I just recently went to a website to set up a new account, and it wouldn't let me proceed without giving them a cell number. Not a VoIP number, it demanded a real cell number, associated with a SIM. I actually don't have one, because I don't have a SIM in my phone. On top of that, there are many reasons why someone might not want to hand out their cell number to everyone.
What should someone do in a situation like this? In this video I'll explain what you can do if someone asks for your cell number, and you don't want to give it to them. We'll talk about VoIP alternatives, and different methods for keeping your data protected.
00:00 Actually, I do not have a cell number 01:14 Activity Linking 02:26 Location Tracking 03:37 No Working Number Tactic 04:45 VoIP Tactic 06:12 Cell Number Rental Tactic 07:39 Pre-Paid SIM Tactic 08:16 Why Providers Block VoIP 10:57 The Cell to VoIP Trick 12:58 Dispense with the Formalities
Stop handing out your real cell number by default. Use the alternatives when you can. Make minimal disclosure the norm. Small changes like this reduce your exposure, and they remind companies that access to you isn’t a right. It’s something you get to choose.
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Everywhere we go, people want our phone
number. Restaurants want our number.
Websites want our number. And it's
become normal for us to just hand it
over without thinking. What do you do in
a situation where you don't want them to
have your number? Where you don't think
it's necessary? [music]
Or what if you don't have a cell number?
Come on, Naomi. Who doesn't have a cell
number? Actually, I don't have a cell
number. Oh my god.
>> [screaming]
>> I don't have a SIM in my phone, and I
rely entirely on VoIP numbers. And just
recently, I went to a website to set up
a new account, and it wouldn't let me
proceed without giving them a cell
number. Not a VoIP number. It demanded a
real cell number associated with a SIM.
What should someone do in a situation
like this? Now, I know I'm an anomaly
here. Most people do have a cell number,
but there are plenty of reasons someone
might decide that they don't want to
have hand out their cell number to
everyone. In this video, I'll explain
what you can do if someone asks for your
cell number and you don't want to give
it to them. We'll talk about VoIP
alternatives and different [music]
methods for keeping your data protected.
Let's start by understanding why someone
might not want to give out their cell
number. First, it becomes a unique
identifier that links all of our
activities and accounts together. If we
give the same cell number to everyone,
merchants, restaurants, schools, every
company we interact with, every
government agency, medical providers,
every friend and colleague who then
shares their contact list with countless
apps, it lets all of those separate
interactions be correlated. Why does
that matter? First of all, almost every
service that you use shares data about
you. And now, data brokers can see
everything that you're doing and [music]
stitch together all of these facets of
your life into a single profile.
Governments buy this data, too. [music]
So, now governments can easily link
everywhere you shop, every cause you
support, every website you sign up for,
and all this information invariably
makes its way to the dark web. Your
phone number becomes an easy tool that
hackers can use to find out which
platforms you use and build an intimate
picture of your life that they can
exploit via identity theft or other
nefarious activities. Another reason
that someone might not want to give away
their cell number is because cell
numbers reveal your location in a way
that VoIP numbers don't. When your phone
is powered on and connected, the
cellular network has to track which cell
area is reachable through so that it can
route calls and texts. That information
lives in databases like the home
location register or its modern
equivalents. And the network also
generates cell site location information
like tower connection logs, which
basically add up to a timestamped trail
of everywhere your phone has been. And
telco providers are notorious for
selling this location data. If someone
knows your cell number, they can find
out where you are. Unlike cell numbers,
VoIP numbers don't actually get logged
in the HLR because they're not tied to a
physical SIM card or the cellular
network infrastructure. So, it's much
safer to give someone a VoIP number than
a cell number if you don't want them
using the number to find your location.
Now that we understand some of the
reasons why we might not want to give
out our cell number, let's go over a
bunch of scenarios where we might be
asked for this number and how we can
respond. Let's start with my favorite
line that I use when it's a person who
asks. That line is, "I don't currently
have a working number." Quite often,
I'll be asked for a number and I know
it's not necessary like a storekeeper
wants to put it in their system or a
restaurant insists on taking the number
even though they're about to seat you.
If you refuse or say, "I don't have a
number." people often don't believe you
or they get hostile. Can I grab your
phone number? I don't have one. You
don't have a phone? That's right.
>> Well, I need a phone to put in our
system.
If you say, "I don't currently have a
working number." it sounds like your
phone broke or you're between plans. It
gives them a socially acceptable reason
to move on. If you're polite and even a
little apologetic, they often wave the
requirement without any friction. Can I
get a phone number? Actually, I
currently don't have a working number.
I'm sorry. Oh. Yeah, I need to get it
fixed. I'll just put in a dummy number
for now and then you can update it
later. Okay, thanks. What if you're
dealing with a business online and
there's no person to reason with? In
that situation, if you're forced to
enter a number, I suggest [music] you
give them a VoIP number. To whoever's
contacting you, a VoIP number behaves
just like [music] a normal phone number,
but it's tied to an internet-based
service and app, not your phone's
cellular connection to nearby towers.
There are lots of services that allow
you to purchase VoIP numbers. For
important accounts, I recommend MySudo,
and you can get up to nine VoIP numbers
per account. This app allows you to make
and receive calls and send and receive
SMSs just like a normal cell number.
GrapheneOS users may have trouble
getting calls in real time, but can
receive voicemail and messages fine and
make calls without a problem. The great
thing about these numbers is that you
just pay the monthly number rental,
which is currently $15 for nine numbers,
and all texts and [music] calls are
free. I use these nine numbers for
important accounts and have different
numbers for different purposes. One
number I use for shopping, another for
medical, another for work colleagues,
etc. If you want to generate a new
number for every service you use, you
can get hundreds of VoIP numbers using
cloaked.com. I do this for all burner
accounts, like restaurant reservations,
one-time purchases, etc. If you don't
have activity on these numbers for a
prolonged period, they go back into
rotation, which makes them great [music]
for single use. VoIP numbers will almost
always work, but there are some entities
that don't accept them. Let's go over
what to do in those situations. If
you're using the number for something
that's not important, you might consider
a temporary number rental service.
sms-pool.net is one option that you can
use. You deposit money in your account
and can rent a number cheaply just to
receive a one-time code. You can also
pay in cryptocurrency, including many
privacy coins, which is super
convenient. Some platforms [music] might
require a cell number when you first
register your account, but you can go
into your settings afterwards and change
the number to anything, including VoIP,
and it will be accepted. If that's the
case, you can rent a temporary number
just up and then go into your new
account and switch the number out. Be
careful here, though. Some services ask
for a number at sign up and then use
that number as 2FA and demand SMS
verification every time you sign in.
This means that if you lose access to
the number you signed up with, you will
lose access to your account. For such
platforms, you don't want to use a
temporary number. A good practice is
actually to rent a number for at least
an hour instead of just one-time use.
This gives you a little more time to see
if this account is going to require this
number for ongoing identification each
time you use the account, and whether
you'll be blocked from the account if
you lose access to your number. If you
do require ongoing use of a number, you
can always rent a number long-term, like
for months at a time, but that can get
pricey. You're better off with a more
permanent solution. So, let's talk other
options. If you need to provide a
SIM-based number on an ongoing basis,
you can buy a prepaid SIM. [music] Just
make sure that you maintain access to
it. That means keeping it active so that
you don't lose the number. And being
sure to top it up when needed. You can
consider using a service like Bitrefill
[music]
to keep your prepaid SIM topped up,
where you can also pay with
cryptocurrency. [music] This way,
whenever a company insists on a real
cell number, you have one, but it's not
the same number that you use for
everything else. And it's one that you
rarely use. Now, there is a trick that
you might consider, which involves
turning your cell number into a VoIP
number. But before we dive into that, I
want to talk about why some services
reject VoIP numbers in the first place.
This usually happens for one of two
reasons. First is for KYC reasons. Often
platforms will block VoIP, not because
of any technical limitations, but
because SIM based numbers are generally
better for KYC'ing someone or finding
out their real identity. Because they're
using the number as an identity check,
when you enter your number, they'll
check whether the number is classified
as a cell number or a VoIP number. And
if it's VoIP, they simply block you from
using it, and they demand a real number.
They just don't like VoIP. The second
reason a platform might block your VoIP
number is out of fear of compatibility
issues. From the outside, VoIP numbers
and cell numbers often seem
interchangeable. But behind the scenes,
texting is not one single delivery
system. There are different [music]
pathways that messages can travel
through, depending on who's sending the
message and what kind of number is
receiving [music] it. The pathways that
are available for a certain number are
determined when the number is first set
up and configured. [music]
The provider that issues the number
decides which features are enabled for
that number, and which message routes
are allowed for that number type. Most
everyday carrier texts between [music]
two people use SMS, MMS, or RCS when
both phones support [music] it. But some
automated messages, like marketing texts
and verification texts, [music] come
from short codes, which are those five
or six-digit phone numbers businesses
use [music] to text people at scale.
Messages sent from short codes are
usually A2P, which means application to
person. In other words, it's an
automated [music] system texting you,
not a human. Carriers handle automated
messages sent from short codes
differently [music]
to normal person-to-person texts, and
not every number type is allowed to
receive them. Some numbers simply
weren't provisioned to receive [music]
messages sent from short codes. So, your
VoIP number might receive regular texts
just fine,
>> [music]
>> but still fail when a website tries to
send a verification code. When you sign
up for a service and it rejects your
number because it's VoIP, that doesn't
necessarily mean that your VoIP number
can't receive short code messages. It
usually means that the platform blocks
VoIP numbers across the board because
some VoIP numbers don't reliably receive
certain automated messages, especially
short codes. Rather than deal with
inconsistent delivery and support
tickets, they take the blunt approach
and ban VoIP entirely out of fear of
compatibility issues. So, now let's talk
about a workaround for this, namely the
cell-to-VoIP trick. We already mentioned
that you can sometimes register with one
number and then change the number on
file after you're in. But some companies
also check any new number that you try
to add later. So, swapping in a VoIP
number might still get blocked. So,
here's an alternative. Use a prepaid SIM
number to sign up, since it's a normal
mobile number is more likely to pass the
initial [music] check. Then, after the
account is created, you can try porting
that same number to a VoIP [music]
provider. Porting just means moving a
phone number from one provider to
another. Just like you can port a number
between cell carriers, you can port a
cell number to a VoIP provider like
MySudo, which effectively turns it into
a VoIP number. And because some
platforms only check numbers at the
moment you add them, they may not
recheck the number that was already
approved. You'll still have access to
the same number, but now it's cheaper to
maintain. And because it's no longer a
cellular subscription, it won't [music]
generate cellular carrier location
records or be tracked in databases like
the HLR. But there's a caveat. As
[music] mentioned, some VoIP numbers
can't receive short code messages. So,
after a number becomes VoIP, you may
stop [music] receiving some verification
codes. This is something that you have
to test. [music] You don't want to be
stuck unable to receive verification
codes when you need to log in. In my
experience, I almost always am able to
receive messages from short codes.
Occasionally, I can't get a verification
code, but they give me a call option
instead, which works just as well. And
for the rare instances where a number
can't receive short code messages, you
can keep a prepaid SIM handy for that
specific account. Data collection today
is normalized and invasive. Everyone
wants your home address, your phone
number, your social accounts, every
identifier that makes it easier to map
your life and monetize it. In the
digital era, just type your number is
treated like a harmless formality. But
it's not harmless. It creates an extra
thread that could be used to track you,
profile you, or exploit you. Stop
handing out your real cell number by
default. Use the alternatives when you
can. Make minimal disclosure the norm.
Small changes like this reduce your
exposure, and they remind companies that
access to you isn't a right. It's
something that you get to choose. The
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