MAXING out our Cheap Race Car on the Dyno! (Cheap Race Car Ep.7)

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Are those corduroys? is that what they're called i don't know i'm surprised they don't get it a lot of race has been one of those if you left your jacket in my race trailer we got it for about five years josh are you ready i'm ready buddy you sure all right all right hey man we we were struggling over here you you're one with that car right which me and taylor were trying to crank it and we could hardly get it started it was puffing puffing puffing about ran the battery dead you know i knew josh wasn't in the seat was what it was that's what it was didn't want to run right didn't want to act right without josh in there the best part about this is that thing's got that front exit cable shifter and i can't wait to see you in there grabbing them gears oh he's gonna be struggling well we already talked about that that's got the wrong gate it's got the wrong gate in it so it's gonna be awesome it's gonna be awesome he's got a feel for it in there in the middle high end car too we got three cameras just on Josh you better hope you do high gear only pulls on the dyno you gotta put one on the dashboard straight in his face yeah at his beard out eyes like this yeah that's normal let him borrow your glasses this is Eli Troy's dog and like a lot of other dogs he's dealt with some annoying allergy issues scratching licking and just being uncomfortable at times one thing i didn't realize was how closely a dog's digestive health can be connected to their allergies and immune system that's one of the reasons we started using better wild allergy relief soft chews with Eli Better Wild makes veterinary and formulated supplements designed to support your dog's immune system and overall health using natural ingredients. 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One thing I'm starting to realize, when we were building this, we probably could have moved the fuel cell back a little bit. Just a little bit. Look at that. Yeah, it's a little tough. Cut this out. Yeah, but, I mean, it's going to work, you know? Yeah, that'll work. So when we drive this, we can run E85. We'd probably be okay on a dyno, but it does make 12-to-1 compression because we found the cheapest engine we could find that would make some power, which is a little bit more than we probably need for having some boost going in there so we got some real VP X85 so we're going to start there just to make sure we don't have any detonation John is here from IRD Carvers, he's gonna help us with a tune and we're at Blacklist Performance on their hub dyno which is way to go you know i mean it's not this thing is serious hub dyno hub dyno is really a way to go because you don't want if you're on a rollers which the rollers work okay but if it's spinning or moving it this is real deal right to the right to the source so we're going to know for sure we got going on Tom what's your horsepower guess before we leave here today the highest horsepower the highest horsepower yeah 1050 1050 thousand fifty okay that seems a little well i don't want to overshoot it if you go over you lose to be honest that seems too high if you go over you lose seems too high already it does i don't we'll see a thousand fifty i would be super excited about that that means we definitely got eight second hot rod easy if it makes a thousand fifty so we'll see Josh what do you horsepower wise on doesn't matter before we leave highest before we leave 1185 1185 we're on a hub dyno you guys must know something i don't know that's a hub dyno man they're a little more uh how do you say relaxed on numbers i guess okay we'll see i guess i'm thinking like a thousand thousand nine ninety five i've got two numbers nine but you got two numbers you said one number i got a 650 number 650 and we make 650 we're leaving it here well something goes you know so yeah that's what i'm saying it still might make 650. yeah hopefully on its way to a thousand on its way to 10 yeah hopefully like 650 a thousand same round somewhere in there we'll make 650. so if it if it hits 650 you owe me a coke i'll get you a coke anyways tom just because i like it okay all right john so you built this carburetor yeah unfortunately we don't know anything about this engine yeah so we're just kind of guessing on everything really educated guesses i've got a lot lot of data on small block Ford engines so let's just say i erred to the side of caution on this carburetor with some spare parts i had in the shop so i mean they ain't pretty but they'll work well let me ask you a question because i've never done any carbureted stuff that's just just haven't okay now when we do fuel injected stuff and we need more fuel we just type in some numbers when you need more fuel to the carburetor how do you tell it it needs more fuel as it builds boost well besides just boost reference or is that the thing that i do is is that even though you have a Holley Dominator setup in there or Terminator X or whatever you're running your data log is going to show you like where you want your proposed air fuel numbers to be so sometimes what i'll do is i'll go in there and i'll use target air fuel and then i'll get it as close as i can to where i want to see it drop and then as we get into a load to make sure that we have enough fuel to keep this thing rolling if it doesn't then we have options to add fuel either be boost reference power valve if the car's equipped this one is or sometimes we'll use a high speed air bleed we'll manipulate that make three thousand smaller or four thousand bigger depending on what the car needs and a lot of people overlook that and that is a huge adjustment because let's just use it as an example let's say your air fuel ratio is 10 to 1 and you have a 35,000 speed in it and you want it to be leaner you would go from let's just say that 35 and you want it to get up to let's say 11 or 12 you would go from 35 to maybe 38 or 40 and take a swing and what that does is it takes your overall fuel table for you injected guys out there we will take the fuel table and we will go from 10.0 to 11.0 okay so it'll bring the whole thing up across the board and then obviously we have low speed stuff that we can do on the motion package for again EFI guys uh that is our fuel table so we have to play in thousands you guys get to play with numbers so it's a little different but the ending result is the same um as long as the motor is what you guys somewhat know it to be i guess because we're all in this we're all in this uh predicament right now but you know if we creep up on it a little at a time we should be all right yeah we'll just need to see i mean obviously we don't have the choice of fuel that we want i would have preferred to see some x85l in it only because of the compression being 12 to 1 um if it's actually 12 to 1 yeah we don't know we don't really even know but that's what we we bought the engine that's what we're told yeah so you know at that point you know we'll go and read the plug that's that's it man a lot of guys like following that air fuel sensor man the plug is the real measurement yeah that's the real deal that's it it's it's in the middle of the chaos and that tells you everything right there so for sure well now knowing what you know what do you think we can make before we leave here today I don't know. If we get saucy with it and the motor shows us it's happy, oil pressure's great, we don't have a problem with any of the fueling. And, I mean, like I said, you know, the fuel pump in this car is what I'm worried about. Yeah. I don't know if it's going to have enough for us to do what we want. But if we can get it 12 pounds, I'm going to be cautiously optimistic. Let's go 930 to 950 at the hub. And then if we decide we want to get froggy and go 15, maybe 1,200. Wow, 1,200. If this thing makes 1,200 horsepower and it weighs 2,800 pounds, how fast are we going in a quarter mile? 550 is 850 or 870, somewhere in there. And if it's 2,800 with that, I'm going to say it would be a low eight second car. That's what I'm thinking. Low eights. And then if we get that, let's just call it hero air, if you will. Yep. Some boost weather. We'll get that thing in the sevens. They might not like it, but we'll get it there. Sevens would be insane, especially for the budget. I know we did go a little over budget, but all in all, to go sevens with a car that costs $18,000, $19,000-ish will be absolutely crazy. Parts-wise, we don't have a lot. I think a lot of people looked at the labor we have in it because we do have a lot of labor in it. But the goal with this cheap car challenge was what could you in your garage build if you have the skills to build a car for X amount of dollars. So, really, we have $18,000 of parts, $18-something thousand dollars of parts. And if you could do the labor, you could have the same exact car, too. All right, Josh, you ready? Ready as I ever be. You got all the bolts tight? Bolts tight. nothing's loose you didn't forget nothing i hope not i hope not too bud i hope not too it's it's been a long time for sure all right we're about to check the timing all right we're gonna do pull number one what's the plan here floor it flash the converter see what the AFRs are all right let's do it yeah i mean that's not bad yeah yeah yeah um that's not bad not a bad start that's not a bad start all right we got the plug out after that little pull right there and what do you think 5600 i mean it didn't really show us much as far as like what it is but when you look at the plug here you can clearly see that there's not a lot of heat and on the ground strap right here we're extremely conservative on timing um obviously this these plugs have been in there for a lot of start and stops and moving around the parking lot and stuff like that once we get the first 6500 pull in 7000 ish we're going to check to see how much heat's around this cadmium to start and then our target's going to be is to make this you know, electrode look really like a nice eggshell white, you know, with a little bit of fuel ring at the bottom. And ideally that timing mark either is going to get here or as we add more power, it'll start to get towards the beginning or the middle of the bend. But for just starting this out, I'm good with it. All right. I like it. How much boost did it make right there? Any? To be honest with you, I don't know. We don't know. We didn't, we didn't datalog that time. So we're going to do it this time. So we're going to change some things over. I'm going to have them move the air fuel sensor over from the mainline dyno to the actual car. And then we won't have to worry about stuff on that aspect of it all right i like it let's get it all right second run we're taking a 65 or 7000 i'm gonna back up for this one because i know you had this motor part around so i'm gonna back up which rod did you have out just in case we have any we'll find out when it comes out look at that green though look at that pulling though you see the graph let me see the graph pretty good yeah yeah yeah no we're good what's the green wait what's the green and what's the red how do we know what we got going on there i don't know it looks good but i know we made 795 all right so the green line is horsepower so it was not even trying to if anything it was still going up pretty hard yeah but we were we were climbing with boost too so that's what it's gonna do a thousand a thousand would be amazing honestly all right let's look at this though we did we did have some some more boost than we thought we're gonna have right we got a little boost creep because right now we have no co2 on and the boost went to 14 yeah 14.1 pounds 14.1 pounds on a boost which is more than we would like to see but john said it's okay we took the plug out he said it needs a little bit of fuel so he's got some some drill bits and some hammers and a crescent wrench he's going to tune the fuel up for us right pull plugs out now and maybe put new plugs on so we can actually see because we went to what rpm we go to 7500 7000 7000 so we might be able to go to 78 if it sounds good yeah and then that's going to keep going up i think we might go get to a thousand my 1100 ish doesn't sound bad if we go to what that was this thing's gonna run good oh it's fine are you ready i'm ready john to tune this up now i know you need a i know you need a crescent wrench, a hammer, a flathead do you need does a does a hammer need to be a wood handle or regular right there we don't use hammers here homie i thought it was a wood handle hammer only no man that's for guys that wear jorts and New Balance bro ah you're right that's a double that's that's an all-in-one right there so you don't have to carry so many tools yeah yeah i like it that's the answer we needed to tune up your carburetor and you got 18,000 drill bits fine tuning sometimes all right so we took the waste gate apart and i think we put all the springs in there josh said he wanted all the boosts so he put all huh that is straight out of the box well i know but i don't think you're supposed to put all of them in i didn't do that it was in the box oh well they just put them in there so they could uh save on shipping and not have a bigger box yeah that's wild so that's why we're having boost creep i would imagine right all right so we're gonna fix this spring so we got a little boost control hopefully give another shot all right we're going to make another pull but this is going to be an easy pull it's not going to make as much power because we change the spring but now it's going to have less boost but we got to do this to know where our boost curve is to then add a boost ramp to the program and a Holley so it's gonna make a little less power but we got to do it 659 this though this means we can actually control the boost now right before it was pretty rough how much boost to make Josh I'm assuming well five pounds five pounds so a lot less boost still good horsepower though for how much boost for five pounds 660 I like it pretty good all right now we know where we got to start with a boost ramp to add some boost with some CO2 yeah make some power oh yeah all right so that was after the pass and after the adjustments on the carburetor what do you think so this is only five pounds so at this point it didn't quite open up the boost reference power valve what it's showing us here is is that there's heat you see how it's kind of pinkish and then it kind of has the yellowish look to it and then it goes back to the purple as it goes around it doesn't quite get to dark gray and you see how the center of the electrode where it's nice and eggshell white it's telling us that it's happy down low does it have a little bit of extra fuel of course and then once it gets into boost and we actually add that extra fuel through boost referencing this plug either will cool off just a little bit or it'll maintain so that's just telling us that in our linear pull that we just made for five pounds and not even opening up the boost reference power valve this is a good clean start it's not over flooded it's not drowning the car it's not sticky and there's no fuel residual left awesome so we're ready to add some boost yeah i think so i think if we put uh since we got five on the spring and that's all we made um i think that if we put 10 on there and we can get there just in little increments we'll make sure that it's right all right what do we got we're about to make another one got 10 psi on the dome safety's at 16 pounds i'm gonna open the dome we don't forget that you got the air fuel on make some power blow it up one of the two no hey start to sound like josh 23 josh no it's not gonna be on 832 but that's not gonna be on 10 pounds i don't think no that's gonna be more than 10 he put 10 on the dome it's probably i'm gonna say it's about 13 maybe more than 10 probably i think so and i didn't see no parts come out of it it's not rolling yet yeah what rpm did we go to 65 okay we'll see here's the laptop check the data log see we got josh see how much boost power is out the back 11 pounds that's only on 11 pounds 11 pounds and made 832 josh you're about to be in it you got your rocket ship cheap car rocket ship here all right we got josh gapping some plugs the last pull looked good looked a little lean so john's over there swapping the jets and the carburetor and we got a little bit colder plug we're going from an eight to a ten right Josh, yeah is going from an eight to a ten i think this will probably be our last pull huh hey man john's saying yeah john's confident he's been he's been pretty on the money with all the tune-ups and stuff so far he's got this thing dialed in and he hasn't even had a hammer out yet i thought for sure there was going to be a hammer in this box but no hammers i'm really surprised by that no hammers we got the plugs changed to a colder plug john changed out the jets and we're targeting 15 pounds we made 11 on the last one but we got a boost cut at 20 that was josh's decision so if at 19.5 it tosses the rods out of it josh is warrantying the engine so we're good there he's warrantying it he said put the boost cut at 20 not 16 so if if we have a data log and that's when it kicks rods out it's on josh that's right did you did you did you bring your check the 899 it sounded good though i wonder if it hit that boost cut i couldn't make 20 no way hey 16.4 wow all right and it's uh it's linear so 16.4 was like at the end what rpm was that 7300 7300 73 that's awesome 900 horsepower oh look at that see that rainbow color is that good or bad that's good it shows you that you got the heat there we're not we're not being too lazy on it but you know we're not we're not being too safe but we're not being not aggressive enough it's it's got enough heat to keep it in there for where we're at 7,315 pounds I'm okay with that and then now I'm going to take the autoscope and look down in there and make sure we got some fuel left you'll be able to see that because on some E you'll be able to see like a light graying or like kind of like a pencil lead mark that'll let us know what we're dealing with but i mean for the most part that nice rainbow color looks really nice all right now let me ask you a question okay we're on 16 pounds okay you think we can get to a thousand safely yeah i mean we can shoot for it we just need to make sure that we got the fuel there and then we just trim it wherever else we need it to get it to cruise where we want it and should be good all right josh i need to get an updated approval from you are we guaranteeing a thousand horsepower bottom end right here yeah you're willing to guarantee that one yeah okay and if it breaks you got it no no no no no that's why i'm asking you you're good hey it's it's rich the timing's pretty safe i'd throw 20 pounds at it okay all right hey we got we got josh's blessing all right we're gonna make one more pull we got 899 i really want to see a thousand to be honest and fair i don't know you don't know john well john's saying we might be out of fuel but we're not sure so he's got his phone right there looking at the gauge but by the time that phone picks up we're out of fuel it's gonna be too late if it's really out of fuel but i think we got to try to see a thousand at least one time so john went through all the plugs and basically what we got is number one and number three looked a little hot on the timing so we took some out of those individual holes then we added one to all the holes and we're gonna put three more pounds of boost on the dome that's pretty safe i feel like really safe and we're gonna go from 7300 to 7500 so it's possible we see a thousand if we don't we're just gonna have to live with where it's at because we do want to make it to the racetrack yeah we don't want to this to be the end of our cheap car right here yeah we don't want to see a rod hanging out the bottom of it not ideally not ideally all right so we're gonna uh he's doing all this in the computer now taking the timing out of those two cylinders adding a degree to all the rest of the cylinders adding some boost let's see what we can do 915 whoa ah whoa look at the look at the look at this it's just straight up i mean it's trying to make a lot more power what happened there did it go to 7500 like 73 you might have chicken for a little bit maybe 20 pounds 20 pounds 21 21 pounds like right at the end it's still very linear 21 pounds at 15.6 degrees 15 16 degrees 16 degrees as as it's coming up on boost it's going down in timing right on our timing map about 16 degrees dropping down to six and a half pounds dropping down to six and a half pounds the fuel is yeah it's really hard to see because over here he's got 12 13 14 15 here's the gauge and as it climbs in that run you see how it falls off when he's done at the end of the run it goes down to three whoa and then we're done with the run right here so if you go back up to where it's actually showing you see we're visibly at seven uh-huh okay this thing's bouncing around bouncing around it's six seven eight you know it ain't going anything past eight and a half as hard as it is to see this you can clearly see yeah it is not doing that this is why i'm saying with this pump i think we're at the threshold of what it's capable of doing so if you look at the afr on that pass we were at 11.3 the pass before that pass we are 12.9 so that pretty much verifies what john's talking about that we need more pump but we can't afford more pump so what we're gonna have to do is call that the end of this dyno session i'm pretty happy with it i think we can go fast enough with 850 390 horsepower and we will just leave it like that maybe one day down the road when we have some budget you know when it's not the cheap car anymore we'd add a pump and and really turn this thing up but for now i'm happy all right well that's gonna do it for today's video we're done here at the dyno thanks again to Blacklist for letting us get on the hub dyno last minute and they're staying late look at this it's dark out here it's 10 o'clock at night they're tired too they were willing to let us keep going but we don't we don't really have any reason to keep going it's not gonna do us any good so i just wanted to touch on a few things uh last night at the dyno when we left it was late everybody was tired and we just want to get out of there but john from IRD if i just want to give a big shout out to he was absolutely awesome the guy has so much knowledge when it comes to these carburetors it's it's insane all way over my head but i'm gonna put a link uh to his website below you guys want to go check him out he makes some awesome stuff and it works really well he actually has the highest horsepower blow-through carburetor on a hub dyno ever in the world so pretty awesome we talked to john some more he looked at the plugs after this video and he basically said he doesn't think we're running out of fuel he thinks that a spark was getting blown out in a few cylinders that's why we went up so much boost and it didn't reflect in the horsepower so we got some stuff to figure out either the plug gap was too much and it was blowing it out or we need some coils or something so we're going to look all that over the fuel pressure was also not going up with the boost reference so we're going to work on that stuff this week hopefully we can get to the track ASAP we're saying we want it to be safe if there's an issue with blowing a spark out or not getting enough fuel because it's not seeing boost referenced and we got to get that stuff fixed but i didn't want to say that because in the video we said that uh basically it wasn't getting fuel or that we're at a fuel pump but i don't think at this point that's the issue anymore so we're going to try to get that stuff figured out get this thing to the track thanks for watching this cheap car stuff has been absolutely awesome i know we went over the budget but it's been a really cool really cool project and hopefully we can race this thing do some drag and drives and and have an absolute blast with it that's gonna do it for today's video thanks for watching make sure you like share and subscribe and we'll see you on our next one