Ties, Trouble & Total Embarrassment?|NFC B-EAST

What up, my friends, and welcome back to another episode of NFC Beast. I, of course, am your host, Chad Ricardo, and we've got an esteemed panel of guests joining us again here today. Of course, in New York, it's the Lou Albanese in the building. Down there in Dallas, we've got Ethan speaking for the Cowboys. And in Philadelphia, the one and only Breeland is here as well. Breeland, Breeland, you look so sad today, Breeland, but we will see whether we can cheer you up uh what a week that it was in the NFC East this was actually a week in which no teams in the NFC East walked away with the victory which is hard to do when two of those teams played each other so let's begin this conversation in Washington of course we know that the game a 27 to 27 tie between the Washington Commanders and the New York Giants the question is when is a tie a loss it is when you are the Washington Commanders so Breeland i'm going to come to you Your team had just gotten over a devastating loss in their own regard. What did that loss say about the Washington Commanders? First of all, I just want to start off by saying I thought I was going to come in here and just get roasted today, but guess what? It is a really bad week in this division and indicative of how bad this division is, in my opinion, when all four play, two of them play each other, and there's nobody that wins. Okay, so it was just a tough week for the division in total. But for Washington, I mean, you had the game right there, and what happened? Sure. Did it just space out? Like, was it the final play there? I don't really understand what occurred. I mean, that's unbelievable. And, I mean, Micah Parsons is like, Jayden Daniels cost my guy Dan Quinn the game. I think it was a group effort here. But, yeah, I mean, this team is a mess, and just that absolute mental lapse there in overtime, that is unacceptable, Chad. Sure. And to Micah Parsons, dear Micah, number one, you should be concerned about yourself. Maybe you should be getting back onto the field because there was a trade package given up for you, a bountiful trade package given up, and you're hardly on the field. So will you worry about getting back on the field and helping those Green Bay Packers? But what I will say about this loss is I do believe that this is a tie. This is a tie that hurts this team far more than in the standings. I believe that this is the type of game that can cause a fracture, and I'm not saying that it is thus far, but it is the type of game that can cause a fracture, that can cause some trust issues to begin to arise. I do want to give Dan Quinn all the credit in the world because he stood up directly after that game and then every time that he has hit a mic since then and he is taking full blame, full accountability for it, says that it starts top down. However, I'm going to give a majority of the blame to one Jaden Daniels. In that play, I know this is your third year, bro, but you came in after playing five years in college. You know clock management better than that. The one thing you cannot do in that situation is take a sack, and that is what Jaden Daniels did. So, Micah, you should worry about you, but for those here in Washington, D.C., I think that maybe for the first time they're looking at Jaden Daniels with a bit of a negative lens. We'll flip the switch and go over to the other side because obviously the New York Giants walked away with the tie as well. But, Lou, this felt like a bit of a win for the Giants because they snatched that tie out of the jaws of defeat there. So what did the way that the Giants played on Sunday say about New York? Well, I think about the Giants play was they were down. They looked like they were out. And they came back again for the second straight week. And that's a great sign for the Giants. They made a lot of mistakes. Scadaboo cannot fumble in that situation. The kicker misses three kicks. Can we stop with this garbage with the kicks? We never have a kicker in New York. It's amazing to me. But again, and this is, again, I always point to John Harbaugh, another game where they didn't quit. They stayed in it. Winston hit some big touchdown passes to get us to overtime. they were in the game and then they got a gift and it was a gift Jayden Daniels wrapped it up what a great gift i really want to and you mentioned Jameis a moment ago but i i really want to like pin down on that there Jameis looked absolutely horrible in that first half and so much so that i think that fans from all over uh who root for New York were clamoring for JJ McCarthy which we'll talk about that a little bit later on but the way that Jameis Winston played in that second half you would talk about a Jameis Winston experience that was everything that New York Giants fans could hope for to see for the rest of the season and beyond out of Jameis I agree but you just never know I mean that fourth quarter he was spectacular and the first and second quarter he was horrendous and you never know what you're gonna get with this guy he's like the Forrest Gump of the NFC East you just never know the box of Jork was there it is good Jameis bad Jameis uh okay Hey, Jameis, turnover Jameis, touchdown Jameis. Take your choice. I have no idea what he's going to be. So, I mean, look, they've got a tie. They're still in first place. And we'll see what happens against New Orleans. And New York Giants now a game and a half up in the NFC East. I think that few, if any, figured that they would be there. Now, a team, surprisingly, that has lost three games in a row. That's right, Breland. It is time to come to you right now. The Philadelphia Eagles with their third consecutive loss. The question is, are the Eagles cooked? I mean, they have suffered these multiple defeats and they're struggling to get it done in multiple facets. Talk to me about your birds. So I'm going to say I've covered the NFL for 11 seasons now and I've been with three different teams and I have never in my life covered a team that has an injury issue the way that this Eagles team does. that being said and we'll get to that in a hot minute the way that they lost that game against Jacksonville is just completely unacceptable I mean you want to talk about clock management first of all why did you have no running back so I do understand that you got a practice squad guy as RB1 right now but I still don't understand why you don't run some clock off before Jake Elliott kicks and then after why don't you kick the ball in the back of the end I mean it just made no sense and it was a devastating loss for this team especially when your defense played lights out the entire time it just it was a real disappointing um showing in in London rather against Jacksonville, but that being said I think my main concern is the injury issue, I mean we talk about in the NFL the next man up mentality, there are no men that are next up at this point, Damian Pierce was on the practice squad a week ago and now he is your starting running back because Saquon Barkley not practicing right now, Tank Bigsby is on injured reserve and Will Shipley is now out for a few weeks, I mean this is this is something I've never quite seen before, the offensive line is absolutely in shambles now, good thing today Landon Dickerson was at practice and was in pads so that's an excellent sign for this line but my goodness, I I just I don't know how you really get a ton done um with this offense looking the way that it does however they had the game right there even with the offense looking like it does and they still can close it out, I don't know I don't know guys, and despite three consecutive losses with the way that the NFC East is going this thing is still wide open, Lou again we ain't done we've been waiting to have these conversations for three years, Lou Albanese in which we can all poke fun at Breland Moore here she spoke about some questionable decisions that were made Nick Sirianni, not exactly your favorite person What was your take on that game? Oh, it was like the greatest ending ever to watch Nick Sirianni just blow a game Oh, come on This was like a dream come true Oh, he's such a bad coach. I know he's got a Super Bowl, and I know he's going to get that But even the fans in Philly are going to start to feel like, hey, little Nick might not be the golden boy anymore. He's not a good coach. He doesn't handle the team properly. I'm sorry. I know they have a lot of injuries. I don't disagree with that. Everyone has injuries. Eagles have been devastated. The 49ers are the most injured team in the history of the NFL in the last five years, and they're always in the race. There is something wrong with Nick. He's not a leader. He's lucky he has strong offensive and defense coordinator. The year they won the Super Bowl Jalen Hurts does not look like the same quarterback, and he better watch out because I think, at least from New York, I think Nick can lose that team real fast. All right, Breland, we're going to give you a moment to get back in there and answer some of those allegations that Lou is hurling from up there in New York in just a moment. NFC Beasts just getting started. We roll on after this. Welcome back to NFC Beasts. It's now time to play a game of more or less. This conversation is going to begin in New York again. Lou, the Giants, 3-1-1, but one of the wrinkles that we saw last week was, for the first time, was J.J. McCarthy packages. J.J. came in and ran RPOs. He came in, he threw a screen pass or two. I don't know that he had a net total positive yards out there. So, Lou, do you want to see more or less J.J. McCarthy packages this week? I don't know. I'm going to say less. I want less because, I mean, he did absolutely nothing in those plays. And, you know, Jonathan Vilma was doing the game for Fox, and he made a point. This was after he called him Jackson Dart, by the way. So his offense was kind of like Matt Nagy, and they made an offense for Jackson Dart, and now they're trying to run these same plays. They ran for Jackson Dart. I would think that's so confusing for the offensive line, the offense. stop overthinking either winston's your quarterback or mccarthy's your quarterback you can't have this movement of it's ridiculous this isn't cordell stewart going out and coming in for these things it never works it never works stay with Winston and until he completely implodes which you know is coming Lou I got to agree with you bro i mean i i think to double down on that what you saw in a couple of those plays is that when they went to bring Jameis back in the offense was number one out of sync, but they also got a penalty on one of those plays with attempting to rotate the two back in. Breland, is there ever a situation, I know years ago when Mike Vick was in Philly that you all did a little bit of things like this. Is there ever a situation where you want to see two quarterbacks running in and out? No, not usually. I'll agree with Lou. They need consistency back there, and I think you just ride with Jameis until the wheels come off, which probably will be right around the corner here luckily they have a really great matchup this saints defense is really bad i mean remember they made Kyler Murray look like a qualified QB1 here um so hopefully they have a little bit of an easier time because they have one of the worst defenses in the league you know this week so um we'll see how they do this week but yeah i don't i don't like the dual quarterback situation just go with one i'm gonna go with the bold proclamation here and And Breland and Lou, neither of you might agree with me, but I believe in Jameis Winston. I believe in Jameis Winston. I think he's going to lead this team to 10 wins this season. Put me on that Jameis Winston bandwagon, even though I might be one of the few people who are on it. We'll see. All right, Breeland, more or less coming to you now. Very, very few. Very few, says Lou. Coming to you now, Breland, more or less commitment to that Eagles rushing attack. You talked about it down to the practice squad leader of the squad. Does the team need to still keep hammering away? We don't have running backs to run the ball. How are we going to commit to the run game when we don't have a running back? We've got Damian Pierce and Carson Steele again to practice squad. Guys, that is your running back committee right now. That's your running back room. this is we we need uh we need some sort of experimental treatment or something to start healing some of these guys but yeah i don't really know what to do with the Eagles offense when you have no offense however i will say our tight end group is starting to be uh i don't know what this does for anybody but the tight end group is up here we've got dallas goddard grant calcaterra Eli Sowers. They're all practicing. Dallas obviously returned to play in London. So there's that. I don't know. That's all I got. Zach Ertz made his way out there in London as well for the Philadelphia Eagles. So Lou, I think that for Philadelphia Eagles fans, the question is is Jalen Hurts good enough as a dropback quarterback to go out there and win the game if the Eagles don't stay committed, if they don't have a rushing attack you know it's scary because he's not running the ball at all and that's really his strength he creates plays when he's running the ball i don't know he's not a drop back quarterback he had a great super bowl but play but to be fair considering the amount of points they put up against the chiefs that game i think you and i could have probably scored two or three touchdowns but overall he does things with his legs and he needs to have that back he's not running the ball he's not he just he's looking he's he seems unsure the little bit that i've seen of him and i'm not sure he's a dropback quarterback he's got to go back to playing the way he was playing when they were winning effectively running and passing in the mixture of the two and getting the play action and everything else that he does that's when he's at his best all right we're gonna let you all back pressure rate is the highest in the league and the blitz is the second he has no line he has no protection he can't run more of a reason more of a reason for him to run but more of the reason to run because if they're coming at you run don't stand there run i mean they should be doing more plays for him to move no but they should be creating more plays for him they should be making more back and forth they seem to like taking the ball away from him and they got more of a stagnant offense i think i don't see every player i'm not gonna lie to you i'm watching the giants and for the first time i don't actually not turn the tv off this is the first year in like 10 the bottom line is the offense seems stale it just seems stale to me Breland you get the last word i mean we don't have we don't have anyone on offense period um and the average age of the offensive line at this point is 12 because they're all like inexperienced players we are so cooked we need guys to get healthy well i think everyone else on this panel would be super pleased that the philadelphia eagles continue to spiral here and open up the NFC East for everyone else. Speaking of spiraling, I want to let you all behind the curtain here just a little bit. Our Dallas correspondent, Ethan Herrera, we're unable to go to him right now, but we're going to do this for you, Ethan. So the more or less for Dallas as they are bringing in a special assistant for the defensive coordinator, Christian Parker here. Christian Parker moving up to the booth to call plays moving forward. So, do we want more or less of bringing in veteran help for struggling defensive coordinator Breland? Less, obviously. I want Christian Parker to continue to do his job. There we go. Just the way he's been doing it. There we go. It's atrocious down there. Which he's not doing. It's great. Keep it going. I love to see it. Which is a disaster. There you go. The Eagles don't have an offense. Dallas doesn't have a defense. Lou, your thoughts? You know, obviously he must be an eagle plant. That's why he went down to Dallas. That's it. I'm going to destroy his defense for you. Don't worry. No matter how much you have, of all your problems, I'm going to take care of Dallas. We're going to ruin Jerry's world. We're going to implode it. He is an eagle plant because there's no other reason I can imagine this guy running the defense. It makes no sense. I just hope for his sake and his career this isn't actually the real Christian Parker, because this is so bad, I am getting word in my IFB here and I hear that we have Ethan Ethan is ready to join the conversation, your thoughts on your embarrassing team and defensive coordinator Parker, all right, first off, I mean you think I was gonna let y'all sit there and talk all this mess about the Cowboys but you know, just right in front of me this whole time, not a chance all right, Christian Parker's got some work to do, Dallas has some work to do But Peten's a great pickup. He was an NFC North troubadour all over the place. Packers, Bears, Vikings, under Brian Flores. This guy has been in the league for a long time. He's going to help. Christian Parker has the tools in terms of the talent on the field. He's got to put it together. Give him a little bit of time. First year at D.C. Depends on what Jerry Jones wants to do. I know he's always saying go all in. He's always wanted to go all in. But, you know, it's going to take a little time. I'm not saying they're going to win the Super Bowl. But you know what? I have them winning the East now, you know, just because hearing all you guys talk about it without me, they're going to come back. Dak's going to play fantastic this weekend, this Sunday night. And I think that they'll come back. I think this defense is going to find it. That's actually the most confidence that Ethan has shown in the Cowboys all season long. So we'll give you credit there. We will end our more or less segment here in Washington, D.C., where last week we posed the question of whether Dan Quinn's seat was getting hot. I got to tell you that after what we saw on Sunday, it has to be on fire as of right now. So the question for myself and all of you, is it more or less patient for the Dan Quinn era in Washington? I'm actually going to start here and tell you that there needs to be more patience for Dan Quinn. Now, I do know, I know that this team has won, I believe, five games out of the last 17, I think. Actually, three games, three victories in the last 17. Jayden Daniels has only completed six games ever since that NFC Championship run, but I think that it's for those reasons. Dan Quinn is a leader of men, but his starting quarterback has not been able to stay on the field. I'm not saying that he deserves another three, four years, but he does deserve the rest of this year to see if he can turn this around. and it began at least one year after that. Lou. When that clock ticked down to zero, that was the end of the line for Mr. Quinn. That one, I think, kind of sealed it. He's kind of done right now. It went tick, tick, tick. I'm watching this game in New York. I'm saying, am I watching this right? That clock is ticking down. Does he know that the clock is ticking down? And then it took a long time for Jane to realize, oh, my God, there may not be enough time to get up and spike the ball. Well, Quinn, I think that was the nail in the coffin. I don't see him surviving that failure. It kind of reminds me of the Joe Pisarcik fumble that was in for that coach and the butt fumble here in New York. You can put that right in there as bonehead play number three. All right, Ethan, you haven't been able to get in here, so weigh in more or less time for Dan Quinn. I think less time than more for sure. It's going to be sooner than later if they can get it. I think he deserves a lot of grace, though, because of the injuries. I think that there's some plays being made by the players on the field that haven't reflected exactly how good Dan Quinn is. Fantastic defensive coordinator. We saw it a little bit down here in Dallas. But he's a great football mind. I think that they've got to make something happen, and coaches are the first to go. So, realistically, I think Dan Quinn's seat is hot. All right. I still believe that the Washington Commanders can potentially turn this around in the season with somewhere between seven to nine victories. It's going to be tough, but we will see how that goes. All right, let's get to our games of the week, and we will begin with Breland and those Philadelphia Eagles. Again, three consecutive losses. Bree taking on Carolina this weekend. What happens? I don't know. Who's playing? I don't even know. You know, like I got to see this injury report. I got to – I don't know. I'm going to say I just can't fathom this Eagles team. Since we've had this show, have they lost four in a row? I don't think – I'm going to go like 23-21 Eagles. And if it doesn't happen, guys, I don't know anymore. Breland is almost at her wits' end again. She sees how the rest of us have felt. Yeah. Breland sees how the rest of us have felt throughout the years we've been doing this show. Ethan, Dallas, your Cowboys need a victory as well. Got to get that taste out of their mouths. Got Green Bay on the schedule. What happens? I mean, this is going to be two high-powered offenses, both secondaries, you know, not very good. Green Bay, a little bit better than the Cowboys, but everybody is. I think this is going to be one of those games like last year, 40-40 tie. Heck, they might tie again and be another tie in the NFC East. You know, I think that the worst part about this season is obviously all of us are having some trouble. You know, we're lucky this isn't the—we're hoping—I was hoping this would be the NFC West, but we're not nearly as good at not even putting them in the same conversation as everything that our teams are doing right now. Aside from Lou, you know, one loss in the first five weeks, good for the Giants. But, no, I think it's going to be a shootout, and I think if they don't get things together, Christian Parker and now Peden, Green Bay and Jordan Love are going to torch them. Breland, going to give you a chance to throw some rocks from your glass house there. What do you see from this Dallas team taking on Green Bay? Yeah, so Green Bay is coming off of a 31-point game, and Jordan Love has had 310 or more yards in three of their last five games. So they can out-shoot this Dallas offense. So what is the problem here? It's the Dallas defense. There's no way. I'm going to go with Green Bay. All right. That's what I like to hear. Lou, your New York Giants a chance to move to 4-1-1. Unbelievable. You got the Saints. Can Jameis, Coach Harbaugh, and this squad actually pull this off? I think they will. I actually think they're going to win this week. Same scenario. They'll struggle in the first half. They'll win the second half. Jameis will be all over the place. But he's still the king of the NFC East. and Jameis will be the guy who leads us to another win and then we squeak it in for another one. Ethan, you hear it. The Giants going to 4-1-1. I think your Cowboys are going to lose as well. Can the Giants open up this huge lead in the NFC East? You know, I heard you earlier, Chad. I'm with you. I think I believe in Jameis Winston. I mean, the guy is definitely a wild card, but I mean, he's been in the league for so long. He threw in a 30-30 season one year. He's thrown 30 touchdowns in a single season before with a bad Tampa Bay team. Now he's got a slightly better New York Giant team. You know what? I actually believe they're going to win.