Tyler O’Neil Lays Out How Organizations Like the SPLC, CHIRLA, and Antifa Fuel Violence and Riots

The SPLC put the largest conservative grassroots youth organization on their hate map with chapters of the clan. They put Prageru, which makes five minute videos, on the hate map with Chapters of the Clan. Is Antifa on the SPLC's hate watch? The Department of Homeland Security was giving them money for an anti-ICE riot. It get it gets worse than that. The Department of Homeland Security in order to accomplish what? It's power, destabilization, and the creation of an entirely different kind of America. What do you think we can do about this? This moment is not going to last forever. If we push back, we can win. Tyler, welcome to Prageru. I am so glad that you reached out to us about the SPLC because I think that is it has become a very big conversation because the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center that claims to fight hate speech is actually a hate watchdog and it's been attacking Turning Point USA. It's been attacking Prageru and they have a track record of causing real damage. And many people have been asking me, well, you know, what do you even care about the SPLC? Nobody even cares about them. And so I think to understand whether we should even care about the SPLC, we need to understand who their partners are and what kind of power do they have and do they even have enough power where we should pay attention to what the Southern Poverty Law Center thinks or says about us. Yes, you should be very alarmed. I mean, I think it's it's important for us. You know, a lot of people say if I'm on the hate map on the Southern Poverty Law C Center's hate map, I count that as a badge of honor because it shows that I'm doing something. There's a little bit of truth to that, but if if you look at our culture is so bifurcated right now that people on the left, they don't know that the Southern Poverty Law Center has no moral credibility. They don't know most of the stuff in my book because they're consciously blind to it and because the left doesn't talk about it. You know, the legacy media doesn't say, "Oh, yeah, by the way, the SPLC had a racial discrimination, sexual harassment scandal in 2019 that led them to fire their co-founder and then unionize and now they have a union union busting scandal." Like all of that, nobody ever mentions it. And nobody mentions that a former employee said that they have this hate for pay scheme where their whole goal, their hate accusations are a highly profitable scam meant to bilk northern liberals by saying, "Hey, you know, there's so much hate in the south. You need to give us money because we're fighting it." Meanwhile, you know, there are so many people who when they pass away, they say in lie of flowers, give money to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Every time I see that, it, you know, it hurts me. It makes me sad because that person is dedicating their memory to an organization that is fundamentally corrupt. And we on we on the right know this, but on the left, they use it all the time because it's a it's an effective weapon to silence conservatives. What I I'd imagine that most of the people that are listening in either associate the SPLC with the group that sued the KKK and did some great things for civil rights in the past or they are saying Marissa why are you even talking about the SPLC never heard about some tiny little nonprofit completely irrelevant switch to another video let me watch something else irrelevant right most people will think nothing of the SPLC because they're probably unaware of it and They don't realize that the work that the SPLC is impacting every American today, which I would imagine is the reason why you decided to dedicate so much time studying the SPLC because they are relevant and and h how did you get into this? Why did you decide to write a book about the Southern Poverty Law Center? Yeah. Well, so there's so many different layers to this. First off, I was at the Family Research Council in the summer of 2012. I was not there when the shooting happened, thank God. Um, but I don't know how many people remember, there was a man who took the hate map from the Southern Poverty Law Center and used it to find the Family Research Council and go in. He had a bag of Chick-fil-A chicken sandwiches and a semi-automatic pistol. and he told the FBI his goal was to go to every single person in that building and shoot them and smear a Chick-fil-A sandwich in their face. And this was in the middle of, you know, 2012. Chick-fil-A had gotten there was a controversy about them funding conservative Christian organizations. And many people on the left, especially the LGBTQ activists, they were saying they're funding hate. And so this is coming. This is an anti- This is an LGBT hate crime that was committed that this guy came and thankfully the the shooting didn't fully take place. There was a brave building manager. He's not actually a security guard. He was a building manager who stopped the wouldbe shooter. He got shot in the arm and it's a it's a lifelong debilitating injury, but thank God that was the only thing that happened because this man was planning to kill everyone in the building. And he later told the FBI he used the SPLC map to find and target the Family Research Council. So when you are put on a map, you know, it reminds me a little bit of the ga the Gabby Gfords non scandal where, you know, her uh congressional district was put on a on a map of political targets. And then later they said, oh, when she got attacked, it was because of this map. There was no connection. In this case, there's a very clear connection with this SPLC hate map and this terrorist attack. And to be fair, the SPLC did say immediately after that that they condemn violence. They didn't want an attack like this. But at the same time, they've kept the Family Research Council on the map. And they've added even more mainstream conservative and Christian organizations ever since. And so that issue, you know, that stood out to me because I had I had gone to that very nonprofit and been sitting in the chairs outside the main the main entrance where this shooting happened. And then there there were lawsuits. Uh in the summer of 2017, there were about four different news events that led me to really focus on the SPLC. One of them was that um a charity watchdog put uh it was Guidear put the SPLC hate group labels on all of the organizations on the hate map. So they partnered with another organization. Well, and they Yeah. So this is this is uh one of these websites that you will go to to see, oh, is this nonprofit good? Should I give my money to this nonprofit? And without going to all of these groups that had been smeared by the SPLC, without like taking a second to question this, Guidestar just puts hate group, SPLC designated hate group on these profiles. And that led to a lawsuit. Thankfully, Guideestar took that down. But at the same time, Amazon Smile, which Amazon Smile may rest in peace, no longer exists. But that was a program that you would use so that every Amazon purchase you made, part of that part of the proceeds would go to a nonprofit, a charity of your choice. They used the SPLC hate map to screen people out. And that was a big scandal. And then there was a a a Muslim reformer by the name of Majid Noaz that the SPLC branded an anti-Islamic extremist. and he sued and thankfully, you know, he got a $3.5 million settlement. Was that a defamation lawsuit? That was a def Yes. So, the SPLC has faced a lot of defamation lawsuits and we should probably get into that later. Um, but just answering your major question, I saw this organization for what it was and I was constantly, you know, ringing, you know, shouting from the rooftops about it. Then when Charlottesville happens, the SPLC, like first off, the SPLC had this map of Confederate monuments. And this Confederate monument map which they put out when people were protesting violently at these places, it included high schools, elementary schools, military bases. And then they warn in the text of the map they say and these monuments which have inspired turmoil and bloodshed. And this is one of the things that the SPLC is out there doing while you're having these violent protests and people knocking over statues. You know, this was happening in 2017. Then when Charlottesville happened, not only did you get huge gifts to the SPLC from Apple, JP Morgan, I think they gave a million dollars for seeding violence in places around essentially. I mean they they were they were responding to you know this is the way it is with the left. You have an event that the left ties to the right and then says oh now we need to silence anyone on the right and we need to give to these organizations that are silencing people on the right. And of course that wasn't that wasn't the official narrative. The official narrative was hate is rising in America. we need to give to this organization that is constantly following hate. And so they gave a lot of money. CNN plastered the hate map on their website without any sort of, you know, saying that this is contested, any sort of negative stuff. And so all of this happening in 2017 just showed me that somebody needed to take the SPLC to task. and I just got a fire in my belly. And throughout the next few years, as more and more happened and then as as the big scandal broke in 2019, you know, it was like a flash in the pan, you know, they fire their co-founder, the president steps down. Um, one of the members of their board steps down because she was um she's she's some big uh Joselyn Benson, Secretary of State of Missouri. She stepped down from the SPLC board in the midst of this scandal because it was such a big scandal and then suddenly crickets the media is like oh drat we have to cover the scandal for like half a second and then oh yeah well nothing's wrong at the SPLC don't look you know nowadays the SPLC is cited in the media and nobody even mentions the big scandal in 2019 and so I'm like if I didn't have enough reason to write a book after 2017, after 2019, when the legacy media and the Democratic Party tried to shove all of the SPLC's skeletons into their closet, I felt like I had no choice. Well, the book that you wrote about them in 2017 is is basically like a drama. It's unbelievable. I mean, you don't even have to watch Netflix. Just read the book. I mean, you you can't make this up this stuff up. And so we we'll talk about that, but I I really want to emphasize the significance of the fact that there is this massive nonprofit, right? They raise over $170 million a year plus a massive endowment is it's probably getting closer to a million. It's 740 um $740 million in more than half a billion dollars. So they have just an obscene amount of money and you know they're not a small thing. You mentioned that they're connected with Guidear and we'll talk about their connection to the FBI later on, but they they are very very significant and they create a map and they put their adversaries simply people they don't agree with. I mean what does Prageru do? We make educational videos. So they're so threatened by Prageru's 5minute videos that they actually have to give out the location of where Prageru is headquartered because we're considered a a hate group. Do people recognize how unbelievably dangerous it is to put us in this kind of situation? You mentioned what happened with the FRC where they continuously put additional groups on their hate ma map. Meanwhile, we have is Antifa on the SPLC's hate watch. Antifa literally burnt down our cities. We have Los Angeles burning down supported by several nonprofits. Chura. Is the SPLC going to put Chura on their hate watch map? Yeah, I'm waiting. They they haven't. So, this this is the thing. You get violence on the left, right? The SPLC has this map with conservative Christian nonprofits and then with the KKK and with a few other groups like the Aryan Nations, like, you know, organizations that barely exist. then with old chapters of the Klux Clan that as far as I know don't really exist anymore and then conservative groups that they put on there to suggest that they're in league with the clan. And this is this is the thing like last year they said in their report that the hate map is exposing the infrastructure of white supremacy and this year they said that pray that um turning point USA is all about defending white Christian supremacy. They're always going back to the language of the clan because they know that the point of their map is to associate their political opponents with the hatred with the worst hate group in America. And so when they put you on that hate map, they are comparing you to the clan. They're saying you are a similar threat. And they were bragging, you know, in the Biden administration, they were bragging that federal law enforcement came to them for advice on how to combat the domestic terror threat. And this is something that their their president and CEO, Margaret Wong, just said to her donors and said, "This is the the influence of our impact." And you know, they have all of this um all of this undue influence. They're a completely scandalridden organization that is just out there to silence their political opponents. And right now they're they're in court. There's a really really strong defamation lawsuit. Uh I don't know how if if I should just keep going on, but um there's this group in Georgia called the Dustin Inman Society, and they're a group that opposes illegal immigration. They have four, I think it is, legal immigrants on their board. They're not anti-immigration overall. The SPLC is asked by the Associated Press in 2011 about this group and they say, "Well, we don't agree with the Dustin Society, but they're not a hate group." Fast forward to 2018 and they put the Dustin Inman Society on the hate map right at the same time as they register a lobbyist to oppose a bill that the Dustin Inman Society supported. So, right now there's a case where it's a strong defamation case that made it past, not to go too far in the weeds, but in order to get a defamation case to court, you have to clear a multiple hurdles. And one of the biggest hurdles is getting to discovery. They'll file a motion to dismiss. The SPLC is a slimy legal organization. They know exactly what they can do to get out of most defamation cases. This was one of the few defamation cases that even the most brilliant lawyers at the SPLC couldn't wiggle their way out of. So, right now, they're going through documents. They're getting ready for a trial on this case, and it is going to be one of the biggest cases um that Americans should be watching. You talked a little bit about the scandals that Morris DS, the founder of the SPLC, was involved in. I mean, there's a lot of very bizarre sexual stories, things he made his wife do with some of the employees there. I mean, if people want the graphic stuff, they can read your book. Um, you talked a little bit about the racism that happened, ironically, at at the SPLC, the way they treated people of color. And then ultimately to clean up the mess, they brought in Michelle Obama's former chief of staff who basically wiped the entire situation under the rug and just got rid of MorrisDes. But do you think that the nefarious bizarre culture within the SPLC continues? It's very bizarre. It's very dramatic over there. Yes. So, I think some of it is tied directly to Morris D's, but there are institutional things at the SPLC that really leave you scratching your head. Like, why does an organization that has a $740 million endowment need offshore accounts in the Cayman Islands? Why? I don't know. I'd really love to have the answer to that question. I think there's a really good story there. The left has unionized nonprofits. This is one of the most bizarre things to come out of this scandal is that the SPLC has its own union and the union is like the internal opposition to the SPLC's own leadership. So what you get is this, you know, because because the whole point of a union is to pit employees against management, right? So, at a at a nonprofit, you should never have a union because when you have a union, it's the employees saying they're not being treated well by the management. But when you're at a nonprofit, you believe in the mission. That's why you work at a nonprofit. If you don't believe in the mission, if you don't trust the leadership, you leave because you take a pay cut to work at a nonprofit. Theoretically, you you know, this is the way nonprofits work. But the SPLC doesn't follow those things. The SPLC has its own union. The SPLC pays its leadership a lot. And but you know, to answer your question, Tina Chen came in and she all that happened was Morris and Richard Cohen left and they were old at that point anyway. Probably they would have retired soon. Yeah. And she she still has yet to release the actual internal report. I don't think we're that's ever going to see the light of day. Um, so we don't know if any of any of that bad culture, any of that, you know, wrought some of the really disgusting sexual things that Morris dees. Now, granted, you know, Morses, this was in a very big uh divorce case with his ex-wife um in the 1980s and somehow, you know, he stays as president of this group. It's because he was such a brilliant guy in fundraising that his friends were willing to overlook a great deal. And so these the racial discrimination and sexual harassment claims that really hit the fan in 2019, they weren't new. People have been talking about these things in the 1980s. They were saying like, "Oh, the SPLC, they sued clan groups into bankruptcy." Yes, but they don't promote their black employees. their black employees are staying in the mail room while it's the white employees who are running everything. And it's like if you're a civil rights organization, that that might be a black mark on your record. And that was talked about in the '9s and then nothing happened. And only in 2019 did something really happened. Now, I think there was a revolt among the staff, but that revolt among the staff seems to have petered out. I mean, last year we had they had layoffs. And one of the interesting things about this most recent adding PragerU and Turning Point to the hate map, it comes after layoffs last year where, you know, the SPLC was accused of union busting because they got rid of a lot of people who were high up in the SPLC union. But I think they got rid of the staff who made some of the more cunning and um you know more ideologically consistent decisions about the hate map because there are some really big mistakes in this hate map that like they just released it last month and normally when they release a hate map they they have done in the past where they say oh the number of hate groups didn't increase but hate is worse now because it's in the White House. You know, that that's essentially what they said and they're they're always saying, "Oh, Trump is hateful. His organizations advising him are hateful. They're on the hate map because they hate immigrants. They hate LGBTQ people. They hate yada yada yada." Really, they're on the map because they disagree with the the SPLC's agenda. I mean, the SPLC, and we should get into this too, they are far off the edge of the map when it comes to transgender stuff, when it comes to race baiting, when they're using critical race theory to say that there's inherent structural racism to everything, they they will apply this racist lens and then connect it to every issue under the sun. I mean, we you've covered intersectionality a lot, right? Well, this is this whole intersectionality thing has become one of the things that I think Americans really need to understand because when they don't understand this like, you know, from the river to the sea, free Palestine commentary and and and people with kafias walking around in the meantime while rioting and an anti-ICE riot in Los Angeles combined with BLM and groups like the SPLC and frankly BLM and really also the Anti-Defamation League, the ADL. What they will do is they will prey on people's natural concerns and fears. The good-hearted people who really don't want anti-semitism, don't want racism, and they'll use this language of saying, "We're going to help you avoid horrible things in our society." But in order for the SPLC and the BLM and ADL to thrive, they need to manufacture more of it. And that is essentially what we're doing. So that's when you see these hired people who are dressed up as you know KKK members or or um you know supposed anti-semites ironically the same day they are the these are the ones who are you know rioting in these pro Palestine anti-semitic riots right and so it's this bizarre convolution that I think people are just kind of waking up to and are saying well what's going on here and the the short answer to it is intersectionality Right? It's this oppressor versus the oppressed. The West is bad. The successful is bad. Um the oppressed, the the underdog is always on the right. And and therefore, by all means necessary, including violence, real violence, there they must correct things. What what I don't understand is you look at the riots in Los Angeles and you know that organizations like the SPLC maybe not the SPLC directly but again we talked about CHRA and you know the SEIU which you can explain that organization and you know even Becky Pringle who runs one of the largest teachers unions in America is goating people on and basically saying fight against ICE. What are they trying to do? Like really, what are they trying to do? Is this how you're going to help immigrants by by showing us that they're violent? I mean, the the the the mom and dad in Los Angeles is sitting at home and watching these videos and they're seeing the messaging that you have a bunch of riots and destruction in Los Angeles and they are associating that with the immigrants. So, how are these nonprofits that are supposed to hate help fight against hate, how are they helping these people? Becky Pringle and Chura and the SE SEIU, if they really wanted to help these immigrants, they would help the messaging be we are peaceful and we are we are supportive and we're respectful and we're but instead, what are they teaching them to do to to to show Americans that they're actually violent? How is that helping them? Well, and they they should be waving American flags instead of waving Mexican flags. I don't I don't understand. So, I think part of me thinks this is all a strategy to keep the woke strangle hold on the Democratic party because right now, you know, the Democratic party, some people are realizing, wait, maybe these this woke ideology doesn't fit with the American people. Maybe, you know, Trump won for a reason in November and maybe we need to cool it with some of the men in women's sports and some of this, you know, intersectionality. Like maybe Americans don't like the idea, get this, maybe black parents don't like their kids being told in school that they are inherently oppressed because of their skin color. Maybe Asian parents don't like it when they're being discriminated when their kids are being discriminated against because of the color of their skin when they happen to do better in school and then they're kept out by quotas. Like maybe this is not popular. But there are a lot of people on the Democratic party who who started coming together after the election and said, "Let's get rid of this." And there was a report that said we need to listen less to these nonprofits that are ideologically policing us and pushing us to the left's orthodoxy. Well, that report happened and the DNC didn't come out and champion that report. The DNC acted like it didn't exist just like the riots don't exist in Los Angeles. Exactly. But I think what's happening here is the activist groups that called the shots in the Biden administration because we all know Biden was largely a figurehead. My book, The Woke to the Dark Money Cabal Manipulating the Federal Government, lays out how these NOS's staffed and advised the Biden administration put their tentacles into every policy that he had. And one of the main reasons the border was wide open was because they demanded it. And so now when Trump is trying to get these people out, when Trump is Trump is starting with the the lowest lowhanging fruit, you know, we're talking gang members, criminals, people convicted. I I was going through the list of the people that ICE was arresting here in Los Angeles and it's the people who've already been convicted of murder and rape and you know like this is this should not be controversial and yet we're having people throw themselves in front of ICE cars and throw rocks at ICE officers trying to prevent people from getting arrested when these are the worst of the worst. And I think these NOS's, they want the they want, for lack of a better term, the invasion to continue because it helps them. And they want to have an America where you have this settled lower class that's always going to vote for the Democrats because they see the Democrats as their saviors. That's that's not really how it works. I think we all know that many Hispanic people are waking up and voting with the Republican party because most of those like the people I grew up with in Colorado who are legal Mexican immigrants to the United States who love this country want the border to be closed. They want the good immigrants to come here. They don't want just anybody and they feel insulted when somebody crosses that border illegally and then gets government benefits. C. Okay. Can you correct me if I'm wrong? Because this thing is so mind-boggling that it's almost hard for even me to believe and just when you think you've seen it all. So, Chura is the nonprofit organization that organized the anti-ICE riots in Los Angeles. Is it true that Chura received government funding both from the federal and from the state? So we are paying for an anti-ICE riot. It get it gets worse than the Department of Homeland Security. Is this I mean it oh my gosh this is just insane. It gets worse. Yes. Because the money So the answer to your question is yes. Now we don't know for it's not 100% proven that they orchestrated the protests. They've been on the ground organizing protests against ICE for a while. And now that these protests are getting violent, they're saying, "We didn't organize this protest." And they've they've said that. Meanwhile, you know, I've been talking with sources in the government who are saying like, "Well, we they won't come out and say to me specifically that they have concrete proof that this group organized it, but they know the people on the ground who are doing these things, and they're like, "Well, this claim doesn't pass muster." And this organization was granted, it's it's about $750,000 in the Biden administration of your tax dollars through the Department of Homeland Security, the very agency that they are now organizing people to oppose was giving them money because they were supposedly helping immigrants assimilate to the United States. So this is the way that the left's NGO apparatus and and there's this is the story that happens over and over and over again in the Biden administration. All you have to do is follow the money and it's not that hard. But like I traced so one of my recent stories was a woman who worked at this organization called the Solidarity Center. They promote labor unions across the world and she worked at the Solidarity Center for I think it was about 15 years. She goes to work at the Department of Labor under Biden in her time at the Department of Labor. So, she went not just to the Department of Labor to but to a specific bureau that funded the Solidarity Center that during the Trump administration gave the Solidarity Center $10 million, but after she joined that bureau gave the Solidarity Center $54 million. And this is the story over and over again in the Biden White House. Not only was it a revolving door, but it was also they were shoveling money to these nonprofits that propped up their their interests and their ideology and went after their opponents, their political opponents, too. Do you think the Southern Poverty Law Center, the SPLC, received money from the US government as well? So, I haven't found any money from the US government to the Southern Poverty Law Center, but I think it's very it's very important to note they had a lot of impact in the Biden administration. So, Margaret Wong bragged about being brought in to advise on domestic terrorism. They had meetings with the Department of Justice, the Department of Education. They also met with Kristen Clark, who was the head of civil the civil rights office at the Department of Justice. She's the woman who brought charges against peaceful prolife protesters uh using a law that she wouldn't use to defend pregnancy centers. So, this is complicated issue. It's called the Face Act. It should protect pregnancy centers and abortion clinics. That's the way it was written. That's the way the DOJ has said it applies. When you had all this violence against pregnancy centers after the overturning of Roie Wade there, I think there was like one or two cases that her department brought, most of them just scot-free, nothing. And then there were a lot of cases like the situation with Mark Hook where local law enforcement looked into the matter and said, "He didn't do anything wrong. We're not pressing charges." She comes in and says, "He's a conservative protesting abortion. We're going to throw the book at him." And anyway, this this situation happened over and over again. And the SPLC was meeting with her. But the SPLC also was the force behind the the anti-atholic memo. I think you might remember in 2023 the FBI, Richmond FBI had this memo and it said that radical traditional Catholics are a threat to America and FBI agents need to develop sources and infiltrate these churches and find where these threats might be because they're a threat to our country. And the source that they used for this memo was the Southern Poverty Law Center. And it was a a list of radical traditional Catholic hate groups that hadn't been updated for something like 10 years. And I talked to some of the people on this list because I was curious. And they said, "Oh yeah, well that organization on the list doesn't exist. That organization is a bunch of nuns in a convent." Like it's it's insane this list that the FBI was using. But the FBI was using it. And we have now learned that this list went out to a thousand FBI agents and they didn't do anything. They didn't complain. Like there were there was one or two FBI agents who sent emails to each other saying, "I'm concerned about this. Why are we why are we at the beck and call of the Southern Poverty Law Center?" But not a single of those thousand FBI agents and staff who received this memo made even a peep to the Richmond office when they got this memo, which really suggests that the conserv the anti-conservative bias of the FBI is way bigger than you think it is. Hm. Well, you know, you we talked a lot about the Southern Poverty Law Center, but once you start understanding the SPLC, you start understanding all the other groups that work in tandem with them, like as I mentioned, the teachers unions, etc. And so this this is this chart that I guess you you you put together that helps illustrate and it's it's it's very complex and very convoluted. Maybe you can explain just what was your vision and why should people be aware of of this intricate web of really the the backbone of trying to take down what America is about, right? I mean, these are all these groups that just don't believe in in in in the American DNA. Yeah. So, this chart is all of my research for the woketopus, my second book, in one graphic. And I'm not sure what the best way to do this is, but maybe maybe I'll just So the top level is mostly funders, people that have the money that they send in. The second level is funders who also influence the government. The third level are five major campaigns of different groups that work together to push one particular agenda. And then the bottom is all the agencies where they sent their staff and their ideas through the federal government. So what would be like key issues that they take on which I guess is their way to just push this intersectionality concept and and and bring together groups to um get mobilized, right? That's what it is. They find these five issues that they think can mobilize their audiences. Yeah. Well, so the organizing principle that I have here is my definition of woke, which in the way I describe it is it's a comprehensive worldview that brings together critical race theory, climate alarmism, gender ideology, and a preference for technocratic government. And so all of those are kind of jargony terms, but critical race theory and the others are what you describe as, you know, intersectionality. This is the idea that there's oppressors and oppressed and the oppressed are black people, immigrants, women, LGBT, etc., etc. Um, climate alarmism, which they use to justify sending a lot of money to their cronies and to scare people into them having power. Climate alarmism is a fundamental aspect because it's a really useful tool for them. It's just like when the SPLC releases their map and says hate is increasing. Give us money. Climate alarmism operates on the premise that when you drive your car, you're destroying the earth and therefore you should feel guilty and you need to keep us in power because we're going to create a new carbon-f free economy. Meanwhile, what that what that means in practice is John Podesta, who is the co-founder of the Center for American Progress and the head of Hillary Clinton's campaign, he was put in charge of sending all the money, all the green money in the inflation reduction act to all of, you know, it's right. It's something you can't the environmentalism religion is something you can't ever measure. You just throw more and more money at it and you just like claim that it's working, right? And so, um, why why is anti-Israel pressure such a big part of their agenda? Yeah, that's an excellent question. So, it it seems like it doesn't fit, right? Yeah. It just seemed like another country on the other side of the planet, Tiny, I don't understand why it's an issue, but it aligns with their narrative that Muslims are oppressed and their narrative that Muslims are, you know, essentially like a black religion. they they bring things together. So if you look at the the rhetoric around Palestine, Palestine, it's always that these poor oppressed minorities are being forced down by white European colonizers. And it's really interesting to see, you know, Jewish people, those who were the most oppressed throughout history being described as oppressors and colonizers when, you know, and and when they came into Israel, Israel was just one part of the Ottoman Empire and then the British mandate for and and it was like there there wasn't an identity of Palestinian. Mhm. This was just one part of a broad empire and a lot of these people are Arab. They're not, you know, and and they're part of the Islamic world. And so when they they created in the history of Israel is they created this perpetual grievance and they named it Palestine and they named it using the Roman word that was slapped on the land to erase Israel from the map. Like this this is a very longstanding fight between the Israelis, the Jews, right, and those who would kick them off this land. And when you hear from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, that is a call to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and say that the Jewish people uh buy into it because there's one Jewish country in more than 50 Muslim countries. So this idea that Israel is the one who is oppressing all these other Muslim countries where there's barely one teeny little Jewish country. But but why in America is this such a big thing for these NOS's? Why would the SPLC get behind this stuff? Why is the SP SPLC representing CARE right now which is basically associated with the Palestinian Liberation Group? I mean, wasn't the founder Jewish or one of the founders Jewish? The found one of the founders of the SPLC is Jewish. Like I I just I just don't understand like this this the connection between the SPLC and CARE and the riots in Los Angeles. Is there some nefarious group that is orchestrating? Is this what you've come up with here where you basically say they're creating all these oppressor narratives in order to accomplish what what are they trying to accomplish with this bizarre web of NOS's and their entanglement with unions and government? What's their end goal? It's power. It's destabilization of the America that we know, that we grew up with, of our constitution, of our values, and the creation of an entirely different kind of America that pushes their ideology, communism. And this is well, you could name you could name it communism. I think they would balk at that. But the important thing here is that it is a separate worldview. is a different way of looking at the world. And we're going through right now in the west something similar to what happened in the Protestant Reformation and the wars of religion afterward. We have the ideology, you know, the faith of America, the faith of our fathers where we believe in the goodness of our country. We believe in free markets. We believe in the constitution, limited government, and there's this totally different worldview based on intersectionality, based on this call for social justice that has a lot of moral force, but it's ripped away from the truths of our history. It's ripped away from the things that actually make America great. Right? Well, our Department of Education in every state is not focused on teaching these things. They're focused on teaching the opposite and much of the funding comes from the federal department of education which hopefully will be shut down. Well, that's the thing. The rot is everywhere. It's everywhere. That That's why like I describe myself as an unlikely populist cuz I want to trust institutions, but institution after institution after institution has proven it is corrupt and they've been infiltrated. This is like we think we won the Cold War. I'm looking back at the Red Scare and I'm saying I don't know how much we won because the USSR is no longer a thing, but the communist ideology and it's not it's not communism today. They're not they're not waving the this isn't a Bolevik revolution. This is something completely changed for our times and rebranded over and over and over. Every single NGO on the left is an attempt to rebrand this revolution and make it stick this time. This is the time. And the SPLC is standing in the wings trying to prevent anyone from stopping it. What do you think we can do about this? Because it's hard to walk out of this conversation not overwhelmed and not feeling, you know, a sense of despair when we talk about how all these NOS's have mooched off our government and have associated themselves with every element of of our lives. What can we do about it? Yeah. Well, that's an excellent question. Um, I'd be remiss if I didn't say that my books are useful resource. um making hate pay the corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center and the wokeup, the dark money cabal manipulating the federal government. I think the way that Americans can engage with this though, you have more power than you realize. And I think we all need to take courage by the fact that Trump did win his election. I mean, this was one of the most historic elections we've seen in our lifetimes. We had a guy, you know, the first former president to face federal charges. The first, you know, he he got an assassination attempt on the on the campaign trail. Someone tried to take him out because the left had constantly been spreading hatred of him for for so long. And and and we saw a guy resonate with the American people and thumb his nose at this ideology. That was the thing over and over again. One of the main reasons he won was because he was saying, "I'm Kamal Harris is for they them. I'm for you." That resonated. And I think Americans need to realize there are more of us who believe in common sense than you think. And if you speak up and if we make a stink, you know, I'm seeing company after company after company drop their DEI statements right now. It's true. Another big factory. Yeah. And I think that is but I think we have to hold them to the fire continually because this moment is not going to last forever. And they only went for DEI because they thought it was the hip thing. Now we see they're they're leaving it which is great. But we have to constantly say like when you're raising your kids, teach them the values of America. when you're, you know, when you're in the marketplace. I I think of there are companies out there that need to hear that the SPLC is not reliable. There are companies that are using the SPLC even now. Like there's Eventbrite, there's Airbnb that said they use the SPLC. We need to be asking them, do you really think this is an organization worth? Like this year alone, the SPLC put the largest conservative grassroots youth organization on their hate map with chapters of the clan. They put Prageru, which makes five minute videos on the hate map with Chapters of the Clan. They put Focus on the Family, which is the most mainstream conservative Christian nonprofit. like it it defined Christian nonprofits in the 1990s. Well, I'm going to do this. I'm going to check every company I shop with and I'm going to see if they're associated with the SPLC and if they are, I'm going to complain and I'm you know what? I'm not going to shop with with companies that are associated with with this group. This group is ruining our country. We should that's that's the first step. That's something we could do. Yeah. And that's a really big important step to make. And then we have to say we have to let we can't let Democrats off the hook. When they're citing this group, they need to hear. And when your local newspaper, when whatever newspaper you read is citing the SPLC and doesn't have, you know, like the AP recently ran an article about the SPLC's hate map. They mentioned that conservatives criticize the SPLC, but they never mention any of the scandals. They never mention anything that actually undermines the SPLC's credibility. Write a letter to the editor. Each of us has a lot more power than we realize. And if we push back, we can win. Well, I I uh I learned a lot of new things from you, but I really appreciate that I can walk out of this conversation with something tangible that I can do about this problem. So, thank you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for reaching out. And uh keep up the great work. and everybody can read your book and follow your work. I know that you're also on social media. What are your handles? Yes, it's Tyler to the number two O'Neal both on uh Truth Social and on Axe. Uh the platform formerly known as Twitter. Uh the Daily Signal is on YouTube, Instagram, every place except Tik Tok pretty much where we take no truck with the Chinese Communist Party. Well, we'll have to have a conversation about that another time, but for now, thank you and bless you for your work. Thank you again so much for having me.