Milwaukee Gen 4 vs DeWalt DCF860: The 264° Impact Driver Meltdown!

I'm thinking I'm going to get through at least fifth. Now, your Milwaukee, we'll see. To that, I say I would love to see a comparison. Any predictions? Welcome back to Tool Test Raw. In a previous video, we put Milwaukee's M18 Fuel Surge Gen 2 against DeWalt's Quiet XR hydraulic impact driver. And a lot of you said in that comparison that DeWalt's Quiet hydraulic shouldn't be going up against the surge. That the DeWalt DCF860 was the impact we should be using. To that, I say I would love to see a comparison, but not necessarily against a Quiet hydraulic impact driver because these are the equivalent tools to be testing in a comparison. The equivalent to DeWalt's DCF860 would be Milwaukee's Gen 4 M18 Fuel Impact Driver. So we're going to focus on these tools. We're going to go through a very similar protocol where we're going to, not necessarily timed, but we will be driving 50 quarter by six inch lag fasteners into this six by six with no pilot holes. We're then going to drive 50 holes with spade bits. We've upped that size. The first 50 holes that we're drilling will be inch and a half. So it's going to get spicy up in here. Nice. Before we get started, we're going to take a look at some of the specs here. The impacts per minute for the Milwaukee is between zero and 4,400 impacts per minute. It's also zero to 3,900 RPMs. This impact driver is three speeds with a fourth mode for tightening. So on the 860, we have three speeds as well, zero to 4,500 impacts per minute, and then speeds one through three, zero to 3,800 RPMs. So it looks as though the DeWalt has more impacts per minute, a hundred more impacts per minute, but actually a hundred less RPM. Interesting. So it's going to be interesting to see how that works out or plays out. Will it be better at driving screws or drilling holes? One may exceed the other. Let's see. This isn't necessarily a race, although it will be somewhat timed. Do you have any predictions? I think the screwing portion should be pretty uneventful. What do you think? I'm going to go with the same thing that I said last time. I think we're going to be able to blow through these fasteners. The real fun is going to be once we get into the spade bits. What are you thinking about the spade bits? I'm thinking I'm going to get through at least 50. Now, your Milwaukee, we'll see. I mean, last time it went out for a little lunch break and had to come back. It wasn't this Milwaukee though. I understand that. It was the Surge. I understand that. Okay. Do you believe that one of them will fry out because of the increase in size of the holes? Yes. Okay. All right. I'm on speed three. I got a full battery. Speed three, full battery. Stole out of my box. Looks like somebody stole out of my box. I stole. I'm sorry. What are you thinking here? I could tell mine's definitely heating up. Oh yeah, I'm definitely warming, but I don't think it's overworked yet. At the very collet, we have 148 degrees. Wow. But as we move into the body, I am seeing like 120, 121 right on the DeWalt logo. We're at a very cool, at the switch, we're at like 78, 79 degrees. Nice. Let's move into the Milwaukee. At the collet, we're at that 148. Pretty similar, right? About the same, yeah. So right here, we're looking at, right above the Milwaukee logo, we're looking at 145. Below the Milwaukee logo, we're at 146. As we move over to the vent, 188, 189, and we move down into the switch gear, we're at 79, 80 degrees, 84 degrees at the switch. Milwaukee's still full battery. DeWalt's still full battery, so it's a good thing. I mean, to the hand, the Milwaukee did feel a little bit hotter. Bigger fans, a little bit of a bigger footprint here. We're going to be using, these are brand new, they've never cut before, inch and a quarter self-feeding spade bets. Inch and a half. That's why we have two brains here instead of one. We have an inch and a half. We're going to start from the outside in on these because frankly, if we start from the inside out, the two by 12 will fall apart. We're going to drill our 50 holes. If they make it. If, if. I got to be honest with you. I'm getting a little skeptical. I'm kind of shocked of how warm this is already. All right, ready to go? Yeah, you call it. One, two, three, go. I keep having shutdowns, but it keeps coming back. I'm stalling. I find it. You see it? Disconnected. It's very weird. I might be dead. See how it's freewheeling and then it's like it's becoming. That's very odd. I feel like I'm moving into glove territory. I have five, 10, 15, 20, 25 so far. I could get it. I could get it to cool down if I run it, freewheel it, but it's becoming very intermittent at this point. Let me check battery. I haven't done that so far. We're still at half charge, so it's not a battery issue. I mean, I know. Where are you at? I'm experiencing similar issues. I'm in the middle of my 23rd hole. I got too bad. I got two bars out of three left, but it's intermittent. It's getting maybe three quarters of the way through the hole stalling out. I got to pull it out, let it run for a second and then finish my hole. All right, let me know when you get to 50. 48, 49, 50, baby, 50. All right, keep going. At the collet, we're at 240, 41, 45 degrees. This is not a race, just it's at a work pace. You sure your battery's not dead? Down to one bar. One bar. Here you go. Thank you, sir. See if this does the trick. I found it interesting you can see almost like the outline of the cells here. Lost a bit. Seems like a collet issue. That's the old faking injury for a timeout, I think. Huh, didn't stall that. Yo, remember last time you're like, oh Milwaukee went and sat in the truck and all that? Yeah, yeah. We're sitting in the truck again. Yeah, but this time at least your job's done. Yeah, job's done this time though. How's the Wally making out? It's operating as a hairdryer right now, I think. See, she comes right back. You let her cool off for a second. You got to let it run in between holes. Keep going. Game on. I get it. That one just chattered off the other side. Last hole. What'd you just say? Last hole. I just picked a bit up. That's what you call me? That's messed up. I was about to say no stalls. Good God. It's going to get there at some point. Oh no. What? Oh, there we go. I thought it was going to die on me on the last hole. All right, we made it. All right, put it down. It wanted to shut down. I mean you let it cool off a little bit and it'll run just fine, but it wants to shut down when it gets overheated. Keeping your finger depressed on the trigger in and out of the hole and letting it air out a little bit definitely helps, but it was struggling for the last 15, 20 holes there. Collet is at 226 degrees. We'll move over to the body. So we're in the 180 degree range here at the front. Here's the thing. It's shutting down, but it looks like overall the temperatures on the water are still cooler. I just did the same thing on this one. You can fry an egg on these things. So at this point we're going to go back to driving quarter by six inch lag fasteners. We're going to do 50 more. At that point we're going to take temps, see where they're at, and then we'll move on to the second portion of the drilling contest. I'm full. Speed you want, two? I should be on speed three still, yes. It just seems like he's on speed two. A lot to hold on to when it's this hot. I had my first, my second stole fastening. Wow. That was a, that was a knot I just drove straight into. Keep timing out about halfway through. I keep timing out about halfway through the fasteners and then I got to give it a second in between. In a crazy turn of events. In a crazy turn of events. Oh my gourd. It's getting eventful. We're making out over there. Getting there. 99 baby. You know how we do around here. We keep it one hundo. One hundo. We're at 212, 213 at the bottom of the tool. So we saw upwards of 222 right there. Right above the directional switch we're at 204. 22. As we get into the batteries we're at 68, 67. You got only a couple more to go. Try partial trigger. Don't try to hold, don't, don't pull. The old partial trigger trick. Last one. Better watch, watch what you say. All right. Made it. At the front of the collet on the Wally. We're at 196. Right at the inset of the collet. We're right around 201, 202. Seeing like 120 in the handle. So it kind of seems to me that it's almost like a roll reversal. Where I mean the wall is clearly running cooler. But shutting down. But it's shutting down much sooner. The Milwaukee continues to run at much higher temperatures. Gets the job done. I'm, I'm surprised. I was thinking it was going to be the opposite. Where are we at battery wise? Maybe, did you test? So I'm at three bars. I'm at two. All right. We're moving back into the inch and a half spade bets. Any predictions? Uh, pain. Okay. I'm going to make the prediction now. Go ahead. I think that the Milwaukee dies. Completely. I think it completely dies. I think that the wall lives to fight another day. Ooh, but it's not going to get the job done either because it's not going to be able to finish because of its technology. Let's see. It's going out. You got a hundred in you? 98. The whole stretch is all knotted. Yeah, man. 99. 100. Whoa. You hear that sizzle? Don't sell the bacon. Sell the sizzle, baby. Wow. Look at the outer coating. It's just melting off of the tool. You see that? Yeah. A hundred holes. Wow. 258. 263. 264 at the nose. 245 on the motor housing. This is false. You want to use it? Give me that battery, please. Thank you. I don't know. I mean, we still have with this battery, we're at one bar left. Does that mean that Milwaukee's, you know, forged batteries are superior to power pack? That's how hot that tool is. Starting to bog down even earlier in the holes now. We're 5, 10, 15, 20, 21 short of the goal. I mean, I'll sit through this if you want. I feel like this is definitely roll reversal. It is. It's definitely redemption for Milwaukee. Yes. Okay. Very impressed with the Milwaukee. And here's the thing. There's something to be said about picking the proper tool for the job. Sure. Right now, are we saying that this is the proper tool for this job per se? Not necessarily. No. It's definitely not the duty cycle for an impact driver, but that's why we do it. So you don't find out on the job site. The hard way. Yes. We compress the timeframe that these tools have time to accomplish their job so that you can see what's it going to be able to get done for you in the real world. In addition to being smaller, Milwaukee's very powerful. It seems like almost more powerful than the Wahl. Certainly not lacking in power. It's definitely faster overall. Here's the thing. In the beginning though, you actually accomplished driving your lags ahead of me. I was actually surprised at how much it stalled through. I thought I'd be able to get through more spade bit holes than I did. But overall, it's doing what it was intended to do, to shut down before it hurts itself, I believe. I think it's pretty impressive that the Wahl has an XR impact driver that can actually twist this inch and a half spade bit through two by lumber and not detonate. Historically, XR impact drivers, spade bits were the nemesis. At one inch, we would set them on fire. Five-eighths of an inch, the 887s would detonate. Now there's technology built into them so they don't detonate. They can actually handle the inch and a half, get the job done. It's pretty impressive where we're at in the way of tools nowadays. Sure. Just think about the previous generations. Just think back maybe even 10 years ago, what would an impact driver be able to spin as a spade bit at all compared to where we're at today? Absolutely. I think the improvement in technology or whatever technology they built into these DeWalts just goes hand in hand with what DeWalt's been doing over the past few years, thinking about the safety of the tradesperson or the safety of the person with the tool in their hand. I agree. I agree. But I want to know what you think. Is an impact driver a purchase that would make you choose one platform over the other? Would you choose DeWalt because of the quiet hydraulic impact driver or would you choose Milwaukee for the all-out power of the M18 fuel? Would an impact driver sway your decision one way or the other? We want to know. Leave it all below. With that, I want to say I appreciate each and every one for being here. Jimmy, thank you for helping out with this test and I hope to see you all on the next one.