The TRUTH About Amy Griffin's WILD TEXTS Threatening Kids | Billy Bush

The world has woken up to Amy Griffin. The story's getting bigger. New York Times, excuse me, New York Post today. I always said, New York Post, page six. This is right up their alley. They love rich people behaving badly. They love it. And society people and socialites. And like, this is their, right up their alley. But they have not been covering it. And now they are. And there's an article by Kirsten Fleming. That came out, I think, yesterday, late yesterday. It's really well done. We'll look at that here in a second. But really, I want to talk to Katie and Casey first. And we have news in the dueling lawsuits here. I learned about it from Katie just a moment ago. Jolene has filed an appeal. On the court's decision to excuse Penguin Random House from her lawsuit against Amy Griffin. To that, I say, yeah, WTF, how do you have zero responsibility here? The rich lady comes with her lawyers and so she'll handle it? I don't know. I mean, by the way, Penguin Random House, the same publishing company that did James Fry's book, right? And the Bell Burden book. Stranger, so when there's issues here, I don't understand how the publishing company's like, yeah, that's on you. You're a rich person. You've got your lawyers, but we have no obligation to vet the truth and vet the claims that you make in your books. I don't know about that. So that appeal has merit to me. Let's turn to a. A personal note here for Katie and Casey, and we can bring her up here. She's been receiving private messages from some woman who calls herself just an NYC lady. Katie, if you if you follow and you know her, she says, I'm just a lady. I'm just a lady. And she reports that way. So this woman obviously going after her a play on her title, just an NYC lady. She's an Amy surrogate, whether Amy knows about it or not. But she's vehemently supporting Amy, of course, not publicly. Katie, when did- You're kind of messed up, huh? Yeah, a little messed up. When did these messages come in and how did you take them initially and where are you now? Well, so not very long ago, I opened a Signal account so that people could feel comfortable to reach out to me anonymously. And so I have been investigating Amy Griffin's memoir, The Tell, for months now. And I received a message on October 16th from somebody named Just an NYC Lady. My guess is just a playoff of what I say in my videos, right? And so I don't know who this person is. I don't know if she is related or friends or if she's just someone who is defending Amy. But that's essentially what she was doing. Initially, I was willing to hear her hear the other side, hear what she had to say. And she's telling me things like, you know, Amy's a lovely person. She's the kind of person that brings you chicken noodle soup when you're feeling sick. And everyone, she's so beloved and everyone loves Amy. And while I do believe that there's a lot of people in the world that love Amy, I would push back and say. Just because she's nice and great doesn't mean she didn't do something bad or maybe she did do what some of these allegations. I get a lot of the same things. I mean, and I, you know, when I started this thing, Katie, I didn't, I didn't, now I got more people that I know in common with Amy and it's, so it's a little weird, but. You know, I, I get the same thing. God, she's really sweet. She's just such a great person. She's so nice. She's so she would never do these horrible things. She was accused of. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, it's, it's, everyone has multiple sides to them. You never know what somebody could or could not do, but you know, essentially those messages kind of went back And as this person began to... Be a little more condescending. It's kind of like, okay, I don't necessarily need to keep interacting back and forth with somebody who's just going to ---- on you the whole time. But one thing that I think is important that this person kept saying is, why don't you just let the justice system play out? Why don't you just let the court do its thing? And, you know. I thought it was kind of an interesting question because Amy Griffin's attorneys have now filed motions for attorney's fees in regards to her anti-slapp motion. And they are asking for more than $600,000 from Jane Doe and her attorneys. And those are requests. The court hasn't granted anything to be clear. But if you can imagine even just being an ordinary person, I mean, That's a lot of money. I don't have money like that sitting around. Without people like you, then the public doesn't know about this. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, you, you, you, you, all of it. The reason why this person is saying, just let the court system play out. Imagine if Lindsey Clancy just let the court system play out and people didn't- It can be manipulated like anything else. Of course, and when you got billions of dollars against a woman who makes maybe 50K, who knows, a small person who, Who? You can swamp her in legal bills and destroy her that way. So it's important- Well, just imagine, yeah, being on the other side of it. And Jane Doe is, imagine trying to figure out, should I pursue these claims? It's a game of leverage, especially in any sort of civil litigation. But that was kind of the points that that person was making. I see some people are taking... Yeah. And I decided to go, you know what, you have a great week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she said, you too, until, Yeah. Yeah. She decided to step in just the other night Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and I don't know what the trigger was. I'm not sure if Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. it's the renewed or have you seen all of the articles? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Could be Chardonnay. I don't know Yeah. It's a very nice and fun forum, I think. what time, what was the clock? What did it say? Yeah. I think it's really great and it's great It was in the evening. It sure was. that people are working in this space, talking about the Shard time. So, yeah, that's Chardonnay. Oh, my gosh. I mean, with the news cycles, the Daily Mail, page six, I mean, The Cut even came out with another article. Isn't that amazing? It's crazy, isn't it? It's a different writer. The Cut has different divisions. Our writers don't talk to each other. The Cut, excuse me, New York Magazine embarrassed themselves with a glowing profile for Amy, Amy, and their precedent was. Can't two stories be true at the same time. Couldn't two 12-year-old or 13-year-old girls have been essayed, raped by two different teachers at a middle school dance in Amarillo, Texas? Okay, maybe, possibly, but extremely unlikely. Like, It's, you know, it's interesting that there is other coverage. I mean, I have my own, you know, theories and speculation as to why Jessica Bennett isn't necessarily, you know, involving herself maybe in further stories. But this person, you know, as anonymous as it was, they did end up threatening my children and saying, you know. You know, um... And I'll say too, I don't take private conversations lightly, making things public like this. There was a reason I opened up the signal to get people to have some sort of layer of anonymity. But they escalated it to involve my children. And it's just unacceptable. It's absolutely unacceptable. This is what the messages say here. The fact that you are naming minors is Disgusting, distasteful. They're accusing you of naming minors, did you? I was actually speaking on a live and we discussed the children of how this affects the second generation. So it could have been the catalyst there. I was speaking with another content creator. And we were kind of discussing like that second, I never really thought about that angle of like, you know, how did this story affect not only Griffin's children, but Rossman's children. Does Egan have children? I don't even know. You know, it's, but it all seems to be kind of. But you didn't say Amy's kid's name, did you? You know, I'm not sure. I'd have to go back and look. I don't know her kids' names. I don't, so I'm not going to. I think there was one that comes to mind, Gigi, but that's because she said it so much on, like, the Today Show. Like, there was an anecdote, like a soundbite, she would continue to say of, like, you know, my daughter came to me at this certain age and, you know. She was she. Mom, I don't know you that it was that story that she would continue. Oh, she wrote that in the book, too. Right. But she but she used it. Oh, but in the on the Today Show appearances, she would she would say it. OK, correct. So I'm guessing that with that. So this person goes on to say, you know, and when I at the top here, it says I've made my intentions very clear to you. And that's because that was something else they were doing is trying to say, what are you doing this for? Why are you even looking into these things? Why are you creating content about this? Like, what's in it for you? And they had their own ideas as, you know, you just want clicks and money and you're jealous and all of the things, right? She says, should we name your kids? They're Catholic schools. You seem to think one person opening the door is sufficient reason to do so. You are a bored Midwestern lady who dresses badly. Apparently I do. I mean, I, you know, I won't. It's short. Maybe. Um, okay. Why are you threatening me? You said who me? I'm just a lady, Katie. Yes. You, why are you threatening me? Just a lady like you. Um, You see me? Oh, wow. Yeah. And so these are, these are disappearing messages. And if you can see at the top, she had it set at five minutes, but it was previously had set to 30 seconds. And so it was almost like you, you had no time to even, but so in a split second, I decided, you know what, that is, that crosses a line. And so I went ahead and screenshotted our signal chat here. And I did what I thought I needed to do, which was make it public because You know, I don't, what do I have, right? What do I have? I don't have a team of attorneys. I'm not gonna, how am I going to find this anonymous person who's threatening my children, you know? Yeah. So do you have no sense of who this person is? And, you know, they are a, either a voluntary or involuntary surrogate of Amy. I mean, there's no evidence that Amy knows, you know, has endorsed Where's this person? I don't know who this person is, and I don't know if they have any connection, but what I do know is that they were in defense of Amy Griffin, and they had a problem with my reporting, and they thought that it was appropriate for them to threaten my children because they disliked what I was reporting on. It's definitely, I mean, in my opinion, IMO. It's a friend of hers, and whether she knows about it or not is is is it reminds me of this situation in Alaska, which I'm going to get to in a second. It's like, did the Democrat candidate know that? Her establishment and her operatives are going out there finding another guy named Dan Sullivan to run for Senate against the Dan Sullivan that is the center. That is the craziest story. But did she know or not know? We'll never know. It's never going to happen. You can't find somebody through Signal, right? She just comes up as just a lady and that's it. No, and I've got proper precautions. I feel like I'm well protected. But in the end, And I mean, when you start to cover something that, you know. is involving important people, sometimes things like this come up. And I mean, I've been making content for a while. I know you have too, Billy. And sometimes there's just trolls. But, you know, you can defend Amy Griffin all that you want. You can criticize my reporting. You can criticize the videos that I make. And you can tell me to just trust in the justice system. But you don't get to bring my children into this. No, no, you don't. No, you don't. I stand with you on that. For sure. Katie, there's something that's important for those people who, and I always, I love to talk about how, you know, everybody watches Katie who follows this story. I don't know if they can be seen following her, if they're in the Amy Griffin circle, so they don't, you know, but they're all, they're all viewing the content. I'm sure I'm related to someone Someone who gets into the car after work and goes right. Right, to see if there's anything lately. See what crap I put up online? No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, no. Well, and did you see the appeal? Yeah, there's some updates. There's some things happening. There's a hearing tomorrow. Thank And Jane Doe has actually filed an appeal against the Penguin Random House. Yeah, how did they get out? I mean, in your opinion, like, how does Penguin Random House get to say? Yeah, we have no culpability here. We have no responsibility for claims made in people's books that we publish. you. I just don't get that. Of course you do. You do. I think that someone needs to be held accountable here. If it's not Amy, if it's somebody, who's responsible? Unless there's a document signed by Amy that says, okay, you have entire jurisdiction over your own material, your lawyers, everything. thing, you know. Even still, I'd say, if you're putting your Penguin PRH stamp, you know, on the book. Well, and I'll say, too, like, even as some of the discovery has come out that they use to help support the anti-slap motion, so they've put through, like, drafts of the tell that have come out. I mean, Amy's side submitted 250 pages with most of them blacked out, but the pages that you could see, you can see over on the side, the little usernames, and the comment users will say SL and then a series of numbers and then FW in a series of numbers. And I can only assume WF or FW may be Whitney Frick. And so if she had involvement in the drafts and the publishing, as time goes on, I would think the Penguin Random House might have some responsibility. In my opinion, I think what's happening- I want to talk to Whitney Frick. I think Whitney Frick is a really interesting character. She's been at Dial Press a long time. She's been in the publishing game a long time. She's considered to be one of the best, and she can pick a book. She's got the formula. She knows what to do. Here's A, B, and C for success. Right. I want to find her. I would like to chat with her. I wonder if she was there during the James Fry situation where when Oprah, you know, dragged his ass back out on her set and made him grovel. I mean, she's not doing it here. No, no, she's not. I wonder if the lawsuit if if. If it ends up going against Amy, I wonder if Oprah, for credibility's sake, has to do that and bring her back and say, I think Oprah should do it now. I've invited Amy. I'd love to have a chat with her here. I'd love to engage in some type of dialogue with her. I really would. I don't know that she's going to choose me. Please choose me, Amy. Please choose me. But if she doesn't, Oprah, this could be an opportunity. I wonder I wonder if Oprah sent the text that just says, hey. If you're reconsidering anything or like, you know, you want to come back on and sort of explain anything or, you know, please, please do. Well, here's my bid. How about how about you? Let me do the interview. I'll lead it. Amy, Oprah, let's all sit down together. We'll have a chat. Just women, you know, let's talk about. Oh, I'm out. All of us. Yeah, I'm out. Hey, I don't know, there seems to be something, yeah, there's something about you, Billy, I'll tell you what, though, that you are under Amy's skin, and she's, I don't know what it is, but- I think the encounter with Amy is what got the larger publications to start covering it, and that report, and now the New York Post, I think, is sort of on it, which is crazy, because I would have thought that they would have been on it from the beginning. You know what I've been wondering is, do you think that Amy called Jen Meyer? To ask, like, hey, don't let Billy come to the wedding. I would have, no, no. You don't think she'd do that? No, because Jen Meyers' best friend is Billy's girlfriend. So it just like- You never know the audacity of some people, but it just makes you wonder. Yeah, no, there's definitely, there's, I'm sure she, to tangential people around, but maybe not directly to the bride. Maybe, maybe, I don't know, not shared with me. But there's definitely knew I was there. And in my opinion, it felt to me like came to the wedding because I was there. I think actually came to see me, to view me like an animal in a cage, the zoo, like be around me. I honestly. I think that is the case. Katie, there's one more thing I have to address with you that is an interesting fact about Katie and Casey for those who follow and follow her content and follow. And if you haven't, you know, do so. Uh... That is, how tall are you? I am six foot tall. Six one-ish, somewhere around there. Six one. And when you pop on the, how tall is your husband? He's about six eight. He's six eight? Oh, okay. So when you got the heels on, six, four, six, three? What's the curiosity, Billy? Yeah, I mean, once you put a couple inches on your feet, you... Amy's tall, but I think Amy's taller. This would be like... And I'll tell you what, too, Billy, I don't have an indoor voice. So people usually know when I'm around. And now with the red hair, I really am sticking out like a sore thumb. What a presence. I think that's just so awesome. Katie, great job. Thank you so much. And whoever is in New York sending messages that have to do with Katie's children, cut it out. Cut it out. Stop. You know what? Yeah, yeah. Just cut it out. Cut it out. You're on notice. Thank you, girl. I appreciate it. You have a great rest of your day. You too. Follow Katie and Casey. She does great reporting. She really does. She finds things. She's got the, she's got the. By the way, it's not the only thing she does. She's got, you know, she has a real job and this is, she's finding documents and things. It's, that's tough stuff. That's what I love about content creators and the internet and, you know, it's like, I've said this before to you guys, and that is, you know, it's tough to be a publicist these days. A publicist is generally a hired liar, right? They spin on behalf of their client, but you really can't spin anymore I mean, cell phone data and social media and sleuthing and it just, the truth always comes out and it will always come out. So, you know, just own up, tell the truth. There's no other way around it. So anyway, the New York Post has gotten into this thing. I'm telling you guys, it's some of, it's really well done. This article by Kirsten Fleming. I've got it in front of me here. Yeah, billionaire author Amy Griffin has completely lost the plot, if she ever had a real one. It's, this is the kind of New York Post writing I grew up on. Amy Griffin is starting to unravel along with the veracity of her story. The billionaire author of The Tell, a memoir in which she claimed to have undergone illegal MDMA therapy and recovered memories of being repeatedly SA'd by a middle school teacher, confronted frequent critic Billy Bush at Jennifer Meyer's star-studded nuptials this month. Hey, one woman's wedding is another female guest's forum to go full Jerry Springer. Pretty funny. According to the host of Hot Mics and Unhinged, Griffin approached him sweating and shaking, telling Bush, you don't know me. In doing so, the paper poked some serious ethical holes in, sorry, and now it seems she reportedly wanted to make the lives of New York Times reporter Catherine Rossman's children miserable because the journalist had investigated how Griffin's very serious allegations reverberated within her hometown of Amarillo, Texas. In doing so, the paper poked some serious ethical holes in her memoir, including the possibility the first-time author had lifted the harrowing abuse accusations from another female classmate. In March of 2026, a woman who grew up with Griffin sued the billionaire investor, saying the published account mirrored her own. Griffin countersued. Suffice it to say, the many controversies surrounding the bestseller remain far more compelling than the book itself. Back in September 2025, the Times reported that the now-retired teacher whose name was withheld in the book but leaked all over town hadn't been seen since publication. Also noted was Griffin's husband, John's sizable investment in psychedelic-assisted therapy, a fact left out of the tell. And despite an expert telling the paper that MDMA-recovered memories are largely symbolic, Griffin used them as the foundation of her explosive account. No other victims of this teacher have ever emerged. The piece was a stark contrast to the fawning reception she received on her star-studded book Griffin, whose G9 fund invests in female-owned companies like Goop and Bumble, was lavished with praise from fellow girl bosses like Oprah, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Drew Barrymore, who called the tome a literary masterpiece. Oh, Drew. She reveled in the safety of her A-list affirmation circle. But when the Times appeared to pop some of that bubble wrap, she didn't make herself available to the paper. Instead, she hired a law firm that attacked the reporters for the mere sending of fact-checking questions, writing that it caused additional trauma and extreme physical and emotional harm to a survivor of SA, which is inexcusable. That was a quote. How dare we not take her drug-fueled account that may have crushed an innocent man, one without the resources available to his billionaire accuser, as gospel? Privately, she felt disconnected from my joy, as she told New York Magazine in a recent piece. But her neighbor, Diane Sawyer, and friend Cory Booker told her to lie low and wait it out. But was she lying low or lying in wait? This week, Semaphore reported that Griffin seethed over Rossman allegedly making miserable, making life miserable for her four children, who are heavily featured in the tale. At Power Agent Ari Emanuel's Aspen Summit, she reportedly said she intended to do the same to Rossman's two kids. Another source said she tried to block the journalist's daughter from getting an acceptance to an American university. A rep for Griffin denied the allegations, saying her remarks were taken out of context and mischaracterized as a threat she never made. Children should be off-limits. We were just talking about that. But it was not Rossman who thrust the Griffin kids into the spotlight. It was Griffin who cast her offspring as supporting characters in her narrative of self-discovery, trauma, and triumph. The book's most shocking bits were Griffin detailing her alleged assault to her then-minors. She described taking her 10-year-old for ice cream to inform the girl that mom had been Not once, but multiple times when she was 12. She wrote of her daughter crying as she ordered her moose tracks on a cone. I remember thinking she'd shattered her daughter's innocence, planting nightmare fuel into the brain over a frozen tree. Parents have a duty to raise resilient and vigilant kids who understand the dangers of the world. Kids, however, deserve to be made to feel safe, especially at a tender age. But to Griffin, unburdening herself was the victory. She wrote that it made her closer to her family, to her kids, who said she became more laid back. That was clearly short-lived. Griffin could learn something from Rossman's son, Ari Ehrlich, who wrote about an ugly affair with self-deprecating humor. In a Substack piece, he called himself a fellow nepo baby and offered support to Griffin's kids and husband. He joked at his younger sister, who took it in stride, quipping, hey, at least I've got some new material for my college application supplementals. This is, well, this is, this is, this is, it really lays out what the whole story is. Thank Does a very good job. And it's the old, it's the old New York Post writing that I recall having grown up in New York, New York. you.