Our Interview Went Horrible With Steph De Lander | Inside The Ring

This is TMZ's Inside the Ring. Welcome to TMZ's Inside the Ring. I'm Branson Quirk and really excited today because tonight is HOG Wrestling. By the time this is aired, it's already happened. But I'm going tonight. I'm very excited. I have Step DeLander in here. And actually, I want to do it one more time because I want to give you a proper intro. Welcome to TMZ's Inside the Ring. I'm Branson Quirk and I'm really excited today because Los Angeles, we don't really always get a ton of wrestling out here. It's usually the Midwest or the East Coast. They get all the wrestling. So when we have a show come out, it's really exciting. HOG Wrestling is in town tonight. By the time this airs, it's already happened. But I'm really just pumped to ask her a few questions about her match tonight. And today, she is a powerhouse. She's an international force, quite frankly, the undisputed indie goddess. You know, there's the indie god, but I say indie goddess of professional wrestling from dominating the scene down under in Australia, to NXT, to completely taking over the global independent circuit and tearing it down in Ring of Honor. It's been amazing seeing her in Ring of Honor recently. She has spent the last year overcoming the odds. We had her on to talk about her departure from TNA. So it's amazing to have her back and talk about everything in between. Steph DeLander, welcome to TMZ again. How are you doing? Wow, what an intro. I know, I know. That was great. All day writing it. I was going to say, it sounds like you're prepared. I know. You know, it's funny. I'm always the most worried about the intro, as is every podcast. Not just here, like Smartless, for example, like all the other podcasts out there. Like Joe Rogan doesn't do an intro, you know? Does he need to, though? He doesn't need to. Right. And I've sometimes thought maybe we just don't do intros, but like you have so many accomplishments. How could I not do an intro? No, I like intros because I feel like it gives a good summary of the person. It builds everyone up. It's like a wrestling intro. You know what I mean? It gets you pumped up for what you're about to see. Exactly, exactly. Right, right. Well, welcome to LA again. You're back. LAX, how was the flight? Where'd you come from? I came from Orlando. The flight was fine. There was a guy sitting next to me who was like very chatty. Oh, no. Yeah. And it wasn't a nice chatty. It was like a creepy... Like at one point, I had my headphones on and he made me take my headphones off. And he was like, can I ask you a question? And I'm like, what? And he's like, what's the biggest life lesson that you've learned? I thought he was going to ask you about like a wrestling question. No. But he hit you with life questions. Yeah. And I looked at him, I said, look, this is too early in the day. My brain is not on. I have nothing to give you. You said that? Yeah. No way. And he goes, okay. And then I put my headphones on and pretended I was asleep for the next two hours. Oh, that sucks. Because what if you don't want to be asleep? I didn't. I can't sleep on planes. So then at one point, I didn't even have music on. I was just sitting there with headphones on, just like... Hoping he doesn't see you. Just hoping, bro. Yeah. And then all of a sudden you get like a tap on the shoulder and then it's over. If you're getting the tap on the shoulder. Yeah, it was... It's a long flight. Five and a half hours. That's what I mean. I'm like, if it's like a one... There was no one in between us. So it was just the two of us. And if it's like a one hour flight, whatever. But now I'm doing five and a half hours with a guy that's like sitting there thinking of the best questions he could ever ask a girl. Do you know what I mean? Like I felt like in his head, it was like this romantic, like, oh my God, once in a lifetime, what's the best question to ask a girl? And I'm sitting here being like, this is the worst experience of my life. And, and, and, you know, like, especially when there's no one in the middle seat, you think, okay, like that, that's our space, right? You know, for me personally, I'm afraid of flying. And the only time I'll talk to a passenger next to me is if I'm terrified of the flight and like, there's a storm around us or something. And like, I'll kind of confide in them, like, hey man, I'm pretty scared of flying. Like, how are you doing? You know, I've done that. I did that. My last flight into Minneapolis for SummerSlam, I, I, we had storms around us and I tapped on the guy next to me and I tapped, but I was like, Hey, towards the end. And I'm like, man, I'm like freaking out. Like, how are you doing? You know? Cause lightning was going off outside. So you're the guy that bothers people on planes when they don't want to be bothered. Okay. Just at the end, if I'm like, you know, like there's a good amount of turbulence right now. Like how, how are you doing? Cause they look fine. You're not scared. Yeah. How are you not scared? I think it's fun. Like when there's turbulence, I'm like, it's a rollercoaster. That's insane. That's, that's a great quality. It's a great quality to have. But, uh, anyways, welcome to LA. Thanks. I'm excited to be back. I love it here. How often do you come out here to the West coast? Do you like LA? Oh my God. I love LA. I love it. I mean, I don't like having to fly for five and a half hours, but there's just always something magical about it here. I don't know if it's cause it's like where dreams are made of or like whatever cliche ----, but I don't know. It's cool. There's like so many different cultures, so many different people, like the weather, you know, I just, I'm, I'm a California girl, you know, I'm not, I'm Australian, but in, you know, alternate universe, I am a California girl. But you live in Orlando. Yeah. Which is like the poor man's California, but not that poor because it's getting very expensive. Miami, you know, all of it, all of it is. Yeah. But there's this question I have for you about Florida that I always think about because most wrestlers, if not 85, 90% live in Florida. And, and what I want to know is like, is that like a pressure on wrestling talent, especially when you're not like maybe in something like WWE where you're traveling around constantly where it's like, is Florida like the home base? Like, does, do wrestlers need to live in Florida? Is that like the, is that a better scenario? That's actually such a good question. Um, because it's very true. There are so many wrestlers that live in Florida. The main reason, or one of the reasons why is because the performance center, the WWE PC is in Orlando. So when they sign people, you have to move to Orlando to start training there. That's why I ended up there. That's why most people end up there. Then by the time you get released, you're like, well, I own a house or I have an apartment that I live in. I have a car. I have a life, a partner, pets, dah, dah, dah, whatever else. I've uprooted from one place and I've set roots here. Am I really going to, after just getting fired from my job, you know, relocate again? You know what I mean? So a lot of people end up staying even when they leave WWE for whatever reason. But the main reason why they go there is because you literally have to, when you sign with WWE. But for an independent wrestler, it actually sucks living in Florida because, I mean, for me, I get flown places, so it's not a problem, but for, you know, a lower level talent that has to drive to the shows they go to, there's not many states that you can drive to and do shows in. Whereas if you lived in New York, you've got like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, like Connecticut, that whole northeast area, you can drive within four hours to a whole bunch of companies. If you live in the Midwest, like Chicago, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, that area, Tennessee, there's a whole bunch of shows there. Texas, you know what I mean? But if you're in Florida, there's only a couple of indie companies and they're not the big ones. So it's a crazy paradox because we have to move there. But then once you're independent, it's actually not ideal for a lot of people. Got you. And Matt Riddle told me that the property taxes are great over there compared to being over here. Yeah, they are. There are a splash of wrestlers that live in Los Angeles. And like some people, I go, like, why? Like, why would you, if I had, you know, a career that was like center ground wrestling, for example, I would do the same thing. I'd go live in Florida. I'd go live on the East Coast because it's closer, it seems to a lot, at least closer in flight terms to a lot of events around because the West Coast doesn't really get too much wrestling out here. But we have HOG wrestling tonight, right? So let's talk about HOG tonight. I know this has already happened by the time this has aired, but you're facing Shotzi tonight. So what's it like being with Shotzi tonight in the ring? Look, I have been a huge fan of Shotzi for years. Like when I was on the Indies seven, eight years ago in America, I thought we were both on the Indies. She wasn't even on TV yet. I thought she was incredible because who is this chick covered in tattoos with green hair and an army tank? Like, this is nuts. You know, so I was always a huge Shotzi fan. But I think she's letting it get to her head a little bit. You know, she's at a point in her career where she's done a lot. She's arguably done more than me as far as television wrestling. She had a very solid stint at WWE, but I really do feel like she is letting that get to her head. She is deciding what matches she's doing. Like our match tonight, it was supposed to be a wrestling match. It was supposed to be a straight up ding ding wrestling match. And then she decided that it was going to be a hardcore match. Like no one asked me about this. I'm not getting paid extra. This wasn't on the contract that I signed when I agreed to this, you know, and that honestly pisses me off. So I went from being a huge fan of Shotzi. I don't really respect her anymore. Like she's let it. It's the classic. I know it happens in Hollywood. It happens in wrestling. People start humble and then they get a bit of success and everything changes. And to me, Shotzi is the classic case of that. I mean, I got to stay impartial. So I'm just going to leave that there because I do like Shotzi. And I'm also afraid of Leo Rush. And she has some connection to him. And I don't want to mess with that world. Do you know what I mean? Black heart world that it gets a little. It's too close to Halloween for messing with that whole thing. Right. It's very close to Halloween. But you've been wrestling, by the way, in Ring of Honor recently. It's amazing seeing you in that. So what's been the biggest part of that that you really enjoy in terms of Ring of Honor compared to what you did in TNA before and other other companies, GCW and things like that? I mean, I have to say the best part is being back in the ring, you know, physically wrestling. It's incredible. It's what I wanted to do my whole life. It's what I've spent the last 10 years doing. And to have that almost taken away from you and be able to overcome, you know, a neck injury and come back from that and be back in the ring and not just back in the ring, but within a few months. I returned from my injury in April. By August, I'm on Ring of Honor pay-per-view. So I'm not just back in the ring. I'm on TV. I'm on pay-per-view. I'm wrestling world champions. I'm working for a new company like I have yet again, as I always do. I've exceeded all of my expectations and my goals. And the best thing for me about Ring of Honor is the creativity because I can come up with all sorts of stuff and I can let that bleed out into my matches. And I mean, you know, we were having a conversation before this interview and I'm sure you saw how excited I was and I saw how excited you were discussing ideas, right? That's my favorite part of this whole thing. So being able to come into something like Ring of Honor with a bunch of ideas for my matches and gimmick and storyline and whatever else, you know, I've only had a few matches there, but I can already see the way that it works. And I'm just so excited to get in there and work with a bunch of different people and be able to be creative with my art. When you were at TNA, was it a lot different? Like, was the creative freedom not as expanded as it is at a place like a Ring of Honor? Like, were you able to express yourself in that way? Let things bleed out in the ring? At TNA, I was allowed to be very creative as well. And a lot of that was, you know, I didn't wrestle much at TNA. For a majority of the time that I was there, I was injured, right? So I was very lucky that even though I was out, I was in a huge major storyline. I had a wedding, you know? So I was able to write my own wedding vows and basically like plan out a whole TV wedding. I did an engagement, you know what I mean? We had like so many, we were divorced because my husband actually went insane in real life and quit the company. So, and then I did later. But no, so there was actually for me so many moments where I was allowed to be really creative at TNA. I would say TNA was openly very creative too. I think WWE is a lot stricter with the way that things work. And that's for good reason, that's TV. You know what I mean? That's the biggest show on that scale. So I understand why there's different levels of, you know, restraints on things. But no, for me, I was allowed to be creative in TNA. I'm excited to be creative in Ring of Honor. That's kind of the part of it that I love the most. Amazing, amazing. By the way, can I ask, because the last time we spoke was about, you know, your departure from TNA. And we just spoke about Carlos at length and how they wouldn't clear you medically, but you just recently have been medically cleared now. And obviously you're back in the ring. How are you doing in terms of that? Are you and TNA good right now, would you say? Can you even talk about that? I mean, I can talk about whatever I want. Sure, I mean, yeah, you can. Would you like to speak about that relationship? I mean, at the moment, there is no relationship. You know, there is no communication. There has been no communication. Like the last communication there was, was me saying, send me my release papers right now. And I got them in an email. And that was that, you know, I've seen people that were high up in the company that I know were part of those decisions. I've seen them at shows and we just walk past each other. And I think it's because they don't want to have a conversation with me because they know how that's going to go. So, you know, there is no relationship at this point. That's not to say that I'll never go back to TNA again. You know, the way that wrestling is, is everyone ping pongs all over the place, you know? So I'm never going to sit here and say, I will never, ever, ever do this thing. But for right now, you know, I don't see that as an option in the near future. Again, things can change, but conversations would have to be had and I don't care to have them anytime soon. Well, thanks for telling me that. I did also want to ask about, you know, AEW because a lot of fans are just clamoring for you to be on AEW full-time, like just like a part of the whole Zeitgeist. And you did say recently on the Fightful podcast show that you may not be a free agent soon. You know, that might come to an end. Can you expand on that a little bit? Or is that something that you're just, yeah, people just have to kind of wait and see. I mean, people just have to kind of wait and see, you know? As of right now, I'm not contracted. I'm doing pay-per-appearance at Ring of Honor, which I've done at TNA. I've been doing it at Ring of Honor. They do that with a lot of talent. But yeah, I mean, when I said that, I still think that that is probably, you know, a reality at some point. You know, I'm not going to be a free agent forever. That's just the way that wrestling goes, you know? So again, who, what, where, when, how, and why, I don't really know. We're all just going to have to wait and see together. The women's division at AEW, obviously on fire. Is there anybody in that that you see and you would love to work with? Yeah, I mean, one of my closest friends, Lena Cross and Megan Bain, Divine Divin... They've got a great team with a name that is hard to say. Divine Dominion? Divine Dominion. Like the minions. Divine Dominion. There we go. Sure. Yeah, Lena and Megan, I would absolutely love to be... I mean, I've wrestled them both in singles matches before, and I have great chemistry with both of them. Persephone is another one. I think she's incredible. She's absolutely killing it. Chris Statlander, Willow, you know? I want to get in there with the big, beefy, meaty bitches, because I'm one of those, and I just want to hit them hard, and I want them to hit me hard, and I just know we can put bangers on. So yeah, there's quite a few. I know there's so many people I'm missing, you know what I mean? Because there's an endless rolodex of incredible female wrestlers that work for AEW and Ring of Honor. I'm just excited to have an entire talent pool of new women that I can work with. I'm very excited for that. Are Australian wrestlers just better? Yes. Yeah, I think so. Well, the thing is, Australia, by nature, we are on an island on the other side of the world. Different level of development. But also, you have to scratch and claw for even a crumb of an opportunity. You know what I mean? So there's no level of complacency. There's no opportunities that are given too soon. You have to work so much harder than everyone else just to even get a tryout or to get looked at. So I think because of that, that creates a different level of work ethic that you see in Australians, you see in people from the UK. It is harder to be a successful pro wrestler if you're not from the US, even just down to visas, you know? So if you really want it, you have to work even harder. And that hard work creates great wrestlers. I mean, obviously, you're a success story of that. How did you, or how do you think, or what led to that success of you getting out of Australia and getting in front of those US audiences and the right people? Like, how did that, how did that, what got you there? Honestly, I think the number one thing is because I'm insane. Okay. And that, no, legit, like I have ADHD real bad and I'm very delusional. So, you know, I had been training for like a month or two and I was 18 years old telling everyone that I'm going to get signed to WWE and I'm going to move to America and I didn't even know how to do a headlock. And everyone was like, are you sure? Like, I would do interviews like this and be like, yep, I'm going to make it. And they're like, okay. But I just always, the second I started, I was like, this ---- is so hard and it hurts and there's no money in it unless you make it. So I have to make it, make it, make it. And there was like no other option. I have not, in the last 10 years, I have, there's never been a second where I've wavered of like, maybe I won't. You know, it's just- You've never wanted, like, at least recently to do anything else. No, but I've not even ever thought that I wouldn't, you know what I mean? Like, even when I was two neck surgeries deep and I had my bosses telling me maybe I should hang it up. I was going, absolutely not, you know? So I think that just like insane level of determination and just delusional, like, dreams and goal setting. I think that is what got me there because I just, I would not take no for an answer. And whatever I had to do, as soon as I started training, I was like, all right, what's the next move? How do I get signed? I have to go to America. All right, how do I go to America? I need to wrestle in every state in Australia. Then I need to fly myself over there, get connections with the right people. Like, I flew myself over to America multiple times to go to the women's shows just to run around and get coffee for people and set up the ring. Like, not even to wrestle, just to be like, hi, I'm a wrestler, I'm Steph. You know, saved money up. I had three jobs. I saved money up all year to save like 10 grand and then I would just come over here and try to be seen, you know? So it was just this relentless, like, I will make it. And I think that above all else, just like the self belief is what did it. And the flip side of it, and I said this to my husband the other day, I think the biggest thing that kills most wrestlers potential of what they could be is a lack of self confidence. And I think when they don't believe in themselves enough, that is what stops them from getting to where they can go because there are so many incredible wrestlers, wrestlers so much better than me who have not been on TV or made good money or ever reached that level. And it's because the self doubt creeps in and they, whether it's subconsciously or not, hamper their own opportunities because getting out of your comfort zone is scary. You know? When did you realize that you had made it? Or at least you were on that path and it was starting for you. It was, I got a phone call. So I went over to America and I wrestled in America and I was on an indie show. It's a long story. I'm gonna keep it as short as I can. I was on an indie show. There was a WWE scout there. I wrestled in front of him and my match was dog ----. But I went up to him and I was like, hey, I'm Steph, introduce myself. He was like, as soon as you walked out, I was like, who the hell is this girl? Get my email address, blah, blah, blah. A few weeks later, I had emailed him a few times, hadn't heard back. My best friend, Indie Hartwell, she, on a random Wednesday at midnight, text me, hey, WWE just called me and offered me a job. And I was like, holy ----. I was like, he's on his phone right now. So I pulled my phone out, sent another email, put it down. And I was like, I'm not checking it till tomorrow. A minute later, ding. I was like, nah, dude. Checked my phone and I had an email from the talent scout. And he was like, hey, Steph, you're a great hire. As long as you have the right attitude, when can you come to the US or the UK for a tryout? And when I got that email, I was like- You were in Australia. I was in Australia, yeah. So I was like, if they're gonna fly me to the US or the UK for a tryout, as long as I don't absolutely ---- the bed, they're obviously very interested in me. They don't waste their time. Exactly, and that's a lot of money. That's thousands of dollars, you know what I mean? So yeah, I ran into my parents' bedroom in the middle of the night, woke them up, and we all just could not believe it. Because that was the moment where it was like, all right, we're on. There's no other option. There's nothing- Nothing you can compare it to. You literally can't compare it to anything. You know what I mean? It's so easy to get used to everything. Like, you know, you're at this level now and you've done everything. And it's like, I mean, not everything. You know what I mean, though. And people just kind of forget those moments where it's like, you're just happy to get that text for the tryout, you know? And it's so cool. I can't imagine the feeling. No, it's a feeling unlike anything else. And to be honest with you, I haven't felt it for a long time, but I did feel it when I knew I was getting added to the Ring of Honor pay-per-view. And that, yeah. And that, to me, makes me think, all right, we're onto something here. Like, we are on the right track. If 10 years in, I can still get those feelings of excitement about this, you know? And the fans see that too. Like, you see it, we see it too. Like, we see a Ring of Honor. You know what else we see? We see you on the main roster at AEW. We just do. That's what we want. I know you can't say anything, you know, but like, that's what we all want, you know? And Ring of Honor is just as amazing. Yeah. And we love seeing our favorite people work, you know? We love seeing people pop up all over the place. Sometimes it's better to see people pop up all over the place versus just one place. You can see them in different ways. Yeah. And that's how you get better as well, is doing as many different things as you can. By the way, wait, is that a tattoo on your neck? Yeah, it's new. Is that new? Yeah. It says my name, Steph. Wow. Okay, wait, that had to be really painful. To be honest with you, it was not painful at all, but I was just laying there and I was so nervous to move because it's like fine line and it's obviously in such a obvious spot that I was like, I don't want to **** it up. So it didn't hurt, but I was just like scared to move. What led to the inspiration to getting that? Well, like when I go to Starbucks, I don't have to give them my name. They can just go, hey, here. No, the inspiration was... It looks great, by the way. Thank you. It looks great. I love it. Similar to when I got the face tattoo, I feel like it was a new evolution of my career. You know what I mean? I left a company. I was returning from an injury. I was in a very like pivotal moment. And it was just like, yet again, another expression of like, this is me. This is who I am. Like, you will not forget my name. It's also personal branding. You know what I mean? Like, it sounds ridiculous, but it's like, this is all a part of my look. My next action figure will have Steph tattooed on its neck. How many other action figures have that? You know what I mean? So it's very evident. It's very... If a kid dresses as me for Halloween, do they know what they're doing? If someone's drawing a picture of me or if they're making me in like the Creator Wrestler, like if they're making an action figure of me, what's the look? It's the same as the bangs and the teeth gems and the piercings and all of that involved. It's the signature look. And that just felt like another part to add to it. And it stands out. And that's what matters at the end of the day. And then speaking also of like fans, you said something recently about biscuits and gravy that hurt me personally. I love biscuits and gravy. What gives? What do you like about it? I love biscuits in general. Do you like a good dry biscuit? No. Why would anyone want a dry biscuit? You ever put honey on it too? Have you even tried a biscuit? Some people don't like things, but then they... No, I have tried a biscuit. And I'm not one of those people... I don't hate biscuits. But like, it's okay if you put a bit of jam on it or like jam and cream or something. Okay, that's fine. It's like a scone from Australia slash the UK. I understand a biscuit. I don't understand a biscuit with gravy on top. What the ****? You ever go to a breakfast spot and they just do it just right and it's towered to like a mountain, gravy biscuits all over on top of each other. It's amazing. How does your stomach feel after that? Not great. How's your heart rate? Bad. Yes. I have a fast heart rate. And let's say, I think it doubles after a biscuit. Yeah. But it's good. It's very country. And I know you're from Australia and you may not under... Is that a popular dish over there in Australia? I had never seen it until I moved here. And my husband is a redneck. So he loves it. He absolutely loves it. Does he like eggs, scrambled eggs with it too? He loves... It's just a plate of slop. It's a plate of slop. I wouldn't feed it to my dogs, let alone eat it myself. Come on, that's insulting. It's disgusting. I don't get it. Okay. Well, agree to disagree, get some better taste because biscuits and gravy... I will stand on it. I don't give a ---- what any of these wrestling fans say or any of these rednecks say, you included. Okay. Biscuits and gravy sucks. All right. It has and it always will. Okay. All right. There you go. Case closed. Well, let's talk about something else that you do. Very successful. You could tell me if it's successful for you. OnlyFans, how is that going for you? It's very successful. It is a great avenue. It's a great way to be able to have passive income to support your lifestyle or whatever it is that you do. So yeah, it's been great for me. We're seeing more and more people run to the platform. You said you've been doing it four years now, right? So you were kind of like, in a way, in the beginning of when wrestlers were starting to do that wrestling talent. Do you consider yourself one of the pioneers of that? I mean, yeah, you could say I pioneered it. No, I didn't. I don't consider myself that. I think there's creators like Mandy Rose who are obviously very big in the space. I would say she has pioneered that. I'm not on her level as a creator. So I wouldn't say that I pioneered it. But timeline wise, I've been in the game for a while. So as far as that, then yeah, I was one of the first to start. Is it hard to balance both of these things, traveling, wrestling, and also posting content? Because that can be a full-time job itself. It's very hard. I'm wearing many different hats all the time. And it can be difficult. But you want to play hard, you have to work hard as well. What do you say to people that criticize wrestlers doing OnlyFans? Because that is a conversation. Focusing on wrestling, focusing on OnlyFans. Some people would say that it doesn't belong in the wrestling world. What do you have to say to people that say that? Well, I mean, who's to say what does and doesn't belong in the wrestling world? Sexuality has existed in wrestling since the beginning of time. I think why people get upset about it is because back in the day, it was men that were profiting off women's sexuality. And now women are profiting off their own sexuality. And I think that's the part that bothers men the most. Have you had to deal with that criticism while in any company or anything like that before where it was a problem? Or were they supportive of that? Obviously, at WWE, you can't do OnlyFans. Outside of that world. Outside of that world, I haven't had any issues from a company standpoint. I mean, I think the reality of that is if we want to have that conversation, then you can have a look at the numbers that this pulls in and we can talk about that. Because that is a huge amount of money to tell someone that they're not allowed to make. And you would have to match that monetarily. So I think that is a reason why so many girls are allowed to do it. Well, it's a good backup business to have in case something doesn't pan out. You can turn to OnlyFans. Have you ever considered just doing OnlyFans eventually? Like limit yourself to just doing that? No. I mean, some people do. And that's not a knock on them. That's great. But for me, I have a lot of dreams. I have a lot of things I want to do. And OnlyFans is just one part of that. Wrestling is my main dream. Okay, well, here's the thing here. I have a little bit of advice for you. You are dealing with some issues like you hurt your neck. And TNA didn't want to deal with that. So they kind of pushed you on your merry way. Would you say that maybe OnlyFans is the better way to do things? All right, first of all... Because, I mean, you're dealing with injuries. I'm not dealing. Why would you want to do both? I'm not dealing with injuries. I dealt with an injury. I went through it. I recovered from the injury. TNA didn't push me out. I left. Do you remember the whole interview that we did? I left. Well, yeah, well, that's what you said. But did I talk to TNA? Not necessarily. Did I get on the phone with Carlos? I didn't get on the phone with Carlos. So I don't know. I'm just taking your word for it. But from what I've seen, TNA wouldn't clear you medically. They wouldn't let you wrestle in the ring. And you've got this OnlyFans thing. It's like, well, why wouldn't you just do OnlyFans? Why would a wrestler want to keep risking their lives when they could just do OnlyFans? Let me tell you this. You know, everyone has a window in this life. I'll say men age like fine wine. You know, like our window's a little bit longer than women might have. The **** are you talking about? No, no. What I'm trying to say, and don't take me out of context here. What I'm trying to say is maybe you want to focus on OnlyFans now. Why do you care what I do? Why are you so concerned with my OnlyFans? I don't care necessarily. I could care less. But like, I hate to see someone waste their life. You hate to see someone waste their life? I hate to see someone waste their life. Sitting there in those glasses and that jacket, and you're telling me I'm wasting my life. What's wrong with the jacket? You know what? Okay, well, okay. For example, how old are you? How old are you? 29. How old are you? Okay, but- No, no, no, no. I'm 27. For example, you know, women, you know, once you hit those 30s, like things start going downhill. Do you know what they call it? They call it the end of the road, essentially. Once you cross that road, things start going downhill. Where did you get this bullshit information? You are literally pulling this out of your ******* ass. It is so disrespectful. You're going to sit there in those ******* jeans with those glasses on and that jacket, and you're going to tell me what I should do with my life? I'm just trying to help. Help with what? I think you should help yourself. Because with OnlyFans, you know, you're going to get to an age where you're going to start losing those subscribers. You are going to start losing those subscribers because- Right now you're talking like you're my top subscriber. There's going to be a better girl out there. There's going to be a younger Steph. How the **** did you get this job? I don't even understand how you got in this place. Am I being punked right now? Is this for real? I'm just like, I just get upset about it because I just, I just, I don't want to see you get hurt. And then, and then, and then, hey, you get hurt and you can't walk again or something happens. Like what, what, what if like your husband's like, like, I'm done. Like, I don't want to deal with this. And just walks out. You're going to bring my husband into this? I think it's a good topic. You're going to talk ---- about my husband, my family, my real life? I think it's an important topic. Do you know who the **** my husband is? You know what? Like, let's just end the interview. And yeah, I think I'm done. You can go, you can exit like you did in TNA. You can exit like you did in TNA. How about that? Just walked away from the company and forgot all about it. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. No worries. And maybe, and maybe, you know, and maybe you'll listen to what I had to say. You're a ******* piece of ----. You look like a ******* idiot. You got these stupid ******* glasses on this stupid ******* jacket, these tight, skinny jeans and ******* 2026. I don't know who dressed you. You look like a ******* toddler. You know what? You're a disrespectful piece of ----. Sam, end the recording. Sam, just end the recording. Sam, end the recording. It's time for you to go. Oh, I will go. I will go. Just turn it off. Oh, you want to talk ----? You want to keep talking ----? How about talk ---- about this, bitch? Talk ---- about this, you stupid ****. Get me out of this place. **** me and me. **** this guy. What am I even doing here?