Dating Expert: Why Modern Men are Abandoning the West—Escape Now?

I would say first of all, as a guy, don't give up just because somebody told you you're a creep for gifting flowers. It doesn't mean that you're a creep, right? Don't take it personally. Know that you did the right thing and maybe that girl's just not for you. You know, if maybe you need to be very clear on what your values are. Welcome back to this week's Catamania. Not even just a relationship. Like I mentioned, I think, hello, my dear listeners. And if you want him to commit, right? You trust everybody. She really knows what she's talking about. I look at citizenships, countries. From Nomad Capitalist Live, our sold out four day event. We have 800 plus global citizens here joining Christina Katamani and I. She's talking about relationships, East versus West. We're talking about all things Nomad Capitalist. Make sure you join us at the next Nomad Capitalist Live. Christina, welcome. I feel like sometimes being a guy is a little bit tougher in that regard. And we're going to talk about that in terms of there really is a war where you're living and where I left. Like men versus women. And I go online and just so much hatred. But I will say here's the discussion I was having with someone not that long ago where I don't know what we were talking about. You know what we were talking about? The Brazil butt lift. And someone's like. It's a very interesting topic for a conversation. I would not have expected you to have a conversation about a Brazilian butt lift. And this woman said, why does a guy need an ass? She's like, why would a guy do that? Like guys don't need it. I don't know. You think like in a suit, you need a little shape. Yeah, I agree. This is Christina Catamar, like you've never seen her before. Guys actually get Brazilian butt lifts. Is that a thing? Wasn't there that big thing on Instagram where like the guys on his yacht running with like the craziest BBL? I would really love to know your algorithm and what videos you have pop up. That is what's showing up, because that is not my feed. I have Winnie the Pooh. I have now we have because we have the pageant winners. We have Miss Indonesia coming to the event. And then we have like Miss Armenia for a Live Like a King video. So now I have like all the pageant. I know all the pageant gossip, like, you know, Miss D.R., she's in the lead. And then I have like and I have the kind of stuff that you're either maybe in league with or pushing back on. I have like the male female wars of like just like get her a glass of water. And then she's like, listen, private jets are the bare minimum. Like there's someone out there buying the private jets. Don't settle for less. And I'm kind of you don't see any of this. I see the private jet thing, because I always joke with my husband that unless he gets me a private jet, I'm still with him. And I haven't gotten the private jet. So obviously it's a joke. But I would like to have a private jet. Would you? You want to own the jet? You want to lease the jet? I don't care how I get it. I just want a private jet. I just want the private jet. You know what I mean? Right. My husband says we need to make, you know, a smart financial decision and maybe have a private jet business, which is a smarter decision because then you're because owning a private jet is a lot of money. I don't like mixing it, though. I think when you start to mix it, you start to mix the private jet like like people say, oh, I want to own all these houses around the world. That's kind of the thing I talk about. Yeah. Like, oh, well, maybe I'll rent them out when I'm back. Like once you start like, oh, it's an Airbnb business, but you also live there. Right. It's like, you know, poopooing where you eat. Let it be one or let it be the other. I think you I think I told you once before when you were on my podcast that I feel like you're Eastern European because that's a very Eastern European way to look at things like you don't in your house, in your apartment, you don't share it with anybody else in terms of like renting it out to people. I mean, I have a Canadian friend with like one hundred million dollars. He's like, listen, why don't you install it? I'm like, I got this problem. I don't want someone to touch my wardrobe. He's like, get an owner's closet, put a lock. No one's going to break in. Really? Yeah. There's just something about people like. And the thing is, I personally, when I'm in an Airbnb, I try to leave it better than I found it. That's just how I was raised to rent it out to. Yeah. But most people don't. Not to toot my own horn. I'm not trying to be. There's lots of people who are like me, but a lot of people don't think that way. They think, well, it's not mine. So who cares? You know, I'll just say, yeah, I kind of agree with you on that. But this is OK. Let's let's talk about this, because I've seen you. And, you know, I'm sure there's some things we disagree about. I'm a guy. Some things I'm standing up for the guys. And yet I do see a lot of weakness. I see like you said, chivalry is dead. I think I've been such a bubble for my entire adult life, building a business, doing my own thing, that even like when I would, you know, back in the day, I would walk with a woman and I would always make sure to reposition myself next to the street. So many women, like, what are you doing? And I'm like, even this was even sick. I'd probably gotten worse. Were they Western women? Not to. Darling, what do you think you're dealing with here? I think it's I think it's becoming transcendent. A little bit. Yes. I'm even noticing like I spent last month and a half in Moldova and some of my single friends are telling me stories that I'm just like, what? No, that can't be real. You know, it's very interesting how that culture is moving like across the places where I thought were untouchable. You know, I thought Eastern Europe was untouchable for that kind of still. It's still good. It's still really good. If you want a traditional wife, for example, it's definitely a great place to go to because most women there still value very traditional values. But it is interesting to me how a lot of those things, the weakness part of it is kind of just kind of contagious. I'm going to touch on that because I think you've got a unique perspective. Let's talk just for the guys watching who who see it and they kind of see what I'm seeing, like, you know, if he doesn't have a private jet, you can do better. What's your I thought is there's like 50 people who have that lifestyle and a bunch of people who pretend they have that lifestyle, but it still kind of seeps into the culture like that's what everybody has. Somebody told me that they were some woman was like, oh, like, you know, so everyone's flying in business class, like not everyone's flying in business class, like most of the plane is not business class. Yeah. Where do you think that that came from? I think social media. Sure. A lot of people, you know, flexing sometimes the things they don't even have. Right. Fake private jets. Yeah. Like I've heard stories about fake private jets or rooms that are set up to be like private jets for influencers just to go and take pictures there. I don't know if it's true. I've never done it myself. But, you know, you look and I used to have that now. I'm like, this is just, you know, social media, social media. And for me, it's work. So I look at it a little bit differently. But if you go online and all you see is, you know, flowers constant, which flowers, by the way, is is a must, in my opinion. But you see this level of maybe a relationship that you're looking at and you're like, oh, I don't have that. How come I don't have that? And then it just spreads and you get this kind of like a jealousy or a FOMO type of situation. Right. So social media has a lot to do with it. And a lot of people telling you, people that you look up to telling you online, well, if he doesn't have a private jet, he's not the one. And that's a little bit of an extreme. Yeah. But when I'm hearing guys being like, oh, she kind of like like yelled at me, like, oh, what do you think? Like flying me around in business class is so impressive. It's like I can see why guys get a little bit like, you know, like maybe you would do it anyway. Right. But it's like, you know, there's one thing to, you know, want those things and encourage somebody to go for them. You know, my husband and I, when we met, we both didn't really have much, but we both want a certain level of lifestyle and certain certain types of things in our life. So we're working towards them. So encouraging each other to do it is one thing. That's a relationship. That's a relationship. I do kind of think that there's people out there who really think like every woman's flying around in private jets and they're not. Now, am I wrong? Of course, there's a lot more people think that like that's happening more frequently, probably. And again, that's probably because of what you see on social media. Yeah, because nobody's show, nobody's going to take a picture in economy class with a glass of champagne. Not every economy class will give a glass of champagne to begin with. And also it's not a flex if you're flying an economy. You know what I mean? Do you see the Ryanair social? I don't know why I saw Ryanair's thing, but they have they're showing like they always like make fun of their own customers or their own social media. And they're like they have these people like flexing in front of the Ryanair plane. It's not as interesting. Right. But when you go online and you see let's say you follow three women who are very wealthy and they're always flying private. You're going to think everybody's flying private except for you or most people are flying private. I think this also as a guy, if I saw that and I saw the woman in the little fake private jet room that they have in the studio, I would be OK. I fly private occasionally, most around Europe. I wouldn't fly private from, you know, Europe to Kuala Lumpur for a number of reasons, but within Europe. But I might say, OK, she's used to that. So I'm going to feel like an extra sense of pressure, like, oh, if I want to talk to her, I better bring my A-game. I think it kind of like she's setting the stage, perhaps, is how I would see it. For like, this is what I'm even though I don't have this now. I'm going to fake it till you make it. Right. Would it motivate you to do more with that? In a negative way? In a dating sense. Don't you think they'd be kind of a negative? It's kind of like a manipulation. Right. Here's what I'm used to. And then you're like, holy cow, like she's not going to want to be with me unless I'm bringing all the, bringing the heat. Would that discourage you or would that? I'm happy to be out of this space. I know, me too. Let's talk about the other side, though. You had a sweatshirt, resuscitate chivalry. What does that mean? Exactly what it is. I don't think chivalry is fully dead, especially. And I know you might, you know, have your opinions in that regard. And I'm sure you and I can disagree on a couple of things. Which is a beautiful thing. We're meant to disagree with one another. But I think chivalry isn't totally dead, especially not in America. There are some certain places in the United States where there's still chivalry and there's still kind of that emphasis on traditional family values, on more traditional outlook on this whole situation. So I made like a couple of comedic videos a while ago, just kind of saying that as a slogan, like resuscitate chivalry. And I caught on and I was like, well, let's make a merch. We're going to merch. So I believe that it's up to us women to resuscitate chivalry, because the reason why it's kind of dying, especially in the Western world, is because of how we have been acting around men. We've been well, not me personally, but women have been spreading the message. Other women. We don't need no you. No, just kidding. The whole you don't need no man. And I can do it all on my own. And I think it came from that. You know, when I heard that, obviously, I'll tell you what. I feel like there's so many dating tropes. I don't need a man thing. Like there's a technical part of that. Like, right. You should not place your self-esteem in having a man. I think there's probably parts. I know, like in Russia, there's parts of Eastern Europe, maybe all, maybe much of Eastern Europe where it's like, that's the goal. Have a man. Doesn't care how, you know, don't matter. It doesn't matter how good the man is. Sure, you don't want the guy in the jet, but just get a man. Yeah. Or else you're nobody. Like that's obviously nonsense. Of course. And in the same way for guys, you know, I've heard years ago here, like don't spend more than this much on a date. And it was said so nastily. But deep down, it's OK. There's something to be said for, especially in a Western culture, which is a bit more egalitarian now. The message was don't get taken advantage of. Right. And yet it was presented in a kind of one could argue misogynistic way. So I feel like there's there's so much negativity that people bring into things that at their core are not bad ideas. Of course. Be happy with yourself. Don't be taken advantage of. Yeah. And we live in a beautiful world. You know, you can if you don't align with the values of a country that you're in, you can go to a different place. You know this better. Right. So there's there's a lot. I agree with you. There's a lot of extremes on in these subjects. You know, the whole idea, like people tell me, oh, you're anti-feminist. How dare you? We fought so hard. And I'm like, I am not anti-feminist. I am very pro that first wave that we had. Right. That allows me to sit in this chair and talk to you. You know, that allows me to do the things that I do. Open businesses. You can come here and learn where to open your company, where to open a bank account at Nomad Capitalist. It's beautiful. I can be a CEO. I can even run for the prime minister of Canada if I wanted to. Can I ask what's a little cringe, though? Have you seen this guy asked me, what's my favorite position? I said CEO. Oh, well, that's kind of funny. If you have to call yourself. Now I had some girl tell me, like, oh, you know, I also I date a friend of mine. Oh, I've dated some founders. These guys who like the founder, it's a little bit cringe. It's a little bit cringe. I'm the CEO. As a real on social media, it's a little bit cringe. But also in what context was that question asked? Because if it was just like a dinner and he asked her, what's your favorite position? Things happen. Yeah. Really weird things happen. You know what happens when I learned in Eastern Europe is guys ask like directly, like on a first date. How many how many guys have you been with? Oh, like the whole body count thing. I never. So that was a more recent. That's more of a Western terminology. The West terminal gives everything a name. Yes. Everything's everything has to be labeled. Everything has to be, yes, a label. I'm kind of getting out of the label. But I feel like in Eastern Europe, the guys were doing that for a long time. And like, all right. For a while, I said two that I'd said three. Like, is that true? I don't think so. I never heard of that. I remember this is years and years ago. They'd be like, why haven't you asked me yet? Or they would volunteer. I didn't ask. I have to inquire about that. I don't I don't think I've heard that. Really? But I don't think it's an appropriate question. No, but the women would be like, oh, the guys, if you didn't ask, I'm just going to tell you now because I'm anticipating you will ask. Because I'm interesting. Very interesting. I don't know which part of Eastern Europe was that. I'd be curious about the Balkans. Huh. It's Balkan. So let's talk about that, though. I feel like Balkans are like a step ahead of certain things. But you think so on that one in certain things, even Yugoslavia, I feel like they were a step. They were communists, but they were like the right communist. You know, right. We're the good communists. We're like a step above. Enjoying ourselves. Yeah, we just did. We just recently published Live Like a King in Belgrade. Now, here's what I feel. We have all these guys. They're strong. Now, some of the girls, as I asked some of these guys, they have the veneer of strength, but they seem strong. They seem in control. Men are men. Women are women. They have typical male feel arguments. Who put the toilet seat down? She takes up too much of the wardrobe, that kind of thing. But there's still, to me, a sense of we get along. We can have relationships. Can you maybe define that better for me, coming from that part of the world, and how you contrast that with what's happening in the US or Canada now? I think that, and I've said this on numerous occasions in some of my pieces of content, it took me years of living in the West to understand that Slavic nations, Balkan nations, Eastern European, that whole part of the world, we have sort of figured out this whole equality of opportunity very well. Because there is equality of opportunity, at least from what I'm seeing. As a woman, you can do whatever you want. You can embark on whatever career journey you want to embark on. But there's still this understanding that, you know, if she gets pregnant or if something happens, you will default to your natural, traditional roles. And there's respect for that. There's this understanding that, hey, you can do whatever you want and we're free to achieve goals and do all these things. But we also need to appreciate and respect the traditional family roles. In the Western world, especially in Canada right now, there's almost like, well, if you think traditionally about a family unit, about dating and all those things, something is wrong. Like you have to, something is wrong. You're not thinking clearly. You need to rethink what you're... Or someone would say you're being taken advantage of because, right? Because you default to that. There's so many, I feel like there's so many opinions on this these days. Yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine just recently in Vancouver, and she was saying she has been in a relationship for a really long time. But she said, when I was dating, I would make a point to pay for at least part of the bill or like for the drinks that night so that the guy knows that nothing is going to happen later on. And I'm like, ew, like what? That makes zero sense to me. Paying for the bill has nothing to do with anything but a basic gesture of chivalry to me. That's it. That's all it is. And also like an underlying subconscious gesture that shows that, hey, if this carries on, if we continue, I will take care of you. I will be able to take care of you and take the lead. That's all it is. And that's, I suppose, rooted in kind of this old school nature of security provider, what have you. Yeah. Which I would argue, I would push back on anybody, including guys, who are like, oh, women want people with money. I'm sure there's plenty of women who'd like just any guy with money. I think there's even more women who say if you don't have any passion for what you do and you're just like a trust fund kid sailing around aimlessly on a yacht, that's not really attractive to a lot of people. Exactly. And what's more attractive is the actual effort of providing and hard work and that kind of very old school, worked for centuries sort of values. A hundred percent. I mean, look, even as I mentioned, when I met my husband, he didn't have his law degree. He went to law school while we were together. And it wasn't at all his financial position or where he lived or even his passport, you know, like all these things. None of that mattered. What mattered to me is that he was ambitious. And I knew that he's going to go for things. He's going to set goals. He's going to achieve them. That's I think that's what matters to most women. Yes, of course, there's a percentage of a population of women who just want, you know, a sugar daddy. But you're going to help me like deprogram my mind. I don't spend a lot of time on Instagram. You got to help me deprogram it. Here's one I got recently. It was at my age. I don't have time for basically for the ambition. Like I need that stuff already built. There's that too. I mean, I think if I met my husband now at this stage of my life and he was not particularly interested in building a stable foundation around himself, right? I would be alarmed. Like to me, that would be a bit of a how come if he wasn't? Oh, you're saying if he wasn't ready, if he wasn't. Yeah, to some extent, if he wasn't there to some extent. Exactly. Because I would think to myself, OK, you know, you're 37 years old. You don't know what you're doing with your life at all. And like we met when he was 27 and he had some, you know, he was working and stuff like that. So he wasn't doing anything, but he didn't really have a specific clear path that he was working towards in terms of his career. If he had that now, I'd probably be alarmed if I just met him. Is that a difference West versus East? Because here's a here's a story I've heard. And this is maybe somewhat international now. My so I know someone, they divorced their husband because he was kind of the go getter at first. And then it was like, OK, now I have a degree. I'm just going to like I'm kind of hanging out playing video games, waiting for something like once the structure of university went away. I'm hanging out playing video games. And why aren't you doing everything? And I remember thinking like when I was 16 or 17 and I stopped playing video games, I'm like, oh, OK, that's maturing. And then I looked around for year after year. Nothing wrong with playing video games as part of what you do. I don't want to like be judgmental on that. But if it's your ethos and you're not getting stuff done because you're playing video games eight hours a day. I again, maybe I've been in this bubble. I thought that was kind of like unmasculine. And it seems like that's kind of a growing thing in the West. No, this sort of there's the whole, you know, those memes. Do you have any memes on your feed page? Because if you don't, I'm definitely going to have to read the reprogram your Instagram. I have a lot of, as I said, I have cartoons and I've got a lot of things about princess treatment coming on. And I'm kind of thinking like, all right, OK, but it seems entitled. The princess treatment is what gets me the most out of this whole thing, I think. What do you think of the princess treatment? I'm a princess. I like princess treatment. Yeah, everybody wants to be treated like a princess. What? OK, define princess treatment. Flowers. Right. You know, I used to say gifts, but I think it depends on what your love language is. Although they say like there's three types of love language. What is it like words of affirmation or like compliments and stuff like that? Physical touch, physical touch and gifts, gifts. I'm all free. Right. I need it all. I need all of it. Right. All at the same time. No, just kidding. There's five, actually. Five. What are the others? Look it up. Someone look it up. I'm definitely going to show this to my husband. Be like, see, I'm only three, not five. Five love languages. Words of affirmation. Yeah. Quality time. OK. Which is the one that was like, oh, that's where the provider mentality kind of maybe interrupts like you're out kicking ass. You you're probably not. You don't have a lot of time. Yeah. So maybe. Yeah. Physical touch. Yeah. Acts of service. Gifts. So I bet you if you are into acts of service, yeah. OK. Acts of service. I feel like that's the space I've kind of been. I think that's one that kind of often gets overlooked. It's like, let me just handle things like the love of like, let me just handle things for you. Everything's going to work. Everything's it may not be as visible. What you just said, let me handle things that I think is like the main. I'm deviating a little bit from the answer that I was giving you. But that's like the main, I think, thing about the princess treatment. Oh yeah. It does tie into what I was going to say. It ties into the princess treatment. I'll take care of things. Don't worry. You know, at home, don't worry. I'll take care of things. I'll figure it out. I'll book the trip to the Maldives. Right. I'm going to go get you flowers. You know, that kind of subtle, subtle hints. Just a little. Instead of sorry, just book the trip to Maldives. Right. Just handle it. Just handle it. So, OK, so let's let's talk practically. Someone's in the West and we have mostly Western people here at Nomad Capitalist Live and they like the idea of more traditional. I think they think they like the idea, to some extent, of more traditional. But they're trying to make the transition. And maybe they're in the same boat that I was very early in my dating back when. I mean, nobody at this year 18, 19, 20. I don't know if maybe these guys just shouldn't be dating at that age. Just go and focus on working out and getting smart and building something. Yeah. But I did the flowers thing. And it was like, you're a you're a creep. You're a creep. Yeah, literally. Like my gut, like I had problems over it. You know, and it kind of like, all right, well, try that a couple of times was like literally like yell that like all kinds of problems and just said, all right. For flowers. Yeah, no, yeah, for sure. And it was when you were still in the United States. What state are you from again? Where were you dating? Just block it on the map. Like, don't go there. Cross off Ohio. Well, you should cross it up for other reasons. Yeah. Interesting. I've never heard that before, that you're a creep for gifting flowers. I think like this is like, how do you make the transition? And for me, it was very gradual. But like you're in that environment where that's kind of a Western environment. And it's kind of like, oh, you just like book the place. And you didn't tell me like, why aren't we deciding together? I think you'd rather just like, listen, go to the Maldives, pack your bags. I like the element of surprise. Yeah. Like I got you this to wear. Let's go. Trust me. I don't know if that works in the West. So how do you segue? And it might not even work for some women in Eastern Europe, too. You know, I could see how some women are. They prefer to maybe control things, but know where they're going. Know what? You know, I have a couple of friends like that, although they do live in the West. But anyway, this whole West versus East, you know, I don't want to. It's not so clear. It's not so clear cut. Yeah, it's just that generally speaking, certain ideas and principles align with the Western world and then others align with with, you know, Eastern Europe and my part of the world. I would say, first of all, as a guy, don't give up just because somebody told you you're a creep for gifting flowers. It doesn't mean that you're that you're a creep. Right. Don't take it personally. Know that you did the right thing. And maybe that girl's just not for you. You know, if maybe you need to be very clear on what your values are. What I eventually came around to was what's my brand? And maybe even if the person doesn't want that, it's like, I'm going to live my brand. I think there's a certain confidence and a certain masculinity even to say, like, here's what I do. Exactly. It works or it doesn't. Exactly. And that's my ethos. I don't really change it. And you shouldn't change it, because who are you going to end up attracting? Then if you change who you are at your, like, core values, people at 19, they're just trying to like forget even like I want to get laid. It's just it's just like I want to meet someone and have that sense of like you're supposed to have a relationship. You're supposed to be in love. Yeah. And like, OK, what what is it that works? Right. Right. Exactly. I would say just if you are very set on the fact that this works for you, just continue to do that and try it out, you know, and don't give up the first three times that it doesn't work, because you will eventually find somebody who will appreciate that. And there's your arbitrage if you don't. I don't know about Moldova, but I will tell you, I started hearing stories, you know, like in Georgia and Armenia and places like that where it's like, oh, how did you end up with your husband? And maybe sometimes they would look a little bit mismatched, like she's gorgeous and he's kind of like he's like 28 and balding. And it's like, well, how did that work out? Oh, I don't know. He asked me out like 37 times, like in the US, like that's 35 times more than a lawsuit. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I have a friend in Germany who her boyfriend, pretty sure they're going to get married soon. Her boyfriend courted her for two months before she said yes to the date. Just even for the date. Yeah. Just for the day. He was telling me I was one of our lawyers or something. They're like, yeah, some guy like five times, like five times. Get it together, buddy. Like they, you know, the whole like put in the effort, put in the effort. And I think oftentimes women are confused, too. They think they don't want those things. But then have you seen that viral video? I think it went viral on X. I'm not on X, but my husband showed it to me. It was this girl from L.A. talking about how this like really traditional guy took her out on a date and he paid for the dinner and then they went out for drinks. And she was getting her credit card prepared to pay because she's like, well, he paid for dinner, so it's my turn to pay for drinks. And he gave her his credit card and said, get whatever you want. And she's like, all of my feminist values, everything just melted away. Do you think at our core? And again, OK, I'm using this Westies as kind of a shorthand. Is it kind of like there's been a veneer? There's been just a bunch of stuff piled on top of Western values that underneath it, just scrape it all off. You're still at the core values of who we are as men and women. We're all just trying to kind of disguise it and pretend for the sake of progress. Yeah, I think there's there's a little bit of both. There's a lot of confusion and a lot of things going a little too far. Like I said, I think that feminism is really important and continues to be important in many parts of the world still. But it went too far. Somehow we went from, hey, let's have equal opportunity with men to actually we don't even need men. And in fact, men suck. Like, you know, the amount of times that I've heard men, women say that in the West men suck. We don't need them. They don't think the same way we do. And I'm like, hold on a minute, hold on a minute. They're like the same species as we are. What what what some of these men say? And again, I think that they need to get out maybe into the real world where people have loving relationships. What they'll say is, oh, they just picked and they just picked the parts that they like. I don't want to pay, but I do want this. How do you respond to that? Part of it is culture. I don't think it's necessarily picking the stuff that they like and don't like. Maybe some women do. Again, it's like more than an individual level. But I think it's certain things can't coexist with other things. Right. So if you are picking and choosing, like if you're a feminist and you believe that you can do everything yourself and you don't need no man, but then you also are like, well, I want everything covered for me. There's a little bit of cognitive dissonance there in that belief. So maybe there is a little bit of pick and choosing. But at the bottom of it, I think there's just confusion. You don't even know what you're supposed to to believe in. There's so many conflicting, borderline hypocritical beliefs that you don't even realize how like mixed up in it all you are. Whether it's selling real estate or whether it's this, I just I really look at me like, you know, everything in the U.S. to me seems like there's all the labels. There's all this stuff you're talking about. It just seems like life seems simpler in the rest of the world. It's the whole you know, even the whole believing in one thing. And the other that's totally conflicting. I just thought about how, you know, people tweeting and posting videos from their iPhones that communism is ready. And I mean, like there's that whole whole narrative as well. So people don't even realize that the level of mismatching that's going on in the brain and the labels, I think it's just there's a lot of culture of extremes. And I think it's fueled by social media. I mean, my success came to me in the last couple of years because of social media. So it's not all bad. Right. But I think a lot of it is fueled by social media and what you see, because you see like the highlight, the exaggeration of things. And then you also start to get influenced by many ideas. And if you get wrapped up in the wrong ideas online, you can very quickly, you know, go to your feed and see princess treatment. And then you're like, maybe I'm a princess. Maybe I should be treated. You should be treated like a princess. But, you know, you see everybody saying, oh, I see women like all men cheat. So you might as well just grab the money. It's like, no, not all men cheat. And you see men like, oh, there's no good. They're all like this, like they're not all like that. And yet what I would imagine you would say is if these guys went to, could be Eastern Europe, could be parts of Latin America, could be to Asia, you can't expect to bring that same act. I mean, you have to, you get something and you get something. It ain't 50-50 in Eastern Europe. And so even for, I was talking to one of our, one of our managers, he took one of our lawyers, like a professional dinner there in Georgia. He's a guy, she's a woman. He'll order a bunch of stuff. She's like, hey, I got to run. See ya. Because it's like even on non-dating situations, even in business situations, hey, you're you're you're the man you're paying. Right. And obviously much more affordable there. And we'll talk here about lower tax, like, oh, you know, it's easier to do. But maybe walk guys through, what are you getting and what are you what are you giving up in exchange? Because I think sometimes the guys just want to give me the extra stuff. But why are these Moldovan girls splitting the bill? That's one of the reasons why I'm not a huge fan of that term passport bros, just because it has a bit of a negative association to it. And I feel like the character profile of guys who like kind of identify as that often can be just that they go and they expect, you know, you're going to cook me borscht every single day, you know, and it's I'm not going to cook you borscht every single day. It's a huge undertaking to make borscht. I made borscht for my husband three times the last 10 years. Just saying. Really? It's a lot. Yeah. It's a lot of work. I should make it more. But anyways, you know, there's just first of all, I think and this is something I'd be curious to find out if you believe in, but I genuinely believe that what you have set for yourself in your mind is going to become your reality. So if you believe that your efforts are in vain or all women are this, you know, all men cheat, you're probably going to find it because that's exactly what you're looking for. Actually, when you keep repeating it to yourself that that is the reality out there, that's what you're going to find. So you've got to really figure out where that belief came from, why it's there and you've got to change it. From some traumas in your childhood or in past dating experiences. And that's why I think the changing environment is so interesting because there's a friction when you go to some other physical place. Yeah. It just hits you in the face, the differences. Right. Right. So I think you have to change that first and foremost. And who knows, you might not even have to travel to Moldova. Someone might show up into your life before you make your trip down there. What do you think about passport bros? Because you could make an argument that there are guys who are unfairly labeled as that, who just say, as I did, I don't fit in here and I'm going to go over here. And a small part of that is the love and the relationships and all that. And it's just part of my new life. Right. And then there are people where they're in the building that we toured in Colombia years ago where they stopped allowing Airbnbs because a family opened the elevator door and there's a woman on her knees with the guy who's visiting from out of town and they're sick of it. Where do you. So what's your thought on the passport bros? I think there's nothing wrong with going to a place where you feel like you're more aligned values wise. Right. That's I would like to believe that's the main reason why passport bros exist. You know that you will be more appreciated for what you have inherently. You have a passport of a strong country and you are probably earning in strong currency. So you know that, you know, you have the option of going where you're treated best, which is to quote you. Right. It's not a bad thing. It's also I don't think a bad thing necessarily when you arrive to a country and women find that as a point of attraction. It's not all they find attractive about you, but they see something that equals freedom. It's like a path to freedom. Right. You have a passport that will allow for more freedom. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But I think that you have to go in with the right intentions and not just think of yourself as a king just because you have a different passport and all of a sudden you arrive to a place and you know. We have lived like a king. The series where we go around, it's really about shattering misconceptions about what places are and how you can have a great luxury lifestyle. But yeah, to me, luxury is never boastful and it's never always over the top. Maybe we disagree a little bit on that. I like to have caviar one night and Taco Bell the next day. I like to have a little bit of a mix. You also don't like Gucci. Well, I think Gucci is, I think a lot of people are falling in a favor with Gucci. The stock is down, people are shopping there, sales figures are down. But you like nice things, not necessarily for the brand of it, but just when they're nice, right? I don't like these brands that everything went from Yves Saint Laurent to now it's just Saint Laurent, Ferragamo is kind of the last one to fall. It was so classy. And I was talking to my tailor. There's no good brands to go to anymore. Speak about brand. And I think you make a good point. Guys need to have a brand. Here are my values. Here's what I want. I'm not just floating around in the wind doing whatever it takes. I'm not being angry. But like the least masculine thing you can do, quite frankly, by the way, is James Bond to get angry. Moves on. Who's your favorite James Bond? Pierce Brosnan, by far. Pierce Brosnan is your favorite Bond? You're crazy. Who's better than Pierce Brosnan? He's sly. Sean Connery. Okay. Like that's old school. Is number one James Bond. Okay, fine. I like old school things. I can expect you, sure. So as do I. Daniel Craig. Is number two. You're nuts. First of all, he's blonde. That's not the look. I just don't, I don't think he's got the look. He's too brutish. And then, and then he's like, he's like falling all over himself. Like there's no, he's not making love to beautiful women. But he's a dark character, right? They give him darkness. Yeah, it's not fun anymore. I want the suave guy who has all the witty lines. He's like doing his tie in the submarine. It's just a little too, not enough for me. Not enough? Pierce Brosnan. Don't get me wrong. It's, I appreciate it. I do. He's not strong enough for you. Yes. The Moldovan woman. You want the Moldovan roots. You want a little more strength. Yeah, exactly. A little more brutishness. Exactly. That is something that in Serbia, for example, I do see is like, you're not brutish, but you kind of have to play that role to a certain extent. Yeah. It's a fine balance too, because women from my part of the world, I made a video about that recently, there's like this belief that a man needs to be able to like hit the table with his fist when there's a disagreement or when there's a decision to be made, he needs to like, you know, kind of put down his crucia for this shoe. Yeah. Like we're going to, we're going to bury you. Exactly. And it's, it's funny because I remember my dad asked my husband, Alex once, um, there was something that I did and my dad was like, Alex, couldn't you have like slap, like smashed your fist at the table and told her, you know, and I was like, dad, if he ever does that, like legitimately the table will get thrown right at him, but at the same time, he does need to be able to do it. So it's like this fine balance. And we make the most passionate love underneath table on the rug. Maybe. But there's like the certain, um, what do you call that in English? Like a certain quality that you need to have to be able to do that when necessary, basically for women from. I don't think any guys in Ohio are patting their face on the table. I don't. I don't know many guys from Ohio, except for you. What's Ohio like? Yeah. It doesn't get any better than this. What about Texas though? Or, or Tennessee? You think so? I think so. Or even the Carolinas. But everyone's leaving all like the, the blue states and then they're going and it's kind of like becoming like watered down, I think, like everyone's going to Nashville and Austin and Miami. Like whatever it was, it's kind of Dallas, it's kind of being diluted. Do you think it's going to all turn blue? I think it'll eventually turn. Yeah, for sure. Eventually turn purple. I mean, I, I lived in Arizona and it's like, what is it? Two US senators and like they voted for Biden, you know, we'll wait for the comments on how that was, how that didn't really happen, but. Uh, like most of the, I think the people in the house, I don't follow as much anymore, but it's like, yeah, it's kind of become purple from people from California. You and I would probably disagree on this, but that's like the last standing hope for the Western civilization, in my eyes, at least, is those few states that are left and chivalry, quite frankly. And chivalry. I think that water seeks its own level and there's, if there's a void to be filled, it gets filled by something. And I think this idea that a country that's 4% of the world's population and while still very relevant, is decreasingly relevant every year. The idea that that can't be removed from the ecosystem, maybe overnight if it's removed, fine. But I, I, I, the idea that people, I think people have different views of freedom around the world and the idea, again, very much labeling, oh, we've got a constitution. Okay. Well, these people over here just don't want to screw with you. They just want you to live your life. And they're just kind of a sense of like, don't bother anybody. So the U.S. has a constitution, but now it's, does it mean anything? It still matters a little bit. It means something, at least from as far as I can see. I, it took me a while to recover from realization that Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom could just be used as a toilet paper because it really could be. So let's talk about that. Cause I wanted to go back to the masculine, but the point was everybody has to have their brand, build up your brand and just say, here, here's what I do. And if I can find a place where they have those values, I mean, obviously Latin America is going to be a bit different than Eastern Europe. It's going to be different than Asia. There's Latin America and Eastern Europe is very similar. I mean, you think so? In some ways their women are a little bit more fiery than ours. Like they'll, you know, but in many ways, princess treatment there, I feel they're a little bit more like, you know, have you ever seen a Latin woman get angry? First of all, it goes from zero to a hundred, like real quick. I have some Latin friends and it's like, it takes a very special type of man to like, I don't, there's not the flower culture there though. That would be, I think that'd be a little bit weird in some of those people. Really? I think so. Where, where, where, where, where are the Latinas working here at the event? Let me get them in. We'll figure it out. Well, I don't think anyone's, I don't think it's a flower culture. Really? No. No, I don't think this, I don't think Asia is a flower culture either. So I think it's just very like. Eastern Europe is like, my husband still can't recover. He's like, I've never seen flowers like that in my life. You know, those roses that like, you see all the Russian influencer, you probably Like 17,000 roses? 17,000 roses or really, really tall roses. They're like the size of a human basically. And my husband's like, who does that? And I'm like, my people do that. And why haven't I gotten one? And he's from where? He, so he is Serbian. Right. But he was born when Yugoslavia was still a country and raised in Canada. Right. Yeah. So you discovered a couple of years ago after moving to Canada, hey, maybe this isn't all as cracked up to be. Is that true? Yes, basically. Why hesitation? Because I genuinely believe that it's one of the greatest countries in the world. Like when I was moving there, I, I thought Canada had it figured out better than anyone else. There were certain nuances, but just the level of organization, the level of opportunity is a really hard country to move to. It still continues to be for many people. They were very organized, very, for lack of a better word, there was this like general level of fairness and opportunity. Just, there's so much opportunity there. You could come and build yourself into everything from nothing. Don't get me wrong. That's, I believe still the case, especially in U.S. But the biggest thing with Canada is I genuinely thought that there's freedom on all levels. There's just freedom. You know, we're free. And then when COVID hit, I realized that's not the case. I thought that our charter was similar to U.S. constitution. I'm not going to point at you anymore, but U.S. constitution. And it isn't at all. They can scrap that in a heartbeat. We always thought growing up and working in broadcasting in my early life, I mean, in Canada, you have to play so many Canadian artists. Like you can't just play Beyonce all day and there's no, you know, you don't have the same level of freedom of speech, which I will say, you know, traveling around the world, I don't need to come to Malaysia and attack everybody. I kind of feel like that's why you want to go somewhere else is to like get away from like, I want to complain about politicians all day. It's like, why? Right. But I get the point that if you live in Canada and you're from Canada, you'd like those freedoms. And yeah, that was always the idea. It was watered down versus the U.S. Yeah, but that's what people were nicer. They said, I think I prefer and you and I might disagree on this, but I prefer Americans in terms of how they communicate. Every time I go there, people are very nice, very polite, and they're very blunt. I appreciate. Yes. At least everywhere I've gone, compared to like the Balkans. So Eastern European, I mean, there you have not a lot of kindness right off the bat. But the second you try to have like, and obviously this is generalization, but the second you try to have a bit of more of a deep conversation, they shut down. Like it's a little too awkward. In the States, I found it was the complete opposite. People were very polite and very blunt. Like I went to Miami and L.A. in the last six months, and it was maybe because I'm very open and blunt. So people feel a little bit more just, I guess, they feel an invitation to share their opinions, but people were not resistant to sharing their political views with me, what they thought about what was going on globally. Like it was a very refreshing. Americans know what's going on globally? You'd be surprised, but yes. Really? I know you and I need to have a glass of wine and have like a disagreement on some of the things. Good wine in Moldova. Great wine in Moldova. If you're into wine. Oh my God. I got accidentally so drunk recently and I don't drink a lot. Like I love wine. Yeah, neither do I. But I don't love getting drunk. Do you get drunk often? No? Yep. There's like, I feel like that was a lie. Is that a lie? That was a lie. Okay. Yeah, sure. I think like Georgians and Irish. Oh, you're, yeah. Can I swear? Yeah, you can do whatever you want. Yeah. It's actually a funny thing. I met a Georgian in the room here. I was at a conference last year and there was a lady from Georgia and she came up to me and she's like, hi, where are you from? And I'm like, I'm from the wine heaven of the former USSR. She goes, Oh, you're from Georgia too? And I was like, Ooh, okay, this is going to be a battle. You should have told them you invented Kenkali also. Kenkali didn't make it to our part of the world until recently, actually. We were all about pelmeni. Yes. Yeah. But Kenkali is a little bit easier to eat, maybe a little bit easier to eat, but Kenkali is superior. I'm sorry. I know people are going to hold that against me. Would you ever go back to Moldova? Yeah. I go there to live. Oh, would I ever go back to live? Yeah. You know, if you asked me that even two years ago, I would have probably said yes. It was also around COVID, like the end of COVID and Moldova was just like so much more open than Canada. So for a minute there, I thought, you know what, maybe I should like divide my time between here and, and like the West or other places of the world. Um, now I don't know. Like I was trying to think to myself, would I ever go back as often if I didn't have family there still? And I don't know if I would, if I didn't have family and friends, maybe I'm still a little bit conflicted about that because there's certain things that I really like about it. And then there are certain things that I just don't resonate with as much anymore. Have you changed as a person moving to Canada? Yes, for sure. In what way? Well, I think for starters, I went from, you know, being on a very traditional end of things to, I entered the corporate world very quickly after I moved to Canada and I got a very serious career. And I went like the other way for a little while there, where I was like, okay, this is, you know, I'm going to be the, the masculine figure of my life that I always needed because I was there by myself. And I felt like I had to. What caused you to change that course? I think just recognizing, A, I, you know, I met my husband and a few years into our relationship, I just realized that I don't really want to be that figure anymore. I want him to take on that lead and role and have like a nice balance. And then also I think just like growing up and realizing that certain values maybe don't matter as much anymore as I thought. And maybe certain things and certain ways that I started to, I guess, implement as like my thinking patterns were not necessarily from the right place, if that makes sense. Was there kind of a thought that I'm going to Canada, the brand of Canada is get into the corporate world, like it's kind of a package deal. Was that like, that's the thing that people do? Yes. And I'm not going to think about it. I'm just going to do it. Yeah. And it brought me success. I mean, I lived, you know, the lifestyle that I used to see on television. Mind you, it was America that I used to see on television, but Canada is similar in many ways. It's a house in the suburbs. You have a car, you know, everything is perfect. You drive to work. And I enjoyed it. You know, I enjoyed it for, you know, how many years? Do people in Moldova, though, realize that with that, there is some kind of compromise that people, there is maybe less soul than you'd have? I think people who haven't experienced it, maybe don't realize it as much. And maybe people who are in like the corporate grind, even in Moldova, they may not understand it from that perspective. But I have friends, for example, in Moldova who run their own businesses and they have this level of freedom that a business can bring you. And when I tell them about, you know, the lifestyle that I have when I was working in the corporate world, they're like, Oh my God, I would never like I would. That sounds horrible to me. You know, especially, you know, North American work culture is different from even European work culture in Canada. That's very similar to U.S. A little bit. You have a little bit more vacation time by like three days, maybe. But it's very much you work your whole life. You put in a ton of hours always. So when I say that to my friends from Moldova, they're like, Oh my gosh, that sounds like horrible. I would never do that. And yet there is there is that brand of I want the passport. We were talking about how do you meet someone in Venezuela? And somebody was like, Oh, I've got a cousin who's American. You just go around and just, Oh, I'm sorry, did I drop that passport in front of you? I wonder if that'll work as well in Moldova now, because, you know, I guess it's less so, I think less because there's more freedom now to travel. I mean, they just recently opened up EU for Moldovan citizens for 90 days. That's been a long time. A really long time. Maybe a decade now. I think Moldovans can go. Oh, you mean for a visa? I thought you meant long time for without. A long time for visa free. And how many Moldovans now get the Romanian passport? Romania is now even in the EU and no Schengen. I mean, I feel like it's all changing. And you could you could you do what you're doing in Canada? Could you have done that in Moldova? Could you have done social media in Moldova? I could have for sure. I could have. You could argue and I don't know the answer to that question, but you could argue and say maybe it wouldn't have been as fast of a growth. Although now I have very strong suspicions that I'm actually getting a little bit censored in Canada because my growth in Canada when I'm there is not nearly as I don't know if it's censorship or it's just the way it works with algorithms. Why do you think Canada wants to censor you? I don't know, because I'm not that controversial of a figure. I'll say whatever is on my mind without a filter. I've said a couple of things about Johnson at all, but I'm not that big of a controversy. I'm not a political person. No, I'm not a political pundit. I just make fun of things. I have serious conversations on my podcast sometimes. Do a lot of Canadian women like Justin Trudeau? Not any that I know. Really? He's so debonair. What does that mean, debonair? What is that term? He's very, you know, Ivanka Trump with the eyes. You know, this seems like a cultural difference to me where you're like, I see through the real Justin Trudeau, but I feel like, you know, a lot of a lot of people there could be like, oh, he's so he's such a cutie. I have heard of people voting for him just because he's good looking. Which is the worst way to pick a prime minister of your nation. Where I come from, the prime minister, the most hideous people, they got boils on their head. The strongest person, although the president of Moldova now is a woman. But it's it's very bizarre. I think, you know what? And you might agree with this, but I think it's because people have had good lives there for too long. It's no, it's right. It's too long. Yeah. And now it's just kind of like whatever. Yeah. The party will continue. Because you never had to worry about the decisions of your government. And now for the first time in I don't know how many years, ever since probably it was founded. Don't you think that created the kind of this male female dynamic where it's like, hey, anything goes and we have high taxes and it pays for, you know, whatever things you need. You don't need, you know, you don't need a male female dynamic. Everyone just does their own thing. And I think that's kind of led to this crumbling of relations. Maybe. Things too good for too long. For sure. I think that's how you persuade people very easily into different ideas. Right. Because people aren't used to ever questioning what the government does. Right. So, yeah, I think not having any major problems for a really long time just leads to kind of like a spoiled, spoiled nation. Right. Like you're spoiled. You've had a really good life for a really long time. Of course, not every single person who had a great life. But nationally speaking, you know, Canadians never had to worry about where the next meal is going to come from or where to get butter, you know. So I think it definitely I hope I would have hoped that that's not how humans work and that we would make things better out of them being good. But it seems to me like when things are really good, we want to just like smash it all to bits and create problems out of molehills and or just there's no problem. And then we want to create a problem just for the sake of creating a problem. What's your big piece of advice if someone wanted to go to your neck of the woods in Eastern Europe and they want to adapt to the local lifestyle, relationships are a part of that. What's the one big thing you would tell them to be ready for? Do a liver cleanse because you're going to drink a lot of alcohol. If you don't drink alcohol, honestly, I don't I don't think you should go. Don't go if you don't drink. Yeah, that's my serious advice. But in all seriousness, wine is really great. So get ready to taste a lot of good wine. And the food is amazing. And also just get your like a game. Is that what it's called? When it comes to chivalry, especially if you're looking to meet someone, if you're a guy, if you're a girl, because I've heard of that. Girls are moving to Moldova? Girls, not necessarily moving, but they're contemplating the idea of having like an Eastern European guy in their life. There's tall like Serbian guys in that way, especially like tall. Maybe not so much Moldova, but. I think ex-Yugoslavs in general are like. Yes, like really tall. Yeah, I'm not. I'm like 6'4". And it's like, OK, cool. My husband is actually considered like the shorter out of the spectrum of and I don't know how tall he is, but he's a little bit taller than I am. Oh, come on. And he's he's considered the shorter one out of the Balkans, especially Serbs. Yeah, Montenegro is the big one. The mountain men, the Serbian girls like to go with them like the Montenegro. They're wild. I think you should record a whole solo show on those things. You know, a lot of information that I did not expect you to know. Really? Wow. No, I know because I know the Montenegrins like Montenegrin girls and like their brother comes into Serb to Belgrade and it's like he didn't even make it to the hotel before some girl was like, you know, it's like they hear that accent. And the guys like the Croatian accent. It's softer than Serbian men like the Croatian, the Croats. Who is this person like? Wow. I know that. He doesn't travel anymore. What does he know about global citizenship? Are you the founder of the whole passport bro thing now? I'm starting to I don't like that. I don't like the label because I feel like when you label anything, whether it's anything, it just kind of it's a race to the bottom. I mean, I did notice that I, you know, in all my travels, I always felt like it was partially just a greater confidence, which obviously is kind of at the heart of masculinity. But it was it was I felt like when I was younger being, you know, a nascent entrepreneur and having kind of weird interests that was more accepted in other places. I don't know that there was some great movement and I wasn't hanging out at clubs with with hookers and, you know, 10 of them in a row doing tequila shots. It was just like, OK, this feels more comfortable in many ways, including, you know, relationships. Did you feel like you were getting a lot more attention just because of where you came from in certain parts of the world? Not necessarily. And I do feel like like this is America, you know? No, I I don't I kind of push back and maybe I don't understand the true power. I kind of push back. And if I look at now why someone might, you know, look at me, I don't know it's so much. Oh, you know, there's there's a wealth because I don't think people really understand a wealth that much. I don't I don't have a car. So if it's like the very typical, like Russian standard of like, oh, he sounds fantastic. What kind of car? He doesn't have a car. Get rid of him. You don't have a Mercedes car. Conversations over these conversations. Right. So you have to. So I feel like as you get older, it is the passion. It is like all the things, the adventure, the being interesting, like what we're here doing is pretty unique. And a lot of people don't get it. A lot of people will get it short term. They'll like it for six months. And it's like, hey, I want to go back to Moldova. And some people will get it. But what was your question? Tell me again. If you ever felt like you had more attention and you were more appreciated in certain parts of the world just because of where you came from. I I think that's again, we're overstating the value of the United States. Like people are sitting around because you'll talk to anyone. Oh, I did an Italian guy. I did an Estonian guy. And one of them was an American. I don't think people are sitting there like, oh, I can't wait for the American. Who are you? French? Like, oh, American. I don't know that people look at it that way. And I also say this. Here's the thing that I take from it. And maybe I'm different because one of the things I was talking to a friend of mine is a lot of the guys he knows here in Asia, they date these women that can't even have like second grade conversations with them. And they kind of like that. And I don't know how you could ever do that. Like, I always like the your wife is your trusted advisor kind of thing, not this like we can barely communicate. And so I you know, for me, it was always I'm going to be with the doctor. I'm going to be with, you know, the person who they're successful on their own. This is very interesting, actually, because you're a really successful guy on your own and you cared that your wife or someone you're with, you know, is very successful. A lot of a lot of very successful men I know in my life think the same way. But there's this misconception, especially with the online world that, like, well, if he's successful, you know, he will want someone who's like not, you know, listen, if I'm going to be with someone and they're going to be like, hey, I want to keep my soulless sixty four thousand dollar a year corporate job. Like, yeah, we don't need sixty four thousand dollars. And like, I don't want to like have to be like waiting around because the boss is like tonight you're coming over. We're doing, you know, whatever. So there has to be a support. There has to be an affection, I think. But you can't. I mean, like, oh, she barely speaks English. I really how does that I mean, that's that's the key for a I don't I don't believe that. So I don't believe that she doesn't think I don't believe that. I know what you mean, though. I don't know. And I've known a couple couples where they say, oh, we're so much happier. But are you more fulfilled in the sense that so I mean, you know, maybe maybe not example, like a doctor or something works better because, you know, you know, I think you want to live a life with someone, don't you? You want to say we're going to make a life together. And and to your point, you want the guy to say, all right, here's what I'm doing. Do you want to join me? Yeah. I'm getting things done. I think that's like the core thing is developing that I'm going to get things done and I might take care of things. Yeah. Right. You wouldn't want something like, oh, I'm going to give up my entire career so you can work as a as a clerk at a bank and like, you know, like, come on, let's go. The one thing I actually made a video yesterday about that. The one thing that I think most women hate it when guys say is let's go with the flow. Go with the flow. Yeah, let's go with the flow. Yeah. You don't have to wait. Wait. What are you talking about flow? No. You know what I don't like? I don't like these guys. I've heard this for years. Oh, I got my girlfriend pregnant. Oh, how do you do that? I don't know, man. It just happened. Those guys cannot work for me. I don't know. Things happen. On that note, Christina. I don't even like when you're trying to say something, but you're like, we're on camera. I probably shouldn't start convulsing. Yeah. I enjoy Malaysia. Thanks for being here. Thank you so much for having me. It was an honor.