they wanna win, right? They wanna get a medal. They wanna score well. Great. The reality is though, not everybody should be getting a gold. Some people get gold, some get bronze, and some people get nothing. And that's just the way the cookie crumbles. So I show my daughter, you see that? Not everyone's gonna be Baryshnikov. Not everyone's gonna be Michael Jordan. You can do your best, and that gives you a better shot at success. But even so, that doesn't mean you're gonna win. You need to teach your children this at a young age. Why shield them for what actual life and reality really is? I call it telling the truth. Whenever my kids get on me about, mom, you're so mean, or you can't say that, I say, no, what we're doing is we're telling the truth. And I really try and use that word because that's what it is. You're 100% right. And we have abandoned being able to see the truth, recognize the truth, tell the truth, so that we can work towards being better, whether that's for ourselves or community or whatever. You know, spewing things because it sounds PC doesn't make it true. And it doesn't make it accurate. It just makes you like maybe more PC in a very specific crowd. Yeah. What is your advice for parents who are swept up in this? It's so hard to say no. Your one sentence to-do tip for getting over that. Get over it. That's my tip. Get over it. It's not, your job as a parent is not to be liked. Your job as a parent is to raise a kid who is mentally strong, who is resilient and can take care and fend for themselves later on. Let their friends be their friends. Your job is to be a parent. Is it worth having arguments with your kids to get them to go outside? Listen, I argue with my kids to get them to go outside all the time. It's not, it's kind of like par for the course. I just now work that into my day. I say, I'm gonna have a 45 minute back and forth about why they should be going outside. It's part of the vernacular. Oh, mom, I was outside for 15 minutes. I was jumping on the trampoline. Can I come back in? No. That's exactly what happens. No, you cannot come in. Go play basketball. Go on a bike ride around the block. Go, I don't know, go spit and catch. Literally, like this is what I say. This is not an option. This is not a negotiation. Not everything in life has to be a negotiation with your child. You're the adult. What's happening is the children are running the roost now. The children are in charge, and the parents are now, what do you call that thing in the asylum? The inmates are running the asylum. God bless our kids, but they're not equipped to raise themselves. No, the inmates are literally running the asylum. How many times, the children are now picking the restaurants that you go to. The children are picking the programs that you watch at night. The children are picking what you're eating. When I was a kid, my mother put my food in front of me, and I just ate whatever. I never argued. My mom told me to do something. I just did it. It wasn't a back and forth negotiation. I wasn't a litigator at the age of 10. It was like I just did what I was told. And by the way, kids need to have that structure. I don't know how things have shifted so much where now the children are the parents, and they're running the household. And the parents are like these little nothings who are acquiescing to a 10-year-old. I have a theory. It's the theory of, I call it again, radicalized kindness and this system of inclusion where everyone has to have an opinion, and everyone's opinion is valid. And I have had a very difficult time tolerating that because I didn't grow up that way either. I think parents have become weak and scared of their children. I have a friend, and I will call her out because I call her out all the time in person because to be honest with you, I don't even like when they come over to my house anymore. And I've told her this because I don't like my children looking at this behavior. She'll come over, and her kid doesn't wanna eat what's being served. So she goes on Postmates, and she's like, okay, what do you want? Can I get you a steak? No, no, okay. So she ends up ordering five different things to be sent to my house for her kid. The kid poo-poos everything, and then she goes back and tries to order more food. And this is the pattern that's happened in her household. Her kid has also terribly behaved, has barely any friends, who is a nightmare to be around. And she wonders why. And we have this conversation back and forth. And the truth of the matter is she can give me every excuse in the book why her kid is like that. Oh, my kid is on the spectrum. My kid has this problem. My kid is this. Her kid is not on the spectrum. The kid has been spoiled rotten since she was one years old. The world has revolved around her. You've bent over backwards to like give her everything that she wants at your demise. And now you raised a 13-year-old, almost 13-year-old girl who is literally a spoiled bratty nightmare to be around. And quite frankly, I don't want her in my house. And I can't blame her. I blame you. I blame the mom. And now it's become like, it's become such a vicious cycle that you can't even break it. And so I don't want that in my, if you want, and I say to the kid all the time, this is what we're having. If you don't like it, don't eat. That's what I say. Don't eat. Yeah, if you don't like it. And also she brings the phone to the table. I'm like, we don't use phones at the table. She starts to cry. I'm like, sorry, if you don't like it, don't come over, period. Okay, so the takeaways we have here, because I want to give some of our viewers and listeners something. If you are stuck in this situation, oh my gosh, my kid is not resilient. They cannot cope with anything. I would say, what I'm hearing from you, the first few things to start with is. Okay, want me to tell you? Go, yes. Like a one, two, three. Give your children chores. Yes. Number two, make things non-negotiable. Number three, eat dinner with your children, minimum three times a week, because that's where you're going to learn what's happening in your child's psyche. It's where they build social interactions and social skills. You can try to like teach your kids valuable lessons. I think that's something that we've lost a lot of as well. Make your kids participate in team sports. So they learn accountability. They learn discipline. That's another big one. Also, make your kids stay outside. Yes, I do. Like make your kids stay outside. That is one thing. I make my kids pick up the fallen fruit in the backyard. But it's gross. Doesn't matter. Pick it up. You know what I make my kids do? I make my little boy wash my car and knock on at least five doors every weekend to see if they can wash or he can wash their car. Oh yeah, you're mean mom. Mean mom, Jen Cohen. Mean mom. I love it so very much. One last question. At what point will you know, or maybe you already do, that your kids have grit? Well, I can tell you right now, my kids are learning grit. I think that, I think my little one has a lot of grit. But let me just say this. I'm not a perfect parent at all. I think you will see it when, if your kid becomes a little bit more competitive with themselves, have higher standards for themselves, starts to get off the couch a little more, stops being on social media a little more. I think as a parent, you know. If you see your kid not going outside, not participating with their friends, not, or making friends. I think that's the first thing. If their kids are not making friends, or if they're not having any set goals for themselves, they're not like studying for themselves, these are obvious signs. I'm not a doctor, I don't even play one on TV. I just think that, how you know is, if you are someone who's paying attention, participate, don't put your head in the sand. Be involved, teach your kids by actually showing them. That is, like I said, these are all the things that I try to do. I'm not perfect, like I said, but these are the things that I think, I've seen work, I've heard from experts all over the world, that these are the things that work. And that's basically all. Well, it sounds like common sense. Common sense is what? Let me tell you, common sense is not so common. That's what I've learned. I know, I know. And that's something that we're really trying to reignite with what we're doing here. And that's why I just, you know, every time I kept seeing you coming up in my Instagram feed, I was just so comforted because you had this sense of common sense that is not common. That we're really trying to get parents and families to return to the basics of do your chores, get outside, do the common things that so many great men and women of the past did to build their lives and to build this country. I think you gotta create competence in your children. That, to me, is a word that's been lost. If you create competence, you will create confidence, which will then help them become successful later on. I love it. God bless you. Thank you so much. Okay, everybody, if you have not, if you're still, if you're not, if you're fired up and you're excited like I am and you haven't followed Jen Cohen yet, the real Jen Cohen on Instagram. Yeah. Follow her. Watch the TED Talk. Amazing. And they can send you questions and all sorts of things, right? Absolutely. Yes, you're up for debate. You're up for debating. Anytime, you bring it on. I love it. Thank you so much. I'm gonna like high five, high five like we're in like junior high. Okay, for more conversations like this, visit us at PragerU.com slash parent alert. And for all the educational resources that you need to reinforce grit and resilience and the good values and the discipline and all the things that Jen and I talked about, we've got it for you free. PragerUKids.com, videos and books especially. I'll give you a look at this too, especially our new Trailblazers of America book series for boys. I'll show you more. Thank you for joining us. Bye-bye.