Amy Griffin: The Interview With Amarillo PD!

We're long overdue on an Amy Griffin update. And if you've been following the Amy Griffin story with me, um, she is the woman who wrote the book, the tell, which was a very popular memoir, uh, supported by Oprah and Gwyneth and all her friends. It was promoted all over the place. It was a New York times bestseller. She's in a couple of lawsuits now, one that she's the plaintiff, one where she's the defendant, uh, with a woman who says, no, everything you write about in the tell the main story of you being sexually assaulted and raped as a middle school girl by a teacher is, is the crux of that happened to me. And you described someone in the book that is me. And now you claim that it is not me. And she's got herself in these, in these lawsuits. So it's, it's, it's my journey with this, this story, uh, frankly sucks. I, I don't enjoy it. Okay. You do want an update. All right. What the hell we'll go. Let's do it. I hate this story. I can't stand. I stumbled into it. Um, because when I read, Oh my God, this billionaire woman whose husband is a $6 billion tiger cub, like bad-ass hedge fund, bro, billions of dollars. Wait, there's a woman suing her because she says she stole her story. This is incredible. I talked about it and I reached out to the lawyer who represents Jane Doe and, uh, the Jane Doe suing Amy Griffin. He got back to me and he agreed to come on the show. And he did. I was like, Oh my God, this is amazing. Then I find out just being real here that I kind of know so-and-so who knows Amy. And I know a few, I know a lot of people who know Amy and everyone says, Amy's lovely. Like the nicest person in the world. So like for my own, like, it's just, but we're in this thing. And frankly, in the end, what drives me and my curiosity keeps this story afloat for me is the fact that three men's lives have been ruined a childhood neighbor down the street who she says abused her when she was eight, uh, a guy who she says abused her when she was 20 studying abroad while in college. And then this teacher, the centerpiece of the whole scandal is a middle school teacher who violently, violently, violently attacked, assaulted and raped her when she was 12 and 13 and 14, the last one being when she was 16. It's very hard to imagine that four years later, if you say another person raped you, it wouldn't trigger at least a memory from only four years prior at all. She says when she was 45 years old or later in life in 2020, all of it came flooding back because of MDMA psychedelic assisted therapy, which helped recover all of these memories and reconstruct all of these memories. It's like, it's just, it's, it's really hard to, to fathom, but, um, by the way, I had a dream, I had a dream about her and her husband that her husband came after me. He was like really mad. I'm like, it's not me guy. Um, but everyone says she's nice. The thing is it's, she's going to have to prove this. She's, she's a billionaire, um, which makes inherently makes her not like other people. Okay. Being a billionaire comes with scrutiny. Um, people don't gravitate and be like, Oh my God, I'm so happy for you that you have more money than God. Um, but what I find from everyone is that she that knows her is that she believes it a hundred percent. Um, there was a story that was supposed to come out. I talked about it this summer. And if you were with me, you'll remember, there was a journalist friend guy. I know became friends with who had prepared a five part series on this in a major publication. It got delayed three or four times. It has since been killed. They're no longer. And I'm saying, wow, well, that publication is being sold to a bigger company and there's a big investment firm behind it. Is there a limited partnership that maybe the Griffins are involved in? What is going on here? But this thing, you pay a writer, you hire a journalist and he works on this for over a month. You push it three times and then it's gone. Something's going on here. No question. So that's finished. Um, there is coming out a week from today. I believe another article. There is a, a major piece and this is interesting. It'll be in New York magazine. I texted with the writer. I wanted to come on and promote it here. But, uh, Amy is participating in that article. From what I understand, she sat down for an interview. So did Jane Doe who Amy outed in her federal suit as Jolene, the girl who says it's her experience that Amy writes about stolen valor, basically, uh, Jolene and a woman named Claudia, who Amy says is the real Claudia. So Amy writes in her book about this young girl that she felt connected to in school and thought that something may have happened to her too, by the same teacher. And she writes and describes her. And the way she describes her is 100% 10 out of 10 Jolene, this young woman, blunt cut bangs. She was living in a foster care home. She was driven to school in a white van by staff. That's only one person in the eighth grade class. Okay. That's this woman Jolene who's suing her. But she says, no, no, no, no. It's, it's, it's this other person. I've communicated with this other person. The one that Amy says is real Claudia. And she said, I'm never talking, but she is talking in this magazine piece. So you got Amy, you got Jolene, and you got real Claudia as Amy would would say now real Claudia, interestingly, is the only person major. I mean, she's does not have an affidavit in all of this, but apparently she's going to talk in this article. Amy Griffin would not be involved in this magazine article if she did not believe this was going to be leaning her way in the narrative, which would surprise me because New York magazine isn't really known for fluff pieces. You know what I mean? Like they do. I had once, I know a lot about this. I once had Esquire magazine with me for four days. And way back in the day, they were making me one of Esquire's 10 men of consequence. And I was like, Ooh, they want me. Okay. Wow. I was asking wild questions on a red carpet. I was a younger man. Anyway, the guy was with me for four days. I thought it was going to be the greatest fluff piece ever. I read it. And I was like, Ooh, Jesus. Ow. Ooh, that hurts. Oh, am I really like that? Oh my God. Now I'm insecure. They've undone me. So I don't know. And that's so much pressure on the writer because it's almost like damned. If you do damned, if you don't, right. I mean, if they write a fluff piece on Amy, the Griffins are happy and you know, everything's good. If you are extra harsh, um, you know, then, then they feel like they were hoodwinked by you. Uh, I think this writer used to work at the New York times. So she may be friends or no, the original investigative writer for the New York times who did the piece on Amy Griffin that started all of this potential backlash and scrutiny. And that's Katie Rossman who has totally disappeared. Don't know where she is. And Liz Egan, they are dead silent, not a word from them. So big confusion here about the media in all of this, where the hell are they? Everyone's worthy. They're terrified. Um, and the literati, all the people that promoted it, they want nothing to do with the fallout after hyping the rollout. Um, look the best as I can tell is Amy's either Looney tunes or she is the survivor, actual survivor of the worst, most awful thing as a child and worthy of our deepest sympathy, right? He believes that this, she's not backing away from this and her story, the way she lays it out is so far beyond the horror of Jolene's story. Jolene, the woman suing her is like, she was at a dance. We interviewed the kid who took her to the dance. He's now a grown man. We interviewed him. Um, they went to the dance together. She disappeared with this other teacher who's a gym teacher. And a year later he left the community. He ran away. He's gone. She came back this, you know, disheveled. She told her date, William Brian Jennings, who we interviewed and is up on our site. You know what happened that there was a sexual thing that happened with the teacher. The teachers left the community. That's her story. All of that is right. Terrible. But Amy's story is seven different detailed assaults and rapes and dragging of hair across the floor and smashing her face into a wall in the bathroom and tying her hands behind her back and making her, you know, defiling her mouth with his genitals. And like, I mean, you couldn't, you cannot all in broad daylight, all on school grounds. Her mother reportedly PTA mom early for every event, like all over it in the community. Her father, one of the biggest business successes in town. They have a lot of clout in Amarillo, Texas. But anyway, Jolene's is one dance and essay by a gym teacher who disappeared thereafter. Amy is repeated violent rapes by a man who remained a teacher and in the community for 30 plus years said things to her. Like, have you had enough? I'll rip your teeth out if you tell your parents like an absolute monster, but he became vice principal. He had a good reputation. He still lives there. This is crazy. So did Amy appropriate one experience of someone else's and build a house of horrors all around it. For more on that, we, we go to this phone call back in like 2023. Amy was interviewed after she had a worldwide famous security firm called Roland Associates do a report in all of Amarillo and track down the teacher and learn as much as they can basically. And they did, they came back with a report. These are, this is a big security and private investigation firm. They came back with very little. They couldn't find much, but to pursue some type of legal action against this teacher, some kind of criminal action. Amy did a phone call with Sergeant Gordon Eatley, who was the investigators, you know, cop on the Amarillo police department force. And with him, she gives very graphic details of the six or seven horrific assaults. The recording of the interview is over two hours long. I listened to the whole thing. You can listen, you can listen to the graphic descriptions of, of the assaults, how Amy, you know, talks about it. It's different from how she narrates it in her audio book, but she talks about the boot, his cowboy boot in the center of her back, the belt buckled head into the wall, all these things. And Sergeant Eatley who's listening to this and talking to her, he's kind of like a, you know, sweet sort of Barney Fife kind of lovely guy, you know, gentle, but like the only member of the literati who interviewed Amy with any type of incredulity, like, huh, Martha Stewart, he definitely had moments of like, I'm not quite following. Here's the first clip. They're talking to each other. He was taken back that all of this is happening in broad daylight on school grounds, in bathrooms and classrooms and you know, places where everyone goes. What time of day was this? Do you know? Always after school for my middle of the school day, because there'd just be so many people present with me to believe the data before or after school. And I was just curious if you could clarify that. No, no, there was never anyone there. I think one of the most, the biggest memories I have of my middle school year, I had asked people growing up, was I the only one that felt that I roamed the school hallways at Stephen F Austin? Because I was there by myself all the time. Was I the only one that felt like, you know, there was never anyone there, but that I was having, she writes all the way throughout her book, by the way. She sort of inoculates the reader, stays ahead of the reader by saying, I know this is crazy. Like how, who would believe something like this? I know. It's unbelievable. So she sort of says that before we can think it out loud. But in the end of the day, it's massive, massive allegations. And again, a family that was very, very all over, like never a bruise on the head. I just feel like if my 12 year old came home, my 13 year old came home from being violently assault. I can't even say the R word. It makes me so sick. Assaulted like that for four years. I at the very least, they're not going to be able to hold themselves together. Like, Hey dad, can I have a little, can you hand me some more Tang, please? You know, I'm going to be, I'm going to say, what's wrong, honey. And at least my ex wife, Sydney, the mother who, you know, women's intuition, there's no way she's going to say, what's something's off. Are you okay? What's going on? But you get that bruise on your head. Something. All right. Second part of the conversation with Sergeant Gordon Eatley here is we're talking about, um, he's defiles her like at, at a sink, but again, more confusion by the Sarge. And then I remember him at one point in time, pushing my head in the sink, in the water. And I seem to remember it was after oral sex. He stood behind me, pushing my head forward into the sink. And I can feel the push on my back of my head towards the water. And I'm on my knees. Um, or I think I'm on my knees. I just know that my head's kind of leaning forward into the sink. And I'm scared. Was it a sink or was it a toilet? It was a sink. I asked because if you said, I'm trying not to be graphic, but if you said you were on your knees at 12, unless you were a very tall 12 year old. Yeah. Maybe I was standing. I don't, I just know my, I'm hunched over. And I'm going towards the sink. He's lovely. This guy, he's like, okay. Yeah. I'm just saying, you know, if you're on your knees at a sink, you're up and you're 12 feet. And she is tall and she's, she's six feet now. Um, but, uh, you know, he's doing his best with this again. Like just, we're almost dealing with two different things. Now you go back to the lawsuit. I have a whole, I'm going to get to the theory first. Let me give you the final piece of audio here. Okay. This is where Sergeant Eatley, you know, nails a big issue on the head here. The greatest source of people's incredulousness, um, inability to believe this thing, lock stock and barrel is he mentions like, there's no way you were the only one. I mean, there's this, I'll tell you one thing's for sure. If he did all this to you in broad daylight, believe me, this horrible monster of a man, he left some type of trail behind him because like we've said before, you'd have to unlearn everything you've ever been told about a child's sexual predator to think it's a one and done thing. I guarantee you, I can almost also guarantee you, you ain't been the only, you've been teaching for that moment. You've been around young girls for that moment. I would be very, very, I would find it very unusual that you were his one and only. I know I'd have a hard time believing that. Um, I've heard, you know, I've heard weird things like through the grapevine, like, Oh yeah, it was a guy that would lay between us. So weird. Remember he was so weird. Remember Mr. And you know, my memory reminds me of, I have horrible, horrible memories of seeing the little slips of paper. Um, this is actually quite important. The little slips of paper that are the notes that were passed to other teachers for him to get me out of class. And again, I don't think, Oh my God. Oh my God. I just forgot. I forgot. There's one other instance. I forgot. It's so important. Um, one more sexual instance that is so important. Okay. There's two things I forgot to mention earlier when she just said it there. Oh, there's one more sexual instance. Hold on. And then when she was talking about the sink, she said it was right after oral sex. I just need to say when you're talking about an assault of a child, you don't say oral sex. When someone says oral sex, that to me sounds like, or any type of sex sounds like there's compliance between two people, right? You know, it's a violent assault. It's an attack on a child. It's an outrage. It's not sex. You can't call it that. Sex suggests, you know, two adults agreeing and enjoying. So I just confused how you could even talk about it like that. Uh, yeah. Another sexual thing. I mean, it's not the word. The word is more violent, more unfathomable and disgusting and terrible. Um, there's plenty of redactions. Those aren't little, you know, your audio isn't failing you and they're not, the tape isn't skipping as we used to say. Um, there's a lot of redactions throughout this, but mostly it's a classroom descriptions and hallway descriptions and bathrooms and you know, um, and, uh, allegedly the teacher's car that's redacted in this video. However, Katie and Casey, who is a, um, who is a content creator, uh, all over this story, she said that she heard the unredacted phone call and, um, apparently the guy drove a Jeep, uh, a CJ five or a CJ seven. And Amy says it was a CJ five or a CJ seven, I believe. And was like, Oh my God, that's so descriptive. And Amy oftentimes relies on her ability to describe a wall or a closet or a door or sunlight coming in as enough evidence that of course this happened. I mean, I can remember what the room looked like. And in this case, she remembers the Jeep. However that information is very clearly reported in the Kroll security private investigation firm report that the man drove a maroon Jeep. It was convertible and it was a CJ five or a CJ seven. All that information is in the Kroll report, which she had already in her possession. So that's problematic. Um, it's going to be interesting how the New York magazine portrays this Claudia character whom Amy says is the real Claudia. And I guess who made me delivered my hunch is that this person has signed an NDA by Amy and probably, um, has is paid because she told me there's no way I'm talking unless I'm subpoenaed. And, uh, this is, uh, this is voluntary. Um, you heard in those clips, Amy has no reluctance in sharing assault details. There is some audible emotion, um, as she takes a deep breath here and there. Uh, the book she wrote says that, you know, memories were recovered via MDMA. The lawsuit, her lawsuit is amended to say that, uh, the memories started to come back before the MDMA took effect. I think that's for legal purposes. Again, no outrage, no mainstream media investigation. New York times has gone silent. Uh, major publication. I'll say it, uh, airmail canceled their five part series. So mystery, mystery, mystery deepens. Um, I'm trying to get the author of this article on for next week when we launch in a brand new studio, uh, about 15 feet from where I'm sitting right now.