Cosmologist Brian Keating takes on the viral "NASA destroyed the moon technology" clip —blows Shawn Ryan's mind and dismantles the Van Allen belt conspiracy while he's at it.
We cover: - Why "we destroyed the technology" from an astronaut isn't the same as a scientific answer - Why the Van Allen radiation belts aren't the death trap moon-landing skeptics claim - Why doing something once doesn't guarantee you can do it again (the Concorde problem) - The real Cold War economics and politics behind why we stopped going - Why space law is now the fastest-growing legal frontier on Earth.
"Just because a belt exists doesn't mean there's not a trajectory that's totally safe."
Timestamps: 0:00 – "We Destroyed the Technology" — True or Spin? 1:06 – How Government Lies Fuel Moon Landing Doubt 2:18 – Skepticism vs. Starting With a Conclusion 4:22 – The Van Allen Belt Myth, Debunked 5:12 – Why an Asteroid Belt Won't Destroy Your Ship 11:06 – Why Astronauts Aren't the Right Experts to Ask 12:50 – The Four-Minute Mile Argument for Going Back 14:03 – Why Space Law Is Booming Right Now
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This discussion examines the validity of the moon landings, contrasting government distrust with scientific evidence. It addresses common conspiracy theories, the nature of scientific inquiry, and the geopolitical reasons why humanity paused its lunar exploration before the current renewed interest in space expansion and strategic lunar competition.
Here is the NASA guy. Go ahead and hit play. Let me know what you think.
I'd go to the moon in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore.
We used to, but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again.
Is an astronaut the right person to ask this question about the technology?
But once you do a thing, do you need to do it again?
Now we're wondering if we ******* landed on the moon because a lot of lies have come out of the
government. You're a scientist. You understand how to sift through all this data. You've spent
many, many years studying all the things that it takes to know about landing on the moon.
I'm a Navy SEAL. I spent those years fighting a ******* war. You know what I mean?
So what I'm saying is you're looking at straight facts and the rest of us are looking at contexts.
And when you add in the context and you see a government that continuously lies to its
******* citizens, citizens are no longer going to believe the government.
I guess is a question.
Then all these conspiracies start to happen and distrust,
and then they start digging into everything. What were you saying about Candace?
So Candace, what I'm saying about Candace is that the America firsters and the American
patriots and so forth, and I'm not questioning her love of America or whatever, just saying
if this is the greatest accomplishment that a human being has ever made, and it happens to
come from the country that you profess your love for and allegiance to as I do and as you do,
it doesn't mean they're flawless. I mean, who's flawless, right? I mean,
who do you agree with 100% of the time? I'll say my wife, right? But that's about it, right?
Sometimes you contradict yourself. I contradict myself.
You agree with your wife 100% of the time? That's bullshit.
Honey, if you're watching, you know what I did? I made her mad the other day. I said,
honey, whenever I'm driving you around, I got to turn off the voice-activated directions on the
GPS. She's like, oh, that's so romantic. You want to listen to me? I'm like, no,
I don't want two women yelling at me while I'm in the car. No. So you don't agree with everybody,
right? You don't even agree with yourself. I reserve the right to be wrong all the time,
and in fact, that's the best thing a scientist should do. We should have the freaking balls to
say when we're wrong, not just when we're right. From the standpoint of having skepticism of your
government and whatnot, you always have to ask the question qui bono, who benefits from it,
right? Who would benefit from the moon landing not occurring is a question. You can ask that
question. You can also say, what are the downstream tangible benefits from doing that
work and landing on the moon? You can ask, what were the technological impediments?
But if you start with a hypothesis, it's like an atheist. He says, I'm going to start with
a hypothesis. God doesn't exist, Sean. And you have the burden of proof to prove to me
that God exists or doesn't exist, right? That's not approaching things scientifically.
There's a term in that, it's called apologetics. You start with a conclusion, you reason towards
the conclusion based on the best available data, but you're not going to refute God,
like William Lane Craig or Barron, the Catholic priest, I'm blanking on his name. I think his
Barron is the last name, Robert Barron. They're not going to come to a conclusion that disproves
God, right? Let's just be honest. That's not necessarily what their focus is going to be on,
right? But they're going to give explanations why God is a more plausible hypothesis than anything
else. So there's purely scientific reasons you can debate what happened when we went to the moon.
How come we didn't go back? I think I gave some credibility to the argument that just because
you do something once, it doesn't necessarily make it easier to do it twice. Like a Piers Morgan
on his show, to give him credit, to Bart Sibrel, he said, I flew on the Concorde in 2001, and I
haven't been on a Concorde since. How come there's no frickin' Mach 2 transportation right now? How
come that's not probably ever going to happen again? How did we go back? That was built in 1962,
the Concorde. It was before the Apollo landing. We can't do that now. It's an argument that sounds
good to people that really might come into a conversation with a predisposition. And that's
fine for a person who's not maybe wanting to portray themselves as being a scientist.
You're not a scientist. AJ's not a scientist. But there's one more thing about the Van Allen
belts, which is the other thing that she, Candace Owens, really got from this guy, Bart Sibrel.
And then I think AJ kind of got this too. So there's this radiation belt that surrounds the
Earth. And it's called the Van Allen belts. It is supposedly this impenetrable, instantly fatal
trajectory. No person can get through it. And there's no way to get to the Moon without going
through these belts, right? I mean, it surrounds the Earth. So that's like saying, let's say you
wanted to land on Saturn, right? For whatever reason, Sean's deciding, we're taking the podcast
on the road, we're going to Saturn, right? Saturn has this ring system around it. It's like a belt
around it, right? So if you're going to land on Saturn, fine. You probably won't take the
trajectory that goes right through the ring system, right? Just because a belt exists doesn't
mean that there's not a symmetrical trajectory that you can go through. It's totally safe,
right? The asteroid belt. You think about the asteroid belt. You shoot a spaceship through the
asteroid belt, you're going to get destroyed. No, you won't. If you shot in any direction,
you take any trajectory you want, and you'll go out to the edge of the solar system, there's almost
a 0% chance you'll hit anything, even though you kind of depict it as an asteroid belt.
The Van Allen belts are like that. They're highly concentrated in certain regions.
There's two different belts, an inner belt and an outer belt. They mainly go around the equator.
The launches to the moon go around the pole. So there's no danger, there's no exposure to it. We
know how to do it. Satellites go through it all the time, and anyone who's ever seen Aurora knows
about it. It's not dangerous, it's not fatal. It happens to be about the equivalent of two or
three chest x-rays, which you and I get every year, every couple of years, right?
It did bring one thing in here, because you gave me a little ---- for saying the NASA guy.
So here is the NASA guy. Go ahead and hit play. Let me know what you think.
Or we used to, but we are.
All right.
It sounds stupid to you.
So that was, what's this guy's name?
Don Pettit, a NASA astronaut.
Okay. So I sounded like an idiot because I didn't know his name or what he was,
so I had to go find it and show it to you. So what is your take on that? I'm just curious.
So no disrespect to Don, again, more courageous than I'll ever be, you know, launch on top of a
60,000 tons of TNT equivalent and risk your life and do everything that he did.
So the one thing that's more complicated than physics is psychology, is the human mind. So
I'm not going to speculate what he meant by it. I'll just say the technology can't be destroyed,
right? Technology means a lot of things. It means the physical rockets. Do we have Apollo,
Saturn V boosters anymore? No. So we don't have those. Did we destroy them? Yeah. I mean,
I've got a 50 cal bullet that my brother-in-law, Jim Brewer, got me and I use it as a bottle
opener. Is it destroyed? Yeah, it's destroyed. It has a hole in it and the gunpowder has been
taken out and it's not alive around, right? So do we destroy the know-how on how to do it?
That's the way I take that, is they destroyed the know-how. They destroyed the blueprint.
Who gives a ---- about the ******* booster or whatever or the rocket or whatever it is?
We can build it again. It is true, right.
I don't think that that's- That's what everybody's doing with these autonomous
systems right now. They're building disposable units that can be very cheaply and easily
recreated. I collect aviation antique artifacts. I have a B-17 propeller in my hangar in San Diego
where I keep my plane and this thing is amazing. There's zero chance that we could ever get that
to work. We could ever reconstruct a B-17 from scrap. There are a couple of B-17s flying. I
think there's three left or something like that. Again, if we had an infinite amount of money,
infinite amount of money, do you think that Elon or do you think that our greatest engineers and
scientists couldn't reassemble and build a P-38 or a B-17? Of course we could, but you have to ask,
what's the purpose of that? We have been there. We have done that. I actually think there's a
stronger key. What's the purpose of that?
What's the purpose of rebuilding- I don't know. What was the purpose of
coming to North America again? What was the purpose?
So we are- To settle new ******* land,
to expand an empire. What would the purpose of going to the moon be? I don't know,
but claim the ******* moon. That's true.
How do we know there's the ---- up there that we don't need?
Same with Antarctica. Why do we go to Antarctica?
I interviewed this guy, Steve Quast, and helium-3. He's talking about we need helium-3. It's going
to be great for energy. Can't remember everything about the conversation, but you know what I mean?
Why aren't we going up there and getting ******* helium-3?
Sure.
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As the scientists are doing a very shitty job of explaining why the **** we haven't
been back to the moon. To pea brains like me.
A, you're not a pea brain. B, my job is to answer questions. And I get paid to answer
questions, right? I'm a teacher. At heart, I'm a scientist, right? And scientists answer questions.
I'm a professor. I'm a teacher. When they say something like that, there's different
reads to saying that. Like, where's the car to your 16-year-old? Oh, I destroyed it. It's
destroyed. Is it destroyed? Is it beyond the laws of physics to reconstruct it?
Is an astronaut the right person to ask this question about the technology? Do you know the
astronauts have almost no knowledge of the engineering and the building of it? Some of
them weren't even pilots, right? So that's why I kind of asked you before. Is my lack
of domain expertise in the operator, special teams, and Navy aviators, does that preclude
me from being able to ask questions that might be uncomfortable for people that believe things
that they've seen that I don't believe there's evidence at the scientific evidentiary level for?
So that one clip, it doesn't shake me. It doesn't frustrate me. It doesn't make me feel like,
well, I really got me. It makes me feel like this guy said something. I don't know the full
context, but I know for sure if we had wanted to, there's absolutely no reason not to. Now,
why didn't we want to? What was the Cold War? I mean, do we go back and keep bombing Japan
and bombing the Soviet Union? The Soviet Union collapsed, right? Part of it was because of the
vast military expenditures that we spent during the space race, and it was no longer sustainable
in the late 1980s, and then Berlin wouldn't fall. Do we fire a shot? No. I mean, not really. I mean,
you guys probably know. But once you do a thing, do you need to do it again? It's not like running
a marathon, right? Roger Bannister broke the four-minute mile 80 years ago, something like
that. People still want to break the four-minute mile, right? They keep getting better and better.
The second person to break the four-minute mile, do you know his name?
No, but I mean, yes, we do need to do it again. I mean, since the beginning of time,
it's been expansion of empires. The entire ******* planet's occupied now, except Antarctica,
so we got 800 people down there. Sell you some land there.
But you know what I mean? And what is the fastest-growing-
Is the world overpopulated? I don't think so. I think it's the opposite. I think we're running
low on population. If you took every person on Earth, Sean-
I guess what I'm saying is it's all been settled. I'm not talking about an overpopulation or
anything. I'm talking about expansion of empires, which humanity has been doing since the beginning
of time. The new expansion is space. I don't know the correct terminology, but it's been told to me
by several people on the show that the real estate law or whatever the **** you call it in space,
space law is the fastest-growing sector of legal or whatever.
Legal real estate. Space force was created. The first
provision of the US military created in 50 years, 60 years.
So you can't tell me that it's not important. And then Steve Quast is saying China is basically on
the moon. I don't know if that's correct or not, but that's what he says. But whatever,
somebody's going to ******* go there and somebody's going to claim it. Why haven't we been
back? It's been how long? 60 years maybe? If we had this conversation 46 days ago,
we could say we haven't been back to the moon in 56 years or whatever, but now we haven't.
We've been around the moon. We went farther than we went even during the Apollo mission.
We're testing this thing out. I always say, someone said to me, do you want to go on a SpaceX
rocket and go to the moon? I'm like, yeah, I want to be customer 10,000.
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