Nolan Wells Case: No Criminal Charges to Be Filed | The TMZ Podcast

Welcome to the TMZ podcast. Devin here with Courtney. Hi, it's been so long. I know, I feel like we never really get together anymore. No, it hasn't been the whole month of September. It's kind of a rare occurrence that we get to sit down together. I know, I'm missing it. I know, I know there's- You can do it more often. Seriously, it's just so busy and there's been a lot going on. Harvey's on vacation. A lot of people are on vacation. Yeah, we have a new YouTube show out that I've been doing, so it's just been a lot. Shout out to the lowdown, correct? Yes. Okay, cool. So really heavy news this morning that we'll get into. So we're back on the Nolan Wells investigation. So it was determined that no criminal charges are going to be filed and the death was ruled consistent with the drowning. So obviously, Ben Crump is not very happy about that. So we'll get into what they said about the investigation as well as his comments. It actually literally just broke what, like- Yes. No, I'm saying this next story. Oh, yeah. 10 minutes ago, Hayden Panettiere, her cause of death was revealed by the coroner out in South Carolina. They revealed what the toxicology report said and what was found in her system and ultimately what killed her. So we will get into that. Yes. And then finally, to continue on the trend of very kind of upsetting news, we'll get into some updates we have on the Presley Gerber situation. We obviously broke a lot of stories on the website yesterday about the circumstances of his death and basically, we'll talk a little bit about basically what his state was going into this rehab facility. Yeah, you guys talked to someone about it. That was- Yeah. Going into this rehab in Santa Monica. Yeah. Okay. So Nolan Wells. So everyone's been waiting for answers. Instead of keep waiting, stop just like speculating. Yeah, let the investigation play its course. And they finally released some findings last night. Yeah. So his death was determined to be consistent with drowning, is what the state medical examiner is saying. This is the thing that's gonna trigger a lot of people is that they ultimately ruled his manner of death undetermined. Yes, I know. So they didn't have enough evidence clearly to determine what actually killed him, which is gonna leave everyone wondering. Well, there's a lot of questions still unanswered. Tons of questions. And also, what was revealed was that we had talked about this grand jury had convened and they'd been meeting for months, looking over the evidence. It was 13 men and 10 women. That's a big grand jury. It's a big jury. And they started on April 20th and now what, it's September. So, I mean, they've been going over this for quite some time. And they concluded he didn't have cocaine in his system. That was a bunch of rumors. And ultimately that the bruising that was found on the back of his neck that Ben Crump, when they had that big press conference revealed that it was not consistent with like a fatal injury. No. Well, even Ben Crump, when he gave his press conference, he said that that on the back of the head can also just be from you laying on. Laying on the table during the, while they're performing the autopsy. So the grand jury basically found that at the time and discovery and the location of his body, it was consistent with drowning. And they also said there was absolutely no evidence supporting claims that his death was racially motivated. And obviously that's been a big talking point of this case as well. Do we know, because the coroner is now wrapped and has said this. Then remember also during the press conference, Ben Crump said that they didn't have a lot of, they couldn't get a lot of like the body parts that they wanted to test. Like the kidneys, the lungs and everything, because they were with the coroner and that he wanted to test them after that coroner was concluded. They wanted their person to also test it. Do we know if that transfer is going to happen yet? I'm sure we'll find out. I'm sure Ben Crump is still going to push through. If it hasn't happened already. The biggest thing though, was that the grand jury, I didn't know what this was, but they returned a no true bill, which basically meant they felt like no one was responsible for his death, which obviously vindicates all of his friends and all these people that have been blamed for possibly having something to do with it or look in the other way, whatever, but. It's so crazy that more hasn't come out about it. It just felt like his final moments and the last people that have that solid moment on the beach because someone was there and there were so many people. So the story just, it doesn't feel like it is concluded, even though they're saying that there are, there still feels like there's so much more information, but maybe that his parents have got, and that's really all that matters if they got the answers that they wanted. Yeah, so I don't think we've heard from his parents. I do know that basically, I mean, like you said, it's like this happened on July 4th and if nothing has come forward publicly since, other than what we reported on, which was a lot of people saying they didn't know what happened, I didn't feel like there was gonna be someone who was gonna come forward now all this time later and say they knew what happened or saw something or a video or what have you. So do you wanna get into, Ben Crump obviously was not happy. No, of course he's not. I wanna say exactly what he said. Yeah, no, he was obviously not happy with the findings. He's challenging, which we all knew that he would get. He was like, without getting to the bottom of what caused the blunt force trauma to the back of the head and body, how can you really conclude anything? And he's going to continue it because he feels like the Mississippi and everyone's not doing it, they're hiding something. And he knew that that's what he would do and I feel like even if there was a solid answer to what had happened, Ben Crump still would question it because he's been questioning the law enforcement down there and the entire process the entire time. For sure and unfortunately, like I said at the top, it's like we have some answers. A jury looked over all the evidence, didn't find anyone else responsible. They are saying that it seems that he, it was consistent with a drowning. But the whole undetermined thing is gonna really not close the door on any of this. It does, because it's been since July that this unfortunate incident happened. So it's like, what do you mean undetermined? I feel like it was undetermined back in July. So how doing all of this testing, can you not find an actual cause of death? I mean, I'm not a medical examiner, I mean, but. No, but we've seen a lot of people from that have died of drowning before and it's been concluded drowning. So why is this one not concluded drowning? Yeah, that's a good point that I don't have an answer for. Yeah, it's gonna leave so many people still questioning it. Yeah, so this kind of saga is gonna continue on because I feel like that whole undetermined thing is not gonna sit well with a lot of his family members, his supporters, people who have questions. Who knows, his family has been waiting for these answers and that's undetermined? Yeah, yeah, it's, yeah. Like, you just want one or the other, because they still can't get peace of mind. Yeah, true. And that's what's really unfortunate. They already lost their son, but to now to know there's no full conclusion, it's a never ending saga for them, which is terrible. Totally, okay, so moving on to another, well, a really tragic story and big story that we covered this year. Hayden Pantier, cause of death revealed. So, like I said, right before we came in here, the Greenville County coroner put out a little blurb. Basically, it was a press release saying her manner of death was ruled an accident and the toxicology and, well, the big thing is they said she died from fentanyl overdose, which is what a lot of us, a lot of people had suspected. They found four AN, this is not gonna go well, four ANPP, which I think has something to do with fentanyl when I looked it up, alprazolam, methicarbamol, and q-tipin, that was horrible, sorry guys. Hey, you did better than me. I'm not a pharmacist, but. Do we know, cause I remember a few weeks ago, you guys also broke the story that Hayden Pantier flew from LA to South Carolina with these pills that had fentanyl in them, so are those the pills that she got from the Postmates person that they said that her. We don't know that. Obviously, the investigators are still gonna definitely be looking into how she obtained the pills and the drug dealers, but yeah, this lines up with the fact that we were told that officials believe she took an oxycodone pill that was laced with fentanyl, which this kinda all lines up. The other stuff that I mentioned that I totally butchered the names on was like a generic Xanax, a muscle relaxer, and another drug that was used to treat bipolar, schizophrenia, and major depression, so those weren't the, that was just what was found in her system, but it was the actual fentanyl that killed her. And do we know what actual prescriptions she had? They don't release any of that. We reached back out to the coroner. They're basically kicking it all over to law enforcement, saying that this is all we're gonna be putting out, but yeah, so I mean, this is kind of, it's just another sad case of fentanyl taking someone at way too young of an age, and it's just really sad. It's just really scary and sad, and it's just a epidemic in our country right now. It's just so sad, because she was so open with her struggles, and she wanted to get better. She told everything in her book, and it's just very, I don't know, the whole thing's just heartbreaking. It is, and the thing with fentanyl that, I mean, I think people understand now, early on I feel like they didn't understand, is the majority of people that die of fentanyl don't think they're taking fentanyl. No. Like, they're taking other drugs that are laced with fentanyl, and then you take that, and then you pass away. It's very scary. And it's just horrific, so yeah, I mean, I don't know how much more is gonna come out. I mean, obviously where this story goes is who supplied her with the drugs that were laced with fentanyl, and I would be, in today's day and age, with phones, and text messages, and Venmo, and all the traces of how cops are able to track these people down, I would be stunned if someone isn't arrested shortly. No, it feels very similar to Mac Miller. Oh, same thing. I mean, Mac Miller, I mean, it happens all the time. Obviously, these are our public figures, so these are the ones we know about, but it's the exact same thing with Mac Miller. He took a pill, he thought, it was a, whatever it was, I think it was Oxy as well, and it ended up having fentanyl in it, and this seems like a very similar situation, and very sad. Yeah, and we know that she traveled to LA with Brian, so what does this also mean for Brian? That's a good question. I mean, he's, it seems like he's being pretty cooperative with cops, and it's, and I mean, they told cops, and I think publicly they stated that Brian was the one who actually found her, and tried to perform, or give her the Narcan, and obviously, unfortunately, it was too late, so. Yeah, I don't know what it says for him, because if she got drugs, you know, I don't know if he's, has any responsibility if she got drugs from a drug dealer, or if he was the one who got the drugs, who knows? Yeah, again, not law enforcement, don't have no idea how this works. Yeah, so they will obviously be digging into who supplied her the fentanyl. This next story is very shocking to me. Yeah, another super heavy story. Presley Gerber, he appeared under the influence when he checked into the rehab, but the thing that's shocking to me, he checked in on Saturday, and he passed away on Sunday, so the fact that he checked in about 24 hours before he passed away was so surprising to me. Yeah, I mean, another super sad story, obviously only 27, so yeah, basically, what we're being told is he checked into this, it's almost like a halfway house rehab in Santa Monica, and like you said, he checked in on Saturday. Did not appear sober. And from our sources are being told that, we're being told that, yeah, like you said, he just, he basically looked under the influence of something. Yeah. Which to me isn't very shocking. I know some people on the outside are like, sorry, are like, that's shocking, but it's like a lot of, I feel like a lot of times you'll see addicts or people who are struggling, you know, they'll finally, you know, hit rock bottom or decide, you know, I need to get help, and they'll just be like, all right, I'm gonna have one more wild night. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna go super hard because this is the last time I'm gonna be doing whatever I'm doing, and then I'm gonna, you know, get my mind right and get my life together. But what we don't know is if he went in under the influence, if that's ultimately what killed him, we don't know if he got drugs while he was in the rehab facility, and then that's what killed him. That all is unclear. But was something fast, because he checked in Saturday night. We're not exactly sure what time Saturday night, correct? No, we don't know the exact time. But the call came in at 9.30. So you would assume, obviously, they're living in this rehab facility with, you know, multiple people. I would assume he went to bed, and then clearly someone found him in the morning at, you know, 9.30, and then that's when they called cops, and at that point, obviously, they weren't able to resuscitate him. So yeah, I mean, obviously, this is a guy who struggled with his sobriety, was very open about it, was very open about his mental health, which is kind of rare in today's day and age, especially for guys. So yeah, super sad. And I mean, just another example of, like, I mean, it's crazy that, like, the drug epidemic in this country is so bad, and you look at people like, you know, it doesn't, it affects everyone. Like, I mean, Presley Gerber is the son of Randy Gerber and Cindy Crawford, like, two of the biggest celebrities in the world. They have all the money, all the resources, and he still wasn't able to clearly get a handle on, you know, whatever demons he had. It's so sad. So super, super sad. Obviously, we will be, I'm sure, breaking more stories and kind of figuring out what exactly happened with Presley Gerber today, but yeah, I think that's it for us, right? The time we do have for comments, everybody is pointing out that they don't trust the state of Mississippi and the findings. Well, that's what's gonna happen. That's the undetermined thing. And everyone thought this was, also, them coming out and being like, the jury concluded the race did not play a part in this and all that. I just feel like people, if you think this is a race issue, you aren't gonna be, your mind isn't gonna be changed by what was released yesterday. Well, my whole thing is, we've seen drowning before marked as the reason of cause of death. So I don't understand how this- Because I think a medical examiner can go in and then they can see, obviously, like the, again, I'm- But were there was water found in the lungs? Were waters found in the lungs, but I think maybe they just couldn't determine if something had happened to him before. I mean, that's the only thing, and I don't know how long it took for them to find his body. I know that sometimes can play a part in the accuracy of them determining actually what killed someone. But yeah, I mean, this is gonna be- No, the story's definitely not gonna wait a whole while. Stary is definitely not, a hundred percent. Yeah, a hundred percent. All right, guys. Well, it was good to be back with you, Courtney. Yes, thank you. Yeah, hopefully- Hopefully tomorrow. Hopefully tomorrow we'll have good stories, but also a little bit lighter, lighter of news. But anyways, we will talk to you guys tomorrow.