Exclusive Interview with Brittany Romano, Lindsay Clancy's Childhood Friend

But it's also not okay to be telling me to slit my wrist. And they sent knives to my apartment. I was doxxed. You're a single girl living in New York. Well, geez, what did she do? She smiled. She winked at the wrong time. Brittany Romano, the girl in the green dress sitting in the gallery. Day 19 of the Lindsay Clancy trial. What was she thinking? Literally. There was a heel moment earlier. I fell. It was kind of funny. We know the cameraman, Richie. Now, she's on the stand. The Honorable Judge Billy Bush presiding. You're doing me, right? Another compliment. Welcome to Hot Mics with Billy Bush. Thanks for being here. Please hit subscribe on our YouTube channel. The jury in the Lindsay Clancy trial is about to issue its verdict on how to bring this paralyzed mother of 36 to justice for the unspeakable crimes of strangling her children. Lindsay was suffering severe mental illness, and depending on which shrink from which hospital you believe, it was bipolar. Bipolar to depression with underlying bipolar. A major depressive disorder. All agree on insomnia and anxiety. The defense experts say without a doubt, she suffered postpartum psychosis and was quite literally out of her mind. The prosecution experts ultimately conclude, yeah, she was mentally unwell, but she deliberately planned to take her own life and being an all controlling mother, she decided to take her kids with her. This trial has become a Rorschach test for all the mental health experts we've gotten to know over three weeks. Very few, in my opinion, have inspired great confidence in the American psychiatric experience. For all of us, it is a litmus test that will determine how we adjust the DSM-5 and better account for and learn how to treat postpartum psychosis. It's not even included now. And this trial has turned into a proxy war over postpartum psychosis itself and how America talks about diagnosis and judges mothers in crisis. Emotions right now are high inside the courtroom. Yeah, and also outside the courtroom. Kevin Reddington continues. Yeah, all eyes are on this trial and with tension elevated three days before closing arguments on day 19, a Monday, the court TV pool camera took a swing through the gallery where families, supporters and media members sit. Something happened and it was astonishing. This girl in the green dress stared right into the lens and playfully smiled and winked and sort of pouted almost like Paris Hilton on a red carpet. Anywhere else at any other time, this would have been met with fire emojis, right? She would have gone viral like hot felon or something. But a mother killed her kids and is on trial for first degree murder. So, right, wrong timing at least. She went viral for sure. But the reaction was enraged, outraged, infuriated, especially from this virtue vigilante demanding Britney's cancellation. He posted a picture of her and Lindsay Clancy together as children back on August 1st. So why in the world would she think that this behavior is appropriate? Not only in the courtroom, but if you claim that you are friends with Britney or know Britney, that is so disgusting. And she goes on to say in her Instagram story that she does not care what we think about her. I'm sorry, but I have never winked or giggled like that to my dad. Your alibi is just about as good as Patrick Clancy's. And if you agree that her behavior is disgusting, contact Vanity Fair today and let them know about your outrage. Well, Vanity Fair did fire her, they say. And they issued a shame-soaked moralistic statement. Quote, yesterday after clear conflicts with our editorial standards. Quote, yesterday after clear conflicts with our editorial standards and processes, we informed Romano that we were not moving forward with her essay and informed the court that she is no longer credentialed by Vanity Fair. Such principle, such ethics, such moral grandstanding. Give them a break. They're in the middle of a decade-long identity crisis. They have plenty of vanity and they're never fair. Well, the algorithm picked it up like the moon on a telescope and Britney's trial lasted about 30 seconds and she was excommunicated. She said she doesn't care what people think in the video back to that woman, but maybe she does. So her name is Britney Romano, a freelance writer, journalist, editor. Her beat is fashion and commerce, shoppable things. And she's a writer who was actually charting new waters with Vanity Fair writing about the murder trial of her childhood friend, Lindsay Musgrove, now Clancy. She grew up with Lindsay. Take a look at this. There they are. Look at those two cute little girls. That's Britney and that's Lindsay. For her part, Britney Romano released her own words and she writes pretty well. She posted on Instagram, a smile is not a crime. Telling a woman to slit her wrists is. Cry and a woman is dramatic. Smile and she doesn't care. Stay composed and something must be wrong with her. We decide the meaning first and spend the rest of the time making her prove it. That's just a little piece of it, but sorry, that's very well written and insightful. So we are going to spend some time right now finding out who she is and what she believes, what she was doing there. And of course, we will begin with the first question. Hi, Britney. How are you doing? Better than when we originally met the other day. A lot better. So I'll begin where everybody, you know, is. What were you thinking? What was going on? I don't know. Honestly, I mean, we just came back from a lunch break. There was a heel moment earlier. I fell. It was kind of funny. We know the cameraman, Richie. What's a heel moment? My slogan used to be like, I take my soles red and my coffee black. I'm known for always wearing the top. So, you know, when you have like one of those, yeah, you have one of those slip in, my beach fashion, you have one of those slip in shoes. And I keep calling them cues in the courtroom. And when you get in there for the cue, like it's the heel gets stuck. It's kind of like if you are on cobblestone. So, I mean, just I had earlier fell on the day. And when we got back from someone said, don't trip, don't fall. And I turned around and I laughed. And the camera's never been on us before. It's so interesting. And it's at that point that the camera sort of swings in. You looked right into the lens. It looked like you knew the cameraman or something. What was, do we know Richie? Cause I, yeah, no, I know Richie well. We had been there for, at this point, I think like what, three, four weeks at this point. And Richie knew I was an avid Port TV follower. So he had kind of off camera laughed with us a little bit. He got a really bad shot of us earlier in the day. And I was like getting tagged in post. I look bad. So then I was like, oh my, like, give us a flag when we're going to be on there again. And he did it. So, I mean, thumbs down, I guess to Richie maybe. Yeah. So everybody, everybody knows Richie, the boom camera operator for Port TV. He does like this 360 pan to like set things up. And I guess we just weren't aware. Brittany, there were other people in the courtroom. If you look at the video as it's coming by, there's a blonde girl also smiling. Were you all friends there? Is that, do you just become trial buddies? No, well, kind of yes and no. So Rachel, who's the brunette on the side of Lauren, it's Lauren and Rachel. They are doing a Netflix documentary. So Rachel lives in New York with me. So we've kind of become friends. And Lauren, we're two of the same. We've been hearing the whole time that we're the same person. So it's, I mean, when I, we laughed over the dope ball, she laughed as well, because she was there. She's been there with me for like three weeks. I've followed her more times than I could count. But I would say that like, we're all pretty well acquainted. You kind of know your people when you know them. You know what I mean? So, yeah. How do you react to the vitriol, right? There's this massive backlash that this, here's this entitled woman or whatever. Everyone makes up a story. They figure out who you are. She's just a this, she's a that. And she's laughing away in there. Look at her. She's tone deaf, bop, bop. They make up everything about it. You know, we say, I don't care what other people think. We all care what other people think. And it's to a degree, and it's hurtful. How has this been to you? How swift was it? What was the reaction like? What were some of the comments people made? I, it's kind of a twofold. I'm a pretty level-headed person. Like, sorry, my dad's printer's in the back. This is great. But I'm like, but I'm a pretty resilient person. My whole kind of mentality is the only way out is through. And with that being said, laughing at anything has always been kind of the way I get out and through something. And I think that the only time that I really started to care was when they started bringing in my nephews or my family or whatnot, because I can hold my own, you know what I mean, in a weird position. But I think that it was so swift that they were so quick to judge me. I went to school to be a therapist. Mental health has always been, like, I'm a mental health advocate. I've been advocating for mental health before Lindsay and Clancy, and I'll be doing it after it. And I think that people want to make up a story sometimes to make themselves feel better. And I can, I can appreciate that. Like, I, to an extent, when you start to kind of make preconceived notions and judgments, it's at the heart of this case, it's mental health. So trying to strip away my humanity and doing that in the name of one person doesn't really make sense. If you're an advocate of mental health, you would realize that, like, there's room to mess up and own it and just move along. You're aware of what it looked like, right? 100 percent. Oh, I'm very self-aware. But here's the thing, too. I'm always laughing if you get what I'm saying, where I'm like, You're that girl. Yeah, like, I laugh at funerals. I laugh when I get a good news, bad news. Like, I am that person. I get Botox, and my guy tells me too much of an animated face because that's just what I do. That's who I am as a person. My girlfriend is the same way. She laughs at the worst times, and I go, What is she? Because I'm uncomfortable. I'm embarrassed. But at the same time, she probably wants to be also kind of a safe space for people. Yeah, we all do. And my thing is, my hotel staff woman was laughing. I was laughing when I was late, but I would rather make myself the butt of the joke so everyone else feels comfortable. So this is kind of an LOL moment where I'm like, If taking it out on me makes yourself feel better, I could take it. Well, it blew up. You received some comments. I mean, someone told you to slit your wrists. Someone told you that we're covering a mental health situation trial here. Now we're telling you to slit your wrists and whatever else. I was doxxed. I live alone in New York, and they sent knives to my apartment in New York. So that's not great. You're a single girl living in New York. Yeah, and I don't come from a lot. I work for everything I have. So I'm like, It's a little bit frightening that the apartment I'm very proud of this has knives outside my door. Have you heard from anyone that you spent time getting to know during the trial? Yeah, actually, I have. They were all really quick to check on me. But I will say that this is also not my beat. So I will say like the fashion community, the PR publicists, like all the people on Facebook have rallied around me like nothing I've seen because there's nothing worth. Yeah, and I'm like, I had a friend at a big, big publicity company yesterday was like, I've known you for 15 years, you smell through everything. And they're like, it couldn't happen to a better person because you'll turn it and make it into a teachable moment. And I'm like, if I have to be the example that laughing is okay in a couple of moments, that is okay. But it's also not okay to be telling me to slit my wrist, setting knives like that's not okay. And really, what's important is you're actually not there for Vanity Fair to be like, what was Lindsay Clancy wearing in trial today? She came in in a blush light sleeveless blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like in touch weekly sit with your crazy ----. You started this nearly three years ago pitching Vanity Fair and their executive editor about the mental health aspect of this because not only did you grow up with Lindsay Musgrove and live on the same street and she was your childhood friend, but your mother had bipolar and had to be removed from your home. How old were you? It was on and off. She was abusive, alcoholic, bipolar, the perfect trifecta. And I think it was finally 12, 13 when she left. And I think that's also too, if I'm allowed, I'm a little bit sensitive towards the alcoholic comments that were also made because I grew up in such an unstable home. And the Musgroves were literally my safe space. Mrs. Musgrove, the kindest person, and I wish I was lying. They are just the kindest people you'll meet. There's not one bad thing to be said. But I think that I've been having you over when there were episodes with your mom, they would have you over. Yeah, they were. Yeah. I have to say that. Like, I think I lived at their house more than I lived at my own house or up until maybe, you know, you get into those like high school years because she was two years older. But I'm like, I, when I wrote to writing an original, I was like, Mrs. Musgrove gave me confidence. Lindsay gave me girlhood. Like, I learned my job in a basement playing work with her. She told me, I can't draw to save my life. But I know how to put pen to paper and make black poetry. And I'm like, and I could do that about shoes or wallpaper. This is bad wallpaper. But I'm like, you get what I mean? Like, I have kind of that. I learned all that those formidable years. But I mean, the parallels are not lost on me. The story was about to kind of be like, the same house that saved me is the same house now not being saved. And I think that's a really important conversation to have. I mean, Allison, her older sister is a social worker, and very good friends with my old brother. So I'm like, there was a lot of moving pieces, and I don't do feelings. And this was going to be a very vulnerable piece sitting down with her and discussing all of like, the issue that you don't do feelings. Yeah, yeah, this, this has been a tough I've been told I have a black heart, and I'm okay with that. But I'm like, this week, I've been very emotional. Well, when I spoke to you, you were in tears. I know, I know. And I'm, I'm okay. I always say it's okay not to be okay. And I think I've told you, I was like, I am not okay right now. And I, I think that's okay. But I, I hope it will one day be okay. I don't think you have a black heart, by the way. I think it's not. I'm laughing. See, I don't know if that would be. Yeah, exactly. Well, there you go. So you growing up with, with Lindsay Musgrove, and Miss, I'm wondering what was her name? I call her Miss Musgrove, you know, Paula Musgrove. How much older is Lindsay than you? Two years, but we moved. It's no secret. We live on Padmore Drive. It's not any secret. Everyone knows at this point. And everyone that moved in there, it was a new residential area. Like, you know what I mean? So everyone was the first owners and whatnot. And my dad tells this story that like, Mr. Musgrove wanted to learn how to like, do his basement or something like my dad did his. So that's how we met them right off the bat. I moved there when I was three or four. Because Mrs. Musgrove actually said with all the people coming to see her at during the trial, because they kind of proud her, in a sense. And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to come up to you. And she was like, Brittany, I've known you since you were four years old. You're the only one who can't come up to me. And it was just like kind of a cheeky thing. But I mean, two, two years older, but like, I have an older brother and a younger brother and a dad and like her. She was like an older sister to me. It was always Brittany and Lindsay. What were you doing in the courtroom? What was this specific pitch? What were you and how does it you spoke to the Musgroves about it, but you also wrote an email to Kevin Reddington. You know, Kevin Reddington, who is an all star defense lawyer. I know you've had communications with him, but he shared something of yours with Lindsay. Can you tell me about that? So I've been I am a fashion enthusiast, but I love crime on the side. And I saw him do gender cave with Karen Reed. And I also I think it goes back to even like the Red Sox player that he represented. So I knew Kevin Reddington's legacy and whatnot. I feel like most of them. Move on. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. I was like, as a Yankee fan, I can appreciate what he did there. And I I sat on a letter for a really long time because I don't believe in ever commoditizing or using a person's worst moment to get ahead in the world, if that makes sense. And but when I was watching jury selection and I was seeing all these publications, I know that we're writing all these really bad things. I wrote a very lengthy letter to him. A lot of feelings, a lot of everything. I explained who I was. I even put my address growing up in the subject line. So he knew exactly this. And I explained my relationship with the Musgroves. And what I wanted to do, I offered him full editorial control, which is kind of like a no name thing. I also offered that like if he reads it or Lindsay reads it and decides that she doesn't want it to go to publication, we don't do it. I'd rather have someone say no than add to it. And I think that what really affected him was I was like, the worst side of your life could define could change your life, but it shouldn't define your life. And he sent me an email back with literally 13 minutes after I sent that. I thought this guy was like, no dice. This guy's never responded back. 13 minutes later, not only did he have that, he found my telephone number and called me. He had her watching it on the screen. Like, I know I know I've been I don't have enough. Like, I am a blunt and straight shooter aside from all this. And I'm like, Kevin Reddington is as iconic as they say he is. And I'm like, yeah. And you you did he reach out to you through all that? He's busy. I've been I've been we talked to him at the trial. I met his son like they were calling me pinky. They know I hate pink. Does he know what happened to you with people reacting to this? Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so I will know they do know about this. So I'm like, it's been the focus needs to be on Lindsay right now. But I think that the people that think they're rallying around in support of her is doing her justice when I think maybe the other side thinks it might be an injustice and kind of misconstrued. As can you say, would you prefer not to say? But has read reached out to you to say anything? Because I like the way he takes care of Lindsay. And so it's kind of like, what would Big Red do in this situation? And I think he would try to put the spotlight back on her. But I will say that he has a good heart. And there's always someone watching over you. And Big Red might be that one. Oh, you know, if we all know, lucky. I love the picture we took with him. I mean, I don't want to jump ahead, but I laugh because he they called us the stragglers. He was like, you three are trouble. But we just it's kind of like, I'm sure maybe when you interview people in person, it's kind of like known to take a photo with them. And I wasn't sure if it was my last day or not. In fashion, at least it is. So he was like, send me that. I mean, I was like, no, I'm going to send you that. I'm going to frame it for your death. And he was like, trouble, but I would love it. And I'm like, it's just like, just a great guy through and through. For all the people who are sending death threats and knives and telling you to slit wrists or whatever, they, you know, just know that Big Red, if he could get his hands on you for doing that, he would he wouldn't appreciate it. I think he sees all. Big Red knows Big Red knows what you sent in the comments section. The article was to be about mental health. It was to be about from Lindsay's perspective. It was an outreach for her. Something you don't do normally. You're you're in fashion and shop ability and and all those things. So it's interesting because, you know, what people might have thought in the beginning was the hell is this Vanity Fair gossip columnist doing there? Which is exactly not what you were doing. And I don't even think you were working for Vanity Fair. Why are they firing someone they didn't employ? I that's such a twofold. I'm like, first and foremost, I'm in fashion. I think like I've had the opportunity where I've gone so far to sit down with Michelle Obama. I went through the I'm kind of like, if you can't find a door, I thought a window. And in the fashion world, you kind of have to do that. And I mean, the only long profiles I've done are for like, we're saving lives, like Kathy Hilton, how to decorate for Christmas. You know what I mean? Like, so this is totally not my route, but I really fought to be able to let Lindsay have a chance. And I wrote this in my letter, right? And the good, the bad, the ugly, like I did not want after seeing the New Yorker and then hearing Patrick Clancy's sworn testimony and all like, do it to me with that, like the conflicting stuff. I wanted Lindsay to be able to tell her story because she's not a monster. And I wish I could say that, like people have it completely wrong about her. And I had Mrs. Getting a little emotional when I was talking to her there because I approached her about the article and I was like, listen, like, you don't want it done. We won't do it. But I think that at the end of the day, I was like, it was supposed to shine a light on mental health. It was supposed to literally move the conversation forward. And instead, we've gone a lot, which is really what this trial is about. I mean, you know, understanding women in crisis and postpartum psychosis is on trial. Really right now. Mental health has always been at the forefront of everything. Like you said, my mom being bipolar, I could see the difference between my mom and Lindsay. My mom refuses to get the help that she has access to and so easily could. Whereas Lindsay tried at every corner and I am very good at calling balls and strikes. So the thing with me is when we're talking about Lindsay, I think two things could be true. She could have allegedly done an awful thing, but she was failed at every single corner. And I think that that's what I wanted to really bridge the gap for people that are saying the awful things about her and not really understanding the other side of the coin. Because two things can be true. And if you can't think both things could be true, you probably shouldn't be in the conversation. Yeah. Well, let me break this. This is an interesting. This is the email you sent, pitching this idea to Reddington. And Reddington gets back and says, Britney, I love his four spaces. A very moving testament. I assure you, I will get back. You know Kevin Reddington does not have time for pronunciation and grammar and punctuation marks, which I love. This was in court too. Oh, while he was sitting there. I assure you, I will get back to you. And I'm going to share your letter with Lindsay. I'm sure she will be thrilled. Oh, look at the timestamps. Like I sent it at 140, 153 responded back by 154. He was on the phone with me and I'm like, Mr. Reddington. And I got a lecture to call Kevin. And I'm like, it's a respect thing. But I'm like, I laughed nervously to him on the phone. And like, you know what I mean? So it's like, I don't know. I'm like, I don't. Yeah, I'm like, I don't have any ill will, but I'm like, for me, I think the larger conversation is what I can't reconcile is that the same state that failed her trying to prosecute her for their failures. When the camera, just when the cameras look at you, look at it almost like you're looking at Richie and you give it like a little wink. And is that because he knows you've been falling out of your shoes or is he. I think they all kind of knew. And by the way, you're not. It is illegal in the state of Massachusetts to film the gallery and the media and those assembled in a courtroom. And so it was just, you know, a pool feed. But I guess he wasn't supposed to do that. Yeah, I from my understanding, they're supposed to test the cameras. And I mean, I don't know. I haven't been in many courtrooms, so maybe someone forgive me if I'm mistaken, but they're a little hot, like they're a little hot. And I'm Italian and we've run hot. So you get that little sweaty hot going. And I mean, my shoe was I don't believe in like the professional clothes. So it was just like a slip in Louboutin. Me, Dolly 120, if you want to look it up. But I'm like, so I'm like, I'd earlier had fallen. So like he even giggled and was like, don't the worst thing to do for your family to fall. We got an inside joke. Yeah, the world. The world came in on an inside joke and cast and cast dispersion and cast. And they ended and they sliced. And I'm like, I get it. But at the same time, like I'm a person who's trying to actually move the needle forward. And this kind of sucks for lack of better terms. Look at this. Yeah, this this is the registration for you to. Why does it say New York Magazine? This is registration for court right here and doesn't say Vanity Fair. Yeah, so originally how this works is so I sent a screenshot. So I was like, so excited about when this goes on. So what you don't see above here is that if you're not employed by they call it an institution, which is more or less a publication. This is like independent journalists. So I could have put just like Britney's blog there. That does not exist. But that's what they would have put. So originally New York Mag was pursuing this and they were actually giving me twice the amount of word count, potentially a cover, potentially like they were giving me a lot more than what Vanity Fair was offering me. And I had what paid out of my own pocket, did X, Y and Z. And they just yeah, like I had attended for two weeks under still independent journalists. But Vanity Fair was nowhere to be found. How they say Miranda was nowhere to be found for Luigi in the room, like Vanity Fair was nowhere to be found in the room for the first two weeks. They were literally there for two days and they they were the ones who emailed to change my credentials. And then they took a nice grandstanding moment. It's so annoying just listening to that. I mean, they have a history of like. We have principles and standards, editorial standards. It's just an opportunity to flex and just zip it. No, no, you don't. Knowing that they knowing that they it's an editorial term killed like you kill a story. It's like it's first greenlit. Then it's like a red light called killed. And knowing that they killed my story after saying yes, I think like when I originally reached out, when they got a new editor in chief, but they had employed Olivia, it just seemed a little problematic. And the statement was like, what the heck? Oh, well, the statement is just without a contract. There's nothing like I could do X, Y and Z. Like even when I was talking to the tick tocker about like, yeah, this is this. By the way, this is so wormy. What they do is they go, get me a draft, get me, show me a little something. And then like, I'm not working for you. You haven't paid me. You haven't. There's no contract. They just like it's on spec. And if it's really good, OK, then we'll pay you. It's like, no, hire me to do the job and then I'll do it. Am I, am I allowed to go down the rabbit hole with like the other half of it? Like the Diane Sawyer of it all? They, it. So vanity, why did Vanity Fair say yes to you? So it was kind of like, I don't know. I, when I had, when Lindsay was first taken into custody, we're talking like 2023, I posted one thing and I was like, we don't know. We don't know. With just like a heart and like a photo that people have been posting, the one with like the hat from the Y2K party. Right. And I had everyone from the Cuomo News Nation to literally every local reporter, everyone, the Times, Ellen Berry from the Times, like to get me to speak. But like, if you've read the reports recently, we don't, where we grew up in a small town, no one really is here to tell anyone. If you ever see the clip in Sweet Home, Alabama, where he comes to sign the papers and we won't let anyone in, but we'll talk about it later on. But that being said, I'm like, once I got there and everyone knew who I was because I was talking to the Musgroves almost every day on the breaks and they were like, who is this girl? Like always with them. Diane Sawyer's people showed up and Netflix showed up and they wanted me to be a part of their documentaries. And then Diane Sawyer team wanted to make it a package where it was like the first sit down and television special. And there's just a lot going on. And I'm like, I'm not like knowing what Mr. Musgrove said, how she doesn't want the publicity and the media has been so awful. Why would I do that to them? Like, that's just wrong. Yeah, that's interesting. Diane, boy, she's still in the game. She wrote a handwritten letter. She called, emailed, text, got nothing. And I'm like, when they saw the response back that I got from Reddington, it was like, I'm Willy Wonka building ticket. And I'm like, it's not a flex growing up with someone on trial. But like, I will be just as protective as I would if roles were reversed and it was me. OK, well, you spent a lot of time in this courtroom for three weeks. So tell us, we don't get to see the jury. Can you can you tell me what they look like, what the sex is? Give me a left to right. I knew exactly yesterday when they were talking about the specific ones, like who was crying, who wasn't. And I've been very mindful of not talking about the jury because I thought we weren't allowed to, just like the 911 call. But I'm like, actually, I think I can. But so if we're sitting here, we sit directly behind the prosecution. OK, so we're here. Defense is here. Jury's here. There's two rows. So there's a brunette. I could give it like I will give all the brunette with glasses clip. She's always looking at us. She's always very involved, takes a lot of notes. Like, I think she wants to shoot like maybe like 45. She looks like she's a mom and I'm not trying to profile, but you could just kind of get that. Then you have this older woman. I want to say like 60 to 70 hates everyone. You could just tell. But was the only reaction like just has a very stone face. Like she looks at us, looks at the prosecution, would discuss the defense, discuss. She's the one that has a cross on her neck. So when they talked about like the sin the other day, whatever. Yeah. Well, talking about things in the courtroom, a smile. She said like she made like a sigh or something like she made an actual noise after she held her cross that the judge popped up fast. And that was what happened. Then we have this like great big, heavy, iconic man who wears suits every day. He has a long beard taking the most diligent notes. I don't know why people keep saying that he doesn't take notes. He does. He's just like kind of fed up with the whole thing. And I think he actually is the one of the three men that have been seated, which I'm excited about. And then there is the only person of color, this black guy. Fabulous. I don't know if he's a foreman. It's between one of those him and the other man. But he like sits forward like this and he is reactive as could be. Like he is not happy when the prosecution is saying the wrong thing. When he cries, he gets sad. So I'm like, I hope he is. But what is interesting is everyone's reporting that like they were older. There's a lot of like 20 to 25 year old, like post-college young guys on it. And what is most interesting is. The bros are in there. The bros. What did we get? We have the man of spear is on the on the jury. Yeah. And I'm like in front of the brunette. I just spoke to this one really young, like he's got to be no more than like 24. And he's very involved, though. They'll take a lot of notes. But the most interesting one, and I can be honest, is everyone will look at me. This blonde girl has to be maybe 30, like around my age. She's pregnant. I want to say she's like maybe seven months. But like she wears a flip every day as a fashion person. I know a girl knows what's up. But I'm sitting there. I know, Lily. Yeah. You know what I mean? We can respect that. But I think she was the one who got emotional and cried. Like if I had to bet my money, they were saying that one jerk cried. And I think that was probably her. But I think it's interesting because what did they say? It was nine women and three men. If anything's my bet, it's probably the young guy. I know it's the guy with the beard and probably the black guy that was seated. Like, don't mark my words, but I'm pretty confident. Does the jury react when Reddington shuts down Abram Mack and we're all going, oh, it's another Reddington blow. Do you see them like, hmm, hide a smile or? No, Billy. You know what I don't understand is how my black women, they are so reactive. They laugh. They smile. They get up visibly emotional. Like sometimes they will speak to themselves. Like they're humans. They're humans. But I'm like, Reddington has put on a show and he's had them since day one. He owns them. You can see it. You can hear it. Do they kind of tune out for Buckingham and Sprague or respectfully engage there? Um and Ummer or Big Bo. That's like what people are calling them. But yeah, you could tell Big Bo. And we call them Um and Ummer. Like, um, which is weird because I've actually, you know, as the girl who's gone viral for laughing, I'm the only one who's gotten them to speak. You're not allowed to laugh. I've earned my right to laugh back. So laugh for the fact that both attorneys are showing up every single day to watch this in full swing. It's insane. Like ones have nothing to do with this. But they saw me getting the prosecution to laugh outside there and they're like, that's the most they've spoken in their lives, I think. And I'm like, I don't know. But anyways, but they do react a little bit. I think that they. Here's my take if I'm allowed to. I think that Jennifer, the head one, got visibly emotional when Lindsay cried. And like, I don't know if it's true. I've heard she's had children. You could tell it's taking a toll on her. The other one, though, Big Bo, like they don't like her at all. The jury kind of tunes her out. And that's user my own. But that's the general consensus. Yeah, Big Bo does not seem to she she does. She's as subtle as a sledgehammer. And she doesn't really know how to read a room. You know, can't read a room backfired in a huge way. I'll never forget the mental health, the medical examiner and the graphic details. And the Bo, see, I was there for Patrick Glancy's testimony. And I was I also heard it three days after on YouTube. So I knew it to be expected. And I'm like, it just feels like I don't know. Did their boss make them try this case? Because I also don't really I don't forgive me if I'm mistaken. What is the motive? Like, do you know what they're trying to prove? Because I still don't. No, it's it's it's sort of meandered. It's changed. It evolves. And now it's that she has a very premeditated and very much committed to suicide and wanted to take her children with her because she's so controlling. And imagine like this woman was out of her mind. And you're trying to tell everyone exactly what her mind was doing. Shannon Buckingham, you don't know that. And it is you failing at communicating it. I think the best moment was the judge, because I know that there's a lot of like controversy with the judge to the Latisha Saunders stuff and whatnot, but being the judge presiding over it. But when they tried to impeach the witness, I was there and the judge was like, this is your witness. Like the judge, I think, is even like they lost the plot or like Father Bob and he cracked up. Like, it's a very lively courtroom. It's lively courtroom. And I get the feeling that the judge and Reddington have sat at a bar together and had, you know, they're like two of the same. And I think he's trying to hold demeanor and kind of and I do respect it. But when people came for me, I'm laughing because this is the same judge that like tries to have a laugh in the morning, like he giggles when you see him. So I'm like, it's like nothing I've seen before. And everyone comes to the sidebar. Let's go to the sidebar. I love sidebar. I mean, one thing I love, it's sidebar. Or like Reddington being like, no to the objections or like this. Like I'm telling you, it's like I get that. Like everyone wants a story. But the story is, is like he tries to make everyone feel comfortable. And I think sometimes that's like laughing or joking. And I'm like, it's a little weird. I'm getting canceled for the same thing the judge is promoting. You're not being canceled. That's a bunch of bullshit. And, you know, what I don't I don't have any patience for is the John Ronson called it the escalating war on human life, the prosecution of people for things we all do. And those who grab, you know, clutch their, you know, pearls and, you know, puritanically scream out outrage, outrage like that bonkers woman who, by the way, what the woman who attacked you in she's some I checked out her her profile. What an interesting person. She's it says it says lesbian and community queer community builder and founder of creator of Scissorslam. And I immediately went, oh, God, I don't mean to laugh, but as an ally, I'm like, I have a lot of questions. Like, I'm like, when you ask people around about me, I'm like, one of my best friends is gay, a book over at ABC. And he knows I'm like, love is love. We love everyone. So I'm like the way that someone's asking me if I'm trans. She was like, he posted a picture. I'm like, it's just bonkers. Here she is. I just want to this is the creator of Britney posted a picture of her and Lindsey Clancy together as children back on August 1st. So why in the world would she think that this behavior is appropriate? Not only in the courtroom, but if you claim that you are friends with Britney or know Britney, that is so disgusting. Oh, my God, Rachel Lauren. And I thought lesbians were cooler than most people and not Karen's me. Yeah, but I'm like the Karen behind me was laughing. And I'm like, oh, my God. What a Karen. Unbelievable. Literally, I'm shocked that's not her name. No, it is now. Anyway, look, you understand it. You see it. You get it. There people are wrong. There is backstory to it. What I'm really fascinated to know is, are you going to write this article? And for whom? I don't know. You know, it's funny. Like, I actually got off the job from a fashion person. Like the first day it broke, which is insane. But I'm like, I, I do want to tell her story. And I think I'd be the only one that would tell it. Honestly, I mean, we knew right off the bat that there was no access to her until after this all like, what is it? Kind of calmed down because the calls at Tewksbury were being recorded. We knew that with Amy and whatnot. And like, I had reached out because I know all of her childhood friends from high school. They were like, if Lindsay's okay with this, we're okay with this to sit down. So I'm like, I don't know who else like they're going to get to tell the story. But I will say that, like, quite a few publications wanted this. But the reality of it is, I'm like, is this where I just do a sub stack? Like, because I'm like, if I have such, yeah, maybe you tell the story. Help me. You know what I mean? Like, I, I, I have a really good idea for you. And it is about you. You need to you need to finish this because it's also if you don't, then it's there's too much sadness in that. And you need to power through this and finish it. You got it. It was really, what are they saying? Like, therapeutic, I think, like seeing my dad used to always say, and I don't want to get emotional, but my dad used to say that, like, he stayed black heart, black heart, cynical, jaded. Come on, black heart. Get emotional. Yeah, no. So I'm like, I think that, like, my dad used to say the reason he didn't divorce my mom because he was scared she would kill us. Like, that is a guy I'm doing. That's a God honest truth. And I'm like, I, I believe him. And I'm like, for me sitting here seeing how Lindsay had none of those same tells, you know what I mean? Like where you would think this would be where she would end up. And I'm like, she has helped me kind of work through some things in my head through this trial, hearing everything firsthand and realizing that, like, she was failed as a system while my mom, this was a choice. And I, I am someone I don't like to start something I don't finish. And I would like to finish this. But who knows? You have to. Girl, it's now become your opus. Okay. You gotta do it. I mean, who else is gonna get it? Diane Sawyer. I mean, like, you have to bring it. You know what? If you don't do it, you know who wins? You know who wins? If you don't do it, the creator of Scissor Slam. Whenever the guy got. He wants it. I gotta go look into that. That might be. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Let's stay in touch on the trial. Everything you're like. So the way you describe the jury was absolutely riveting. So and maybe come back on like after the verdict. And let's let's break it all down. And I'll share with you off camera my idea for you. And I will just say I've like tens of thousands of people. I have to say, like, from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. Because when you reconnected it, I was crying in bed. And I was like, you might have been the only reason I got out. So I really, truly mean that. Billy, thank you so much. You're you're. I know you're. I could see right away. I'm a good person. And, you know, I've been in in your position. So I've had people just haul off and vilify and attack. And they don't know the back story or the whole thing, or they lose sight of it. And it just it's brutal. And one thing I you're a stronger person than I was. I can see you're just you're just fine. And maybe you've had to be a big girl earlier because of what's going on in your own family. But, you know, I'm very impressed with you. You're at your age. You're incredible. Very, very sharp. Thank you so much. And say hello to your beloved father. He's just you and him, huh? Yeah. I have the older brother and younger brother. But he's going to the Yankee game tonight. And he was like, are you sure it's OK to go? And I'm like, there's one thing my dad loves. Is he? Oh, he wants to be with you. It's cute. Let's go with my little brother. And I'm excited for them to get a little breather. Good. All right. Brittany, you realize there's one thing you have to do. Oh, gosh. You got to throw out the green dress. I can't imagine that you can wear it again. It is a two-piece suit. It is a collared shirt and a skirt. Someone told me the other day they will go with me for Halloween. I was like, would you like me to send it to you? Like, I'm happy to do that. You and J-Lo both have iconic green dresses. Hers is in the Smithsonian. I don't think you can wear that one again. It's just, it's got to go. I just hate that I had a black dress on and changed. Because I was like, maybe the black dress is a little bit too provocative. Let me put this on. And I'm like. None of this might have happened if it was a different color dress. There's something about a green dress. It's seafoam. It's seafoam, people. You ever seen a seafoam product? And it's not even a dress. It's a two-piece. Yeah, it's a two-piece set. They never even got it right. Will you wear it again? I didn't want to wear. I don't really wear things twice. I was like, this was the second time I wore it in like a couple years. So I'm like, I should have known better. It was first to begin with. Brittany Romano is so much more than the girl in the green dress. Finish the job. Love you. Thank you. Bye.