They Have the Bodies.. Grusch Saw Them on Film | Joe Rogan

Somewhere, there's a piece of film from a crash site, where the camera swings past bodies on the ground and doesn't stop, because the people holding it have a job to do. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? My name is David Charles Grush. David Grush, the intelligence officer who told Congress under oath that America has recovered bodies that aren't human, says he's watched that film. There is such similarity that there was a concern from a genomic perspective, and there was work on that to compare genomes. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to that and what they found out. Work to compare genomes from biological samples? Yeah, dead cadavers. So that's real? Oh, 100%. So there are dead? Oh yeah, I know that for sure. How do you know that for sure? I got to see the audiovisual. He's not saying someone told him anymore. He's saying the bodies exist, they've been kept, somebody filmed them, and he knows what they look like. When Congress asked him the same thing, he wouldn't say it in public. That was three years ago, in a hearing room in Washington. A congresswoman wanted to know straight out whether the government had the bodies of the pilots. Biologics came with some of the recoveries, he answered. Non-human ones, and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge who were still on the program. It was other people's word, and she pushed on it. What kind of evidence was it? Video? Photos? Someone who'd seen it? That part would have to wait for a room behind closed doors. The specific documentation I would have to talk to you in a skiff about. Another member tried a different way in, through satellite pictures. Going through that kind of imagery had been one of Grush's main jobs, and there were cases he couldn't explain, and he's got a degree in physics. Pictures of a crash site were where he stopped. I cannot discuss that in an open session. Three of the members asking questions had already been turned away at an Air Force base once, looking for answers of their own. They didn't get this answer either. The next day, the man who ran the Pentagon's own UFO office went after him in public. He wrote that the hearing had been insulting to the people who worked for him and that the central source of the allegations had refused to talk to his office. But another part of the government had already listened. Grush had filed a formal complaint a year before that hearing with the inspector general who watches over America's intelligence agency. He told Congress he'd filed it because military and intelligence officials with real credentials had told him the government was running something on this behind Congress's back. There were more than 40 of those witnesses, interviewed over four years. He knew the exact locations. The inspector general got them. Some went to Congress's intelligence committees, and he'd had some of the people with first-hand knowledge file their own protected statements. The Inspector General found his complaint credible and urgent two months later. One office called the complaint credible, the other called the hearing insulting, and neither of them showed anybody what was behind it. Coming forward had a price. He testified that he knew of reprisals being planned against him and against colleagues, and that yes, personally, he had feared for his life over this. He said he knew personally of people who'd been harmed to keep it covered up. And then came the hardest question of the day. Had anyone been murdered? All he would say was that he had to be careful with that question and that he'd sent the people who knew to the right authorities. He says that while he was preparing that complaint, Senate staff pulled him into a closed meeting and named a couple of people who had wanted him dead. And I'm sitting there in Senate chambers and I'm hearing this and I won't get into all the details in a lot. I heard, like, you know, all the details on that, and I don't want to, like, burn my sources. And I just remember how upset the Senate staff was. And to the point where, you know, a particular staffer who's very senior went to his office and got some whiskey. And, you know, all of them started drinking in the skiff because it's like everybody was afraid. Like, are they serious? Like, they literally were thinking about killing ******* Dave? And I found out that there was a kibosh to that. That's a longer story for some day if I could ever, you know, discuss the whole the whole history. That's his account of a room full of Senate staff drinking because somebody had considered killing him. In his telling, he'd been told of a crash retrieval program going back decades and refused access when he asked for it. He left government the next spring, two months before his story went public. Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots. And believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true. The story broke that June, and the Pentagon said its investigators had found no verifiable information to back any of it. He raised his hand anyway seven weeks later and said he was speaking to the facts as he'd been told them. The Pentagon answered him in writing less than eight months after the hearing. the report from its UFO office went through every government UFO investigation back to the end of the Second World War. It found no empirical evidence that anyone had been reverse engineering alien technology. It traced the whole story in large part to circular reporting a group of people who believe it repeating each other not one person it interviewed had been approved for access or had worked on these programs so it decided none of them knew anything firsthand In the middle of that report, his own words turn up. Some of the people the office interviewed had told it about a program called Kona Blue, which they described as a secret compartment built to cover up the retrieval of non-human biologics. Kona Blue was real, as far as it went. Somebody had proposed it. Its backers wanted the records, the files, the photographs, and the physical samples. It was never approved, never stood up, and the report stressed that no extraterrestrial craft or bodies were ever collected. That material was only assumed to exist. The report came out two and a half years before Grush sat across from Joe Rogan and described what was on his screen. In his version, the bodies didn't stay at the crash site. And then they had these things. So what is your understanding of what happens to these bodies? Oh, they're kept for analysis. And how do they keep them? They freeze them? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the exact process. I'm not a biologist, but they do put it in some sort of preservation status. So, yeah. Kept and preserved, which is exactly what that report says nobody ever did. And it wasn't the first time Grush had moved his own line. Last November on national television, an anchor asked him whether the non-human pilots he'd talked about were something he'd seen in the intelligence with his own eyes. Yes, it was beyond oral testimony. He'd had partial access to the data and read the intelligence reports himself. Were there pictures? Yes, there were. Under oath, it had been other people's assessment. Now, it was his. He told the anchor it's uncomfortable to talk about, even for somebody who has seen it, because it's so far outside a normal person's view of the world. The Pentagon's UFO office hadn't found one person who'd seen anything firsthand. Grush says he knows people who did. My biggest regret was not getting access to the biological assessment reports and stuff like that. I was getting enough spears thrown my way, and I was in literal danger, so I unfortunately wasn't able to get access to that stuff. Have you talked to anybody who did get access to it? Not on that side of the program in terms of the scientists analyzing the bodies, no. I know people that are good friends of mine that were on retrievals and saw them as well in person. And once again, I'm comparing, like, did it look like this? Did it look like this? Did this happen? Was it this type of craft? Do they vary in terms of what they saw? Yes. And some of my colleagues saw them alive as well. Alive on some of the retrievals, by his account. But this February, a former president went on a podcast and said they weren't being kept in Area 51. Aliens are real, Barack Obama said, but he hadn't seen them. He added that there was no underground facility unless there was an enormous conspiracy and they'd hidden it from the president. Donald Trump accused him of giving away classified information. In a post, he said he would be directing the Secretary of War to begin identifying and releasing the government's files on alien and extraterrestrial life. That was a Thursday, the 19th of February. A president had said he'd have the Pentagon open the drawers. Eight days later, on the morning of the 27th, a retired Air Force Major General named Neil McCasland was at home in Albuquerque. For more than two years, he'd commanded the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright-Patterson. A repairman saw him around 10. His wife went out, came back after noon, and he was gone. He'd left his phone in the house, his prescription glasses too, and his wearable devices. She reported him missing at seven minutes past three. Searchers brought dogs and drones and flew a helicopter with infrared cameras at night, hoping to pick up his body heat. But the warm spring lit up the whole mountain like a candle. Unfortunately, we have one of the warmest springs we've had in years, and the imagery coming off of the flare, the mountain is... A gray Air Force sweatshirt turned up about a mile and a quarter from the house, and it hasn't been confirmed as his. They knocked on more than 700 doors. The investigators hadn't ruled anything out, but they had nothing pointing to foul play either. Nobody has found him in the seven months since. What Grush can't get past is what wasn't in the house. you know, one of his firearms was missing. It's like very weird. The sheriff's list of what was missing had a .38 revolver on it, a leather holster, his wallet, and a red backpack. The general stayed gone, and the drawers the president had promised to open stayed shut, and by the end of March, not a single file had come out. So one of the members who'd been turned away at that airbase, Ana Paulina Luna, sent the Pentagon a letter demanding 46 specific video clips by the 14th of April. The 14th came and the clips didn't. It appears that someone did not pass the letter to the appropriate authorities, she said. How convenient. The White House moved faster on the missing than on the film. Three days after her deadline, it put McCaslin's name on a list of scientists and others who had died or gone missing and put the FBI on all of them together. No stone will be unturned in this effort. The president said he hoped it was random. Well, I hope it's random, But we're going to know in the next week and a half. One journalist who covers this beat went through the 14 names being passed around as one cluster and called most of it a red herring. He found only one, maybe two of them with even a relatively strong claimed link to UFOs. Matthew Sullivan and Neil McCasland. So in the same week, the government was looking for a general it couldn't find and being asked for video it wouldn't hand over. The files came out anyway. On the 8th of May, the Pentagon posted its first batch. More than 160 files, military reports, witness interviews. It said the public could ultimately make up their own minds. That first day alone would have filled a moving box. There had been six releases by the middle of September, and you could read the summary of every one of them and never meet a recovered body. But Grush had said more than all of them, out loud. He sat in a congressional office in June, before a press conference at the Capitol, with the people who'd be standing next to him, and he told them something. A documentary filmmaker who was in the room says it left everyone speechless and drew the oxygen out of the room. You could have heard a pin drop. The filmmaker went back to him for permission to repeat it. No, Grush told him, but I will be addressing it very soon. The filmmaker went on air and said Grush had seen evidence that would leave people slack-jawed and that the President of the United States needed to hear it. I took an oath as an Air Force officer swearing to... What he did say on the 9th of June, he read off a page. In his official duties, he'd been exposed to intelligence on other countries recovering these objects, to what those countries thought of America's own program, and to US-held audio-visual information on the recovered vehicles and the associated biological material. That put film and bodies in the same statement, read into a microphone. He went further in an interview a few days later and said he'd had access to crash retrieval photos himself and had seen the recovered vehicles. We're watching every file the Pentagon releases. If you want to see the one with this film in it, subscribe. The president had gone a step further by July. He directed the Pentagon and the intelligence agencies to let former employees and contractors come forward. Officials were careful to say it wasn't a declassification order. The Pentagon made it formal on the 14th of September. Anyone who talks to its new UFO team can now do it without the penalties in the secrecy agreements they signed, the non-disclosure forms and the special access agreements. It only covers that team, but that's the team collecting all of it to review and maybe declassify. Every service member, civilian and contractor who ever had access could walk in and say what they'd seen without breaking the promise that had kept them quiet, including whoever held that camera. Grush expects the film to come out one day. now like you could show a video but people are going to be like oh well that's just the U.S. government ******* with us and you're going to have to of course curate a wheel out literally like you know put in the Udvar-Hazy Center, the Smithsonian and then give the biological samples to Eric Weinstein who I know he wants it and for him it ends with the physical evidence behind glass in a museum but one of the men who could have come forward never got the chance Matthew Sullivan was 39 when he was found dead at his home in Falls Church, Virginia, two years ago, in May. The medical examiner ruled it an accidental overdose, alcohol, an anti-anxiety drug, a muscle relaxant, and an antidepressant. He'd been due to sit down with members of Congress within weeks. The interview never happened. A commentator who follows the case called him one of the key witnesses behind the complaint the Inspector General found credible and urgent. The journalist who called the rest of that list a red herring made an exception for this one. He's gravely concerned it was a murder, and that's certainly what Grush thinks. Grush knew him by his call sign. And it's an open investigation, so I won't get into all the gory detail in my assessments. I mean, it's binary. It's either a very tragic thing, either self-harm or otherwise, or it was something else. And my friend, his name's Matthew Sullivan, callsign Quake in the Air Force. Him and I were on active duty together. He was on the program and he was one of my sources. And I once again, I don't name people, but like he unfortunately has passed. So I want to make that clear. A congressman's office called the FBI about Sullivan this April because of the timing. In a letter to the FBI's director, it said the sudden and suspicious circumstances raised significant concerns about potential foul play, which leaves Grush with the film. You got to see what? Yeah. So I got to be a little vague only because I want to protect the sources because it may indicate a specific activity or operation. And these people were very patriotic and they were just dead cadavers in, you know, on the ground because it was a retrieval activity. You saw them physically or you saw video of them? Video. Video. So you saw a dead cadaver that was at a crash? Yes. So they filmed the crash and they filmed these cadavers. How old is this footage? I don't want to say. It's contemporary. It's contemporary. Yeah, but I don't want to reveal a particular operation because it narrows it down. He won't say which retrieval, only that it's recent. The picture itself is clear. In the film, as he describes it, a camera moves across the site while people work, and the bodies just pass through the frame. Rogan said they didn't even focus on the bodies, because people had a job to do. Grush calls it a pan. He counted three or four, and he doesn't know how many there were in total. All of them had long hair, as far as he could recall. Rogan asked what they were wearing. It looked like something form-fitting to Grush, but he didn't get a good look. Spandex? Honestly, he didn't know. He says he sat on that film for years before he'd talk about it, because in an age of fakes, he wanted to be sure it wasn't one. He checked it through other sources and methods to make sure no part of the government was feeding it to him. There's one man he ties to what those bodies looked like, and it's the general who walked out of his house. Tom DeLonge, who McCasland advised on his UFO projects, sent an email about Roswell 10 years ago. His email said that when Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and that General McCasland had run that exact laboratory until a couple of years before. McCasland's wife posted in March that there had been no indication whatsoever of where he might be. Then she answered the rumors. Yes, he'd advised DeLong, unpaid. That connection was no reason for anyone to take him. And he did not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from the Roswell crash stored at Wright-Patt. Grush says the general's own words fit what he saw on that ground. What did it look like? Human. Looking. How human? Very. Like, looked like a human or looked similar to a human? Very, very beautiful. Beautiful? What color was the skin? Bluish white. Like Avatar? Super close? No, no, no, no, no. Like someone who drowned? Like a pale sort of albino. According to Grush, the general always told DeLong to think of the Greek gods, and in February he walked out of his house and nobody has seen him since.