Day 667 - I Spray Foamed my Ceiling! Apartment Build | Part 6

PPO3 is supported by Timber King sawmills. For more information on my 1220 CRZ mill or one of many Foley hydraulic options, go to TimberKing.com. Well, just that fast, we're starting to move out of here. This temporary shelter, this temporary apartment move-in was a success, but now it is time to work on the ceiling. Unlike when we sprayed the walls, well, we actually have insulation on the walls now, so we're not going to be battling temperature as much to get started. We're not going to start today. I'm going to start in the morning, but these cans need to be above 68 degrees in order to get optimal performance out of them. 69.5, 69.4, 69. There we go. What about inside this box? 69. There you go. So all these cans are good between 68, 78 is the target. Easy peasy keeping it 69 degrees here in the apartment. So spraying won't be an issue. There's a few things that I need to do today to get prepared for tomorrow. We've already started moving stuff out. Like I said, we're probably going to do as much as we can on this side of the shop and tarp a little bit over there. And then once we get to going over there, move everything else that we left to this side and then do that side of the ceiling. There are a few things that I'm needing, but I'm going to skip. And one of those is nailer boards on this rim joist, this rim joist right up there. As it is right now, the ceiling material will go top to bottom in this orientation on the camera. So the end of the board or end of whatever we have is not, doesn't have anything nailed to right there. So I need to put a nailer board up there, but I think I'm going to wait to do that until right before I do the ceiling. That way I can just get maximum insulation coverage. And if I have to cut some off to get that board installed, I would much rather do that and be able to seal that gap right now than just put a board up there. And then that, that gap isn't sealed. Let me get a ladder and I'll show you the gap that I'm really talking about. Actually, I'm going to go outside and show you the gap. I don't know if it's showing up on camera, but I shoved a line of duct tape on top of that sill plate and below that rim joist, because there's a big gap. Those rim joists are installed crown up and I want to show you that gap. It'll be easier to do from the outside. This right here is an oopsie. This is a pad to connect these two walls to maintain square. When we were building all this, I mentioned in the past, we were chit-chatting too much and numbers got transposed. Anywho, this is a 2x4 OSB 2x4 to pad this out by three and a half inches. We went three and a half positive. We should have went negative or vice versa. Anyway, the OSB in the middle wasn't a continuous strip. We just patched in some pieces that we had. So we've got some holes that were filled when I sprayed the walls. So there's one right there. You can see a hole right there that foam is coming out of. And then also down here, there you go. You can see some foam that came out of the wall when we did the walls. Now that's exactly what I want to achieve up here at the top plate. So we've got a double top plate, the bottom one is covered by this OSB, double top plate, and then the rim joist. Well, you see if I move the camera up and down, there it is. You see that light right there? So that's light coming between the gap of the two 2x4 double top plate. I'd like to seal that up. And then of course, this big old monster gap right here, this is from when like I said, the rim joist is installed crown up. Well, that's a heck of a crown. And it goes quite a ways. So you can't see any light coming through the other side because of that piece of duct tape, like I said, that I have. And I don't know if it's going to be better to spray from the outside in or the inside out. I guess we'll find out tomorrow when I make that decision. But I got to seal that up. So I want to look for a good expansion of the foam coming out the whole length of here. And then also, there's some really fine point needles that come with the spray gun. So dialing back the foam pressure quite a bit. And I think I need to go through and at least spray this whole seam just a little bit to seal that off. And of course, all this will be wrapped in the same material and same thickness and then a railing going up. And then we'll do our probably board and batten on the side or whatever. So none of this will ever be seen. This pad will be eventually gone. And I got to seal that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can see daylight through there. OK. OK. Got to seal that up as well. All right. Quite a bit to do as far as getting this airtight. I say quite a bit to do to get it airtight. But actually, it's just use the spray foam as it's intended to be used. It's a closed cell. It'll seal off all these little nooks and cracks. Another thing about sealing cracks and all this. Right. So not all foam is created equally. Some of this stuff, I don't think this particular product, but some of this stuff will expand so much that it bends your door jam and window jam to where you have operation issues with the doors and windows. I did this one seam as kind of a test to see, all right, is this going to expand with so much pressure that it bends the door jam? And I don't think it did. Whoops. I don't think it did. So I think from this evidence, I think I am OK to go ahead and spray around both windows and the other doors. This one got any to spray around here? Maybe a little bit. I'll still. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel a little bit of a draft right there. OK. So we'll seal around this as well. And then the window for sure. This window to my left is already masked off, but this one is not. And yeah, we've got quite a bit of a gap to seal off in here. So get some in there. I can see daylight right there. So that'll help. Although I don't feel the draft. So that's good. Yeah. A little bit of touch up around the window. And then this one got to seal this as well. And of course, the meat and potatoes of everything we got to get done with this phase and that is spraying the ceiling. I don't know how much it's going to cover me and my PPE if it's going to stick really well. This is all new to me, like I said the last time. So that's going to be interesting. These lights are not completely attached to the joists. I mean, they're hanging there, but they're they're actually hanging. They're not screwed all the way out of the joists. And I did that because I don't know the exact position of where they're going to be with what we put up on the ceiling for a ceiling material. But also because I wanted that little gap so I can shove some bags on top of it. So that way I don't cover the light in this wonderfully blue spray foam. Today is spray day and we're not battling temperatures anymore, just like the last round. I'm using this full stop spray foam from Beast USA. It's a closed cell hybrid foam and did quite well on the walls. But now we're be spraying vertically up above us in the ceiling. So another learning experience. As far as the crack that I mentioned yesterday that I need to seal up, I found that these guns come with some straws and different nozzles. And this straw will clip right onto the front of the gun so I don't have to use one of the tips that come with the guns, or with the cans rather. But just to get a little bit extra length I think I'm going to put this on there first and then this. There's all kinds of different little attachments that I didn't notice when I did the walls. And that's what that looks like. That'll allow me to use my offhand to push this right in the crack where I want it and be a little bit more precise when spraying. So I'll do that probably last actually. I'm not going to start with that. We're using the black tip for the ceiling. The black tip is for ceiling and the blue is for the walls. Something I didn't mention when I did the walls is cleaner. The kits come with actual gun cleaner and I used this to clean out the first gun that I used but I didn't say anything about it. So it's got a little push button nozzle on the top where you can pop that off and then you have the same threads right here as you do on the foam cans. And that threads into the gun right here so you can clean out the inside of the gun as well. All right on this wall over here I didn't really put a camera on that gap. I want to document. Yeah you see that gap right there. That white is the insulation. The light hitting the insulation outside the apartment. That black right there that's actually orange. That's a wire and this side as well. All right all of that will be completely sealed up today. I'm looking forward to that for sure. The main part of the ceiling is done and now I want to seal this this seam right here. In the bathroom I went ahead and sprayed right over the top of that sill plate. I'm sorry that the top plate. I sprayed right over the top plate as well as the rim joist and that verifies or that makes sure that any crack or whatever or gap is filled with foam. Now yes I will need to access or will have to have access to that top plate to put my side my interior paneling on but I'll trim that off later. I really want to make sure that that air gap is completely sealed off. I did that just spraying with a normal nozzle and made quite a bit of mess in the bathroom. So here I'm switching over to one of these straws and I'm going to try and do my do my do some magic and try and make it not as messy. Once again it's been a few days since I completed the spray foam and I wanted to get it back into the space and get a feel for how everything's working out before I shoot the outro to this video. So we've completely moved back in for the final time. Our camper days are done. Now of course you got a lot to do inside still and things are still all over the place and trying to find organizational solutions and you know all that will come in time. But the spray foam on the ceiling how did that go? Well I've got a list of some notes to talk about. First on the list is use jumpsuit as a rag. I called it a jumpsuit. Use the coveralls. The kit comes with coveralls to protect your clothing. It's there to protect your clothing and they're more durable than I thought they would be. So if you have some some goo on the end of the nozzle don't use your gloves. I did that once. Don't do that. Don't use your gloves to clean the end of the nozzle because then your gloves are sticking. What do you have to do? You have to touch the gun. You have to touch this. You have to touch that. You have to touch everything and it's just sticky. So if you have a little bit of residue on the end of the spray gun just use your shoulder or your elbow or something. Keep your gloves clean. Each one of the cans comes with two nozzles inside the can lid right there. One's black one is blue. They are made differently. The blue ones are used to spray the walls and what they have is they have an even sided. How do you say this? The slot on the nozzle is symmetrical. That way you get an actual fan. The slot on the black nozzle is not symmetrical. It's lopsided to one side. That way you get a spray that comes out of the gun and then shoots off to the side. You might think why do you want to shoot it off to the side? Well it's actually not to the side. You put it in vertical orientation that way the the material comes out of the gun and then shoots up without you having to point up which leads me to the next thing on my list. I'm gonna have to look at the list for this one is all aerosol cans like spray paint you know basically all cans most all cans depending on how they're designed on the inside. They spray most effectively when the can is vertical right? Spray paint. Have you ever tried to spray paint use spray paint upside down? That's typically how you clean out the nozzle because nothing actually comes out of it. Well these cans are designed to be sprayed in a vertical upside down orientation and if it's like this you get the maximum amount of material exiting the can. However when you're spraying a ceiling the can is going to be like this quite a bit meaning when you get to the end of the can there's still a few percent I don't even know what to say maybe one or two percent of the can. I have no idea how much or you can even measure it but it'll quit spraying at about this orientation and if you put it back vertical you'll get a little bit more not a whole lot but you'll get a little bit more out of the can so my recommendation is if you have some ceilings to do as well as walls do the ceilings first because once you get to the point where this isn't spraying but then you have just a little bit hey you paid for you want to use it right just a little bit left then switch over to one of the walls and completely empty the can that little itty bitty amount before you toss the can. I have four of these utility lights up there in the ceiling you see them I forgot to mask them off I said in the beginning that I was going to mask them off or I was going to put a piece of plastic or a bag over the top of them I completely forgot to do that I got one one area above it completely done and I'm like ah crap but you see all that blue overspray that's on top of them yeah I don't either they're 10 feet up in the air I didn't I didn't tape off the tops no one's ever going to all that overspray up there but there is a lot of overspray on the top of those lights so it doesn't matter for me no doesn't stick well to vinyl windows that could be a pro or a con depending on you and your situation but let me show you I sprayed the gap all the way around this window and it expanded quite a bit look it doesn't stick to the vinyl so I thought after I saw this expand I was like oh no that's going to be miserable to get off that vinyl window but no it didn't stick to it at all like not one little bit so all of this extra squeeze out or expansion right here that I thought I was going to be fighting with and oh man that was going to be miserable it doesn't wait a minute wait a minute okay it flakes off very very easily with the fingernail okay so it mostly doesn't stick to vinyl mostly but it cleans up very easily yeah it's all completely coming off all right so keep that in mind it mostly doesn't stick to vinyl well these vinyl windows I don't know what kind of vinyl you might have same thing here at the other window uh good good expansion all the way around sealing off a little bit too much expansion sometimes uh but that's okay and it expands taking the path of least resistance so it's going to seal cracks as it is intended to do and it's not going to bend anything to where you don't have movement or you restricts movement with the window casings and whatnot you be careful with some foams out there because some foams and I've experienced this unfortunately in the past if you want to seal around a window or a door some foams can expand so much that it bends the case in from the sides and restricts the movement makes it harder to open a window and all that good stuff so this seems to take the path of least resistance I really like having my front yard be my shop if you know what I'm saying what you doing there Gracie you're so confused huh you're so confused Gracie and Mr. Mouth he's just chilling the straw allows a lot of material to come out so with each one of the guns is a few of these straws and extra nozzles and there's a couple other tips you can play around with but I used this straw with this little nozzle extension thingy me jig whatever you want to call it so that way I could spray and bend this and I actually bent like a huge kink in it right if you're bent a straw right it's like folded flat I bent this with a full kink so I could get into the exact location that I want and it still sprayed just fine however that opening right there you see that right there you see it that is much larger in diameter than a nozzle so if it's much larger in diameter that means a lot of material has the potential to come out very quickly and I learned that I learned that on the first little bit right up there let's go in for a closer look this was all done with the sealing nozzle and like I said I sprayed the top plate as well as the gap between the rim joist and the top plate just so that if there is any gap which in between the two pieces of the top plate there are a little bit of surface variance that has just a little bit of space there anyway it's all covered up by the foam I will shave that off like I said and use all that extra material that I pull off I'll probably shove it in the ceiling or I'll shove it back in one of these cavities when I do the the walls and whatnot but right about here I switched over to this straw and holy cow look at all of the uh expansion there that's look at that ah it got me again this stuff does expand quite a bit I knew it expanded quite a bit uh from the first video the first when I did the walls but I didn't realize that with this opening I'm spraying a tremendous amount more volume into one spot very very quickly when I did the walls there was a definite good way to do it and bad way to do it as far as technique I figured out that having a vertical fan traveling in a left and right pattern as you go through each one of wall cavities in my my experience was definitely the way to go when it came to the ceiling I didn't find one way was better than the other the biggest thing with the ceiling is you're fighting gravity right so you don't want to have a lot of can pressure blowing the material right off the ceiling right when it sticks to it so I found the best thing for the ceiling no matter what pattern you are using is to dial the gun all the way down so you barely get any flow and then back it out just a little bit so you get just enough flow in my case that was one and a half turns from fully closed and that you know gets the material out of the gun but it doesn't it doesn't come out so fast that it sprays off what you just put on when I recorded the wall video I failed with this little guy right here this is an infrared thermometer and I failed twice with it first I said in the beginning of the video I took some measurements all the way around this apartment and now that I think about it those measurements were somewhat pointless I was trying to get some temperature readings before and after I did the wall insulation however the heaters were in the middle of the apartment and basically every measurement that I took around this apartment was a an approximately the same distance radius away from the center of the apartment where the heaters were at so yeah if if the temperatures is going to be colder all the way around because they're further away from the heaters but you're not going to see any variance so if the heaters were on one side of the apartment and then I was over here shooting the wall or you know getting this temperature and then got the temperature on the halfway point of the side walls that would kind of sort of make sense but the way I was doing it didn't make sense at all so I'm going to reuse this today but what I want to convey is how even the temperature is in here now that we have the walls done now that we have the ceiling done it's a very even temperature in here for example my corner over there is furthest away from one of the heaters over by the toilet that's the that's the long diagonal on the apartment here and in that corner on the other side of the toilet is one of the 1500 watt heaters and the other heater is on the other side of my daughter's bed so both heaters are on that side of the apartment and we're going to see some pretty even temperatures all the way around even on this side over here now speaking of the heaters are we burning through all kinds of electricity to heat this space no and I'm smiling about that because this is a pretty energy efficient space I have both of those heaters are 1500 watt oil radiant heaters and they have three different settings 500 watt 1000 watt 1500 watt plus a thermostat with each one of those so we have these set to 70 degrees on the thermostat and then the full range of power it doesn't I don't really care just stay on whatever you need to be on to keep the temperature at 70 degrees which is a little bit warm for me but I don't make that decision pick your battles right so the coldest day we've had is not today it was a couple days ago and these heaters I kept looking at them throughout the day and they were only hitting the 500 watt range both of them were cycling on and off with the thermostat but they were only needing 500 watts each that is a massive massive improvement from both of them running wide open at 1500 watts just to get the center of the space warm enough for the cans to be 68 degrees if you know what I'm saying right so let's uh I'm gonna flip you around and we'll shoot this out of the wall and see how even it is all the way around this center mass of two by fours is pretty much the center actually technically speaking let's move over one this is pretty much the center of the apartment so let's get a baseline reading for the 70.5 70.4 70.5 70.4 what is it 70 and a half we'll say back wall 70.4 3 2 1 69.8 69.8 69.7 okay this wall over here 69.9 69.7 69.8 okay this wall over here 69.69.9 sure 69.9 sure 70.0 these are very 69.8 very even temperatures this back wall over here now it's closer to the heater 70.4 70.5 this back wall over here 70.5 again close to a heater 70.2 and back over here 70.3 point 2.1 69 not much difference at all within basically one degree from the perimeter walls to the center of this space that's not bad especially considering that both heaters in this space are essentially in the corner at least in one quadrant of this particular space they're way off over there and you don't feel a cold spot in the opposite diagonal that's pretty darn cool speaking of pretty darn cool thank you beast usa for hooking me up and supporting this part of the build if you're interested in more of this full stop closed cell hybrid diy spray foam that's a big mouthful then you can check the link in the description it's affiliate link your price doesn't change but i get a little bit of kickback if you do use that link anyway you can check this out if you're interested in this so what's next for this particular space well as you can tell it's not quite done there's a wall that's just studded up right there two walls that are studded up right there so next up i've got to get some osb on these interior walls to kind of divide the space a little bit further give us some more privacy i've got to get some type of temporary door system set up so that the bathroom has more privacy obviously then i've got to do the flooring install the tub once the flooring and tub are done then i can work on the perimeter walls in well yeah the walls here on the inside putting up whatever i need to put up for whatever we decide to put up for the interior siding then after the interior siding is installed then i can actually hang the doors on the bathroom so lots to do uh be sure to subscribe if you're not already subscribed and check in on the next video and this train is going to keep going on and on and on and on until this apartment's done it's kind of a slow moving train but it is what it is you guys take care have a great day and i will talk to you in the next video