Why Ukraine is betting on ground drones, explained

We don't know how A.I. will behave. If for some reason the AI decides to turn around and shoot its own people, We simply don't know. Do you think underground drones and other systems Will they be able to completely replace the officers? We are close. How close? Almost. You'll see. 80-90% of them will be replaced by robots. Could you talk about how you decided to start your company? And what were the first months of development? The first months were probably the most difficult. and most interesting of all. I served in the army. I remained in the service until the end of 2022. and for about half a year We tried to explain how we could assist the army. We didn't know where to start, And then, one day, my brother in his hands He called and asked if we could make a simple robot. who simply crushed the mane, to reduce the number of injuries sustained by soldiers, during manual demining of areas. This is how our logistics robot was born. The first year was devoted to development, showing prototypes to military personnel, testing within the scope of many, many tests. Then, at the beginning of 2024 We have begun the work, receiving the new product guaranteed. Such a product has never been on the market before. Nobody has ever done it before. In November 2024 We have finally received our first delivered product. It was a mine-clearing robot. Then, in November of the same year, We provided a logistics robot, Built from the first product, called ZMI. Guys from the Third Development Brigade They arrived and said, That's a nice machine. Or can it be made available? for collecting things, Some cargo? We said yes, let's try. In about a week We received the logistical version. robot ZMI In November we went through the tests We have received the NATO classification code. In 2025 We have expanded very seriously. If in 2024 We built 60 robots, In 2025, we built 720. This year We will build ten times more, So things are looking good. How did you find the engineers? and basic materials, What were necessary to build all of this? We used up all the material, What we had in our hands in our automatic store. We had our own shop. As for skills, I am an advancing mechanic. In the underground mechanic. I have 14 years of experience. in business, past the point of no return. So I know my way in the direction of mechanisms, plus at the convenience store. Everything is there It's also about mechanisms. You're just using logic. physical rights That's all. We didn't do anything extraordinary. We did not destroy any physical laws. I understand that building a mower That's one thing. But if it comes to offensive underground drone It must be Much more complicated, isn't it? Attack drone only in certain ways We were dealing with very useful underground robotic systems. There are people and companies, which do great defense modules I assure you, So we collaborated with them. For example, for the defensive version our robot, ZMII Droid 12.7, We collaborated with DevDroid. They'll make a great turret. The soldiers love him. They also love our platform. So we joined the forces we created ZMII Droid 12.7. Now We are working in the process certification ZMII Mini From Mk19. This will be the next one armor model From Mk19 with grenadine to destruction the enemy's strength. Before something It goes into production, This has been tested. In defense. Personally We are taking the machines forward and we are sending our colleagues They test them. in real-life situations They give us answers. It works. It doesn't work. We are changing this, Let's keep it that way. Based on their answers We are improving our products and only then We are starting my production. If you have a solid machine, You can create anything with her. And if you have excellent engineers, You're giving them a task. I can do it change into a product in a week After that It's just that the issue of testing, which may last a month, two or three Creation product yourself It's quite fast, but delivering it for production upon receipt certification It takes longer That's not something, what we can accelerate It's a new product, who must work on the front line and most importantly, to be safe for the soldiers, those who use it This is the main one. I know your robot demeaning It's much lighter. from foreign equivalents. How did you manage that? I remember, I've heard that That's a girl about a ton At the same time similar foreign systems They weigh from 10 to 20 tons. Every product my own niche w specific environment. If we look on large machines demeaning, humanitarian, They were built for cleaning of vast areas, but not in situations Our machine It was built specifically Do walki. Actually first certification, which we received, It was from NATO. so it would be specified as military equipment. Only after that We received civil certificate, which could have been used for humanitarian work. Why is this so easy? At the beginning We wanted to Do it easy enough, to drive through through anti-tank mines. To 250 do 350 kg Almost amount of pressure needed of reflection typical anti-tank mine But during testing We carried out something else When it passes He is sitting on the page. for a long time let's say, year album one and a half years internal screw It is changing due to weather or maybe touch even over 50 kg We couldn't to hold robot over 350 kg We made it. a bit heavier, about 1 ton by survive detonations anti-tank mines Yes turn off anti-tank mine from her screw I Go on. Yes survive 4 explosions? Yes survive 4 explosions In short, but you still have to list front explosive every time because It is destroyed. You have the same machine remains fully. If we look at foreign equipment equipment after the mine explosion cost 70,000 80,000 dollars because self-propelled equipment costs million Our costs 20,000 dollars and equipment cost only 2,000 dollars Moreover We can do it In a few days, because all parts They are Ukrainian. I am always in the store. With foreign machines You have to wait. by parts Arrived. That's a completely different story. But our machine cannot list large machines, because They are here. for large objects. Our It was built for the front, to clear the way, so that the officers It could have passed safely. so that we don't lose soldiers, in the hands of our brothers, They could have done it Go home Life and well-being. But also is only used for humanitarian tools. For example, to get large equipment in the vicinity first It needs to be done Small passages. Our machine Robi te małe przejścia without using humanitarian tools Then large machines enter We'll clear the large surrounding area. The Cave Independent is funded by readers Like you. Now we are looking for 4,000 new members, by join our community and help us develop independence from Ukraine. If our representation It's important to you, Please be careful, to become a member. Can you find the link? in the description under the video. W 2025 You introduced the model. using artificial intelligence. What problems will solve AI for the army In your products? Personally, Are you agreeable? using AI On the front? Main risk AI There are such ones How about our machines. It is still here with continuous development in the correction. Not yet in the latest version of AI, so we cannot to use her to her full potential because it is still developing. In our case AI is used only in defensive modules. Helps with the purpose of achieving track by observation. But true control machines I shot still yet carried out by the operator. There are two reasons For this. First, security We don't know. what is AI I'll manage. For example, if a soldier It will come to the machine to discharge it and for some reason AI will decide to turn over machine to shoot in their own people. We simply don't know. So these two tasks, machine controlling a shot, We leave it to the operator, to preserve All safely. How long usually deals with AI training? This occupies a very long time Too big outflow of resources because it has to to sell a large database Site of the battle It changes every day. Maybe you could fix it the road today, tomorrow that road will explode and you must find a new road AI cannot see. that something has changed. Russians also constantly they adapt to us, just like us We will adapt to them. We'll create something new, They are the ones who control it. We control I control And so on. Frontline changes 2-3 weeks, and most often month So you must always update Add new features. That means, that you must reverse AI From the beginning. It is a very complex process. Is this happening? at once at the same time Is this it your company Does it bring that? We're bringing this in as a company, also We receive this from others. There is a large network of people working there. We are not competitors. with others manufacture me drones All together We are working on one a crucial goal, victory of Ukraine So we divide the technology and everything besides oneself. That's how it works. I would also like to talk To your MINI ZMI. First of all, Why MINI? Let's start with that. MINI was born quite quickly In a curious way. We took it (them) our large logistics ZMI We kept everything Similarly, just do it We destroyed them. Do the minimum. So small, when we open the window There is no space. even without putting one's hand inside. We reduced his truck's weight This time we increased indifference and speed. Large-scale logistics ZMI 850 kg Maybe I can drive through. 43–60 km. MINI ZMI 450 kg. Perhaps also haul 500 kg and his speed up to 100 km and its speed just 15-20 km in an hour, depending on the area. On a flat road may pass 20 km per hour. On the upper terrain operator team leader decide How fast must they go? so as not to lose car of a person wearing a uniform, which flee from the fight. I remember, in one of your interviews My two colleagues told me, never You didn't summon No investors At the beginning. Has it already changed? To date I still haven't summoned it one investor, not even one assumption. And if the time comes, when do we have to to summon investors or establish joint ventures outside There is just one situation, which will always remain unchanged. Production will take place in Ukraine in the factories They will remain in Ukraine. The purpose is to strengthening of Ukraine's economy because of the war It will end sooner or later. Maybe tomorrow, perhaps in a year, and it will end. Ukraine She will have to get back on your feet. If you have large factories In Ukraine You export your products, Ukrainian economy It will develop. But if the factories They are outside. That is not good for Ukraine. This is not just business to project. What an amazing project. Now I It's about saving a life. My Brothers' Lives In the temple outside in the future It's about the development of Ukraine. Do you have No international clients? What is it your general relative government policies to exports Ukrainian gates? We haven't started yet exporting, because, Returning to that What I was talking about earlier this project It's about saving a life. First We must sell oneself to his military. When will we do it? We'll think about it later on exporting. The government's consideration at the same time It's about reinforcement. economy. If we are selling outside, money and taxes They remain in Ukraine. What will help? economy. And we're not yet at the point where can we completely collect gates I have enough units for everyone soldiers, those who need them. Now gates hold line on the outside data They are enormous. They are saving lives, otherwise soldiers in those dangerous places instead of them. Perhaps more than one soldier. Robots Are these tasks working now? so we need Many of them. Many? You mean two, three ten times more lower than in 2025? As you have heard, the president officially explained the purpose is 50,000 goals until the end of the year In the previous year There were only 15,000. so they want four times more. I am not this Only a wish. They consider it for the purpose of soldier Soldiers sign your proposals In this way They know what is needed. We'll do it this year in the following year Let's do it again. No problem. There are no bets. The government helps in every way. Ten support is a major factor in the development of underground drones. Do you think, underground drones other systems will be able to completely replace the officer corps? How close Are we up to this point? We are close to each other. How close? Bliskimi. You'll see. In your opinion, What steps They are still needed, How to get there? Listen, there's one rule, Which one was the real one? in war through the ages And it never changes. Wherever the officer Laid down his legs, This is your land. So without soldiers There will be no front. 80-90% of them will be listed by robots. That is a fact. It will happen. Ah, the soldiers They will still have to to do one's job Hold the territory That is the most difficult part. Since you can go inside, Should this be cleared? from the strength of the enemies, No, not really. I am returning. And you could have Inside, the other way in, reverse plan or any other attempt Clean and recover. But when the soldiers They go inside. They must hold on tight for a long time They must hold on. shouts of artillery attacks and air shots. Everything. So the most difficult work It's still the officer corps. It's not just the officers. They are also Controlled distribution. There was such an event, where is controlled distribution held her position for a few days, The Russians couldn't come together. because they thought there is the entire officer corps of the officer. That was just a robot. The guys were arriving and they discharged him 越来越多人， a on po prostu He kept shooting at them. So this is absolutely true. It depends. It really matters. We cannot expect I will place it No real statistics. For our robots know Best and worst records. Best example last year when the third Separate Attack Brigade restored to us one of our aircraft, which were shot It was working Almost two months already. Almost two months. Led over 40 tons of aircraft, survived a dozen or so explosive shots by drones, Mines were exploding. survived I finally It exploded. Approximately survived 15,000 kilometers. And the shortest lifespan was If I don't lose it, Over 300 meters. Just he was shooting and It exploded. So it's huge lifetime operational cycle airplane It all depends from the direction of, from the unit And how do they plan to do it? movements, about the weather, of operators, of many things Need a lot of knowledge in science It's too complicated. We didn't have cases, when is the sale It wasn't working due to irregularities It exploded or it exploded. That's all. Hello everyone. Anna is here With a short message for you. Soon We distributed them the new campaign by restore 4,000 new members to the community individual Kyiv, What does it mean, because if you join now, you will be part of our latest effects membership cooperation. 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