Exposing How Data Centers are the Backbone of the Beast System w/ Sarah Westall

Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason and a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. If you look around what's happening right now, one of the most important issues, especially here in America, is the construction of all these data centers. Not only are these data centers bad for the environment, they're bad for the water, they're putting off EMFs, they're changing the temperature locally, but the bigger picture is that, in my own belief, they are the infrastructure for a beast system. They are the infrastructure for a control grid that you have to partake in if you want to have access to society. And that is frightening to me because I don't want to do that. I'm a very independent person ever since I was a little kid. I do not trust authority. And I do not trust the big government having all this data and them telling me what I can and cannot do. And so this is a really, really important issue. But one of the most important factors of this is the ability to get more of our fellow Americans to understand this system as it's being built. And that's why they've been so aggressive with their censorship campaigns, especially on public platforms like YouTube, where they will not allow these kinds of conversations to reach the masses because they want the masses focused on the latest celebrity scandal, the NFL draft, the local NASCAR race, whatever it is. They don't want them focusing on these topics. And so joining me today is my good friend Sarah Westall, who is also a fellow podcaster. She's had a show for actually much longer than I have. And we're going to be talking about this system that's being built, what it means, the beast system aspect of it, and her own fight against censorship and against the campaigns that have been targeting her from Google and other such companies. So it's going to be a really important issue. If you enjoy it, please share it. If you're make sure you hit that thumbs up button, make sure you subscribe to the channel and all that good stuff. All right, let's get into this discussion with Sarah Westall. Sarah Westall, it's so good to have you back on the show. I always enjoy not just listening to your own show, but just having the opportunity to sit down and talk with you. So thanks for being here. Well, thank you for inviting me, Seth. I love your show as well. Like I told you before we started, you're a unique person in this space, authentic, and people love you. So thanks for inviting me. Yeah, well, and yourself as well. And I think it's, what I'm seeing happening is that there seems to be a, just a separation happening of what you're seeing is a lot of kind of podcasts that a couple of years ago were the alternative podcast. They've gotten really much more mainstream and big, and they've really closely aligned with the Trump administration, like almost to a T, the exact talking points. And I think that what you're is that people that have the discernment are sensing which podcasters and influencers are independent and which aren't. And it's like, for me, I don't care if someone agrees exactly with what I think. If I know that they're being paid to say those things, I will refuse to watch them because that's how it works until it's like, they get me, they get me, they get me until they're told to kind of switch the messaging a little bit. And before you know it, I'm being taken down a path I wouldn't have gone down organically and I can't stand that. And so you're one of the few people I know in this space that is just independent and it's really, really important. Yeah, we're not paid. You can feel it on the back end, but yeah, it is. And you're exactly right where you can feel that distinction where it's like, oh, wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. Exactly. So there's a handful of things I wanted to cover today. I definitely want to get into your lawsuit with Google as one of the kind of big parts of this discussion, but really looking at just what's happening right now in America. And I covered this on my live show this past weekend where we're seeing these data centers are just, they're kind of popping up everywhere. It doesn't matter. I mean, in some cases on the local level, they're able to resist it, but in many cases, it has no use. And so I think that you're a really good person to kind of look at this with because you're not just a trust the plan, a bluntly believe everything. You're looking at objectively and you're saying, hey, there's potentially a digital prison being built. And so I guess when you look at the data centers at Palantir, when you look at all these things, the flock cameras, all this stuff put together, what do you see happening right now in America? Well, I think there's multiple agendas going on into why it's easy to sell it to the people in the industry, because the people putting it to the telecom people who are developing all this stuff and the consultants that are building all this stuff, they wouldn't build it if they realize if they knew they were building a prison environment, right? I mean, they really don't realize that they are. And the reason that it's like that is because, and I'll do this in a non-technical way that people will understand, the way these systems and these applications are written now is they're not efficient like they were before. Okay. We had to be really efficient because the hardware wasn't fast. It wasn't good, right? The hardware has really become a lot better, especially with the quantum computer. It's computing. It's going to get even more so. So things are very fast. They can take inefficient code and they can process it really quickly. And so back when I was doing a way to be really efficient and data centers were still really important, we just had to limit how much data we could plow through because it just wasn't, even though we had all the data models and the databases and all this stuff, we didn't have the computing power that they have now. And so now with this computing power, they can plow through all this data, all this metadata that they're creating. And in order to be able to do that, they need to store it somewhere. And that's what all these data centers are. And so they're putting these up everywhere because they need them. And so that's why the industry is like, well, we need it just for basic functioning. They're not thinking through, well, the capabilities that they actually have. Right. So I'm looking at it from like all different perspectives. I consider myself a system thinker. So I like to look at all the things, you know, create a structure of the way the world is and then keep putting it in. What I love the most is something that changes my structural view of the world. When I get a paradigm change, it's almost like, oh, this is like the best because then I change the structure. But you keep just filling it in and understanding what's really happening. And so there's the prevailing mainstream of why they're doing it. And then there's this other side of what the capabilities are as it's in place. And what people don't realize is they've been working on this for decades and they've been spending 90 to 100 billion dollars a year for decades putting all this in place, all this data tracking, all this data information. You know, Bill Binney, he was the NSA director. He was Snowden's mentor in the Snowden movie. He's somebody that I've interviewed many times and we've gotten to know each other. He created or he built, co-built that 6,000 person NSA center. And, you know, he told me years and years ago that this has been going on since at least the mid 90s, that they've been building out this infrastructure and they can track everybody all the time doing whatever on every device. It's everything has a back door. If you think you have your stuff secure, you're wrong. Everything has a back door. You might be okay if you have something completely off the internet with a Faraday cage around it, maybe you'll be okay, but everything is capable of being tracked. And they are. Now the technology is catching up where they can sift through this data very quickly. And what does that mean? And that's what we can get into if you want. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And so you're kind of looking at what you're saying. I'm glad you framed that as you did. It's like, here's a simple way of looking at it. It's like, okay, we've seen this mass increase in data centers. Well, okay. So it's not like all of a sudden, it's not like say the early two thousands when businesses that didn't have websites, all of a sudden have websites now, right? It's like a lot of the uses of the internet are already pretty established. You have more internet companies and you have, obviously AI is a big part of that, but it's not like we're going through this big transformational change where all of a sudden a billion people are getting onto the internet over the course of say, three or four years, which is what we would have experienced before. But I think the key though is you mentioned data, right? But it's the tracking data. And that's the thing is, okay, looking at here in America, we've got three, 400 million people roughly. And if you look at all of the tracking points of that, where it's like they're collecting data, if you're wearing an Apple watch, okay, every heartbeat is a piece of data. Every movement of your watch is a piece of data. The temperature of your skin, the temperature around you, it's a piece of data. If you're driving a car with this technology, right? Everything around you becomes a piece of data. Your facial scan, what your face is doing, that's data. The flock camera that sees you drive by and realizes you have a small dent on your front right quarter panel, right? This is all data. Your email that you're writing in Gmail, that's data. The screenshots that your Microsoft or your Apple computer is taking every so often as you work, that's data. And this is just the kind of bare minimum of it. It's like this, but this is what's happening is that it's like, okay, these data centers in a large part, they're becoming these massive hubs for surveillance data. It's the data of surveilling every single human being living in America to the best that they can based upon what technology we allow. And then there's the other part of it, which is then the computing power needed to have the AI models process that data and turn it into something such as a social credit score or even something as kind of innocent as an advertising recommendation. Well, and the data centers are needed just to function, right? For us to do our everyday applications. And then the surveillance is on top. All it is is mining what we're doing everyday anyways. So they're saving all that. They want to save it for all this marketing reasons, for just managing your everyday stuff. And then the surveillance is just mining that data and keeping it. They're storing it. And we are a by-product of that. And they've been building this parallel surveillance system for decades. And this is why it's able to happen and why there's a cognitive dissonance because inside these corporations, telecom, banking, healthcare. Healthcare is a little different. It's its own thing, but there is a parallel tracking system, but banking and telecom is a little bit more obvious and transparent. And healthcare, we can dive into that deep, but a lot of people have with the COVID situation and all sorts of things, but banking and telecom has always been parallel systems where they just did, and they would use the reasons of criminal activity or whatever. And so the people working there, they think it makes sense. And it kind of does because we need to be able to tap into any of this information if we need to get a serial killer or whoever's coming in a terrorist cell or whatever, which makes sense. The problem is, is when you turn it on the American people as a surveillance tool. So since the eighties, they had parallel systems. They're tracking this stuff, right? This is all, that's why I say 90 to a hundred billion dollars a year. And so there's this entire infrastructure that's already built and all of these big tech players are part of it. And so are a lot of military defense systems. And I mean, I drew out a whole infrastructure map so people could understand how all of this works and interrelates. Palantir is just one small part of that whole system that I believe that Palantir actually, you could look at it as a double-edged sword. It is the system, the guy, the globalists or whoever you want to call them, the players are taking a company and making it public. They're taking what they've been doing for decades and making it public and more transparent. That is a good part of that. It also though, the flip side of it is they're actually using it publicly and they're telling you what they're doing and the public is not doing anything about it. It's like, we've been so conditioned to realize that when Snowden came out and talked about it and Bill Binney came out and Bill Binney went, wow, has he been targeted? And Snowden, he has been too. He can't even live in this country. So these people who came out when they first came out, it was a big deal. Now we got something like Palantir doing what these guys have been telling you all along and people are pushing back and the masses aren't pushing back. But what they don't realize is Palantir is actually an opportunity to look at something in a transparent way. They're out there in the open and what you've got to realize is there's many, many more companies behind this and an entire system infrastructure behind this. I know people that are working in big tech that are saying the digital idea is already implemented. It's been implemented at the state level for years and now they're just grabbing onto it and making it a federal ID. And the big tech companies are already communicating. They already have all this communication behind the scenes. If they censor one person on one platform, you're censored everywhere. I mean, that's the kind of inner connection that they have written into their software. And that's why it's so important that we have disclosure and we look at what's actually going on because the American people, if you want to have freedom, you need to understand data at an algorithm level. It's really great the way you broke out for people all this different data so it's not a confusing thing. It doesn't have to be confusing. It's pretty straightforward. But it's important that we look at things at an algorithmic level at each algorithm because what we're doing is we're taking functions that used to in processes that people used to do and we're putting it into processes that are behind a black box. Suddenly, because it's behind a black box, we don't question it. No, we should have the exact same amount of scrutiny that we did when people perform those functions as a computer performing those functions. It needs to be transparent if it's acting on the public in any meaningful way. Here's the hard truth. Every six years, your dollar loses half its buying power. 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And that's how I also try to like, I'm very much so as Gary Vee says, clouds and dirt, right? It's like you kind of focus on the dirt, but you focus also on the clouds, right? And I like looking at how I try to understand things as I try to break down things into these kind of simple metaphors or ideas to kind of represent complex kind of topics. And if you look at the systems level of this, one thing I like to kind of try to frame is, okay, what is Silicon Valley? What is big tech? And it's like, that's also part of it because it's like, there's a lot of these different concepts, these big ideas that the ideas are so big and we've known them for so long that you don't question the foundation of that big idea. You just take it as it is. And you look for maybe the lies within that big idea, but you don't question the big idea itself. And I'm convinced that Silicon Valley in and of itself is almost entirely a front for the military industrial complex, right? Whether it's Facebook, which was lifelong, Palantir, you have In-Q-Tel funding all these companies. I mean, of course you have some great kind of startups have done some cool things out there. But I think that fundamentally that it's basically the same thing to do with the military, with private contractors and black ops operations. It's like, okay, we're using private companies to do these, but what if the military through some shell companies and through investment companies, what if they're controlling these so-called private companies and using them to develop these tools? That's exactly what's happening. And I think once a company becomes meaningful and it has the ability to do that, you get a knock on the door and they're suddenly involved, right? The Babybels, they all had NSA guys with their security people. It was just part of how they did business. And I think that you're exactly right what's happening. I think YouTube, if you look at the development of YouTube, they used to say, it's for the average person. It's for all this stuff. I think once it got to the point where it's a critical mass, it was so obvious it shifted, right? I always say 2020 when they kicked everybody off, that was the day the internet died, right? We were in life support, but that's when it died. And that's because of exactly what you're saying. As soon as the company becomes something of critical mass that affects the country in any kind of way, that's when they start to exert their influence. And we saw it, people can look at it just with influencers, right? The influencers who have outsized influence are being manipulated. And that's why there's so few of us who are independent because even the ones that are out there claiming they're independent, if you don't know where their their funding comes from, I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of people who are obviously selling things, but we know that they're funded. There's obvious ones that are big that are clearly not independent, but there's other ones that act like they're independent. And you go and you find out where is their, they have no subscribers. They have no way of looking at how they're getting any kind of funding. If that's not a major red flag, I don't know what is. If you have no idea, at least with me and you and me, I'm so transparent. You can look at everything. I've got my subscribers on Substack. I've got my products that I sell. That's it. Everything that I got, that's how I make my money. It's completely true. You might not like it, but that's it, right? Yeah. And you're complaining like, oh, this guy's a grifter. It's like, why are you still trying to sell me something? It's like, this is how, that's how I survive. This is a family business, right? It's kind of like you walk into a restaurant and like, why are you charging me for this food? It's like, it takes money to make this food for you. It's not just like I tap my heels and your state dinner appears. I mean, it's like, it takes work to like, I've got myself, my wife, I've got a small team. Like that's what it takes to do this. That's right. Yeah. Absolutely. You know exactly. So when somebody comments, and I never have a response for this, I say, if you send me a check so I can pay my mortgage and my bills, I'll stop advertising. And I never get a response ever. But yeah, but the ones that you question the most is where you have absolutely no idea how they're even making it. You know, how are they even funded? Okay. Well, I wonder, right. That's why I have a little bit of an issue with the attack on Palantir only. Okay. Not, not that Palantir doesn't deserve to be attacked and exposed. And it's probably a good thing because it's showing people how this works. What bugs me is if you don't go beyond it, because that tells me it's still a political hit. You know what I mean? Because of the Trump alignment with Peter Thiel and the rumble and all this stuff. It's like, not that I'm, I'm not defending them at all. And it's important that it's exposed. It just feels like a limited hangout if you don't go beyond it. I mean, to use a somewhat controversial kind of analogy, it's kind of like the Jews. Like to me, when everyone just says, the problem is just the Jews. It's like, it's like, there's so much more, there's so much deeper stuff going on here. You have to touch on the Vatican. You have to get into Jesuits. You have to get into the black mobility. You have to get into, it's like, just to like, exactly. It's these blanket statements. It's like, it's like, are there bad people within the Jewish religion that are doing bad things? Yes. Actually, there's quite a lot of them. Are there bad people doing the same things in Christianity and in Buddhism? Yes, there are. Right. But I think it's, it's, it's oftentimes it's this kind of the red herring, right? It's like, Hey, focus over here. Look at this stinky red herring over here. And they want people to think like that. And I'm glad you brought that up about Palantir because I've focused quite a lot on Palantir and kind of looking at their, you know, basically how they're kind of the, in a lot of ways, the backbone, the operating system of our own government now. But when you, when you look beyond Palantir or behind them, what are you seeing? Like, what are the companies you think that are being ignored that need to be focused on? I think Palantir is the sunlight to what's been developed. The $9,100 billion a year that's been developed is the entire infrastructure. And Palantir is the first public company that's coming out there and saying, here we are and bringing all that infrastructure a little bit more into the light. You're talking military industrial systems, every major military contractor there's there's I don't have all of them on the tip of my head, you know, Raytheon. And I mean, just, they are tracking surveillance data. Like you wouldn't believe across the world and in our country, you're talking every big tech company that has any kind of social media, whether you're talking Google or you're talking YouTube and Facebook, all of their data. So you're talking Oracle, IBM, I mean, on and on and on. Right. And the fact that, and when I was saying there's duplicate systems, the whole banking infrastructure, and they all have backdoor ties into every one of those systems. Aaron Day came up with like 10 different applications that they're running just off of the banking industry. And this is what's been developed over the decades that I've been, you know, the 90 to 100 billion dollar a year infrastructure that's being developed is this entire infrastructure. Palantir is like this, you know, if you look at this big graph, they're like one little node in it. They're just a real public, everybody's attention is to them. Meanwhile, there's this whole infrastructure that's been going on. And I don't know if they're purposely a limited hangout. I don't know if they are the shiny thing, you know, everybody look at, or if it's because they became so arrogant, it's time now for us to go public and see what the average person does. And let's just bring this out in the public. And surveillance is just the way it is, guys. And the people are going to have to have it crammed down their throats. And we're going to test it out with Palantir first. We're going to be really public. Yeah. I'm wondering because Palantir really is just one little node in this huge infrastructure system. Yeah. And so, you know, one part about this I want to kind of hit on is just, is the general public in this. And this is what's key because, you know, I was recently kind of covering data centers. Actually, maybe I still have the page up that I covered. No, I think I might've closed it. But either way, I was looking at, oh yeah, here it is actually, this right here, just as an example. So this is from datacenterwatch.org that $64 billion worth of data center projects have been blocked or delayed from local opposition. And this is really important because the power really does sit in the people. But the problem is, is that the people have been so social engineered to believe that they're powerless or do not even care. To be more concerned about the NFL draft than the data center that's going to poison their kids. So there is a big movement of people. And I want to actually bring up one thing that just happened today, I think. So this, I'm not sure, have you seen this before, this data center that proposed in Utah? I've seen a bunch of different, no, go through this. So this is crazy. This is a data center that's being proposed in Utah, 62 square miles, 40,000 acres. Okay. The craziness is because they're going to track everything. And remember when they were talking about making meta, meta was a parallel universe, it's a synthetic universe, right? The amount of data you need, I don't think they've abandoned that idea, right? Just the government itself. The amount of data you need to create that, to have a 3D model of the entire world and every piece of data on it is massive like that. And the problem is, is that the engineers and the people designing and building these things have not made that leap to understanding that this is a surveillance environment. Yes, it also helps us do all these cool things. Yes, it helps us do this, but we can already take down criminals with what we have already. We don't need more. And we can do all this, but why don't you connect the dots of the surveillance that's the capabilities? That's what bothers me is these people are smart enough, but for some reason, they're able to compartmentalize this to a point where the people actually building it feel powerless or they need a job. So they just like letting it go. Like, I don't care, I need a job and I can't do anything about it anyways, or they have this cognitive dissonance. Who cares if they're going to surveil us, what's going to happen with that, right? It literally is like the matrix, the scene in the matrix. They literally can automate, they can send, we talked about the frequency device that you have. They can literally, and this sounds like such science fiction, but it's not. Every emotion that you have is a frequency. They can send emotions to you. They can send thoughts to you. Everything is, we are a frequency. Everything is frequency. I mean, if you study physics, you've studied what Tesla was doing, everything is frequency, right? And so every vitamin, every mineral, every emotion, thoughts are frequency. I had scientists on maybe eight years ago, Phil Catalino just came on again, but he has five science degrees, used to work for JPL and NASA, right? Very high level, respected scientists. And he was on my program like all the time. And we were talking about one of the things that they developed, which was to get crickets out of a field, right? They wanted an organic method to get these bug infestations out of a field. And so what they did, and they got paid to do this, they would send a message to the cricket that this field is awful. Oh, this is a terrible field. But that field over there, that field over there is amazing. So they did a push and pull and it worked. The crickets would all leave and they go to the other field, right? They can do this with people. We're not that, I mean, we have motion frequencies too. We have the, that's why I push so hard on us having some recognition, starting to tune in to these signals that we're getting so that we can control it and not just be manipulated by it. I know it sounds like woo, but it's not. It's really simple science. It's not simple, but it is. It's a simple concept. And if we start to realize that, this is where I, and I don't, I know you have a lot of religious people and so do I, but I think my Christian, which is almost my entire audience, are accepting of this because they aren't, they don't read it literally. They understand it in a more broad sense. Actually, they might read it literally, but I'm going to redefine what the literal meaning of it is. We get these sensory data all the time and now we're getting it through all this crap that they're sending us. And so when the Bible says don't go, you know, don't go to psychics and don't, you know, don't do remote viewing, don't do all that stuff. And then they shut their, they won't even go there. I challenge that. And I say, especially remote viewing, because the remote viewing is just reading the sensory data that's coming in. I challenge that and say, we absolutely have to start getting good at this and refining this because we're being bombarded with it synthetically. And we get the sensory data. Like I had Julie Asheron, whose son has extreme autism, and he's actually one of the highest studied people now by really good scientists from John Hopkins and Harvard and great backgrounds. And they're really taking this stuff seriously. What happens is they're realizing that autistic kids, or a lot of them, I don't know if it's all, but a lot of them are not able to filter out the sensory data. They're just overwhelmed. That's why if they get this loud noise or they're in these environments, they're just kind of like, they can't handle it because they're getting all this sensory data. And they're realizing that these kids, and now he's an adult, are able to read thoughts and anticipate future events and know all these languages, compose music. They're able to do all these things. It's really incredible. She was on the telepathy tapes and it was the most popular podcast in the world at that day because so many people are interested in it. And if we really are getting sensory data, then shouldn't we have discernment of what we're actually getting and what's real and become good at it so we're not easily manipulated? I think that test the spirits, when Jesus said that, test the spirits, I think that's what that is. Get discernment. We need to figure this out because otherwise we are completely hosed. We will be manipulated. We won't be able to, we will, we are sitting ducks for being completely manipulated with this new technology that's coming out. I know it sounds crazy. It's not. I just, I hope people take this seriously. Oh, I mean, and I've had a lot of these same thoughts and also conversations as well. And kind of how I look at it is I do think that there's a very kind of dogmatic kind of religious perspective of like, that's evil, that's evil, that's evil. And I think that there's, that we've been warned about these things for certain reasons. Like, let's just say kind of, say someone is a psychic, right? That kind of, what does that mean? Right now, if say, if I'm a believer and I have these senses and I have these intuitions, it's like, that could be God talking to me, right? That's what that is. It's, you know, God, I think, understanding frequencies, all these things, to me, that actually proves even more so the existence of God because it's like, this is God's design. It's amazing. I think the warning is when people, it's like, look at the church how it used to be, okay? We're not going to allow you to even read the Bible. We're going to be the conduit to tell you what the Bible says. And that's where the risk is, is that when someone puts more faith in a psychic than God, right? And that's where we can be misled is because if you say you have this person who's a psychic and you're like, well, the Bible says not to, can I go there? But you know, I'm really curious when you go there, that psychic could be reading thoughts from a demon. You know what I mean? That are misguiding you. Well, because there certainly is. And that's what I'm talking about, making sure you get that discernment and getting good at it. Because I've been studying remote viewing for the last year and a half because I'm like, what is all this? And I wanted to understand. I'm actually getting kind of good at it where I can, it's amazing what you can do, but I won't go into any dark stuff. But you can get discernment. You can feel it. You can see if it's real or not. And I think it's so important and I think you're absolutely right. And this is the discernment that I think that we were warned against. If they can use these emotions against us, that is the discernment. Learn to understand it. Learn to, you can't just trust the psychic blindly. That's not good, right? You have to develop your own abilities to read this. We all have these abilities and have this discernment because otherwise we really are sitting ducks. And I think that is truly what that was warning against. The more I learn about how all this stuff works, the more I'm like, wow, they were warning about this. And it is even more important that we develop these skills and that we have these discernment and understand when it's something we can trust and when it's something that we can't. It's going to be a hard road until we get control of these algorithms and we start having transparency and we start saying, hey, heck with it. They can't do this to us. Well, it's also, that's how they kind of manipulate the masses is by not being aware of these things. But one thing I actually, I wanted to touch on really quickly because I pulled up that video of this data center and this is, so I covered this on Sunday night, this proposal. And so that proposal just passed. I think it was last night. So here's this post from today. It says Kevin O'Leary's massive, and he's just one of the investors, it's not like his, but this data center was approved by a county commission in Utah last night, 40,000 acres, two and a half times the size of Manhattan. It says the commission approved the proposal despite opposition from hundreds of locals. So I want to play this really quickly because these are people that I said, these are my people, the people they're showing up and trying to demand. We do not want this data center. So I'll play this 47 seconds because it's encouraging to see that there are people still fighting against this, but then I want to kind of transition into the role of censorship and why conversations like this are so dangerous, because more people would be acting if they truly knew what was going on behind the scenes of these data centers. So I'll play this real quickly. False. This is false. Then why won't they let people talk? Why won't they let people ask questions? It's false. This is not real information. And we sit here like it's okay. It's a charade. It's a charade. It's false. Yes. These are locals. I see some people wearing masks, some people not wearing masks. It's probably a big blend of people that are left, right. It doesn't matter. They see it for what it is. And this is why I think that these conversations are so important is because as much power as this system has over us, as they've had for hundreds and hundreds of years, fundamentally though, they are still beholden to us. And that's why the propaganda and the social engineering have been so heavy and so deliberate and so calculative for such a long time is because if most Americans saw this for what it was, and we had, you know, millions of people turning up at these kinds of things, right, when this obviously a local level, they wouldn't be able to get away with it, right? They still need us to be complicit, which is why I'm getting into your censorship case. I'm so insanely censored on YouTube. I'm allowed within Rumble. It's like, okay, there's this little pond over here, people that kind of already believe what he believes anyway. He's not that much of a threat, right? But on YouTube, where you or I have the ability to influence the masses, where we would both have massive, massive channels, if we weren't being censored, they won't allow it. So tell us about just your thoughts on that, but also I want to get into your specific case on censorship. The data center, it gets back to, if we had more transparency, maybe people would accept it, that there's no transparency. They're not doing any, what are you using this for? It's all part of my language. It's just like, they don't tell you, they hide so much from us that people don't trust anymore. I mean, back in the 90s, they were putting chips in, I had whistleblowers from the Native American communities. They were chipping them, tracking their bank accounts and their health records in chips. I mean, this is what they've been doing. Now they've figured out different ways to do it. But the transparency is so important. I fed Google Gemini all of my data historically and over the last 30 days of what's been going on on YouTube. And Gemini told me that this was the best metrics it's ever seen. And I said, what do you mean by that? And they said, well, no, let me clarify. This is the best metrics I've ever seen with the view gap that you have and that you should be one of the largest voices on the platform based on these metrics. Google Gemini. And then I fed it to Grok and said, okay, is it just like hallucinating? And I fed it to Grok and Grok goes, nope, Gemini was right. These metrics are elite level and you would be one of the top. And that's why they are censoring us and suppressing us. And because we're just speaking authentically to the average person. And I have pulled back a little bit because I've realized that all sides have some creepiness in it. And so I've been trying to be as responsible as I can on bringing people on that are authentic and that at least the data that they're putting forward is more believable. That's a hard thing to do in our field. Trust me. It's very, very difficult, but this is what the people deserve. This is what our whole country was founded on is for, if we are going to govern ourselves, we need transparency. We need information. And this isn't a left, right thing. This is a people thing. And this is what we need and what we deserve. And so my lawsuit is, was based on that. I wasn't even on YouTube and there was all this defamatory content. There was four channels, at least four channels, two of which were posting all of my content. And, um, or two, one was posting all of it. The other one was posting most of it. All four were posting some, but there were two of them. And whichever one was posting all my content was monetized. Meanwhile, I was banned, right? So come on, how can you ban me? But yet all of my content's up there monetized by somebody else. You can't, you can't straight face say I'm a bad, I don't, I'm too dangerous to be on your platform when you do that. Right. Okay. Okay. We have so many. And then, so their argument is we have so many people, millions, we can't monitor everybody. You got to tell us. Right. So I did, I went through that. I went through customer service. I'm in a plus I'm, I was, I'm, it's not believable. They don't know someone like me is out there when I led the lawsuit in the ninth circuit with a group of us, one of the most forefront federal cases against YouTube. Right. It's not really believable, but, um, regardless, you know, that's the, you can claim that. Okay. So I talked to customer service as soon as they knew they stopped talking to me like, Oh, let me hear your stuff. And I sent them and then they ghosted me after that. Okay. And then I did the formal DMCA process, which is their takedown process. I sent it to five different places and including Google search. And they, they came back and said, we don't take down channels. We just take down videos. Okay. So now I hired an attorney and there's way more to this story. I mean, I could talk about this story for hours, right. But I hired an attorney and, and he sent a letter and then, and they ignored it, sent another letter. They ignored it. It sent the third letter. And between the sending those letters, all of a sudden this porn stuff with my name was up on the front page of Google search. And it was up there for weeks on the front page of Google search with and rumbles in a lawsuit against Google because they won't show any of the rumble videos. And, uh, they did suddenly though, for me, these rumble videos that were porn star confessions and my name right after a whole bunch of them. Renette Zen, I'm a friend of mine did a video. She's in California. I'm in Minnesota. And I asked people all over the country as North Carolina, all over the place to look at it to make sure Texas, are you seeing this? Yep. Everybody's seeing it on the front page of Google. She did a video for me. And there was, there's obscene things. I can't, I won't say publicly because it's so obscene of what my name was affiliated with all on the front page of Google search. Then our letter came in and said, we're going to assume you guys, this is, this is not okay. And then, um, after we said, we're suing you, and then we got some movement and this stuff came down, but that's just unacceptable. So I had to pay a bunch of money to get my stuff down. Ladies and gentlemen, our world is being poisoned every day. We're exposed to more chemicals sprayed into our skies, leaching into our food and polluting our air and water from pesticides and heavy metals to hormone disruptors and the synthetic additives. 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We're arguing that the California courts are so structurally biased, you cannot get any justice there. And we have decades of evidence to prove it. But we went to the ninth circuit and Google's, they lied in the ninth circuit because Google top attorneys in the Jordan Senate committee hearings said that the federal government coerced them to take down a bunch of stuff. And they lied and said they only acted on their own, right? What we're trying to do is we're trying to get transparency. The American people need to see transparency. What is really going on? Is there a connected database or connected communication structure across the internet that affects everybody in every application? We don't know because they won't let us see it. How are you putting flags and filtering my content? When Google Gemini says they have the biggest gap I've ever seen. And my metrics shows that I should be a top performing person on the platform. Why am I not? Why are you censoring me? And if the government censored this kind of information, am I still being affected by government censorship? Which likely I am. So that's the kind of transparency that we deserve. What are you doing and how did the government coerce you? And are they still coercing you? Because that's against our first amendment. It's one thing of taking down information that is harmful, right? I think we can all get on board with there's harmful borderline stuff. We can also get on board of me being able to decide or you being able to decide what kind of content we don't want us, we don't want our kids exposed to, or I don't want myself exposed to. I don't want to see porn on my, you know, they have Google safe search, which is supposed to censor all that stuff out. It didn't in my case. So Google safe search failed. But I don't want to see it. A lot of people don't want to see it. So it's okay. We can decide for ourselves what we don't want to see. We're adults. But for the government to make a decision on what they cannot see, they do not want you questioning certain things because it's viewpoint discrimination. It's not against the law. It's not dangerous. And in fact, I even think it's safer for people. We are actually bringing things to the forefront that actually protects you and your family. They don't want you to see that. If we could have open debates on things when it comes to war, healthcare, serve government surveillance, perhaps the American people are going to be safer. This is the information that we need out there. But by saying you can't have a debate at all, Steve Kirsch offered a million dollars just to debate me. Please debate me. Somebody with credentials debate me. Nobody would debate him. You can't have open debates because people on the other side are so afraid to even engage in a debate because the society communication has been so chilled that people are afraid. Most people won't even have me on their platform. So thank you so much for having me just to talk about this. You can come on and let's talk about all your cool crap that you know how to talk about, because I can talk about a whole bunch of things that are really interesting and fascinating, just like you over the 15 years I've been doing interviews. I could talk about a lot of stuff. Talk about that, but don't talk about your lawsuit because I'm afraid of my business. I'm afraid of being censored myself. When you have a whole group of people who are afraid to talk to you, no one in mainstream media, nobody in the independent space will talk to you either because they're afraid. They need to protect their own livelihoods. You have a problem. And this is what we're trying to address. No, absolutely. And it's this thing is like, you're looking at just the human psychology of it is where is the red line, right? You mentioned earlier people that are building the data centers, like what are they telling themselves, right? They just have a job. Hey, it's an opportunity. We know that the economy is completely wrecked right now. Job loss is at very high. People are really struggling here in America. So it's like, I understand that, hey, that data center job might mean putting food on the table for your family, and that's a tough thing. But I kind of look at it, it's like I use the Star Wars analogy. It's like, okay, hey, you've got a great senior engineering job for the Death Star, right? It's like, are you okay with that? Are you going to do it? And it's like, yeah, I mean, it's not easy. But again, I think that what you see with this is that the biggest threat is the masses knowing this information. I pulled up your YouTube channel, which I think I found your real YouTube channel here. So this is your correct one, right? 121,000. I lost a lot over the five years, but that's where I'm at now. Yeah. And this is exact same numbers of my channel. I've got, I think, 135,000. I think in the last four years, I've grown from 126,000 to 135,000. But same thing, you're putting up these videos a day ago, two days ago, same number of views I'm getting, 1,000, 2,000, 3,000. Occasionally I'll get a video that might break out and get 3,000 or 4,000 or 5,000 views, but this is exactly it, right? But also, it kind of highlights how important it is for people to still have their own local communities that they're sharing information with, because they can't control that in the same way. If people are just talking about things over the dinner table or talking about things at the local farm market. And that's what we have to kind of take the grassroots approach on top of trying to go after these things at the system level, which is what you're doing. You have to do both. You have to, because this is the thing is that I think a lot of Americans are literally just walking and marching straight into the slaughterhouse and they just don't see it. It's not because they're stupid, right? That's the thing is that it's not because they're stupid or they're too focused on football. The system has engineered it like that and they haven't been shown the information, right? That's right. Why don't I care about the football game? Because to me, it's like, A, I know it's controlled anyway. They're probably controlling the outcomes of who's going to win. It's bread and circuses, but because I'm way more focused on other things like building gardens and homeschooling my kids and seeing how much more off-grid I can get, because I know what's coming. I know the state of our country. And I think a lot of these people that if they really understood the topics that you and I are trying to kind of bring to people, they'd be changing their priorities. In that meeting, we saw the people at the data center meeting, instead of a couple hundred people, maybe it would have been 10,000 people, right? That was in Salt Lake City. It wasn't in some small rural town. They could have had 10,000 people standing up there. And that's it. That's why what you're doing is important, what I'm doing, the audience. The transparency is what's important. And I actually think the systems engineers that are working at these large corporations, I don't want people to quit in mass. I want them to work from the inside to make sure that things are transparent. I want them to be an advocate for the people. And the more the people on the inside can be an advocate, the better. And if they don't think they're making any difference, then maybe they need to get another job and be an advocate from the outside. But I think we need people on the inside to hold that line. I do think there are some companies that are really working to try to be more, not be so Google-like, you know what I mean, that are trying to be more transparent, or not transparent, nobody wants to be transparent, but they are being more utility-based versus viewpoint discrimination-based. I think there is some of that, but you got to do, a lot of that has to happen from the inside. I think politicians need to step up. I think the people, the masses, give the politicians, give the engineers, they give the executives, they give them the power to do something. Because if you are vocal, that tells the politician, I have backing, I can do something. But if nobody's vocal, that politician's out there on a limb all by themselves. Same with all the employees, all the senior engineers, and all the executives that are in these businesses, they're out there on a limb by themselves if they don't have the support of the people. So that's why it takes more than what people think. It's hard going out there on the limb if you don't have any support. It is. And also I think that fundamentally, we touched on religion earlier, and if people understood that fundamentally this is a battle of good and evil, and I really believe that what's being built is the beast system. You must have the mark to buy or sell, you must be part of this system, and it will be used to control. I think if more people understood that, it's like, okay, frame it from that way. Okay, obviously we care about the future for our kids, everything like that, but on a very fundamental level, it's like, this is the beast system that's being built around us, and we have a window and opportunity right now to resist it and to form a resistance movement against it. That's what's key. So, Sarah, as we're closing up, I want to bring up, obviously we looked at your YouTube channel. You've also got this, your website, which is sarahwestall.com, which I encourage you to check that out, check out your sub stack. I'm a subscriber to your sub stack, so great way of supporting what you're doing. Anything else that you have to say as we're wrapping up? Just share what you can, subscribe on these platforms, and help us get the word out, and talk to people. The best way, word of mouth is still really a good way, but I mean, a lot of people learn about me through word of mouth, and I hear that all the time. And so, thank you, first of all, anybody that does that, but like you were saying, local communities, and you have your art community, which sounds like it's going to be fantastic, and that's what it's about, getting back to that. But word of mouth is pretty powerful, and we need to use more of that. Yeah, we do, we do. Well, Sarah, thank you again. It's always wonderful speaking with you, and good luck with everything you're doing, and I hope that you grow prosperously and reach more and more people. Can I give a plug? Go to GiveSendGo.com slash EndGovCoercion. That's what I need to help fund this lawsuit. So, please go there. GiveSendGo.com slash EndGovCoercion. I maybe should have put up a better name, but we really need help on supporting this lawsuit. We're going to update it, too, with the recent stuff that's happening, but yeah, we need support. Okay, great. Yep, here we go. There we are. Who would have guessed I couldn't spell coercion? I went to art school. You kind of forget, how's that word spelled again? Anyway, yep, so I'll put the link in the description. This is important. This is where people can directly support your lawsuit and your campaign for free speech, right? Yeah, and for disclosure. It's not just free speech. It's an actual antitrust lawsuit about economic displacement. I mean, there's so much here, but it's really for being able to see with discovery what the heck is going on, and it's a big deal. Perfect. It's about what we're talking about here, but yeah, free speech is a big part of it. Oh, yeah, it is. Well, Sarah, thank you again. Take care. God bless you. God bless you. Thank you so much.