1 Player Design Flaw On Chicago Coin's MOON SHOT Pinball Machine...

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Joe's Classic Video Games back with another cool pinball repair video for you this evening. This is Chicago Coins Moonshot. This belongs to our buddy Rodney. He had some issues with it and he brought it back to us. We've worked on this before. I don't know if we did a playlist of that or not, but we did work on this one before and fixed it up. And it is not working now. So we're going to see if we can get it working now. I'll bet we can, because if I can't, I probably won't upload this video. But that's how that works, folks. But I'm sure we can fix it. This thing is actually pretty clean, nice-looking little game, and it's just one of those unique little Chicago Coin titles, you know, from the late 60s maybe, something like that. We'll figure it out, maybe early 70s. It's just an interesting little game. Like I said, we did a whole thing on it before where we worked through it and played it and everything. But I can't remember what it's doing. it just won't start a game or something and he said that he'd been having problems where he had to reach in and move the score motor and if he moved the score motor it would play so that's a little clue that might be have something to do with it we're not going to do a complete um where we work through every little thing in the game because we've already done that we're just going to repair it in this video another thing that we're going to do though is we need to work on this the head for whatever reason it's loose look at this now this is going to scare the hell out of you let me show you first this beautiful back glass now it's not in perfect shape but it's in very presentable shape like all the art that you care about is in good shape right just a nice looking back glass got that cool look to it those kind of look like pointy people i just recently figured out that uh the gentleman that d that did the pointy people which is a Christian is it Christiansen we'll look it up here in a second that he did uh games for everybody he did back glasses for everybody so i wonder if he did that one maybe we'll look it up but you see that nice back glass you don't want to hurt that but look at this when you move this thing the whole freaking head moves look over here too and someone has put nails in this side of it that's scary as hell so the head is coming apart so we're going to glue that clamp it and uh i guess put the nails back in it there's they're already in there so why not this side does not have nails so we'll just glue like it does it's got a couple we'll glue the crap out of it too um that bottom piece there is particle board yeah i don't know if this is just a nice original shape or somebody's repainted a bunch of stuff on it i guess it's all original um you've got the overspray on it you know they did that whenever they did the stencils at the factory also you've got the the um webbing on it that's a cool thing we haven't mentioned in a while if you're a new reviewer they did this neat process at the pinball factories where they used plywood and it's not cabinet grade or anything like that it's just cheap plywood and so what they did was they painted a base coat on there now the base coat likely wasn't yellow originally nicotine probably did that so it would have been more like a an ivory something like that and when they painted that on there some of the companies uh they they sprayed this splatter paint on it and the way that they did it was they just took a spray gun and they they turned the pressure down to a certain place where it just kind of came out streamy like that and so after they painted it they would take that gun and just and it would just throw this webbing all over it and if you look if you like you look at the green there's no webbing they just did it on the base coat so they would paint it white and then spray the webbing all over it and the reason that they did that was because it hides imperfections a little bit your eye it plays a little trick in your eye where you notice that there's a line there and a line there and a line there and then you start paying attention to all the imperfections because the whole thing's like that it's designed like that so you don't notice um like sometimes on the plywood they'll have a big uh patch in it and stuff and you don't it doesn't stick out as much so that was their idea behind it you don't notice the grain in it and all that and so it's a really cool effect and usually if you see one with that it's original because it's kind of hard to reproduce people attempt it but they don't always pull it off not all of the companies did it like here's a Williams Grand Prix from a little bit later and there's nothing like that one the company that did it the most was got them they did it on a lot of them and did a really good job so when something's been repainted often that will be gone and you won't see it so after they did that at the factory they had these big stencils i guess they were metal or something that they held up and then sprayed and in this instance it was two colors so they had a black stencil and a green stencil and that gave you that cool looking art so this is called moonshot and you've got a little lunar lander there and you've got this lady here who's uh tethered to it or she's receiving a signal from it or whatever and she's in her form-fitting space suit floating around uh the moon um you know this was still in the era too where they had kind of suggestive titles so moon shot you know some people you know if you moon somebody it means you like you pull your pants down right and they've got all these good looking girls with the nice curves but it wasn't as crazy as it got in the mid 70s so there's nothing x-rated about it or anything some of the some of the um the ones from the the late 70s got pretty risque now here's kind of in between so here's a girl and this is also a chicago coin and she's drawn a certain way got a little more going on than maybe the girl in the other back glass and uh this girl's very upset about this guy who seems to be mesmerized and this guy what's he looking at and um look there's the little arcade game over there on the on the back glass too so anyway we could talk about uh pinball art forever so this is the same splatter effect because this is also a chicago coin probably from around the same era look how unique this game is that's going to be a real cool one we'll do that video pretty soon um okay so the moon shot like i said we got to glue the back we got to figure out what's wrong with it so what i'm going to do is i'm going to look inside it make sure i know he hauled it here on its uh setting standing up on its legs like this so probably didn't get too much knocked around but i'm going to look in it just to make sure there's nothing crazy in there and we'll look in the back door make sure there's nothing crazy in there and then we'll figure out what's going on and took a glance inside everything looks how we left it got the schematics right there as well playfield still has a nice sheen to it cool game and here is the back box everything looks exactly how we left it so what i'm what am i looking for well i'm just looking to see if um there's something obvious like a dead rat in the bat that ate a bunch of the wires or uh there's a hammer laying inside of it that somebody decided to stash in the pinball machine and all that i know the gentleman that owns this one so not likely to anything like that's going to happen but i always check just to make sure so when you turn it on nothing shorts out okay so let's try to turn her on look how cool these are like they kind of hang over that's unique they're real thick too plastics are big anyway let's turn it on and see if anything happens nothing not a thing oh you know what i don't have the power on i should go turn the power on to that plug that's something we could mention real quick too we do repairs so a lot of these are not working properly a lot of them are really old old juke boxes things like that so when we leave at night we turn off most of the power we don't turn off the security system and stuff like that and most of the lights we leave on the power to the lights we leave on but all of these outlets in the walls for this entire place and this is just our workshop here it's not even our workshop it's the front of our workshop on the other side we've got like 50 games we turn every freaking one of those outlets off when we leave because we don't want to leave anything plugged in in case there's a problem now usually there's not a problem we've never had a problem but we also always turn off the power just make sure there's no problem that way you don't have to worry about it so if you've got something old like this if you're not familiar with it now if you know for sure that when the power comes in it goes through the switch and then goes to the transformer and so if you turn that switch off the transformer has no power um or it's a modern game and you know that there's a fuse on the input and like a new Stern pinball or a new Jersey Jack pinball those are going to be fused everything's cool but on these old ones these really old ones i don't leave them turned on i mean i don't leave them plugged in or anything yeah you could turn them on and just have the ambient light on and everything but um if you're going to be away for a while i unplug all that stuff so here at the shop we turn on everything so right now i've got the power turned off to this room so i'm gonna go turn it on real quick all right power's turned on let's see if that changes anything nothing oh there we go got some lights on at least this is a really good looking game it's just a you know they were brave enough to make it brown like it just has a it looks different than a lot of the other ones all right so everything lights up um the ball is still in the out hole let's see if pressing start gets us anywhere well i fixed it rodney come get it no apparently like i said oh look game over and nothing works um and apparently like i said he's been having a problem with the score motor turning so let's let's watch that again if i hit the start button so it went to ball and play and then immediately back to game so what do you think it is folks what would make it do that so you saw it left game over went to ball and play and then went immediately back to game over so that's our clue so let's get the schematics out and see if we can figure this out so these are the schematics a lot of these schematics are available online you can go to the internet pinball database and they'll have a lot of these if they don't have them you can get them from the pinball resource pbresource.com will sell you a nice big copy of these they've got about every schematic that we that's known to exist and in particular the Gottlieb ones you have to buy them because they are still copyrighted and they protect their copyright and they don't let anybody put them online basically so if you if you need yours everybody gets all upset about that but the game originally came with one right so if you need one they've got a replacement that's like twelve dollars or fifteen dollars or something it's this big old sheet and it's a replacement for a part that's missing from your machine right so a lot of people get upset about that but it is what it is they own it and they they use the money that they make from schematics and stuff to make reproduction parts like little tiny screws and stuff that you need for the game so i am all for it i have no problems with it but uh some of them you can get on the internet pinball database this one may be on there um since it's Chicago Coin Chicago Coin was uh bought out in 1975 or 1976 and turned into Stern Pinball so Stern Pinball is actually still in business it's not the exact same company they went through some restructuring went out of business went bankrupt and came back but the gentleman running Stern Pinball is the same Stern or the son of the Stern that was that bought Chicago Coin so anyway what i do on these schematics is usually the light will tell you the story so you saw how it said game over and then it went to ball and play and then it went back to game over i've mentioned that three times now the reason i made such a big deal of that about that is because if you look on the schematics here's the game over light so this was on and the only way for that to be on this side is connected to the uh transformer and then this side has to be connected to the light bulb So the only way for that is if the game over relay is on. So this is drawn as if the game has started. Sometimes it will tell you. Let's see here. Sometimes it will tell you like how it's drawn. I don't see it on this one. But the way this is drawn right now, you can see that the light doesn't have power because this relay isn't over there So clearly the game over, the game is not over It must be in gameplay. That's why it doesn't say game over so when the game is over this switch will be connected so we are starting the game and that's turning off which means this is coming unconnected because the game over relay must be turning off or resetting or whatever it does and the little switch is connecting over here and then it's saying ball in play that's exactly what's happening on ours so and then it goes back to game over so we must have some kind of problem that's tripping the game over relay it must be off it must come off when I hit start and then go back on so we need to figure out why is the game over relay tripping you can see that that's actually normal the light part is actually normal behavior it's coming out of game over bam and it's going right back into game over right here in the middle of the schematic you can see the game over relay now if you look there is a little switch right in front of it what that's showing you whenever it has that is that that is a relay that drops so basically once that relay pulls in it stays pulled in usually this is on a relay bank where they reset a whole bunch of the relays so this one gets reset and then whenever it gets tripped that switch opens so whatever power is feeding it is no longer feeding it and it does just just so that it doesn't hold the whole time it just falls right and there will be other ones on here like for instance the start relays do it as well etc etc but we're having a problem where the game over relay is tripping as soon as the game starts now what causes that to trip well there's only a few things the lock relay can do it so if the lock relay uh lets out so that i think this is drawn with the power off it looks like to me i wonder they don't really show us do they don't really show if it's plugged in or not but if the lock relay uh has there's a switch on the lock relay if that's connected it will trip the game over relay usually the way that works is the lock relay is on the entire time that the game is on and with it on if this is drawn in gameplay that switch will be open which makes sense because if that switch was closed you'd always be in game over right so that must only close when the lock relay turns off now the purpose of that would be let's say that you're playing a game and you get the ball two and then you just stop your game and turn the game off when you turn it back on it would be right where you left it if not for this switch because what's going to happen is the lock relay is going to turn itself off because there's no power and make that switch connect and then when you turn the game back on power will come through and immediately turn you into game over that's the purpose that usually so we got to check that one the score frame vibration switch so that's in the back box there's a switch back there that if it connects it would throw you into game over and it could be that that thing's stuck and so as soon as this resets it kicks back because that vibration switch is stuck now it wouldn't do it immediately you saw ours turns a little bit but that's because of this switch here this is a score motor switch it's not going to be connected the whole time while it's turning there's going to be a point when that's not connected and when it gets back to where that is connected bam maybe that's when it's doing it because if you notice there was a little bit of delay between when it said game over game over balls played and then back to game over and then a play field vibration switch so there's a switch under the play field if it touches it'll also throw you into game over those are for just they're just anti um it's not really a tilt thing i think they call it a slam switch usually it's in case somebody's abusing the game now at some point people figured out that if you kick the hell out of the coin door you could theoretically kick it hard enough that the coin switch moves and gives you a free credit and if it doesn't kick it again and if it doesn't kick it again right so this is designed so that you don't do stuff like that uh because it's going to throw it into game over and you know screw you all up and it got more advanced as time went on they eventually got to where um it uh it would you know turn the whole machine off for a few seconds and things like that so where you couldn't possibly get a free credit um and you might think well nobody's going to do that the hell they won't if this is in some place that's not imagine this being in the bus station right and there's a woman back there behind the counter and then there's a bunch of 17 18 year old kids over here beating the hell out of the pinball machine what's she really going to do right so i mean unfortunately people do do stuff like that so they had to design systems to try to make it where you wouldn't do that okay um so the other thing that can trip the game over relay is when the game is actually over and the way that they tell that the game is over is uh by the ball count unit so if the ball count unit uh is on ball number one the game's not over right so if it's set on three ball when the ball count unit gets to ball number four it will trip the game over relay if it's set on uh five ball when the ball count unit gets to switch six uh ball six it will trip the game over relay so it could be that maybe the ball count unit's not resetting if this is on you know it got up the ball count six and then um will not reset it's stuck, as soon as the game started, it would throw it back into game over. My guess is the lock relay screwed up. That's my guess. So we'll see. So let's look at the score frame vibration switch first. That should be an easy one to find. They're calling this the score frame. There should be a vibration switch here somewhere that should not be closed. Do you see one? What is this? What is that? That's one and it ain't closed. It ain't even close to close. It looks like somebody, probably me, bent it all out last time. So that's not that one. So let's lift up the playfield and see the playfield vibration switch. So here is the playfield anti-cheat, anti-vibration switch. And you can see it's vibrating, but it ain't even close to touching. Again, I probably bent it out of the way last time. Okay, so next up, the ball count unit is right here. So you can't tell. I couldn't, I didn't see what number was lit up on the ball unit. Let's see if this is resetting or if i can step it up some more so that one ain't doing nothing that might be it that is it that's it i was wrong it's not the lock switch okay so this is the one that resets it and it is all gummed up like it did not want to move i wonder what happened there maybe i didn't clean that i'm gonna have to go back and look at the other video and see why i didn't mess with the ball count unit because that's the obvious problem so the problem was it was at ball six and during the startup it tries to pull in to reset this and couldn't because it was stuck so i just did it very firmly really had to push on it to get it to go down and it slowly reset so that whole thing needs rebuilt we're going to have to look at the bonus units too um so that stepper that stepper that stepper that stepper that stepper and this stepper to make sure that they're all right maybe i cleaned some and i didn't clean others so i'm gonna go look at the video and see what all i did i knew it like i always get his name mixed up with the other guy is so this is christian Marchet he's the guy we did we've talked about him in a bunch of videos he's the pointy people guy or one of the pointy people guys there's another one that he copied basically um i won't go all back over that we've done it before but look him up if you haven't so uh christian Marchet did do the art i looked at the videos that i had made of this game before and the whole thing was i didn't do the game basically our buddy rodney bought it somewhere and he had picked it up and it worked but it just had some issues so in the videos we worked through the issues we didn't go through and clean everything and do the usual stuff that we do um so i did read and the problem that we had on the previous time was the coin unit and the uh player unit in the back box and it was the same deal it was kind of gummed up he'd cleaned i took them all apart and fixed them and that's that so i need to make sure the bonus units are all right and we definitely need to rebuild this ball uh this ball ball count unit so that's our thing the guy christian that i'm talking about let me show you him so you'll see what i'm talking about there's two guys that i always get their name mixed up because they have christian in both of their names so this is Christian Marche, he did all the pointing people and lots of uh ems he also did some uh some really cool stuff once we moved into the like the solid state era he did a few there too so this is the gentleman i always get him mixed up with Dave Christensen uh in order he did um fireball uh rogo air aces wizard he did the art on wizard that's a big deal uh spirit of 76 old chicago captain fantastic Matahari Bobby Orr's Power Play six million dollar man dolly parton future spa nitro ground shaker fireball 2 and we'll stop there but yeah he was like a big deal um one hell of a talented artist so i always get the two of them confused the other gentleman came before him and did did more of the pointy people stuff that was a little more comic book style um this was a little more realistic photorealistic well not it's also comic book style but it's just a different vibe so anyway you get the point okay so i took it off cleaned it put it back i oiled the little armature here on the back one two three four five it all steps up good i guess actually that first position is ball one ball two ball three ball four ball five ball six working good now so we'll leave it all the way up just to make sure that it resets it at the beginning of this of the setup and then the coin unit the player unit i had already done this is the match unit it's working too i guess it's not i guess it's the match you know it's like the zero to 90 unit which is going to be involved with um the match and if there is a match and the um anything random that they need in number four okay and then the bonus units unfortunately were also sticky so i got them doing their thing um that was probably the whole thing i'm curious though about the score motor i wonder if it does that a lot or if it just did it once so we probably need to play it and just see if the score motor sticks but the first thing i'm going to do is go ahead and glue the back box because that's going to take probably a day to dry so we've got some big long clamps i'm just going to squirt some glue down in the crevice there on both sides clamp the crap out of it and let it sit for a day and that should fix that um i don't know if there were always nails in it i guess there were if you look right there that's a nail and it's under the the paint so i guess originally it had nails and it had glue so we'll put some glue on it and then we'll put some nails in it all right so i uh glued the back box i've got a clamp on it and uh we'll see i guess you can't see the clamp there's a clamp on it you can barely see it uh we'll see if it there's any obvious flaws in the gameplay okay now these are the bonus units and if you look 100s lit up on that one 500s lit up on that one so that must be how those two work they move forward and so it's constantly moving those as you go over the moon rocket and the venus rocket score so they don't actually reset they just keep going that's pretty cool all right so the game started up as you can see it says one player and it says ball and play one remember we left that on uh six balls let me move it bam now these are the little two inch flippers i believe he i believe he adjusted it more flat to make the flippers stronger he didn't he didn't like the weakness of the two inch flippers it's just a thing though we put on the one of the previous videos we put a a stronger coil on it on the flippers the red dot coils uh we're still in ball and play number one so that is not working properly um we gotta figure that out um so uh we put the stronger flipper coils on it but still you know they're pretty weak so you can see the left bonus unit definitely moving up ball and play number two right one's moving up left one's going okay so it seems like the bonus units are moving just fine look at these little gates on the outside still ball and play number two and we're still on player one by the way we haven't moved off of player one there's ball and play number three did you hear the metal kiss whenever i shot it because the rubber shooter tip is deteriorated ball and play number four okay so see it's still ball and play number four so it's not advancing every time like it should still ball and play number four still ball ball and play number five okay and that advanced it to ball and play number six which put it in game over so that's how it's supposed to work okay so we've got an issue where it's not advancing from one ball to the next so we need to look at the schematics and figure out why that is i mean it is usually but it isn't always okay so it's back to the schematics so when the ball lands in the out hole in the out uh lane where the ball goes in the out hole it hits the let's see if i can find it here well i just had it here we go it hits the out hole switch there's two of them so when it does that it turns on the out hole relay okay out hole relay if it's not the last ball the last ball will not be on and nothing happens on this switch as of this now it does other things you know maybe it counts down a bonus or whatever who knows but eventually it kicks the ball out now when it kicks the ball out it rolls through the trough and it hits the switch halfway through the trough okay and that is called the playfield ball return switch so when it hits this playfield ball return switch you might have noticed whenever it counts from ball one to ball two ball two to ball three it does it as the after the ball has shot out but before you have seen the ball it's still under the apron that's because it's hitting that switch when it hits that switch it turns on the ball count relay okay now the ball ball relay closes this switch so this switch is closed then this switch is closed on the score motor the extra ball relay has not been pulled in if the extra ball relay was pulled in then this switch would be open and that would prevent the ball would kick out and it would prevent it from stepping up to the next ball which is kind of what ours is doing so that switch we need to look at and then as long as the first ball relay has been dropped so what's that mean well if you if you have shot the uh ball out into the play field and you didn't score any points the first ball relay would never have came on and it would just shoot the ball right back out and they do that for a whole bunch of reasons but so uh if that switch is dirty and not making good contact that would also break this little thing now remember it's usually working or it's half the time it's working half the time it isn't so it's one of these is very close it's it's touching or something but it's not clean or something like that and then it goes to the player control relay so the player control relay has to do with how many people are playing so right now of course we've got one person playing so what will happen is at the end of the ball the player control relay comes in it goes down to here and so this will connect and the reason that they do that is because they want to reset the player control unit back to one and they don't want the player control unit to step up so if you're playing a two-player game at the end of the first ball of the first player it will do this instead because it wouldn't go to ball two it would stay on ball one and it needs to move the player up to player two so we do that but since we're a one-player game or if it was at the end of the second player's first ball the next time through this player control relay would pull in and it would reset the unit back to player one so we player one player two whenever at the end of player two ball this would come in and it would reset the control unit back to player one at the same time that it does that so it resets the player control unit at the end of each ball if you're only a one player game so when it does that the power comes through here and it goes through a switch on the number two start relay well this is another thing if that switch is screwed up or dirty you might get the same problem right or if this switch where it connects here is dirty you might get the same problem any of these switches could cause this issue uh but through all of this it steps the ball count unit up so this isn't always happening so it could be this switch is dirty or flaky it could be this switch is dirty or flaky this relay is coming in because if it wasn't we would see the player control unit step up and it's not like we never go to player two but it could be this the connection on this switch when that switch is over so it could be that one it could be that one it could be that one it could be that one um or it could even be this one or it could even be this one so we got one two three four five six different switches that it could be and you sometimes you get an extra clue where it makes it easier to to see but if you played it enough you might figure it out but probably not all with six different switches so if it is on the last ball that means the last ball relay is pulled in and so that time you're not going to shoot across the shooter lane under the apron so this ball count relay is never going to come in because the ball it's never going to kick the ball out because you're done right so but it needs the ball count unit to step up so this time it does it with the last ball relay so if that's down a separate switch on the out hole relay connects through the same stuff and that's what steps you from ball five to game over that last one if you had it set on three ball it would do that at the end of ball three okay so i'm going to look at these six switches and see if i can see one that looks a little weird but like i said uh it's working usually now on this game we have had problems with the score motor remember he said that it doesn't always get back to where it's supposed to it doesn't always get back to its home position or whatever so that might be a good one to look at first and it says a three i believe okay so i think i figured something out so when the ball crosses this switch that's what steps it up okay so we're on ball one and i gotta score something or hit this rollover switch in the out lane to get the first ball relay to drop so that is dropped and it will stay dropped the whole game i checked all those switches that we're talking about i didn't see anything obvious okay so we're on ball one theoretically if the ball lands in here and it does its thing it's going to kick the ball out over that switch so when it hits that switch it's going to turn on the ball count relay we already talked about that the ball count relay is what actually trips the player control relay there's the switch right there and it does that depending on where the player control is the unit in the back and the coin unit so the coin unit if there's one coin two coin three coin or four coins in it determines when this relay comes in to reset everything but the the ball count unit makes that happen and the switch makes the ball count unit happen right and then we just talked about it closes this switch if the extra ball relay hasn't been tripped i checked that switch it looks fine if the first ball relay is tripped i checked that you just saw it trip i checked it it's fine and if the player control relay pulls in which is what we were just talking about up here when the player control relay pulls in it will send power through and the number two start relay if that switch is connected it is i checked it it makes the ball count step up unit work okay so all you have to do is hit that switch and it should advance to the next ball okay so watch what happens so i'm gonna i'm just gonna hit it with my finger you don't think it'll zap me maybe i shouldn't hit it with my finger okay all right so you heard that right ball in play number two do you hear that noise that's the player control relay stuck on okay so if i hit it now nothing happens okay now if i just turn the score unit the score reel the player control relay has now went off okay i'm gonna hit it again nothing we're still on ball number two and when i hit that switch nothing happens let's move this one more so what i'm doing is i'm going from home position to home position if you look on this bottom cam there is a indention right there that all of these switches are riding in and that's the home position. There's three of them on it. One there, one there, and one there. You can see on this top one, it's a little easier to see. There's three little bumps, and then there's three little bumps, and there's three little bumps. And you'll notice each time it turns, it only turns a third of a revolution. And you'll also notice that this is made out of plastic. Okay, so we just turned it one third of a turn. It moved us up to three. The thing is stuck on again, and now if I hit it nothing happens okay if i hit was to hit this again it's turned that off i remember last time it turned that off this wouldn't work still won't work let's turn it again no all i'm doing is turning the score reel score relay score a motor so if when i do that it should be in the exact same spot you know there's three home positions and i just went from home position one to home position two it worked and once again that's stuck on so what's the deal i mean what's what's going on so the problem i've got is every time i hit that ball return switch the ball count relay should come on and it's not sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't if this one is stuck on it definitely doesn't so what the hell is going on there so i have checked this you would think that the obvious thing would be that it's this b6 this is b6 that switch that allows the ball return relay to stay on or to come on and you can see as this turns that it is very closed Well, I don't know. Hell, maybe it is sometimes, and sometimes it isn't. Damn, that's kind of wide, actually. Yeah, let me adjust that a lot closer. All right, so that's closer, which means that whenever it's closed, theoretically it'll be closed tighter. But you have to resist the urge to just make it as tight as possible because it also needs to open. It's important that that opens so that that relay turns off. And the other relay, the D4, which is right here, the player control relay is definitely getting stuck on and if that switch opens it should turn off so you can see right there that that switch is open okay so this doesn't really have anything to do with our error or whatever but i'm just going to show you how this is designed it's a little bit sloppy the best i can tell okay i might be wrong but that's how it looks to me so that thing is sticking on that player control relay okay so but i think it's supposed to on a one-player game because just because of the way they've designed it okay so out hole switch the ball falls in the out hole during the gameplay okay it turns on the out hole relay which turns which holds itself on and it'll continue holding itself on until e1 opens up okay so the out hole relay is on that starts the score motor so the score motor starts turning okay so we're over here i've got all this turned off um the score motor starts turning okay um when the score motor gets to C1 the switch on C1 kicks the ball out so C1 is right here so it's gonna be way along right so it turns and it turns and it turns and it turns and C1 is down here turns and it gets to bam right there it just kicked the ball out the ball is on the on the the way to the shooter lane The ball travels through the thing, and it hits the playfield ball return switch. And I have confirmed that that is the correct switch because of the wiring and everything. It hits that, which turns on the ball count relay until B6 opens up. So it turns on the ball count relay. When the ball count relay comes on, because we are on a one-player game, and we are at the first position of the player control unit, that switch closes, and it turns on the player control relay. So we're getting all of that, right? so all of this happens as the ball shoots across so it'd be almost immediately after the kicker kicks it right the score motor is still turning so now the ball has gotten all the way out to the the shooter lane and we need it to do its thing so this one opens up at D4 so D4 is this one up here so we keep turning the ball is in the it's hit the switch oh it's turned all of the stuff on everything's doing its thing and we get there and this switch opens so when that switch opens now we have just went past um the home position though but that's because okay yeah so we're sitting here okay the ball lands in the out hole that starts the score motor score motor does this blah blah blah blah blah when this one drops in it kicks the ball out bam ball is kicked out okay takes it a little bit it's traveling it's traveling it's traveling it hits the switch in the in the the the lane when it hits the switch in the lane the out hole relay is no longer on because it's going to turn off at E1 which is this one up here did it do it already yeah it just turned off right so it is now turned off the out hole relay so it's not going to keep this running the only reason this is still running is because of this run switch down here on the bottom but by this point the ball has hit that switch when it hits the switch it turns on the the ball count relay so the ball count relay is going to keep this running again so you get back to home position but it doesn't stop because the ball count relay has it going on so it keeps going right and now it needs this one to drop out and it just did so almost immediately after home that one drops out but the ball count relay is still on because this switch is closed so it turns and turns and now this is energized again or has you know has the power on one side because the ball count relay hasn't dropped out yet so then we turn a little bit and now the ball count relay drops out so it's no longer holding the score motor on but this damn thing is still energized it turned off and then back on because just the way it's timed right and it'll keep turning and turning and turning and turning and eventually it gets back to the home position and stops and that's still energized now if it wasn't a one-player game it would be different let's say it was a two-player game well if it's a two-player game this would have been here and you would have been at the second player and at the end of the second player's ball ball one it does the exact same thing but whenever this dropped out or whenever this uh did its thing where it is supposed to step up the ball count thing the ball count um instead of it would have uh reset the player control unit right so it would have done this and when it reset and ours is resetting the player control unit too but ours is staying right here because it's already it's only at the first position so it resets but it just stays where it is because it's a one player game but if it's a two player game the coin unit would be here and so when that reset you would no longer have a way to get power through here and so the ball count relay still being on would not turn this back on so that's going to lock on after every damn time that this resets on a one-player game, and that's probably why it's buzzing so much because the thing's been heated all to hell for years. If you play a one-player game, that thing turns on and stays on. Now, it will turn off as soon as the score motor turns. So as soon as you hit something on the play field that turns the score motor or the ball lands back in the out hole, it'll turn it off whenever it turns the score motor. But that's a weird design. I was talking to somebody just the other day. they were asking me a question about a Gottlieb game that's kicking the ball kicker twice. And I was telling them, I was like, they're not all designed like perfectly efficient. Sometimes it does extra crap like this. Now, when you're normally playing the game, you would never know that that damn thing is sticking on, and it doesn't really matter. But, you know, I'm trying to figure out what's going on, and that's one of the symptoms I noticed. And it looks to me like it's working how it's supposed to work on a one-player game. So I hope some of you followed that and thought it was interesting. but uh my whole what it all comes down to is when i hit that switch every time the ball count relay should step up and it doesn't so there's something going on right here or with that connection to there or something like that so that thing where i was saying every time that's stuck on it won't do it that's some kind of red herring that has nothing to do with what we're looking okay so remember i adjusted this switch because it didn't look like it was touching very well so i need to drop the first ball relay make sure you scored something and now here out of the one stuck on still stuck on still stuck on still stuck on okay so i think it was just that switch was gapped a little bit too high all right folks we've got everything working well on it um i'm trying to try to multiplayer game just to make sure everything's all right so this is ball player two that's why i didn't move that time i wanted to show you a really interesting little design uh quirk of this thing these these pop-up caps are so weird um a lot of these games they just came up with like some kind of creative stuff so if you notice these all say 10 points when lit which means they're one point if they're not lit and the middle one is lit and you might notice that now these two are lit somehow how'd that happen how'd that happen that's kind of weird and how do we do it again like what's going on with that okay so i showed you earlier the bonus units there's a bonus unit for the moon event the moon rocket and the venus rocket they have this thing designed so that when you get both of them on the same color it lights up that deal so enough you know like if i move this by hitting this button it got me they get this one got me um i can cycle through right so if i get this light to here i don't know if that'll turn anything on or not yeah that turned on this light and so the reason i was able to get the blue working by hitting this is this cycles through that side right so for instance if that was the cycle up to yellow and this button does it too right oh yeah that was where it's out skip that watch this so it went from there to there like it's just a the way it's designed i guess i don't want it being linear but if you get it to for instance yellow and then you get this one to yellow it lights up your yellow pop bumpers how cool is that so we've got the white one up there that's still not lit up since we got uh i guess it went past the white one since we got both of these lit up it lit up the white one so it's just a neat design it took me a while to figure that out i was thinking how why can't i light up those pop bumpers it tells you down here rocket colors matched light up corresponding colored targets hitting the left targets when lit opens the left gate hitting the right targets when lit opens the right gate so now you've got the ball pretty much saved except for the middle. What a cool design. Just creative and unique. At the time they were doing this with every freaking game. Not Chicago Coin, just everybody. About every game that came out had some unique little thing where on this one you got to line up the two colors to get things to light up or whatever. I always thought that was really cool how they would come up with a never ending stream of quirky little design ideas for it. all right we'll play a quick game i played a four-player game so let me make sure everything resets yes so it looked like our main problem was um that uh well two switches i guess it ended up being right see the ball in play down here i got saved by the gate did you see that i got saved by the gate again what a cool feature look all the uh pop bumpers are on all the lights are on we worked all the way through it i'm about to say the gate doesn't reset but it does it's a cool game i think um it's one of those you never hear anybody that's clamoring to get this particular title or anything it's just one of those ones that you don't hear about very often but it's well designed and fun oh and we may or may not be level people so said put the pitchforks down i know how y'all get about oh it's a drain monster also keep in mind too that you're better at playing than i am so it wouldn't do this to you Look how the lights, depending on what you hit, you can only turn on certain things if you don't get the other light to move. So you've got to get stuff on the left side of the play field to get that one moving and stuff on the right side of the play field to get that one moving. Personally, I think the flippers are very strong. I think Rodney said he didn't get to play it much, though, after we did that. All right, let's try another game just to make sure. Everything is resetting. There is a match, by the way. The number that time was 5. Ball in play one. So see, we're on both blues, so it gave us that. Oh, I was playing with it too much. Sometimes when you're trying to do trick stuff with the ball, it screws y'all up. It's fairly flat, but I think Rodney had it adjusted that way. I'd probably hike it up a little more. He wanted to make sure that the flippers were nice and strong. So I think he put it kind of flat so that it doesn't have as much of an incline, so the ball doesn't roll as fast, so the flippers can't... The flippers don't have to fight an incline to get it back up the hill. folks that's the way the cookie crumbles cool game all right so we will add this to our moonshot playlist so if you don't know about that we've mentioned it on a bunch of videos now but we have went through and painstakingly made all kinds of playlists of all of our arcade games and pinball machines and tried to put them in all of the playlists that they belong in so for instance this one is in just a generic one vintage pinball machines we've repaired it's also in one that's called repairing a Chicago Coin Moonshot pinball machine isn't it great and then there's another one that's like repairing Chicago Coin, Chicago Coin uh pinball machines and then there's another one 1970s EM pinball machines so there's like all these different um uh playlists that everything sorts into depending on what the game is basically it's like it's almost like keywords you know so we're making it where if if there's a certain thing that you're interested in perhaps you love the old Chicago Coin games there's a playlist just for that and this will be in it so make sure to check that out on our channel and we will see you on the next video we've got this Popeye over here in the corner ominously looking at us in the darkness Popeye is coming up soon so we'll see you back for that soon until then have a good weekend