TMZ Live - 8/12/26

Welcome to TMZ live, huge news in the Luigi Mangione case. We found out that the legal team on behalf of Luigi, they are negotiating and they are seriously negotiating now a plea deal. Not with the state, but with the feds and that is coming out of the blue. But when we explain this to you, it not only makes sense, but it's kind of brilliant, right? Because the state case is the one that is starting first. That's the one that's scheduled to start within the next couple of months. But the plea deal with the feds, well, we should just explain though, that the problem with the state case is what they really want to say if they have to go to trial with the state is that Luigi was so overwrought with anger over corporate greed and what was going on with health care that, yeah, he shouldn't have done what he did, but he did it because he was suffering from this extreme emotional disturbance. That's what we told you last month. That was something that they wanted to do. They decided not to do that because it would create a problem in the federal case. In the federal case, it's essentially admitting you're guilty and you don't have that defense available which mitigates the crime. So they were boxed in. So what we found out is they are secretly negotiating, and it's very secret, with the feds and what they're trying to do, we'll explain, is that they may reach a plea deal where he actually pleads guilty to murder. You would think, what kind of a plea deal is that? Because that's what he's charged with. But they would make it an open plea, which means that they wouldn't agree to any possible sentencing. And they'd leave it up to the judge. But they would have an opportunity, there would be an extensive hearing with the judge where they could present what they would describe as mitigating circumstances to the judge in hopes of getting a lesser sentence. And the mitigating circumstances are exactly what they would have done in a state case, which is this extreme emotional defense argument that is not available at trial in the federal case. But in sentencing, you can do it. So the hope would be that he gets something less than life in prison. But I don't even think that's even the better part of this deal for him, if they actually strike this plea deal. The better part is that if there is a resolution of a federal case, and then New York State wants to then try him for the same offense, murder, there is legal precedent that that constitutes double jeopardy. And if the feds go first, the state cannot prosecute him. If the plea deal with the feds happens first, and there's no state trial. That's the brilliant part. This is the brilliance of it. And it's not old law. This is Paul Manafort had this exact thing happen to him. He was convicted in federal court in 2019. The state then in New York, no less, which is where Luigi is, tried to prosecute him. And a judge said, absolutely not. This violates double jeopardy. It was appealed and upheld on appeal. So this is pretty strong law that he will not be able to be subject to the state prosecution if he resolves the federal prosecution. What we're essentially saying is if they strike this plea deal, there will be no trials. I think that's the. There will be no trial. That's right. But that's the brilliant part. Now, it's possible that the state decides to go forward and says it doesn't buy this Manafort analogy, but then it opens up. You can do the extreme emotional disturbance. There's no risk. The federal case is over. So you're not a case. It's over. It's been resolved already. I'm worried, though, that in federal court, if he goes in on an open sentence and he raises all this health care, I hate the health care system. I hate corporate greed. Mitigating circumstances. You're in front of a very sober, professional federal judge who may not be very sympathetic to these types of arguments. And life in prison will be on the table right there. Right. And he's going in open, blind, without a recommendation from the prosecutor. Here's the problem. Here's here's the thing. Sometimes you are left with no good options and they don't have a lot of good options in this case. You're taking the best worst option. The feds have enormous leverage to say it's got to be open. You're rolling the dice. But give me a better option for Luigi Mangione than this. No, I think you're exactly right. This is the best play that they have. These are the cards they're dealt and this is the play they should make. But I do think there's a lot of risk in front of a federal court judge, unless you get someone very progressive like Judge Subramanian or someone who is younger and hipper and maybe solicitous to these arguments. I don't know. And, you know, you got a guy in his 20s who has a diary, which, you know, when you look at the diary, the prosecution in the state case really wants to use this diary to show premeditation. But it also shows his anger toward the health care system. And it's almost like, I mean, this is not exactly it, but it's like a temporary insanity defense. It's like a diminished capacity defense that you are so crazed that you do something that is wrong. But there are reasons you did it that don't justify it, but they mitigate. If they pull this off, legally speaking, it is a brilliant move because I was just thinking the other day when he had his hearing and I was thinking in the morning, how in the world do they get around one, everything in the diary and two, and maybe I have that backwards, the video, the video of him walking up and actually opening fire and killing Brian Thompson? Like how do you get around that? You don't. You can't. And so like you said, you're left with the best worst option. It's almost like, and I'm not trying to diminish this, like a cartoon where you see like the Wile E. Coyote kind of trapping the Roadrunner and somehow the Roadrunner gets away. That's right. And the Roadrunner always gets away, though, right? He's not going to get away. He is going to go to prison. He's going to go to prison. The judge, whatever that open sentence is, he's going to go to prison. I think likely. The last thing I worry about is 30 years is less than life. Sure. And if what you're looking at is I'm kind of trapped with life at best, right? And if I can get less than one, even if the judge gives you life, I was going to get it anyway. Right. But that's hanging over you. Even if you're successful in your state court trial, let's say that goes forward. You have your extreme emotional disturbance. You win that case. You've already been sentenced to life in prison in the federal case. So if you're a loser at the end of the day, regardless, well, no, you're not a loser. You're not behind the game. Even if the judge sentences you to life, you're not behind because you thought that was your best case scenario. Anyway, that's right. And the state's not going to prosecute. Yes. Yeah. I drink Atlanta. I think that, you know, given the extraordinary amount of media surrounding around this case, this may be the best option for him is to take this plea. You know, the idea is that this case has gained so much cultural significance. And while he was someone who addressed a grievance that's real to a lot of Americans, we cannot condone murder. And at this point, a plea agreement may be his most legitimate opportunity to gain some sense of normalcy of whatever his life may look like at this time. Yeah. It's. Wow. Pretty amazing. Quite a twist. The Lakers have new owners for the second time. It was just a year ago that the team was sold for, at that point, 10 billion. And now I should just say they didn't have a great season this time. So you would think you have to let go of that. That doesn't matter. All I'm saying is in a free market society, if somebody buys it for 10 million a year ago and they don't have a great season, they should get nine or 10 billion a little bit knocked off. A little bit knocked off. Yeah. They didn't win a championship. Right. Yeah. But. But instead, you now have Bob Iger and. Former head of Disney. By the way, just got out of Disney and now has decided he wants to get into the NBA. So he and Josh Kushner, yes, the brother of Jared Kushner, president's son-in-law, Josh and Bob Iger have gone in for 12.5 billion to buy the Lakers. They are the majority owners. There are minority owners, but they own most of the team, almost 80%. And that is a huge number, but it's the Lakers. There's a name for that kind of money that Bob Iger has probably used. Yes. Definitely. He walked away from Disney with that money. What am I going to do with all this money? Oh, I know what I'll do. I'll buy the Lakers. They were actually trying to buy an expansion or bring an expansion team to Vegas. And then they, like, about face and quickly put in this bid over the weekend. And they just, they blew the current owners away. And they deal. Because the current owners were like, oh, we can make two billion in a year. There are people watching, I think that are like-minded with me. Explain. Explain what? Really? I don't think there are. What? That they had a bad year? And by the way, if there are anyone. Well, I think that's too short-sighted. Let us know if there are. That's too short-sighted. Because it's not about how many games they won or lost last year. You're also overstating how bad the season was. They made the playoffs. LeBron left, sure. But the Lakers. LeBron left, sure. LeBron left is a big deal. It's not a big deal. He's old at this point. He's a 40-year-old basketball player. And who's their star right now? Luka Doncic. Okay, Luka's a big star. Luka's a big star. Yeah. But still, it's like, you know, Los Angeles fans are fair-weathered fans. Yeah. And, and when they don't do well, they don't fill the stadiums. When they don't fill the stadiums, they don't make money. Yeah. Yet, it doesn't matter. Does anybody out there agree with this guy? Please tell me no. They're saying everything has a price. Right. But this is ridiculous. $12.5 billion for a team that hasn't won a championship in a long time. They won a championship like five years ago. Six years ago. What have you done for me lately? The Knicks just went 53 years without winning one. Yeah. And the Knicks would still sell, even before they won the championship, the Knicks would still sell for a number that would blow your mind. More than the Lakers? No, it wouldn't be more than the Lakers. Yeah, I think just under. Yeah. Well, but just under. They're the ones that won the last championship. Yeah. Even if you sold the Knicks today, it wouldn't sell for as much as the Lakers. Yeah. Because it's not about what you did last year or even the year before. It's over time. What is your franchise? You're talking about resting on your laurels. Earl from Georgia. Yeah, I hear everything you guys are saying about the Lakers, but y'all have to understand. Earl, Earl, I feel like you're a little biased for this subject. I just sensed there's some bias here, but go ahead. No, no, no. We're good. Bias, but logical. The Lakers are, they're a prestigious organization. You're not paying for last year, this year, before that. You're paying for the history of the Lakers. And I think us fans, honestly, we're kind of tired of just being pushed around, man. We need ownership to lock us in and build us back to being a championship contender. Yeah, yeah. But Earl, what they're going to do is they're going to raise ticket prices because they got to make the money back. Earl is exactly why you paid $12.5 billion. Earl is in Georgia, and he has a Lakers poster and a Lakers hat. How much money did that hat cost you? Probably like $35. Do you know how many $35 hats you're going to have to get to get to $12.5 billion? And us Lakers fans, if you bring us a championship, we'll buy as many hats as you want. Well, the news is out, Congresswoman AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is single. There are suitors, and the first of them to step forward, Clavicular himself, welcome to TMZ Live. Obviously, she's quite a beautiful congresswoman, but I kind of just like how she's got that fiery energy to her. Be right back. Well, the news is out, Congresswoman AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is single. We confirmed that she has indeed broken up with her longtime boyfriend. In fact, they were engaged at a point. Riley Roberts, and they are not together. There's no word on what happened and why they broke up, but we kind of suspected something was up when she announced she was freezing her eggs, and there was no mention of Riley, and she wasn't freezing embryos, just her eggs. Kind of made sense. Yes. She is a very eligible bachelorette, I would say. For sure. So, with a real future. And so, there are suitors. There are suitors. And the first of them to step forward happened when we put our post on X about her breakup, and in the comments, one clavicular jumped in to say, well, here's how he worded it on his stream. They're not. Oh, my God. I can literally, I can fix her. I can fix her. Most definitely. I need AOC and I need her yesterday. She just got divorced from her fiance. Her fiance was kind of a sell. I'm not going to lie. I doubt they even, you know, were physical or anything, but I'll marry her. I'll marry her, dude. Okay, so. Yeah. We are going to bring in now the man who put Luxemaxing on the map. Clavicular himself. Welcome to TMZ Live. Thanks for having me, guys. Yeah, quite, quite the interesting news cycle with AOC getting divorced or not divorced. Sorry. Just a breakup. Yeah. Broke up. So, listen, everybody, everybody in our office has been asking, what do you mean by I can fix her? Well, I don't cherish the fact that her relationship ended. I think that's a terribly unfortunate thing, but I certainly think that there's, you know, a lot that AOC can can get from a relationship with with myself. You know, I think we'd have a pretty good time, you know, and I appreciate how passionate she is about a lot of her issues. But Clav, again, you use the word and and I think rightfully people are focusing on the word fix, which means there's something broken. So what is it that you see as being broken with AOC? Oh, I just tweeted that for engagement. Hey, I love the honesty. I love the honesty. I love that. And it worked. So you should you should know. You may have seen this, but our TMZ DC guys got AOC out and we actually talked to her about you and she was familiar with you and kind of gave a mixed review and said some of it was too extreme, but some of it she got. So I guess what I'm saying is maybe there's a chance. Yeah. Well, here's what I'll say about that. I thought that was a mostly positive clip. All she was simply saying was, you know, maybe people should be focusing on their personality. Not so much this whole looks maxing thing. And my response was they're not mutually exclusive. Right. You can do both. So, you know, maybe she could teach me a thing or two about how to be more charismatic, how to have a better personality, because I acknowledge that that's certainly something that I need to work on as a up and coming, you know, young adult. And maybe we could talk about like looks maxing and peptides together as well. So there is one other issue, Clav. I believe you have a girlfriend, right? Yeah. It's all it's all good fun, though. You know, I'm just kind of being like pretty ironic about this whole situation. Obviously, there's a bit of of a career divide where I don't think that a politician would want to be romantically associated with someone like a streamer. So we're kind of got it. So what we're doing out there thinking, all right, this isn't going to actually turn anything. But but women, but women, I want to raise a more, I think, serious issue that there are a lot of people who are so angry at people they disagree with politically that they would never be friends with them, much less romantically linked. And I was really interested in your reaction to it, that you said, even if it's in jest, that you'd be open to this. And it sounded like politics weren't an issue. So I'm just curious, do you because I don't know what your politics are. Do they align with her? Do you disagree with her but still think, hey, or would you just not ever talk about politics? Well, I'm just simply not political and I don't have a political opinion of of my own. Right. And even if I did, I've always said it's not something that I would talk about on the Internet because I understand, you know, the massive audience I have and I'm wanting to someone you know, I want to take the mature route and realizing that if I talk about something without full understanding, then it can really misinfluence a lot of people. So I avoid politics. It's just never been something I'm interested in. And it's just something I'm pretty ignorant on. So, you know, maybe she could tell me about some of these political issues. But, yeah, I've got no I've got no take. So is it that you just think she's hot? I mean, what is it? It did seem like when her picture popped up, that's when you were like, oh, boy. Yeah. Well, yeah, obviously, she's she's quite a beautiful congresswoman. But I kind of just like how she's got that fiery energy to her. You know what I mean? When she goes to protest for whatever cause, she's really into it. You know, once again, very charismatic. And that's a very likable trait that someone could have. The female equivalent to BDE. To what? Nothing. Yeah. Never. Never mind. All right. So I hear you kind of threw it out there. You didn't really think anything would come of it. What if she did reach out? I wouldn't be surprised if a collaboration could happen, you know, because a lot of politicians certainly realize the massive influence I have and the massive viewership that I get across all platforms. So it makes sense for them to try to kind of use this influence to their advantage, whether it be for reelection or for certain causes. And listen, I'm a content creator. It's viral. So, you know, I do stuff with Republicans, with Democrats, but I'm just not political myself. So I'd certainly be open to a collaboration. I got to say, it is so refreshing to talk to somebody who's just honest about the fact that, yeah, I really need some engagement. It's so refreshing. Speaking of that, who's on the wall behind you there, Clev? I was trying to, I've been looking at it. What do you think that is? It's me. I have a guess. Yeah. I had a guess. You couldn't find a bigger picture? No. So that's the, that covers the entire wall, but you can't see it, but yeah, it's a full sized mural. Okay. Yeah. I got to tell you, it's really great having you on. And we mean what we said, that we get so much BS with people we talk to that you're just really honest guy. And it's great to, it's great to hear that. Yeah. Well, I mean, people aren't stupid when they're watching. So you might as well be fully authentic with stuff. And, you know, even if it's not the most attractive trade or whatever, just, just be honest. I'm like, yeah, I'm just memeing. I'm just going for impressions on X cause that's what it is. You know? When we, when we get her out next time in DC, we'll take her temperature and let you know. Okay. Please do let me know. Thanks Clev. Coming up. Well, being first lady of New York city does not mean you get NYPD protection wherever you go. Zoran Mamdani's wife has just learned this the hard way. She was told by the mayor's office that yes, the NYPD would provide that security. Well, NYPD says, we don't do that. Be right back. TMZ has got every freaking thing. Big celebs, big stories, big events. Donald Rawlings took TMZ DC on a city tour. You know what the irony of this is? A black man takes a white person to the white house. It's TMZ. Well, being first lady of New York city does not mean you get NYPD protection wherever you go. It turns out there are limits and Zoran Mamdani's wife has just learned this the hard way. And some might say in an embarrassing way. So this is about the mayor's wife taking an upcoming trip to Syria and Lebanon. And the New York Post reported that she had requested, I would guess through her husband's office officially, that NYPD security would provide security for her. They would accompany her. Right. And that she was told by the mayor's office that yes, the NYPD would provide that security. Well, NYPD says, we don't do that. Because of Syria and Lebanon being classified by the State Department as a level four security risk. That these are dangerous places that they tell American citizens you shouldn't be going. Now, we should say that, you know, look, New York is really a centerpiece of the world. And it makes sense for both the mayor and the mayor's spouse to go to various places for goodwill, for business. There are all sorts of reasons why mayors travel not just around the country, but around the world. And you would think that generally, yeah, you would provide protection for the mayor or the mayor's spouse because it's a reasonable thing to do wherever they go. It's just there's a policy and it's not about Syria or Lebanon in particular. It's about any level four country. And classified by the State Department. But, you know, and I understand why you're saying it that way, because I think the reaction a lot of people are going to have is that the real reason NYPD isn't going to go won't go with her is because of some of the things she has said in the past. Well, that would be wrong. That would just be retribution. Yeah, right. And some people might view it that that's what's going on here. But if that were the case, that wouldn't be wrong. It doesn't seem like that's what it is. I don't really get what the hoopla is about. It's like this trip hasn't happened yet. They're not going with her. Why would people care? Well, the fact that she asked for it, right? Supposedly. That she asked for it and that in the past, Mayor Mamdani has referred to her as a private person. That was when she was getting backlash for some of these during the campaign. She was getting backlash for some statements she had made that were deemed anti-Semitic by some people. And he said, look, she's a private person. She's allowed to say whatever she wants. No, I know. But at the time, he was not the mayor of New York. And it puts her in a different position. Listen, I understand why he would ask or she would ask that if she's going to another country as a representative of New York, that she would want some security detail. To me, that makes sense. And you can't look at what somebody said during a campaign and penalize her for that. The trip, by the way, she said, is for going to visit family. So it's not like an official visit by the mayor or the mayor's office. Right, right. Hey, it's Diane from Florida. Look, we've seen some disagreements between Mamdani and the head of the NYPD before, but they've really repaired that relationship. And truthfully, I don't think this is about Mamdani or his wife at all. I think it's about the NYPD trying to protect their own. I'm thinking if I'm in charge of the NYPD, I don't want to send my officers to unnecessarily dangerous countries either. And I think it is a good policy to have realistically. And I don't think it's anything against the mayor or his wife. I think what you said is the most reasonable way of looking at this. Coming up. Other people are very upset about what we are about to share with you. Something that Kiki Palmer has shared about her relationship with Sean Evan. They certainly seemed like they had more than a spark. But here's what she is saying now about their relationship. Sorry to break you. Be right back. Welcome back to TMZ Live, man. It's getting really hot and tense in here. This guy's all worked up about lunch. And other people are very upset about what we are about to share with you. Something that Kiki Palmer has shared about her relationship with Sean Evans. The host of Hot Ones. Everyone had them together. They certainly seemed like they had more than a spark. We know that they went out on a date together. Italian restaurant. Nobody said Italian. But you did. But here's what she is saying now about their relationship. She went on the Shut Up Evan podcast. Sorry to break it to you. You are very well liked, very beloved. Sean Evans is very well liked and very beloved. So the idea of too well liked in a society in which people love to hate. The idea that you two exist alone and that you could come together. It feels good. They're not wrong. You know what I'm saying? I feel like it's just one of those things with me where I'm like this is so crazy. Like what are we supposed to do? Just go get married? We don't even know each other outside of work. Maybe a second date. So y'all can post about it? No, I think that like you gave us the one. I think from here on out, you go and live your happily ever after or whatever that may be. With Sean, alone, whatever it may be. She did not say one and done. She didn't but it just sounds like she's clowning us. No, she's not. It sounded like she did try because she knows that this is one of the relationships that the world was trying to ship. And we all stand for Sean and Kiki to be together. She knew that. They knew that. So she said, okay, let's go on a date. Let's try it. Let's actually take this outside of work. She didn't say not for me. She definitely said I only know him out of work. What do you want us to do? Can I just say something? When she says we only know each other at work, it makes it sound like the whole thing was just like they were working, right? This is a, they knew how people felt about it. In all honesty, it seems like at work, yes, that they were working together and there was a little chemistry for sure. There was some flirting. There was some butterflies. They decided based off of the world's reaction, let's give it a whirl. They gave it a whirl. They went to the Italian restaurant and decided we're just going to be friends. Let me ask you something. Did this benefit both of them individually to have people talking the way they did? I mean, they're very successful without it, but did it benefit them? Of course, but everything benefits Kiki Palmer. I get it, and it benefited Sean too. So this could all be a ruse where they are playing you and playing our social. Kiki's not a ruse person. She's not a ruse kind of person. She's a very transparent person. I think she likes Sean and she would be like, hey, this is going to benefit Sean. He's going to get to a different audience. The chat is saying that a lot of people want to plan love, then allow genuine love to flourish. That if they're meant to be together, that it'll happen. But we also have people in the chat saying, I love them together. I want them to be together. I know, but it's not your life, guys. I'm talking to the chat. It's their life. But they went on that date and drew into that Italian restaurant for us. For the people in the chat that are like, we love them together. For the Twandas, I love y'all together. You're right, but here's the thing. They did go on the date for you, but it wasn't really a date. Yes, it was. They were doing it for you. It was business. Harvey, you can't tell me that. You guys cannot sit here and tell me when you guys see them together. There's chemistry. It's not fake chemistry. It's real chemistry. We're not sitting there and telling you. We're standing and telling you that. I'm kind of leaning back and talking to you. You look like you're sitting next to me, but yeah. Oh, really? Wow. Hi, Melanie from Miami. I think Kiki's being pretty clear that there's chemistry between them, but I think you might be onto something. Maybe it was for his benefit to get willing to like him a little bit more. But I see the flirting. Maybe it could turn into something. Maybe it's just, I mean, a fling or a casual date. Or set up. Or just business. It's all commerce. You know, you are very fond of saying that everyone needs to embrace the future and embrace AI. Yes. Can't escape it, so figure out how you can work with it properly. Tyga admitted that he did use AI in the production of his new album, Starface. I think this backfires against your argument. It's a bump in the road. Because his album got a 0.0. How is that even possible, sir? In the movie. Animal House. Okay. Yes. Pitchfork gave Starface a 0.0. How is that? I mean, seriously. No, no. What I'm saying is when you go that extreme, then it's personal and vendetta-like and it's about anti-AI and it's not really about his music. I mean, other people have said that the world is a worse place with this album in it. Is it really that bad? It would have gotten a bad review. I think maybe a 2 out of 10. Fine. But the 0.0 is definitely... A 2 at least is a statement that you would believe. You're right. This is a condemnation of AI. That's what it is. Exactly. But you know what? I'm okay with that being a condemnation of AI. It hurts Pitchfork. No, it doesn't. That's what Pitchfork does. If you want to put it that way, this is Pitchfork saying that AI should not be used in the production of music. That's a political and social statement. It's not a statement about his music. It's just true. Well, it's not his music. Well, part of it is his music. That argument's going on right now. There's a song called Rubbers by an artist named Phoenix Flexon. It's been on the chart for a couple weeks and people are like, this is clearly an AI song. He's been like, no. No, it's not AI. I made it. This past week he finally admitted, yeah, it's AI. It clearly was. But now people are debating. It should be removed from the charts. It's a 0.02. Okay. When I was a kid. Here we go. There was a book and it was about- The Bible. Only the Old Testament, so no one had it written yet. There was a book about a kid that was in Holland or wherever. Putting his finger- And the dam was leaking. And he's putting his finger to stop the water from coming out. And it kept springing leaks. Yes. That's what's going to happen with AI. That, yeah, you can try it now, but it's going to start popping up everywhere and you're going to be overrun by it. Accept the future. Embrace the future. You can embrace AI. Yes, certainly. Society in general can embrace AI in certain venues. But maybe music just isn't one that we should do it in. Or just be better about it. You can. They said that about manufacturing with the assembly line. And it didn't kill it. In fact, it helped it. Okay. So- Well, maybe if it was just a really good album, they would have maybe given it a five. You just keep going back to things from your childhood. The bottle tea rolling off. Okay, you can make fun, but if you can't learn from history, you can't learn at all. Period. End of statement. Rest my case. Emily from Los Angeles. And I think people are super aware of the AI on this album. And I think a lot of artists try to go 80s to revitalize their careers, but his fans are not having it. And I think, you know, if you couldn't hear the AI as obviously, maybe it would have worked. But I think Pitchfork called it on this one. I think it's a flop. Yeah. Look, maybe it will get better. You're right. Maybe AI produced music will sound better in the future. Eric, real quick. Isn't there a song? There's an artist, an AI artist who's actually charting. There's- Yeah. There's been AI artists. Yes. A female- There's been a lot of them, actually. Yeah. A lot. I mean- What's she doing? It might be that Barbra Streisand's an actual AI fixture. We just never knew it. That was your go-to? We're off the rails. That's the best I could think of. Oh, God. Coming up. So Paris Jackson went on Call Her Daddy, and she opened up about her battles with addiction. Heroin, in particular. It's easy to just say, look, quit, whatever it is. But it just has such a physical hold on you that even when you go through something as tragic as Paris describes here, you still can't stop. Be right back. So Paris Jackson went on Call Her Daddy, and she opened up about her battles with addiction. Heroin, in particular. And she told this story, which we're about to hear here, that is, if ever there was a depiction of how gripping addiction is. We talk about this all the time, that it's easy to just say, look, quit, whatever it is. But it just has such a physical hold on you that even when you go through something as tragic as Paris describes here, you still can't stop. What was the hardest song for you to write? As far as emotions go, probably Sirens. That one's very emotional. Yeah, that was about a buddy of mine that OD'd on my drugs, and I had to handle that till the paramedics arrived. And it's also definitely a testament to the whole, like, it takes what it takes, because I still didn't get sober for another year and a half after that. Like, you'd think something scary like that of, like, nope. Well, you know, it really shows, too, that when you look back at her dad's life, that in 1986, when Michael Jackson was burned during the Pepsi commercial, it started a, what ended up lifelong addiction to prescription drugs, to opioids, which ultimately really killed him. So there's a real history in this family. Yeah, and she admits that she's still, we hear this, that addicts say this to them, that she still struggles and knows that she can't just smoke a little weed or something or have drinks, everything opens the door, which makes the Brad Pitt revelation even more relevant. That's kind of interesting. I mean, she said in the interview, too, she wrote this actually back in, like, 2021, 2022, and kind of held off on publishing it for a really long time until her album this year. So it kind of shows that she kind of reflected, looked back on that time in her life, and even now is willing to admit how far she's grown. I mean, that seems like such a scary time. I can't imagine what it would have been like. I think the important part of that story is that they were her drugs, and yet she still kept using those same drugs for another year, knowing that she watched it almost kill her friend. It's where is bottom? And that's the question. And where is bottom? And for a lot of people, bottom is really deep. And most addicts relapse. And Paris has had that problem, and good on her. And the fact that she realizes that and that she can't start down that road again. Definitely. Hi, my name is Tasia from Orange, New Jersey. I'm happy that Paris is able to talk about, you know, her addiction and how she's moved forward from it. And it's good to know your triggers. So she knows, like, I can't open that door because it'll lead me down the wrong path. So it's good that she's aware of that. Self-aware. Yes. Coming up. Perez Hilton continues to recover after the apparent suicide attempt. And a lot of people are wondering, what about his kids? He has three children. And his mom was taking care of them after the incident. Right. And now we found out in court documents that she has actually filed for temporary custody of them. Be right back. Perez Hilton continues to recover after the apparent suicide attempt. While he was on a live stream. And a lot of people are wondering, what about his kids? He has three children. And his mom was taking care of them after the incident. Right. And now we found out in court documents that she has actually filed for temporary custody of them, which I think is a very clear sign of how long they think this recovery is going to have to take for her to have to actually file for custody of them. Well, it's unsurprising. Because, number one, these kids need some stability. And when he gets out of the hospital without a temporary custody order, what happens? And at least this puts a structure in place. And again, it's called temporary for this very reason, that you revisit it when hopefully he stabilizes. Right. And also, if you think of the time of year we're in, these kids should be starting school. School might have already started off without them. Their ages are 13, 11, and 8. So you would assume that this mother wants to be able to take them to school. And maybe that's a part of why she filed these documents. Something that I thought was kind of interesting, and I wanted to get your guys' take on this, is, you know, his family released a statement on Saturday saying that he was still under the Baker Act, which is a psych hold. However, he signed off on these documents on Friday, the day before. So he was presumably still under the Baker Act at that time. I thought that was kind of interesting that, I guess, that he was allowed and able to sign off on documents while being under a psych hold. Yeah. I mean, the idea of a psych hold is that you're a danger to yourself or other. It doesn't necessarily mean you're incompetent to understand. It just means you're a danger. I mean, look, the documents make sense, and it is good. It's a good move for his kids. The other good thing about this, and we talked about this last week when the incident happened, is the fact that we know this doesn't really, it doesn't really totally shake up the kids' arrangement because we know the moms lived with Perez and the kids basically their entire life. So from that dynamic, nothing's really changing other than the fact that Perez might not be around for that. I think this is about her being able to make certain decisions for them. There's one other reality here. I mean, when he gets out, he may not be fully stable. And what if he were to say, I want my kids back now? And she's alarmed. Yeah. Getting this temporary custody order gives everybody that protection. All right. Jessica in Las Vegas. So actually, Perez lived in Las Vegas for a bit, and he was actually a huge part of the Vegas community here. I bumped into him once at my job, and he couldn't have been more kind. Long gone were the days of 2007 Britney meltdown, that whole thing. He just is such a good person, and he was such a good dude. And so seeing all this kind of go down was definitely very tragic. But also finding out that his kids were in the room, or were there in the house, I guess, when he was doing this. So, I mean, yeah, everything's happening with his mom being able to take care of them, of course. But they're just going to need counseling. Well, the kids, I don't think the kids saw it. They didn't see it. They were aware that he was having mental health issues leading up to that event. Okay. Well, what else do you guys want to talk about? Hey, I'm Armani from L.A., and what a whirlwind. What a great name. Thank you so much. Wow. I mean, there's a lot of pressure that comes with that. I know, but I like the name, man. I appreciate that. What a whirlwind it's been today for the Lakers. I mean, we're still processing the fact that Jeannie Buss sold the team, what that's going to mean for the organization. And now less than 14 months after she sold the team, they're going to have a new owner. What does that mean for this organization going forward? I mean, Bob Iger and Josh Kushner buying the team today from Mark Walter. It's just we knew with Mark Walter how he was going to spend, and we had a sample from the Dodgers. But now the Lakers and their fan base are entering the great unknown again. And if you're a Laker fan today, I can't imagine how you're feeling. I mean, this is the great unknown as an organization. I think you expect that someone else steps up next year and buys it for $14 billion, right? I mean, that seems to be the way of the world. Hey, when you have a kid, would you name him Calvin? Great question. I haven't thought that far ahead. But now that you bring it up, I will have to consider it, I guess. You're welcome. Travis Kelsey is at training camp, of course, with the Kansas City Chiefs. But we had his first availability with the media today. Wedding was the best night of my life. Be right back. Travis Kelsey is at training camp, of course, with the Kansas City Chiefs. But we had his first availability with the media today. And, of course, they wanted to talk all about football. What plays are you guys putting in? How many touchdowns are you going to score? No, they didn't want to talk about any of that. Just his wife. Wedding was the best night of my life. And I appreciate everybody who came out and celebrated and, you know, had fun with us. It's kind of cool to be able to, you know, live out my childhood dream of being in that venue. And, you know, the mecca of all sports venues, being able to get married in there. I can't thank, you know, the owners of MSG for allowing us to get the opportunity to do that. It was perfect. And the A.C. was cooking, baby. That was the best part. Yeah, the A.C. was cooking because it was hot in New York. I mean, can you imagine what the A.C. bill is? This was all about his childhood dream. So, I guess this means he wanted to be a basketball player. Because as a football player, you wouldn't be in that. No, no, no. He just wanted to get married in Madison Square Garden. That's what he was thinking when he was 8. Right? We'll see you tomorrow.