From Al-Qaeda to Hamas: Jesse Petrilla on Defeating Islamist Extremism

If I'm a constitutionalist and if I'm someone who believes in freedom of religion, why are so many conservatives or detractors bothered by a city like a Dearbornne, Michigan, what is something that perhaps we're missing that you seem to be talking about in your book? >> Well, I think it's again it goes back to the long-term game. I mean, we're like frogs being boiled in a pot. The way the jihadists operate, they only carve the world into two sections. They they call it Darl Harb, which is the land of war, and Darl Islam, which is the land that's already under Sharia law. So, we're obviously not under Sharia law yet, and I'll I'll continue to fight against that. I'll always be free or I'll be dead. That's the way I look at things. Uh and so, the uh the the So, we're part of the land of war that is yet to be conquered. And so, the way they work, it's very generational. They they even I've got a quote in the book from from Gaddafi uh where he he said you know we're going to conquer Europe one day without bullets without swords we're going to out breed them is what he said these are his words and and there's several other quotes from other other leaders in the Islamic world as well. There's a reason why the so many Islamic nations in the the Middle East are not accepting refugees. They're pushing them into the West deliberately because it's part of this long-term plan. And unfortunately, Americans only think maybe two to four years in the future, which is our reelection cycle. I mean, there's not a whole lot of us thinking long term, but our Giatists are. They're fighting this thousand-year war. So, I'd like everyone take a second, picture your hometown right now as it looks in 2025 and then now picture it a thousand years from now. Has anybody have you ever done that? I mean, nobody does that. Nobody thinks about that. And we've got two possible futures. Star Trek or Stone Age. And I'm a big Treker. I love Star Trek. And I I don't want it to look like the Stone Age. But unfortunately, our enemies have that vision that we don't have. And they want they want to turn us into this stone age society under an Islamic caliphate and and we've got to stand up to it otherwise it's it's we're going to be conquered before we know it. There's one thing I'll add to that that I did hear in Afghanistan a lot that was a very telling phrase that's very common among the mujahedin there where they would say you have the watches but we have the time. M one of the things that I found really fascinating in your book and again if it takes a thousand years definitely encourage my my listeners to get a copy was the depiction of young Muslim men who are actually born in Western European countries Germany the UK France and unlike their parents they are first generation of their host countries yet nevertheless they're actually more radical than their parents who were born in Syria Afghanistan Yemen and elsewhere so I guess I'm curious number one how do you actually measure radicalism and then number two how is this possible that we have young Europeans who were born into these countries yet nevertheless hold more terrorist sympathies than their actual parents. >> Well, it comes down to two things. Europe doesn't have the 14th amendment. I think the 14th amendment needs to pre be protected at all cost and that's birthright citizenship. Uh when somebody's born an American, they're an American. They're not looked at as any different than anyone else. And if you're walking down the street, nobody's going to look at somebody and be like, "Oh, he's part of another tribe." Ah, I mean it's it's very different in the rest of the world. Unfortunately, in French society, in German society, in many societies in Europe, they really carve themselves along these ethnic lines. And unfortunately, people on the left right now, if you see that, they're really pushing the same thing. They're trying to focus on ethnicity. They're trying to get away from this melting pot that we have that we're so blessed to have in America. And I I talk about this in depth in my book in the latter third of it where uh we need to enact policies that promote assimilation and and the way to do that is is I mean you can go across the board with things whether it's printing official documents in English whether it's it's promoting English as the language of the land. I mean there's different things that we can go through to help people assimilate and and two it's education. uh the the the biggest problem with growing fundamentalists. These are the factories. These are the terrorist factories are the madrasas. The Islamic schools have have managed to permeate much of the world particularly in the Middle East but but also in Europe. I mean there's the a lot of peninsula money a lot of from the Arabian Peninsula comes into spreads throughout the world into these Islamic schools. out of the the 400 plus interrogations that I've participated in of captured al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hakani, terrorists, uh I I didn't find a single one of them that did not go through one of these Islamic schools. In fact, Taliban is actually the PTO language word for students. Talib singular is student, Taliban students.