Which Way Does It Go Back On? 1963 Ship Mates Pinball Stepper Unit Has Been Tampered With!

ladies and gentlemen this is Joe's classic video games back with another cool pinball repair video for you this evening we have been working on the Scotland Shipmates pinball machine for a while now and um just been working through it I have came I've seen a problem that I wanted to illustrate for you I thought you might be interested so this thing um this is the balls played stepper unit and it looks like somebody's been messing with it so I took it off cleaned it up and then I put it back exactly how it was but if you look see how it looks like these three screws can be loosened and that can be turned a little bit and see how it's at one extreme now you're going to think I just rigged it up like this no it was just like this one if you go back and look at the other videos that's how they had it and uh it looked weird to me whenever I saw it and so I put it back exactly how it was and then I decided you know what it'd kind of be cool to make a video to see if that is right or if that's wrong because uh what happens is somebody takes that off they didn't mark where it goes and then it's kind of tough to tell how it's supposed to go back in on so if you were to turn it you could turn it where these connections here these little I call them snowshoes but these little posts were touching stuff up here or over here just depending on how you turned it and then as you rotate it through these adjustments you can make it where the little shoe instead of Landing right on that rivet is on that rivet you know so it's kind of hard to figure out where exactly is that thing supposed to go and uh people always say to mark them but this one had no markings on it and from the factory usually they were not marked so it is back all the way right now and I'm going to show you how to figure this out with the schematics if you run into this problem on one of your pinball machines now it doesn't have to be a gauntlet it can be a Williams a ballet Chicago Coin Stern whatever they all have a similar setup with their stepper units you can see here on the zero to nine unit it's the exact same type of thing there's just a wheel that goes on there somewhere you can see how I mounted it it's more towards the middle of the adjustment but I still have it where the little Snowshoe is right on the rivet well let me uh let's get the schematics and figure it out I'm going to show you how to determine where that goes notice there are one two three four and then this one is its own little connection back to whatever's connected to this plate so there's one set that's connected two sets that's connected three sets that's connected but since there's two that may actually be four and then one here so as this thing turns around it connects different rivets together like whatever this one's touching to whatever this one's touching and then it turns and it connects two other rivets and it turns and it connects two other roots so if it's in the wrong spot the thing won't work right and whenever we fired this thing up on the first video uh it didn't work right so I think this thing might be off so let's check it out okay folks so we have the original schematics for Shipmates here now if you need schematics for your pinball machine no matter what it is go to the pinball resource and they can sell you a copy of about any game ever it's a pbresource.com but we have these if we didn't have these that's where I would find them okay so let me show you on the we're going to look at the schematics it's a big old sheet of paper we've taped it back together because it was falling apart um basically I'm going to look through it and find all of the areas where it mentions the balls played unit which is what we're messing with so one of the areas is right here balls played units so see how it says that it has rivets from zero to 19. okay and then see the two little arrows that are actually touching the two rivets so what that is showing you is one of those sets that we were just looking at on the back right so one of those sets will connect uh and in the home position which is where we are a blue and black wire to another wire that's yellow but which one of the four sets of those is it who knows I mean you might be able to figure it out but that might not be the easiest way to tell so let me find some other places oh here's another one so here is another area balls plate unit and it looks like on this one that it only has rivets from 8 to 19. actually it skips some look it's 8 9 10 and 11 and then it skips some and now you've got 16 17 18 and 19. so what's that mean well they're saying that this little one little jumper from one Snowshoe to another one will only connect at position 8 9 10 and 11 and then position 16 17 18 and 19. now look how they've drawn this they've drawn it so it's not actually touching the rivets which is different than over here where it is touching the rivets so why is it doing that it's because the schematics are drawn in a certain position so I believe it's it's drawn in the position where you're at player one on the first ball so uh we should be able to prove that here in a minute with the uh the light bulbs but player one on the first ball so if you're a player one on the first ball two of those little snowshoes would be connecting those two wires together at position zero but over here you wouldn't be at position eight yet you'd be at position zero because that's how all this is drawn so when they draw the two arrows representing the little jumper they can't draw it connected to eight because it's not it's connected to zero right you once you get up to position eight those would then be touching all right so that's two of the places so that's another one of the snowshoes the little jumpers I guess doesn't connect to anything until it gets up to position eight and then connects to something maybe not the easiest one to figure out let me see what else I got here here is another one balls played unit okay so here is another jumper that connects two wires at position zero a white and blue wire and the same yellow wire yeah no red and white red and white wire a white blue Iron a red and white wire uh and it looks like maybe those are only connected at position zero one two and three and then it's never connected again whatever that seems confusing too here is another one that does the same thing so position zero it's connected to something and then at one two and three it's connected to something now notice how one side of the rivet or the the jumper is connected to this red and white white wire which comes up here and connects to this one so you've got one jumper with two pins one goes over to this zero one two three and then the other one goes over to this zero one two three but they're different well that's probably that one with three pins that's probably this one so this is probably the red and white wire and at position zero this is connected to one set of rivets and this is connected to another set of rivets and then as if it turns four positions there are then no more rivets and if this turns four positions there's no more rivets I don't know if we can prove that I don't know so you know is that the best way to set it up no probably not that one's kind of confusing too so let me see what else we got here all right that's the only ones that I see except for my favorite the light bulbs now if you're working on a pinball machine and you've got problems a good place to start is the light bulbs because the light bulbs will tell you what relay is on and blah blah blah it's just easier to figure out over here you get a lot more this is the side that's the relays okay so that side you get a lot more math going on I call it math so it's like a this switch has to be closed this switch has to be closed this switch uh has to be this way but not that way and this stepper unit has to be here it's just very complex on the light bulb side it's always much easier so if you look at this part it says balls played unit so you have one wire that is slight and green that comes through the XB relay I think it's the last ball relay I think um Maybe but anyway you got one wire that comes up and then connects to the board and look it's not the the the jumper looking thing right it doesn't look like that it's just one wire and we saw one on there that was just one wire right so that ought to be that ought to be the easiest one to figure out so one wire somewhere on there there is one that is just one wire and it should be pointed to a blue wire when the first ball is in play so if you look at what's going on here as this turns the ball played unit this position is ball one player one this is ball one player two this is ball one player three this is ball one player four and then it will go to ball two player one right ball two player two ball two player three ball two player four ball three player one right so that's how they have it set up if you're playing a one player game on a gotlib you will hear it be it right here and then at the end of the ball it'll go it'll go click click click click because you just skipped player two three and four and went up to the what they're calling position four which to confuse you even more is actually position five if you look because there's a position zero but you get my point so at the end of the ball the first ball if there's a two-player game it'll go click and step up one position the balls played unit will step up one position but if it's a four if it's a one player game it'll go click click click click and step up to here so that it lights ball number two so my whole point is this is the easiest way to line the thing up since we know we're at the zero position there should be a way to put one wire on the first rivet in a string of 19 rivets right and it will have a blue wire attached to it this wire will be slate and gray so let's see if we can find anything that even approximates that all right so if we look these two are jumper together so that's one set of that jumper this is the one we were talking about where it might actually be two of them this is one jumper together and this is one jumper together but very close to it is also this one which is just one wire that must be our light one right but you can see that the wire color is not slate and gray but that's because they're using it as a jumper to hear this metal plate behind it has a metal ball so I would I would call that and then there is a metal shaft that goes through there so let's lay this down okay so all of this is metal metal metal metal metal everywhere and if you look attached to the metal frame all of this is metal attached to the metal frame you have this wire now here's the problem that you run into on these old pinball machines what color is that wire uh dust Brown that's what it looks like to me that wire is dust Brown so here we have an obviously red wire and then there's an obviously white wire with a black tracer on it okay this one is probably a black wire with a red tracer on it that one below it who knows so you kind of got to play this game could that be a a slate colored wire with a gray trace on it uh uh slate and gray are really similar so I mean it could be right so I think that's correct and we kind of know it is because it's it's connected to our one uh pin so all of that metal connects together through here and that is just grounded to it basically I'm saying grounded but it's not it's shorted to it it's not actually ground if you follow this back sometimes if you follow the wires back to where they go in the wire loom you can see it a little bit better but on this one it's just also Dusty you can't really tell but we're gonna have to guess that's our slate and gray wire okay and now when we're at the home position it should be connecting that wire to this rivet this this little shoe should be on the first of four rivets that are soldered together that have a blue wire going to it so then you run into this little problem well so I don't drop the thing you run into this little problem how do you know what wires are on which rivets look at all those freaking rivets but you can see one one little issue here see the one post there the one in the middle if you look at the home position it's not even on a rivet so if we're correct and that's the right one it's off one position that would explain why it didn't run right whenever we started it up in the first video so it's not even on a rivet so we're not at position zero we're at before position zero if we're in the right spot now here's the fun part look at all of these wires on the back side of this thing look at all this crimp you can barely see the rivets right so I can just tell you because I moved it around earlier I don't know if I can show you let me see if I can get it where you can see it let me figure out which one is which let me get it in my head okay so this is the first rivet right about there right this is the second row of rivets and then inside there is the third row of rivets and if you carefully move those wires around there is a blue wire soldered to four rivets in a row and then it changes in the next four rivets are separate and they have an orange wire soldered to them and so on and so on so basically we're off one position that Snowshoe that little connector should be on the next rivet there which kind of makes sense if you look at this because this it you could turn it very easily to the next rivet so let me loosen those up and I'll show you all right so I have loosened them and if this thing will cooperate I'll turn it by hand and you kind of just Center them on the rivets okay so that is the home position now you can see it kind of lines up in the middle of the adjustments that is not always obvious though because that little boss in there that I was talking about has a set screw on it and if you take that apart that can turn anywhere so you may have a situation where to get it to line up it is at one extreme or the other of the adjustment but from the factory it probably wouldn't have been like that so if they haven't ever adjusted that ball since it left the factory this is probably about more how it should be lined up like I said I line this one up as well and you can see it's not quite as centered but it is fairly centered so uh that should change our situation just by getting it where the game starts on the proper reset position with the balls played unit so I'll tighten that back up and we'll move on but I hope that helps you figure out how to set that up we had a friend on our Channel Randy if Randy's still watching Randy a few several years ago was having a hell of a time on a bali Hocus Pocus that someone had taken that off of and he couldn't figure out where to put it back for its home position so you really just got to try to Sherlock it out and figure out well what's the easiest one on this one the easiest is to figure out that one pin it's just the easiest thing to to track down all right folks so now that we got that straightened out we need to clean all the score reels this is the most horrible part of the whole thing I'm gonna have to start doing reverse psychology on myself boy I love cleaning the score reels this is my favorite part here we go oh man all right so I'm gonna show you how they work so and this is they're different for each uh era of machines but this has got the famous rat trap I think it's called a rat trap why do they call it that because I can get my fingers stuck in I don't remember maybe it's not called them it's called a rat wheel hamster wheel whatever we're on zero so normally whenever you have a score basically this coil pulls in you know the game tells the coil to pull in a relay shuts somewhere on the score on the score relay it pulls this coil in and when it lets go there is a little lever in there that pushes this little cargo around that the wheel is attached to and it changes the score okay so all of this it has this end of stroke switch here so see how that switch is closed and so when this goes all the way in a little thing opens it and then whenever it goes back it's done end of stroke switch what do they call that like what does that say the lock-in switch so basically that by the lock-in they mean that um once it starts the score relay will stay on until that switch opens and that's to ensure that this has enough juice to get it all the way down okay it's from four five six seven eight now when you get to nine something crazy happens there's a switch over here that is open as well it's not connected but when you get to nine see that little bump on the cam there so when you get to nine that will close bam now that switch is closed now that didn't do a thing when that switch closed nothing happened but the next time you score a point instead of just giving you a point on this to Move It from nine to zero because that switch is closed the same switch will give you a point on the next one okay now another thing there's switches over here these are always closed now there's four switches but it's really two switches they just have two black two blades on each one to make sure to make sure that that works right okay so at position one two three four five six seven eight and nine those are closed but whenever it goes to zero click they open and that's how the game ensures that it resets back to zero at the beginning of the game it just keeps resetting it until that switch opens so it it's a very similar concept to how all of them work so on the ones like this it depends on how deep you want to go into it you know like on the ones on this game the middle ones don't have uh the circuit board on it um I'll show you another one to show you the circuit board but four of these don't have a circuit board on it so I use one of those just to show you because it's easy to see the switches from the outside the actual metal on some of these you can wipe them down with just you know soapy water or by the way soapy water is basically Windex so Windex works pretty good on that or you can use wax so sometimes whenever you spray Windex or some kind of cleaning chemical on these it will make the ink run on that paint and it'll just wipe the numbers right off of it so you got to be careful and kind of test a little spot maybe test the the nine or something you know something just figure it out but if you get one where that's an issue if you use wax wax is actually a cleaner it'll clean it right up and it won't take the paint off okay so I'm going to wipe this one down a little bit and then I'm going to we're going to take another one apart that has the uh the little um PCB on it so you can see how that works all right so a lot of these have this little board which means you can't get to the switches to clean them and also you need to clean this board so I'll show you how to do it ignore this seek this e-clip and the washer under it don't mess with it you're going to take these three screws off now if you look really close uh well I'll show you here in a second but take these three screws loose and all of this is going to pop loose when you do but I'm going to show you how it keys back in so there are three parts this is the bottom part now if you notice see the six circles in the middle there there's two sets of three in a triangle shape okay if you look really closely one set of three they're all the same size that's the one that the screw goes through and then one set of three two of them are smaller than the other one that's how it goes on the can because it has to go in a specific spot so that this wiper is in the right spot depending on what number you're at okay and then here is the score reel itself it's just a stamped piece of tin basically and if you look really close it has the same scenario three of the screw holes are big that's the one that the screws go through and then there are two small ones and a big one and just to clarify the big one points at the five just to make it confusing but you can figure it out it can only really go one way and then this is the top one they're all the same so you don't have to worry about putting it on wrong so all you got to do worry about is lining those up with the cam whenever you go to put it back on now there are three little Donnie would call them breast breast diseases but he'd use another word but uh there's a little thing that pops up here boy I might get I might get uh canceled again look there's nothing wrong with saying that there's little things that pop up here that the that this lines up with now if you look see that won't work because you can't put the screws back in the holes so you got to get it just right to where the larger one which is of this one lines up with the larger of these three ah really what can I call them bumps there's a really good word for it but I'll get banned from YouTube if I use it Donnie would do it though my brother Donnie so see that little bump there what's that look like that's how that one's bigger and that one's smaller so this one's like a a cup and that one's like a c-cup okay so you got whenever you line it up you have to line that up right that's the whole secret of it look people I know a lot of older people watch my channel I'm on to y'all I know I know what y'all did back in the 70s so you know I know you're not embarrassed by this and the okay I'm gonna stop talking okay so basically if you get that off then you have to take these two screws loose so you can get this board off but all that's really going to allow you to do is to pull this up out of the way so that you can access the switches down there now since we left this c-clip or e-clip on here we don't have to worry about this cam moving out of the way right so if we use the little plunger we can test to make sure it's moving right and this series of score reel works really well it's just they're kind of over designed So gottlib eventually made them simpler so that they could save money I'm sure um but if you take these two loose you can get this out of the way so that you can clean the switches down below okay so I got it loose and was able to clean these switches underneath with a little file got them all cleaned up but people I'd like to apologize for saying the word well I didn't say it but you know what I you know I wasn't supposed to say well you know what I'm trying to say here I shouldn't have said that sometimes I take it a little too far I'm just going to edit this out uh I hope I remember too you know a lot of times I'm a couple weeks ahead on these videos so boy if I don't edit this out I'm gonna be in big trouble okay so I'm going to clean this up and then we'll uh we'll put some a little bit of Dielectric grease on it here my favorite dielectric means it's good for this stuff okay so we'll put a little bit of that on there to make sure that cam can turn well if you get this all in the wrong spot because you don't get it on the right uh lovely lady lump there it'll just basically it'll still work but you won't have the right score so it won't reset to zero it'll reset to four or something like that um but let's clean this up all right so I cleaned it up a little bit took it's got the grease off of it and then I hit hit it with a little bit of sandpaper ready to go and I put the Dielectric grease on it good to go so now we got to mount all the stuff back on it so you can see it a little better like that that's the big one there's the small ones all right back how it was now you can test it actually if you're a limber here oh since it all moves so concentric in there or whatever you don't have the problem that you have on the later ones where uh they hang them stuff you hardly ever have these that hang at all it's just and then of course the since it uses the actual long switches they're big old blades that move it's kind of easy to move them so you don't really have the uh the issue that where it hangs on nine or something like that you might have the issue where it doesn't score on nine because the switch is not adjusted right or it won't reset properly because the switch is open or something like that but not too much so that one is nice and clean and we'll put it back and then I can't wait I have eight more to do all right let's see here on my YouTube analytics age and gender this video since uploaded oh I'm I'm fine I'll lose one point look I'm fine it's not nothing bad's gonna happen let's see age okay under age not one per okay yeah we're good hey hey we don't have to edit it out there's no kids watching we're good should I start doing clock videos in the middle of my I can't do that I'm just I'm gonna keep doing the pinball video all right so I cleaned every score reel it took forever it's like eight weeks later but I got them I got them as clean as I could possibly get them physically and the uh you know all of the everything that we looked at there so now we're gonna do the coolest part we get to turn the thing on and see if they all reset to where they're supposed to be now it shouldn't do it when I plug it in but sometimes it does depending on what relay is what so I'm going to film plugging it in that way if they all reset to zero I don't have to put them all back on one to get it on video who was it I heard something roll probably a pinball so what happened I don't know weird stuff going on here it turned on lights I don't know looks like we're in the middle of a game or something okay let's see if we can get them all to reset here we go this is going to be epic it probably hasn't done this in a long time I told you it was going to be epic and you thought I was over people there's no hyperbole here that was the coolest that's happened in months around here did you see how quick they all went bam done perfect think about that I took them all apart and fixed them just like that to where they worked perfect the first time my skills are growing all right so I do see though that we've got something going on here this middle one ain't in there right or something that doesn't line up see how wonderfully these line up and these line up and those line up so I probably just got it clipped in wrong okay uh you know we haven't really looked at it with the lights on the Playfield let's kill the the SE these uh you know these lead lights and see what this thing looks like in the dark with all the original old lights in it okay so there's a few lights hanging on there about half of them look like they're burnt out I don't know what that thing in the middle is I think that's where the title is or it says ships Shipmates um I keep thinking Ships Ahoy or it says Shipmates um and I believe we're in gameplay the first person is lit up what is this though is this the game over bar one two three four five or something like that Shipmates game over maybe [Music] uh player one two three four maybe this is game over maybe well there's one over there too maybe that same player shoots again and maybe this one says uh ball and play I don't know I don't have the back glass in it you know how you can tell though oh yeah oh yeah we're right in the middle of a game here we go I have no shooter [Applause] flick [Music] it's crying what happened there's a coil somewhere not having a good time okay so I dropped the ball in the out hole which made the score motor turn um which turned off whatever coil that was I don't know I don't know what that was but we got some issues there don't we and then look here but that may maybe that's like that yeah it's not they're not all the fan ones see how the spacing is different between the three he wouldn't think there's supposed to be that little red one though although there's one on each side you'd think they were all supposed to be like that but we'll look at a picture of the flyer and figure that out and then we'll order some parts to make this thing beautiful like it ought to be look how the part over the the famous Roto Target is metal it's not plastic so you're hearing a little bit of humming you know that's what we were working on on the previous video there's just some coils that are on while the game's in play Okay so usually just because of I'm sure there's a great reason for it but usually that's one that's two that's three that's four and that's five I don't know why they do that but I'm sure there's a good reason and this is one of the ones with the ball elevator so you got to press this to get to the ball let's see if we can lock her back on okay so did you hear how it turned off it's not humming now so that was some kind of alternating relay or something sometimes there's a relay that makes the lights on one side of the Playfield one or the lights on the other side of the Playfield one so this like 10 points when lit it might be this side's on and then when the alternating relay goes the other way this side's on so it could have been that one and usually whenever you score up some points it makes it bounce back and forth so maybe that was it let's see now we're on presumably ball number three I wonder if they do that so that if you're playing a three ball game it wouldn't really matter I guess I don't know why they do that but I'll bet someone in the comments does what's going on [Applause] oh what [Music] foreign plugged it that moved which is the 0 to 90 unit so what's probably going on is the end of stroke switch or something wasn't working let's see if we can figure that out so it's hard to tell but I believe that this is the ad 0 to 9 unit which is that one that we saw move after we turned off the power so that was stuck why would that be if that's correct I think that's correct maybe I could throw one but the in relay when it pulls in makes that happen as long as the score motor doesn't turn to the point where motor four seat opens right so if the in relay were to lock on what would this do it would go foreign right so the in relay is the one point relay by the way folks excuse me if you don't have these schematics for your machine we had someone email the other day wanting to know where he could get some Williams schematics because he couldn't find them online well there's only a couple places you can get scans of schematics but these got live ones you won't see very many scans online the way to get those is go to pbresource.com the pinball resource pbresource.com they have about every schematic there's probably a few they don't have but I'll bet he's looking for them real bad um if it's a Williams em from the 60s I would imagine he's got every freaking one of them so this gentleman was emailing looking for schematics for a Williams em from the 60s I told him look pinball resource is going to have it and I copied you know these things are huge this these are the original ones that we've taped back together but they're huge they're you know almost four feet wide big old long schematics and they make copies not a little sheet of paper they make copies just like the original one so if yours are missing get a hold of them they'll send you a really nice set they're about 20 bucks something like that but really it's well worth the price people um to figure out stuff like this so the one point relay is sticking on or the switch on the one point relay or something like that but probably at a one point relay so let's figure out how the one point relay pulls in and how does it turn on that'll help us fix our little problem here okay so here is the one point relay in now also I had someone email the other day by the way folks we get tons of emails so if we don't answer you back immediately email us back we don't mind if you email 20 times email as much as you want but if we don't answer you back immediately we just haven't had time yet especially if it's a technical question because I like to look it up first right um so here is the in relay my theory is that's stuck on so if that were to stick on that would do just what what it just did we can also if we go look at the the front of the um oh yeah I think I know what's going on isn't that what our score was earlier we had a two at the end didn't we I believe we'll see if that's correct so what can turn on the end relay uh the gentleman emailed me and he was reading some schematics and he had it a little bit wrong because he had an area where it a line crossed like that well that line there does not touch that line or they would have drawn this little dot so if there's no Little Dot those two are not connected it's just they're drawn um laid out in such a way where it looks like they are but they're actually not so if the lines cross that doesn't mean they touch there has to be this little dot right so this in you have two lines there three four five six seven you have seven ways to score a point okay now one of them I had a I had another gentleman emailing wanting to know how do you tell which of the uh switches is the hold or the lock-in switch for the Relay well it'll have usually the same letter so like if the end relay a switch on the in relay can't turn it on because the like it can't turn itself on but once it's on that switch will hold in so that's what's going on this is held in by its own switch um and they do that until one of these other ones opens so see on ADD first ones if that score real pulls in it should open that end of stroke switch that we looked at as a matter of fact I think that may be the actual one we looked at um it should open that which would kill power through the end relay and turn it off once whatever turned it on was turned off so look here see all these little things you say one point contacts these are all of your Playfield switches so they're listing one two three four five six seven eight they say that there are eight switches on the Playfield that if you simply touch the switches together it's going to turn on the end relay the end relay is then going to hold itself on because of a switch on it until the score reel actually turns and gives you the point so that's why I was looking to see if we actually scored the point since we're on two we must have scored some points but maybe now it's misadjusted and this is pulling in but not opening that switch and allowing the end relay to turn off and again we know the end relay is stuck on or we theorize that because the zero to nine unit we saw that it moved after we turned it off it's because it was stuck in the coil was stuck in but the the things actuate and remove when the coil lets go so that's why it went click after the power was killed right so that told us which one it was so it could be one of the eight switches on the Playfield is sticking that could be if let's say one switch is stuck closed well that would also make the end relay stay on no matter what all this up here was doing that would still be stuck on okay so if that's not it you also have this way which is dependent on the a relay so the a relay is probably the alternating relay that I was talking about a minute ago it either is connected here or it's connected there if it's connected here you're going to go down to like the 10 point relay instead of the one point relay and then what makes it score is the F relay I know this stuff's all confusing but it's really not it's it's very down to earth the F relay is the left pop bumper relay I just heard something oh you know what I heard I heard the clock chiming I guess I believe I believe so okay so that's the the left pop bumper relay now see this little dot here I think those may be connected or something see how there's two there that aren't connected I think maybe there's a line missing so the left kicking rubber that's that down at the bottom the kicker the slingshot and the left pop bumper if either one of those come on it's going to give you a point same with the right ones now if the alternating relay goes the other way then it's 10 points so it just depends on how ours was it did kind of seem like we hit the right kicking rubber or the right pop bumper the two times that it did it um so that very well could be it so those would give you a in relay pop and then you've got this way which is dependent on the J relay um so what what is going on here the J the a relay is the alternating relay the J relay is the pop bumper control relay this is jjr let me see here what is the J relay yeah pop bumper control relay okay so I think what that's saying is these a relays are either turning it on a point or 10 points so if it's on 10 points then the power comes down this way let's see here okay it looks like you got two things going on this is the alternating relay is bouncing it from left to right left to right but the J One is turning it on or off so it's making it either ten or one depending on you could you know because it said 10 when lit and then it bounces back and forth so it looks like sometimes it's bouncing back and forth but it's not lit so you don't even know and in either instance it would give you one point so let's say that it connected through here through there that would give you one point or it connected through here through here that would also give you one point but once it comes if the J were to flip then when it connected through here it would give you 10 points and if that were up here it would only give you one point so it looks really tricky it's not really that tricky it's just some it's Gates basically okay all of you folks that do software or Hardware stuff will recognize all of this all right so that's another way that it so these three here all have to do with the pop bumpers and the left and right kickers okay it's coming on down you can also get one point through the O relay the O relay you would think is the out hole relay that it is not it is the Five Point relay okay so when the when some when you score something that makes Five Points that directs um the five-point relay to turn on and then the five-point relay will also start the score motor because it needs the score motor to count when you when you score these did you notice that it doesn't say anything about the score motor there's no score motor switch that one does just to open it yeah I guess I guess the score motor if it opens you can't score any of that but none of these are going to turn on um the score motor because there's no relay turning on like if you hit the left kicking rubber or the pop bumper one it's not going to turn on the score motor f and g should not turn on score motor yes here's what turns on the score motor WBKO I mean zero I mean o p u v s z not F and not whatever the other one is for the pop-upper but o does that's the Five Point relay okay so you score something that that makes Five Points right the way they do that is they turn on the five-point relay which starts the score motor and then the score motor starts turning and it has an Impulse Cam that hits five times as it turns from home position to home position so that switch will close five times and since the switch is closed in line to the one point relay as that motor closes Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam it will pulse the one point relay Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam five times that's why you don't have anything that scores two points or three points or seven points it's all one five ten even numbers or it can be 50. because you could pulse the ten point relay five times right now on some games they did come up with weird ways to make it score twice instead of once so like on your bonus it does that a lot and the way they usually would do that is just add another switch to the cam so as the cam turns this one switch closes and then another one closes over here or something so anyway uh our five point relay is probably not stuck on and then the last way is down here as long as the Y relay hasn't opened and if the X relay is just right the X relay being the 10 times the target value control relay and the Y relay being the 100 times the target value control relay did you read that 100 times the target value so depending on where that is when you hit the Rota a Target on the Roto unit you get big time points so some of the targets on the Roto unit appear to give you um one point or some variation of one point yeah Z is the Roto Target scoring relay so it could be a switch stuck on the Roto Target probably not but it could be um what I'm thinking it is is one of these because this would lock it on until this one opens on the first ones unit but it could also be the right kicking rubber switch maybe it's sticking or something or the right pop bumper relay maybe it's sticking it looked like one time I hit the right pop bumper and then it started buzzing real crazy and one time I hit the right kicker and it started buzzing really crazy all right so Sherlock Holmes clue number two the score did not Advance whenever I turned the power off so what does that mean that means that the scorer reel was not pulled in well why would that be that could be because the switch on the end relay doesn't always make so maybe that switch is a little bit wide where sometimes it makes sometimes it doesn't and so since it never made the score reel pull in the score real couldn't open the switch that uh turned off the end relay and then when we killed the power and the end relay went off it did not Advance the score reel because it wasn't anyway but it did allow the zero to nine uh Roto stepper unit to collapse because it did have it pulled in so we need a black and white wire running off the end relay and then the other side is red and white okay that switch did look like it was adjusted a little wide if you pulled in the relay it looked like it touched it but just barely so I adjusted this switch closer now you could have checked that by this is first player second player third player four player that one switch scores for all four players it just depends on which one of the player control relays is energized so if we would have played a two player game and soffit did the same thing for player two that would have proved that it must have been that switch but it could also be this switch you'd have the same exact problems I need to look at that one so the black and white wire that connects on the AAA relay with a yellow and red wire all right the AAA one looked fine and remember we haven't done anything to the uh to the play field yet I don't even know if we're still in the middle of a game got flippers I'm watching the score reel yeah same exact thing we're still at 126 so it did not score our point and the zero to nine unit was stuck on just as before so there's something going on there but you know what like I said we haven't even messed the Playfield yet so we're trying to play like a halfway clean game you really shouldn't do that but I'm just trying to illustrate things for videos make videos interesting so we'll figure it out next time I hope you enjoyed it 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