Kevin Randle is a retired military officer with a background in intelligence. Today, he’s a full-time writer with more than 146 books to his credit, and a deep knowledge of the topics surrounding UFOs. Kevin has spent 35 years investigating the Roswell UFO crash and the mystery surrounding it, speaking to other military officers who witnessed elements of the crash site, including alien bodies, and shared shocking testimony about what the government has tried so hard to hide for decades. He explains Project Mogul and how it was used to divert attention away from the Roswell incident in 1947. Kevin also highlights another UFO sighting in 1957, allegedly witnessed by countless people, including military officials. Daily, the conversation around UFOs and UAPs becomes more mainstream, heightening public interest, despite government efforts to suppress the topic.
TAKEAWAYS
The physical evidence from Roswell was quickly confiscated by the U.S. government and officials were sworn to secrecy
Several sources told Kevin that the alleged bodies recovered from the Roswell site were processed through Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
The 1957 UFO incident reportedly caused cars near the aerial object to stall which doesn’t line up with the supposed bolt of lightning theory
Witnesses to these UFO events describe seeing an ‘egg-shaped’ aerial object
Kevin Randall is a former army helicopter pilot, aircraft commander, battalion intelligence officer,
and retired as lieutenant colonel back in 2009. Today he is a full-time writer. Within the UFO
community, he is often regarded as one of the preeminent experts on the reported crash of a UFO
near Roswell, New Mexico back in July 1947. A writer with more than 146 books to his credit,
Kevin is perhaps best known for his books about UFOs and the Roswell story.
While the vast majority of his books are science fiction and historical fiction,
it's his books on the accounts of Roswell that have exerted an enormous influence on those
interested in the saga. This is the counterculture mom show, I'm your host Tina Griffin. I'm sporting
the blurry creatures t-shirt this week because it goes along with the theme of the week and that is
Roswell. That is where we're headed this week people, Roswell, New Mexico with retired military
officer Kevin Randall. Kevin, how you doing today? Long time no see. I'm doing great. I tell
you what, thank you for being a last minute fill-in guest but you are going to be a joy to
have on the program today. God lined up the perfect person to round out this four episode
series on Roswell. Did you grow up as a kid fascinated by UFOs, alien abductions, and all
the rest or was it something that just kind of fell in your lap to research Roswell for 35 plus
years? Back in the olden days when we would go to theaters my mother took me to see Earth versus
the Flying Saucers when I was a little kid. That sparked the interest. She was always interested
in science fiction and aliens and that sort of thing and so it just kind of grew out of that.
When I was in high school we'd always heard that the pictures of UFOs were always blurry and people
were seeing blurry objects and nothing to find and one of my friend's mothers had seen a UFO and so
that was my first interview and my first question to her and the only thing I was really interested
in was, was it defined? Was it sharp and clear? And she said yes it had very very defined
edges and so it all grew out of that. It's wild. When I was 11, 12 years old, I think it was 12, I saw
a UFO with my two younger brothers and three other friends of mine, six kids on my parents dairy farm
in Pulaski, Wisconsin. That opened my eyes and then of course I was glued to the TV set with the
Unsolved Mysteries with a theme song with talking about alien abductions. Now you spent 35 plus years
investigating the Roswell UFO crash and your research and analyze UFO events for decades now.
I have to ask this curveball question out of the gate. How in the world did you write 146 books in
your young years? I used a computer. All right, next question. Oh my gosh, that's crazy. It's so cool
and thank you for your service once again. We're coming up to the 250th anniversary of our country,
4th of July. Thank you for serving in the military and protecting patriots. We greatly, greatly
appreciate that. So thank you for putting your body and brain and life on the line.
Kevin, to dissect Roswell here. First of all, I don't know what this is, so I wanted you to explain
what Project Mogul, what is that? Can you explain what that is and why does it fail? Project Mogul was
a top secret project to launch a constant level balloon so we could spy on the Soviets back in
1947. The theory was that with the microphones they would have picked up an atomic explosion
and they would know that the Russians had tested an atomic bomb. The problem is the project was
run out of Alamogordo, New Mexico by New York University. It was a New York University balloon
project. What was going on in Alamogordo, the balloon launches was not classified. The purpose
was they were using off-the-shelf weather balloons and ray-wind targets. When all other
terrestrial explanations failed, the Air Force and the skeptics seized on flight number four of
Project Mogul, which was cancelled. The documentation shows it was cancelled. They have no documentation
to show that it flew, but they said this is what was found. I've been fighting that battle for
literally decades. No, Project Mogul was cancelled. That flight was cancelled. It did not
leave the debris. Charles Moore, who was an engineer on the project, told me that flight
number four was configured exactly as flight number five. Flight number five had no ray-wind
targets. When they say, well, the debris was part of the ray-wind targets, that also creates a
problem for it. The real point is Project Mogul was a balloon project. It used nothing that
officers and men at Roswell would have recognized for what it was and not been extraordinarily
impressed by it. So they lied to cover up the fact that they still couldn't explain
what crashed, what debris, where did it come from, who was it, what was behind it,
was it alien, was it UFO, and they're trying to cover it up by saying Project Mogul did it,
and yet it never flew. I remember now a little bit of this, and you started explaining that,
was that in the Netflix and a clip from the Unsolved Mysteries that you did with the other
team members we have on the show this week with Donald Trump? We did talk about Project Mogul at
that time. The one thing that we have to understand, there were pictures taken in
General Ramey's office of a weather balloon and a fairly destroyed ray-wind target, and he said,
this is the debris. So the first explanation was, well, it was just a weather balloon,
don't worry about it. And then they come out with their new explanation. It wasn't a weather
balloon, it was a weather balloon. It's basically the same difference. So it simply doesn't work.
We have no terrestrial explanation for what fell at Roswell. That's really the bottom line.
Unreal. Okay, I know you had a chance to meet a ton of witnesses. I know that Thomas,
who's the next episode, everybody, you got to check out all four episodes this week on
Roswell. They are phenomenal. I think you said a couple hundred witnesses you had a chance to
speak to. Who are the top witnesses to the Roswell case from your angle?
We, and when I say we, I'm thinking of Don Schmidt and Tom Carey as well. We did interview
witnesses together. We interviewed them separately. One of the best witnesses I talked to was Major
Edwin Easley, who was the provost marshal at Roswell in 1947. The provost marshal being
like the chief of police. He was responsible for the security. When I first contacted him about
that, and we got to talking about it, he said, well, I can't tell you about that. I was sworn
to secrecy. And that was his answer for most everything. I can't tell you about that because
I was sworn to secrecy. I did manage to talk to him once from the Center for UFO Studies,
as a matter of fact. And I asked him if we were following the right path. And he said,
what do you mean? And I said, well, we think it's extraterrestrial. He said,
let me put it this way. It's not the wrong path. Every member of Colonel Blanchard's staff,
we were able to talk to with the exception of one, told us it was basically extraterrestrial.
They didn't know what the hell they had. Unbelievable. Okay. As my brain is smoking,
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Oh yeah. Kevin, it does seem kind of wild with your background and expertise as being
former army helicopter pilot, aircraft commander, battalion intelligence officer,
and full-time writer here, but especially the military side that I'm asking you alien UFO
questions. I have to say that that is pretty wild and unique. What other UFO events lead
to the alien explanation? I think one of the most dramatic is the series of sightings that
took place in Leveland, Texas, Leveland being about 15 minutes from Lubbock in November of 1957.
What we had was an aircraft that interacted with the environment, left physical traces,
was seen by, what the county sheriff said, hundreds of witnesses to it. What it was is an
object they described as egg-shaped. If it came close to your car, the engine would stall out,
the radio would fail, the lights would dim. When it left, then you could restart your car.
I talked to a number of people who were involved in that sort of thing.
The problem with the Leveland case is back in 1957, when the investigation was done,
the Air Force managed to divert the conversation from all the witnesses and the electromagnetic
effects and the landing traces that were found to how many witnesses saw the craft.
That was a big argument. Don Kehoe, who was the director of the National Investigations Committee
on Aerial Phenomena, got into an argument with the Air Force over the number of the witnesses.
The Air Force said there were three. He said there were nine. You go through the Project
Blue Book files, you can find at least 13. But if you go through the newspaper clippings and
talk to the other people, you'll find out there were literally dozens of people, including Air
Force officers who came from Reese Air Force Base in Lubbock, Texas, to work with the sheriff that
night during those sightings. I think they purposely did that to try to look like, oh,
only one or two people saw it. They're trying to take the attention away from the fact that
it was there. It was seen. It did happen to try to make it harder for anybody to say that it was
truth. I think what they were trying to do was minimize the impact of the sighting. Well,
it was just a couple of people that saw this object in the distance. The sheriff was quoted
in the newspapers as saying he saw a football shaped object. And we found out later his car
had been stalled as he approached it. Behind him was a car from the Texas Department of Public
Safety, and that car was stalled. And behind that car was a car filled with Air Force officers
that stalled. So you've got all those people. The Air Force investigation took place over eight
hours, three or four days later. And the conclusion was it was ball lightning. Well,
ball lightning is a very small, short lived event, maybe 18 inches, 24 inches in diameter,
two or three minutes. This took place over two and a half to three hours with a craft described
much, much larger than that. And there's no evidence that the ball lightning has ever affected
car engines on a regular basis. That's unreal. Can you handle a curveball?
Sure. Why not? Awesome. My editor, Mike, you rock. He's phenomenal. He's on our team. He just sent me
this text yesterday, and I want to share it with you and get your thoughts on this. So we had Tim
Burchett on our program a couple of years ago, I think two years ago now, about the UFO deal and
the congressional hearings that are happening. This just is going viral on Instagram at the
moment and on Facebook. Congressman Tim Burchett drops UFO bombshell on TMZ. Aliens are real.
They visited Earth on otherworldly craft and made direct content with humans. What he says,
a government insider briefed him that extraterrestrial beings have visited Earth using
advanced non-human crafts. These aliens have made direct contact with humans. Multiple government
and military officials have personally confirmed to him that extraterrestrials exist and the
encounters are real. He's seen or heard reports of massive underwater crafts, football field size
moving over 200 miles an hour, far beyond anything humans or sea life can do. And the briefings were
so wild and alarming that they'd unglue the country to keep people up at night if fully released.
But he stresses there's no danger to humanity. Their tech is so superior they could have wiped
us out already if they wanted to. He's 100% serious and offers to take lie detector tests
to prove he's telling the truth. The insider's final words to him, Tim, they're real, are going
to be the title of his upcoming book. Now we had Tim on our program, like I said, two years ago.
What are your thoughts about what he said? And I will tell you that I've read, heard, seen video
footage, all of it, that about half of that I could say it looks credible. What are your thoughts?
Well, first of all, I think that if you talk to Tom and Don and me, we've been saying that for
literally decades. We've provided the testimonies. We've provided the physical evidence such as there
is. We've provided interviews. We've named names. Oftentimes they say, well, the insiders told me
this. I can't tell you who it was. Don and I named names, pointed to people, and they've
been contacted and confirmed what we said. So there's nothing there that surprises me. That's
what we've been talking about, that we've now got a congressman talking about what he apparently
has seen in classified briefings. He may be talking out of school in that. As an intelligence
officer, I knew that, I knew there was many things that I couldn't talk about that I got
through classified sources. And the best example I can think of is one of the witnesses told his
wife, Pappy Henderson told his wife, he had found a tabloid newspaper in a grocery store around 1980
when all of this began to break. He was stationed at Roswell. And he told his wife, read this
article which talked about the Roswell case and the crash and the recovery. He says, I wanted to
tell you about this for years, but I wasn't able to because it was classified. But I guess since
they're publishing in the newspaper, I can now tell you. And of course, the answer is no, you
couldn't because you got it through classified sources. The classification still stuck. But the
point simply is this information has been out and the witnesses have been talking about it for a
long time. It's just recently that the mainstream media has begun to provide stories that were not
sort of tongue in cheek and laughable. The mainstream media reporters are too sophisticated
to believe in flying saucers. And yet that's where we are at this point. Now we're getting
traction from credible sources. What I would like to see from Tim Burgett and all these other people
is the names and the locations of these events. And we haven't gotten that yet. The best we got
was David Grush telling us about Roswell and an Italian crash that took place in 1933, which,
by the way, was investigated by colleagues of mine in Italy back in the 1990s and said that crash was
a hoax, Roswell not being a hoax. So the only trace we've really gotten from these people,
the insiders, is the Roswell case, which I don't know how many books I've written about Roswell,
and Don have written books about Roswell, and Sam Friedman wrote books about Roswell. So we've got
all this information out there about the Roswell case. And now suddenly, oh, we've just learned all
this stuff on the inside. Should have been listening to us 30 years ago. Yeah, I completely
agree. This is just unreal what is currently surfacing at skyrocket pace. I wanted to mention
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for another series, UFOs, Aliens, and the Rapture. That was the series name that we had him on
probably about two or three years ago, and it's all because of this. He had an interesting take
on the third dimensional, where these aliens, demonic activity takes place. So go check that
out if this interests you. We also have a UFO channel on that very same page at counterculturemom.com,
but check out that channel. Alan DiDio was just on our program, everybody, from the series
In The Last Days. Alan DiDio, you can also find him on that Lightcast page. So make sure you watch
that episode because he talked about literally being in private meetings in the state of Tennessee
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meetings where they can't even have their phone present up in mountains where there's no one that
can track and trace. I'm talking about UFOs, demonic activity, aliens, and all the rest.
Okay, why is there no physical evidence, Kevin? It depends on your definition of physical evidence.
There are landing trace cases. I think Ted Phillips cataloged 4,500 landing trace cases is where
the objects landed on the ground, left impressions on the ground, left burn marks on the ground.
There are some reports of bits of metal being recovered from alien craft. The evidence
from Roswell, of course, it was all confiscated by the government. So you don't really get to
take a look at that. And the government's been very good at suppressing that sort of information.
Absolutely.
No, I shouldn't say no. We talked to General Arthur Exxon, who was the base commander at
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in the 1960s. In 1947, he was a lieutenant colonel at Wright
Field when this information came through. And he told us that the debris had come to
Wright-Patterson for analysis. The bodies came to Wright-Patterson. He told us that one of the
bodies went to Denver, Colorado because at the time the Army had a mortuary service at what
became Lowry Air Force Base. So we've had that kind of information available to us. We just
can't get to the parts that are deeply, deeply classified.
We're going to go to a short commercial break when we come back. Kevin, I definitely want to
talk to you about where people can grab all of your 146 books. And we're going to highlight one
phenomenal book here today and then also Coast to Coast and so much more. So we'll be back with
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more people in this critical hour. Kevin, thank you for getting in the mix on the Counterculture Mom
show today. Absolutely love talking with you. You do a weekly update about UFOs on Coast to Coast AM
at 12 10 a.m central on either Thursday or Friday. So everybody got to go to coast to coast
am.com and check out all the phenomenal info that Kevin is dishing out on this fantastic
website and place here, Coast to Coast. Kevin, I also want to feature two of your phenomenal 146
books. The first one being Roswell in the 21st Century. Must read, everybody. Check that out.
Next up, we have this one on Roswell, Understanding Roswell, the True Story of
What Happened in Roswell in July 1947. We can find all your phenomenal books here on Amazon,
correct? Yes, absolutely. Okay, perfect. So everybody head to Amazon. Last but not least,
definitely have to track you down at kevinrandall.blogspot.com. That's kevinrandall.blogspot.com.
Your latest writing here came out very recent on April 7th. Nick Pope is gone and you wrote a
phenomenal piece about his life and his work. Thank you so much once again, Kevin, for jumping
in the mix and just sharing your heart and being dedicated to this cause. We have to think outside
the box. Everybody out there, watch all four episodes this week as we dissect Roswell deeper
than most mainstream media wants to go. CounterCultureMom.com is where you can find them.
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