What's Your Point? Overtime | Sept 6, 2026

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AI GeneratedThis discussion examines the systemic failures within Texas's public education and legal systems. It highlights the funding crises and academic decline in schools, the urgent need for vocational training over a \"college-for-all\" approach, and the profound lack of support and trauma-informed care for crime victims navigating the Harris County court system.
Welcome to what's your point overtime where we continue our discussion of
state, national, local, and global issues in a more freewheeling fashion. You know
we got a pretty good viewership Chris Chertico. I know. Okay. I hosted it
straight up. Hey Paul, what do we leave on the table today that we because I know you
know a big old brain of yours we left something on the table today that we
didn't talk about or needs further discussion. Well there's a couple things
going on so locally I think one of the things that's happening is school
started and when school starts you have kids going back you have administrators
who had anticipated X number of kids now seeing the actual numbers that are
showing up and there's a lot of conversation happening right now in the
Houston area about you know enrollment numbers what's happening as a result of
the education freedom accounts and all of those conversations are going hand
in hand with this big question around well what does the future hold right so
my youngest is freshman or sophomore at Texas A&M and he's an engineering
student and it's one of the things that he and I talked about last time he
visited which was dad I don't know what you know my future holds right and if
you scale that back down all the way through kindergarten and you start
asking you know the question around what does it mean to be college career
ready what does it mean to be ready to go into college without having to take
any remedial courses and incur debt without benefit these are all the
questions that superintendents teachers principals are asking and parents
unfortunately a lot of times don't even have the language to ask the right
questions they just trust and hope that the systems that they put their kids
into are doing the right thing and and I feel all of that weight when I'm working
with people that I work with in my current role and and I think that's one
of the things that everyone kind of just feels and it's part of the mood you
know the vibes if you will that are happening and I think that's why we're
in this area you can't control a lot you are seeing people rebel against elements
of that like data centers and flock cameras and what-have-you
average daily attendance it's how we fund it's a key part of the formula if
average daily attendance comes in lower than was budgeted for what kind of
problems is that create it's about 50 to 75 dollars a day per kid for every
absence that occurs depending on the the school and and what people fail to
understand Texas is one of I think 13 states that fund school districts this
way what happens is a school administrator has to you know air
conditioned that seat pay for the teacher who's teaching that empty seat
all those costs are locked the variable income is the thing that causes problems
and so there's the enrollment piece that's one the ADA is another attendance
hasn't rebounded from COVID I think we're still on as a general rule about
four percentage point lower than we used to be before COVID hit and all of those
factors kind of just you know pile up and you know when I talked to
superintendents one of the things they're seeing right now is where the
kids were missing school you know when they in getting started now they're
coming up to grade six and seven grade six and seven took hits this year the
curriculum piles up at grade six and seven and the test starts hitting in a
much more difficult way than it was tested through grade five and so in some
of our districts seventh grade especially math test which is one of the
hardest tests for our kids to take the scores just fell off the table and when
people are wondering why that happened they forget or not we don't forget on
our side but people generally like what happened there what happened there was
what that kid should have learned in terms of ratios proportionality how to
add and subtract division all of those things that got missed along the way add
up and all of a sudden they land there in grade seven and so again if we're
looking at the median kid in Texas the median kid in Houston those are the
questions that we should be asking ourselves as a community are we
preparing those kids for a future that we don't have any idea around and the
answer is we don't know if you listen to Bill King we've got fewer kids with
more options now they can either stay at home they can go to a parochial school
and get a stipend or they can go to their their neighborhood public school
or charge or charter school bill what do you foresee oh yeah I think public
public education I think is gonna be in a long-term decline first of all they've
lost the confidence of the general public and a parent generally speaking
and I think that there are going to be increasing alternatives I don't know
exactly what the effective AI is gonna be but it's gonna be dramatic I mean
really dramatic I'm just sort of blown away just working my own grandkids and
stuff the things you can do with that to have it you know have the AI show them
how to do problems and that sort of thing I think that you know it's people
today talk about uncertainty like things used to be certain you know I think I
changed my major three or four times while I was in college you know and then
even if I got out I still changed a couple times after that I mean we live
in uncertain world that's just the nature of our species history going all
the way back they are changing very fast right now and I can understand that
but I just I don't know I've sometimes feel like we're we think that you know
there's a soul I think it was not sure who said it said that if you want to
make God laugh make a plan you know I think we need to we need to build into
our children some resilience and explain that you know it's not all planned out
you're gonna make changes all through your life I think about my own career
the changes I made during after I got out of school and after I got out of law
school you know it's just it's you know unbelievable how many different changes
there were along the way so I just think you've got to be prepared to be more
flexible probably today than ever but it's always been like that to some
degree yeah one of my favorite lines is hope is not a strategy you know and just
hoping that public schools will get better with diminishing funding doesn't
seem like a good tactic or a good strategy lockdowns really really go
ahead tomorrow so what I was gonna say when you talk about the sixth and
seventh graders those are the kindergarteners and first graders that
Cove it happened so they didn't have school they had a mother who had three
kids maybe on the seven she couldn't teach those kids how to learn you learn
how to learn in kindergarten in first grade to lose critical years like that
there's been nothing done on a wide scale to try to put those kids back on
track so as Paul said when they get in a six or seven that's when it shows up and
I don't see them doing anything even now they could still they I think I feel
they should have forced summer school on all kids when school got back in just to
see where are they instead of what they're doing but it brings me to the
point of what I was saying last week I am having thank God for Houston City
College I am having an event on September the 17th at 6 30 p.m. a good
hope Baptist Church where they are going to come and they're going to talk about
the certificates that you can get to get a job right now plumbing assistant
electrical assistant HVAC computers cosmetology CNAs AI training computer
science training because every child is not college bound and they have no
certainty and they have no direction this way find out what you like and you
can get a certificate and Bill said I went on a chemical engineering
scholarship if you ask me one day I think about it right now I couldn't tell
you nothing at all I changed careers multiple times but if we don't do
something to give these children something to hold on because that's what
they need stability I mean they're gonna just be floundering you you see the
crime and it's younger and younger and younger and younger but you've got to do
something to get them back on track because the public school system that we
all hit it does not exist in so if we had a flock camera in April at Gary's
house during during COVID I guarantee you there was you'd see her with a
chancla going to school is putting them and getting them out of their comfort
zone and put them in a place where they can actually learn I can tell you right
now my children didn't learn squat during COVID all right I am the worst
teacher and that's why I respect teachers so very much because but I
don't know how the people that do homeschooling do it because my kids are
just the house they're just vibing they're living they're having a great
time but at school they know they have to buckle down their cell phones are not
there their little iPads are not there the dogs not over there licking them you
know and I just feel that our society today I when I graduated was in 2007 and
I feel like I wasn't prepared for the world I wasn't and that was way back
then and my children now I'm starting to wonder is the school system that they're
in right now preparing them for the world they're trying to you know they
found the cell phones they're trying to spend less time on computers in the
school I don't know if I agree with that because now our phones are in our
computers are a part of everyday life we have to learn how to navigate and
integrate with AI and figure out how we can use this for our benefit and not
allow it to harm our future generations but we can't get away from it now it's
here to stay. There is no more ferocious advocate supporter of public education
than Chris Tritico and I kind of saved you for last because you can hear what
are your four good friends here had to say. Way back in 2007. Hey I was the last
graduating class without a cell phone. I graduated before computers had been
invented so I was really good at algebra until they added the Y and it
got tough. You know I was gonna be a lawyer. You know the the it's interesting
to hear you know I'm glad you're doing that event because in the course of my
career in representing teachers when I first started in in in my career when I
first started representing teachers which was 30 days after I got my law
license and it's been close to 40 years now CE courses were a big part of every
school district and shortly after I started we started moving away from that
and we started canceling CE courses and it was such a huge mistake yeah I've
been railing against that for years and we're now starting to move sort of back
into that just a little bit but we're not doing it the way we did when I first
started 40 years ago where we had just course after course after course and
getting kids who didn't want to go to college or couldn't go to college into
areas were like HVAC or things like that. Automechanics. Automechanics is hard now
because it's all computing but but those areas we should be moving kids that
don't want to go to college or aren't going to go to college into those areas
and in high school is a place to do it but we don't. One more thing I've been
working all summer started about six eight months ago on it on a documentary
that's coming out towards the end of this month or maybe early next month
called The Long Game and it's about the state of public education that that I
believe in the documentary will show that our our state government is is in
the in the business of killing public education in Texas. Absolutely. And it's my
belief that the governor and he has said it that the governor is trying to sell
off our public schools to billionaires so that they can profit make profit off
of our off the backs of our children and the documentary will be out shortly and
we'll show that. I'm sorry one quick thing what Paul said about attendance
none of us said why a lot of kids are not going to school they're scared of
ice. Absolutely I have multiple guy kids who teach and they're like they're not
coming and if one isn't coming the sibling not coming I know because it's
not just one kid usually it's three they're not coming because they're so
afraid their mom's gonna get picked up or the dad whoever dropping them off
gonna get picked up or that they might get picked up. That is critically
happening right now after the Salgado case they're terrified. Paul are you
getting that kind of intel anecdotally? Yeah so you know I made a commitment
that I wouldn't forget Lorenzo Salgado Ralpho's name and the reason for that is
we forget it's easy to forget we get distracted we have a lot of other things
that show up in our lives and at the same time this was a man who raised you
know who moved here when he was 17 he raised his children here as American
citizens and they have gone on to become productive people in our community and
there are people who are trolling them calling you know calling them wetbacks
saying that they need to go back and all these terrible things so our community
has been rocked before and has been resilient I think it's important for us
to remember that and the reality is there are families and this is
happening right now ICE is going to bus stops to pick up people and when I heard
that I thought it's impossible that that's not possible and of course it's
possible of course that's happening and when you have families who have to
choose between you know getting possibly arrested or having their children
educated that's a real problem and again there are a lot of people who
think well that's what they deserve they broke the law you know all these things
like okay well and you know I don't know how those same people you know put on a
tie go to church this morning and when when you know if you read the red
words in the Bible it's whatever you do to the least of my people right and if
you don't look at the Hispanics who you know clean our houses cook our food you
know build our roads as the least of our people then you're not paying
attention all right first of all pitch the work of my colleague Karis who
spoke to Rinaldo this week we have Salgado family interview on Fox 26 you
can find it there Paul is there alternative way of funding
schools that is not so dependent on average daily attendance what's the
alternative I mean honestly one of the things that you could look at is there's
a model that's currently being built it's Tifa it's the Educational Freedom
Act so those dollars are set they're paid at a quarterly rate and they've
established a ten thousand five hundred dollar amount and that is based in part
upon the amount of money that's being spent in the public system and I think
there is a model there that could be sought after and again most districts do
look at enrollment there's a lot of things that Texas actually does well
when it comes to public education one of them is it's done a better job of
getting really clear about what the goal is the goal is now going to be shifting
to what happens to a child after they graduate five years after graduation is
one of the things that the state is shifting towards which is aligned with
what organizations like the Greater Houston Partnership has been concerned
about and some other organizations which is our kids prepared enough
through k-12 to go out into the workforce and to be making a livable
wage and I think that amount is now set at $45,000 per person $60,000 per
family but is that the amount of money and if you can't do that right now we're
sitting I think at 20% of kids who five years after graduation are hitting that
dollar amount you know that's a problem and so those are the kinds of questions
and this is where you know I'm a proud independent because as what Democrats
that I you know I like and I agree with they're the ones who are really pushing
our educational system to make sure that we're holding our schools and our and
our districts accountable for getting kids where they need to be there are a
lot of superintendents right now who despite budget cuts are putting together
these really good career and technology programs they've gone to their
communities and they've asked for bonds to build career technology vocational
ed centers to prepare that workforce that is not college-bound but is is very
much aligned with hey we're gonna go out and make you know do right for our
families and come in our community that's awesome and those are the types
of celebrations that we should be having and and what that has to be that has to
be a partnership where community leaders get behind school boards when the school
board say hey we're gonna go and ask for a bond to do this specific work to
create the community that we want for our future but but that's that all needs
to happen together and it's hard yeah you know no one ever accuses me of being
the sharpest knife in the drawer but we've been talking about this for a long
time you know why does it make sense for a kid to go work on the yard crew with
his dad when the path for upward mobility is to stay in school and learn
how to get a job like HVAC like welding like auto repair like a whole range of
things that that takes a $35,000 a year income to 90 to 100 it's the path to to
economic mobility and it's available to particularly these families who have a
tradition of working hard for so long the public school system you know
eschewed that and said everybody needed to go to yeah yeah you know and so look
if you're you know a young Hispanic man and you're going to school and they're
so we're gonna prepare you to college and you know there's no way you're ever
gonna go and your dad needs you to go help lay brick and you can make you know
a few hundred dollars a week doing that then it's a rational decision to make
for them I want to add something Chris said here which is even if you are
college-bound there are some practical things you need to know in life and we
had shop when I was in high school I took that but more importantly than that
in the summers I work for the pipe fitters or I work for the carpenters
my dad and so there's actually a bunch of stuff I know how to do now around the
house which makes my wife very happy and it's just there but but things like
even like on financial being able to balance your check yes we understand we
know buying health insurance or buying car insurance and I don't understand why
the public school system is sort of turned up their nose to all that like
well that's you know we're getting people ready to go to you know MIT or
whatever well most your kids are not going to go to MIT you know yeah yeah
you want to see Bill King tickled I went up to his attic he completely rebuilt it
and did it all the work himself Wow pretty pretty solid scale gas scales
you know another thing is that the other issue is that a lot of people that live
within poverty lines and are low income also do not qualify to apply their
federal grants towards these types of programs and guess what you have to pay
for the program completely up front versus if you want to take the
traditional four-year path now that has changed recently in the last couple of
years they've added more tech programs that you can do but back then that was
not available you have to pay out of pocket well at the event that I'm
hosting on September the 17th at 630 p.m. at Good Hope Baptist Church at 3015
North McGregor they are bringing the financial aid because they have many
they have government non-government scholarships available to help you
through this program that's good and you get a certificate they have
companies waiting to hire you because let me be clear now you can say what you
want to say about who didn't laugh who not here anymore as our host said Greg
he noticed the difference when he went to the grocery store immediately when
they first started I started threatening people a lot of construction companies
are hurting yes because they do not have the workers and so they have companies
ready to hire you I'm telling you big ma me ma get your get your kids over
here so they will not be sitting there on that damn game on that phone on that
computer but out here making money where they can absolutely learn how to build a
computer or work on a computer I got them come I gotta ask these two because
they are two of the most ferocious and well-known victim and public safety
advocates in our city and one of the new components in this budget bill and
you correct me if I'm wrong is a brand new Department of Public Safety
what it what can y'all tell us about it bill you want to start it's not in the
budget it's something that Rodney has proposed over and above additional five
million dollars what are they gonna do they basically have three programs down
there that are supposed to try to help people in crisis sort of intervention
type programs they have three different ones there's very little date on how
effective these things don't we already have a program we have three of them in
Harris County and so this would set up a department to oversee those three those
three existing programs so look I'm gonna pull those three in and add some
administrators over on top of it we need more those we really don't have very
good data about whether they're effective or not the city of Houston has
a very similar program but it's it's it's in the police department as part of
their you know overall so like this is just another Empire sort of building
thing but I'm gonna go back for a second to the education stuff because there's a
couple of things the role that the community colleges are playing today is
more important than it's ever been yes I mean they are really the ones out there
on the cutting edge of this they're doing a lot of joint programs with high
school so you get college credits mm-hmm it's still too damn expensive though I'm
helping a couple of young people one get a nursing and one get a forensics
science degree and I mean it's gonna cost you know $5,000 a year so it's
still too much money and we've got to figure out how do we get these kids in
education without them having to go in debt to get back it up dr. Margaret Ford
Fisher who is the chairman of Houston City College who is the creator of
online courses who understood a long time ago that college is expensive they
don't have time to come in let's make it so they can do this at home mm-hmm they
are bringing in corporations that who are looking to get more computer
intelligent educated rather people and they are given scholarships because yes
college is high but a community college is a hell of a lot cheaper than a four
year college way cheaper way way cheaper I mean no comparison look I in my 26
years here did some reporting over it in particular San Jacinto College they had
a they have auto mechanic training program where all of the manufacturers
come in and have a presence there right they have commercial truck driving
training there they have an applied an applied associate degree crafted by the
petrochemical plants that after two years those guys graduate immediately
make 75 or 80 with all of the all of the overtime they can handle to where
they're 23 years old making six figures buying homes paying cash for trucks I
mean you know it's out there they got the biggest nursing school today and as
the former assistant to the Dean of Prairie View College of Nursing I would
tell many students because Prairie View College of Nursing is very small they
would be so devastated that they didn't get in I would send them straight to
San Jack and send them straight to HCC because there's only one nursing board
tax exam in the state of Texas everybody take it you just taking it
with an associate and she's taking it with a bachelor's but baby once you are
in there's not a hospital on the planet that won't pay for you to become it get
your bachelor's degree nursing nursing has changed in hospitals will not hire a
nurse with an associate's degree anymore you have to have a bachelor's degree to
work at a hospital and so everyone has quit quit offering an associate's degree
for nursing and they all only offer bachelor's degrees because no hospital
will hire you with associates anymore so it's been about so so one of the this is
a great conversation by the way what gets measured gets done right and one of
the things that I know the state is moving towards is having a way to line
up the incentives that it measures schools by with what we're having the
conversation about here which is is Johnny is Susie are they prepared for
what's gonna the world that they're gonna face and right now there's so much
information out there that it's hard to discern and figure out what to do to
advise a kid because you know and Bill brought something up and I think it's
interesting because I think what Bill brought up a minute ago was it was true
maybe five years ago but right now when you talk to school administrators and
school leadership and boards there is this strong shift moving towards
vocational ed and career technology in large part because they they they know
that like they haven't been doing right by a lot of their kids right because
especially when you look at we talked to school district sometimes and the
reality is schools getting harder and harder for kids and they're not prepared
and when they're not prepared they're having to take these remedial courses
the remedial courses add make them add debt and then they drop out because they
feel like failures now they're dropping out with college debt and that makes you
know school boards feel miserable and everyone feels bad and and at the end of
day the kid has has debt on their hands so thankfully we are moving in that
direction but it's slow and the kind of conversation that's happening here needs
to be happening in schools with kids now I do want to talk about that that those
programs I've had so many you know politicians state and local who reach
out and they all listen and they're so good at listening and then they bring
out their their legal pads and they write things down and I say things like
hey do you have programs that in any way match the amount of money you spend on
people who are released from prison who go back into the world and they said
we're working on that and so David was killed five years ago and the working on
that seems to be taking a lot longer than I would have thought nobody and
nowhere in the budget is there anything for victims you know and I'm thinking
about a specific friend whose whose husband lost his job after her after
their son was killed and so I think there were five different shooters who
were involved she had to go and you know mom had to go to these different places
and track down all the different trials and it was just a fiasco and all of that
happened and dad couldn't take it and had to quit his job right before he was
retirement eligible right mom got let go because she was having to go all these
trials and she was employed by a very well-known organization here in Houston
and lost her job right and so each of these people lost their jobs and no one
reintegrated them back into the community when they lost a child there
are no services for victims and no matter who I talk to about this
everyone's like oh that's really sucks nobody wants to imagine what it's like
to be a victim you can imagine what it's like to be arrested wrongly or whatever
and so we have this big interest or people and I understand this I have no
problem with the funding going there I do think it should be a match of some
sort I'm advocating for a dollar for dollar match how about a nickel for a
dollar how about for every dollar you spend on criminals reintegrating back
into the community you spend a nickel getting victims the help that they need
and not the BS victims services thing that we get I still get this and I got
this this week I got a text from the Texas Vine Network Gerald Wayne Williams
you know is up for something and it literally said unknown and the unknown
thing is happening this week if you have any questions call this number so I call
the number Harris County clerk it goes to voicemail and then it hangs up so I
use thankfully I have phone numbers for people and so I texted somebody in the
DA's office and the DA's office said oh well it's a pro se case he's brought
himself up he's saying that he didn't have DNA evidence used and he is asking
for a time in court well I happen to know how to use the system and I happen
to get people who call me back but if I was just a regular person trying to work
the system I get this horrifying email on this horrifying text message in the
middle of the day and nowhere to go there's nobody and go look at the Harris
County Court websites there are links for every type of person who has any
interaction whatsoever with the court except for victims yeah see that seems
now I applaud you that I mean Paul because my mama had a heart attack
within two months after my brother was killed right my daddy had a stroke six
weeks later right never recovered no and I never even thought about that until
you brought until you brought up there was nobody to help them nobody my
mother could only stay at her job because she had been there so long but
they would only let her come back part-time right we all had to send
money so she could pay the house note mm-hmm but it was nobody there to help
her nobody nobody broken hearts are real man we can
open hearts bill uncovered something that is deep dive deep dive in the into
this spending plan that's proposed and I asked him why does the Department of
Equity need a 70% increase and Bill said they're funding a lot of that money
is going for apprentice programs right now is that really their role and maybe
the money should be going to to crime victims you know we've got different
entities that can provide these apprenticeship and training why are we
doing it or is it just a payout to the unions because the unions they're
funding the union programs that are providing the apprenticeships there's
about four million dollars it was came through ARPA money and and and there was
just a pass-through and it went to the unions to run apprentice and there was
also some kind of computer training you know vocational computer training when
ARPA money cut off the county decided they were going to start having the
taxpayers pay for that which I don't agree that's the county's role you know
and this is the problem I have the county government will not stay in its
lane its job is not you know job training leave that that community
colleges leave that to people that actually know what the hell they're
doing because when you go start looking into this there's also there's always a
political connection you know well why would the Democrats being funding unions
to run apprentice but I wonder why you know I promise you if we go start
looking into this company that's got this you know computer training program
we're gonna find you know a campaign donor or somebody's brother-in-law or
somebody connected to that and this is one of the problems here is county
county government is not municipal government it's not the state government
it was organized by the state to do very specific things and the problem you've
particular case who want to expand that role into something it's not and by the
way I think you're gonna start seeing lawsuits from the state about the
spending on some of these programs because I don't think they're authorized
by the state constitution for a county to do it it's like Lena trying to get
into early childhood or trips to France let me talk about what you mentioned
about the victim thing Texas could learn a lot from Florida when Maria died their
victim services people called me and sent me a form to fill out and I called
them back and I said I don't I don't need anything and they said we'll fill
it out and send it in with your receipts from the funeral and whatever
else you have I said I'm fine I'm not worried about it and in about three
months later they called back we don't have your form I said I told you I don't
need it and they would not leave me alone until I filled it out and they
paid for her funeral and I finally I was fine I'll fill it out and they sent me a
check for the funeral they would not stop until they sent me that money and
it was very nice of them but what you're saying about Texas Florida was I
mean they would not they it was harassing for them to give me the money
I didn't want it so what they the way they treated it there and in the way
they handled the court appearances for me is different not only different it's
it's 180 degrees different and so Texas could do a lot in learning how Florida
handles those things. Minneapolis too, my mom couldn't afford my brother was killed
on his birthday in Minneapolis and Minneapolis flew us to Minneapolis put
us up in a hotel make sure that the taxis was there on time to get us to
Hennepin County Court and all of that and no charge. They didn't do that. They did
they were like no we want you to come here we need y'all to be here you know
to show that your brother you know was a human had a life and all this and and
everything and you ain't getting nothing like that in Texas. You barely get a call.
So here you know to walk through the nightmare the simplest thing would be to
have a person sit down with you and say here's what's about to happen to you
right right yeah yeah and so you're gonna get into a line with the whole
bunch of people who have ankle monitors and included might be the person who did
violence to your family and as simple fix is you're not gonna get in that line
no if you here's like your special ticket and you show it here and somebody
will gather up all of the people and we will take you through the tunnels and we
will take you to the right courtroom because by the way this happened look
across the hallway there's the SOB who killed my son he's literally five feet
away from me right no police officer in the hallway and I like the only thing
that prevented me from just like just going after him in the middle of the
hallway was I don't want to mess up the trial that was it right because every
other cell in my body was even if you go down go down swinging right but freaking
try nobody tells you how long the system takes to operate right no and they're
not responsive I would tell him so you go back to work right go back to work
and you're trying to get your work done and then the freaking phone rings and
who is it it's your victim's advocate hey how's it going how do you think it's
going you know like that's the stupidest thing you could ask but no one trains
them to not call in the middle of the day so finally I had to have a
conversation with the woman and I said look I said the only people who are
allowed to call me are my kids and my mom that's it everybody else texts and
then calls because I need to get ready for a call I can't just like take it
take a call in the middle of a workday to add and then if so I'd always ask I'm
like do you have any updates for me oh no no has anyone from the DA's office
no no one's reached out you're my victim's advocate don't you have any
information oh I can't see what's in the system then why are you calling me are
you calling just to say hi that's the stupidest thing ever nobody understands
the nightmare of the process and because there's no one to turn to right there's
no person to say hey by the way the person who's responsible for doing this
really sucks because there's nobody responsible on the other end of the
spectrum the person who killed him gets a very well-paid attorney who represents
them okay the DA's office doesn't represent me it represents the state of
Texas the people of the state of Texas and I would ask do I need to hire an
attorney like what do I what am I supposed to do nobody had any advice and
you never think about it none of you were thinking oh this could happen to me
on July 4th 2021 I thought I was going to an Astros game on you know in two
days and I had two days off and I was so excited about having some time off to
spend with my kid I spent the morning of July 6 meeting with the college
counselor and David to talk about University of Florida and how he's gonna
get a full ride because oh by the way he's a national merit scholar right that
was the day he was killed so you don't think about that worst day our system
are all of you who listen to me and took notes and did nothing or on the
hook for this because you haven't done anything okay all you've done is fake it
and there has to be somebody I've not gone to the funding community I'm like
something there's got to be something but at a minimum there should be a link
on every district court website if you are a victim click here and there should
be a human on the other end of that click who responds to you and there
I'm proud of you because you did nothing the only reason I didn't go to jail when
they came went back with the verdict was because my mother was pleading because
when he laughed I leaped over the bench and tried to literally break his neck
and they grabbed me I mean just threw me back down and the man was like look it's
emotion you know the trial is over the judge was like you know you you got you
gonna be this I say you saying all this to me but you didn't say ---- that it's
just kill my little brother you didn't say nothing nothing to him and I don't
know what happened but we got a call 30 days later he was dead yeah he didn't
live 30 days you have four people on this panel that have lost loved ones at
the hands of violence and crime and we have experienced a system that needs to
be fixed it has a lot of cracks and many of us fell through those cracks I feel
like we need to have more victims in a position within these places to train
and help because unfortunately the people that are handling those things
right now have not experienced what we've experienced show your budget and
I'll tell you your values yeah I'm gonna volunteer all four of them you want to
fix the system this season the four people to start with yeah to start with
give them some money do it you know give them some free I will help you for
free so no family will go through that because I almost lost my mama and my
daddy at the mother brother died because it almost killed them yep and when you
feel nobody cares that is the hardest thing because as Paul said people are
afraid to even ask you how you doing because they know how you doing how do
you think I'm doing so y'all got to do something because the criminals got a
billion options free room and board three meals a day the victim's family
don't get nothing what do they do you add to that that the vast majority of
crimes never go so Bill was there a significant increase for the public
defenders office in this in this proposed budget million seventeen
million yeah in an office that has gotten repeated double-digit increases
over in the previous years right I think nothing for victims I didn't say
anything I just asked to level the playing field what criminals get crime
victims should get to they get free parking they get babysitting they get
clothes it's ridiculous and there needs to be a process in the Harris County
system where we don't have to encounter the murderers that killed their loved
ones there should be a system as there isn't you have to go through security
you have to park your vehicle you have to go through the same entrances you
have to go through everything the same way same elevator same everything
there's a lot of strong emotions there was many times where we couldn't take
our many family members into the court because we knew that we're gonna
encounter them and there was no telling when it was going to happen it's really
something this system is broken for families who are facing multiple court
appearances and are trying to to hold down jobs does it become onerous for
them absolutely so Wendy is a hairdresser she shut down her salon she
never went back the last day she worked was a day before Arlene passed away she
couldn't she couldn't keep up with the mental load she couldn't keep going and
then still have to fight for justice and unfortunately months after Arlene was
killed no charges because we had an inadequate activist prosecutor I told
her a fourth grader could have done better than that you know I've I spent
40 years defending people accused of crime and the system you know we we say
that we say that the longer it takes the better off it is for the defendant
that's that's typically true that's generally true in after Maria's murder I
began to rethink that that premise because I didn't know until it happened
to me that what it did to you mm-hmm how it felt and so I still do my job every
day and I still I still defend my clients the best of my ability but I now
have in my in the back of my mind what am I doing to these people every time I
reset my case every time I reset a trial I'm resetting a trial because I need to
reset this trial I don't reset a trial for the sake of resetting a trial if I
ask for continuance is because I have to I don't do it anymore because I'm just
doing it and I have a reason and a justifiable reason for doing it it's
changed the way I practice law because of what my experience it's I'm not I've
still got my clients interest at heart because that's my job and the
Constitution requires it but this has materially changed my practice well I
mean as all of your friends and I bring you on to the show and as Paul once
said you exhume your loved ones and refill the feelings and you do it for
the public's good we're trying to make everyone understand because it could be
your family next yeah or if it is happening to someone that you know you
will have some insight of the barriers that they are dealing with if you have
an opportunity to advocate for this mistreated group of people where no one
is doing right by them crime victims so I salute you I honor you and because it
is not easy all very close personal friends and I know how tortured a loss
tortured you are by the loss of those you love and so thank you you know I
there are people out there now saying thank you as well so you know Paul what
would it look like at the county level should we have a standalone department
do we is it is it a I mean do we you know what what what are what are some
fundamental advances we need to make so channel 2 ran a story about this program
that Commissioner Ellis is behind a million for just for this I think
Greenspoint is the only community that it's it's working through and it's to
help people turn their lives around or avoid crime or whatever again yay for
that I'm not trying to take that money away what I'm saying is there's a whole
bunch of those right and there's not one not one source of education of
information for victims nothing and what should happen is there should be you
know and I'm not sure whether it should be funded by the county maybe this is
something we should turn to some philanthropic people to to come in and
step in because at times you're gonna have to be poised against you know the
government poised against the people who are supposed to be helping out just so
you can know like what are your rights what are your rights as a victim what
are what do you have so you know and again what I recommended way back long
ago to the DA's office under a former district attorney was at a minimum you
should have a timeline that is fairly accurate that tells you what's going to
happen and like resets I didn't know what I did not know that like it was an
automatic that the first time we were gonna show up to court it was gonna be
reset I was ready for like I didn't know what to be ready for because nobody told
me right nobody prepared me for what that was gonna look like having someone
sit down with you know at a minimum you can have videos this is not very
complicated it could be an easy lift but there needs to be a person right who's
been trained in trauma-informed training and trauma-informed training goes like
this hey when you talk to a person they're not to remember anything you
have to say right so you're gonna have to write this down and you're not gonna
write it down in legalese you're gonna write it down in plain English you're
gonna have pictures you're gonna have videos you're gonna follow up with them
and you're gonna call them and say hey don't forget tomorrow is your court case
here's what you need to be ready for here's how you should dress here's where
you're gonna show up I'm gonna be there when you walk through the doors and I'm
gonna sit with you before we go across the hall to go to the murder case great
but something that simple doesn't take a lot and I've already met with all the
decision makers in this nobody's done anything and again like I when I got
trained as a principal it was show me your budget and your master schedule and
I'm going to tell you what your values are as a school and I'm telling you
right now that's it for the jillions of dollars we're spending not a single
dollar is going towards actual victim services and that that's a that's a fix
that's possible but it would require listening to informed people who
understand the inside of the system to figure out how to get around it but also
you know like this doesn't have to wait again we don't have to wait longer this
should be fixed me I'll make this commitment to you all four of you as
long as this platform exists we will advocate for victims rights and we will
demand that that public officials do the right thing by this on the unserved group
of citizens the victims you know it is it is what we can do we can we can we
can let our voice be heard hopefully somebody is listening all right you know
incredible conversation absolutely and you know I I thank you Greg okay thanks
for joining us for what your point overtime I hope you'll come back we'll
be here have a good week
