4 Experts ANALYZE The Most Elusive Psychopaths: Watch Them UNMASKED

It's hard for me to believe that what I did is newsworthy, and my part in the campaign was so insignificant, I'm embarrassed that I should be getting this publicity from it. Really embarrassed. Greg, tell us about the videos we're going to watch. We'll look at the dating game serial killer Rodney Alcala. We'll also look at Bundy, Gacy, and Russell Williams and see why they're so hard to detect. You know there are three bachelors over there. They'll be one, two, and three. Ask them anything you like to find out more about them, except their name, age, occupation, or income. Okay? And we're going to start by having them say hello to you and see how they sound. Number one, would you say hello to Cheryl, please? We're going to have a great time together, Cheryl. Okay. And here we go. Bachelor number one, what's your best time? The best time is at night, nighttime. Why do you say that? Because that's the only time there is. The only time? What's wrong with morning, afternoon? Well, they're okay, but nighttime's when it really gets good. Then you're really ready. I'm a drama teacher, and I'm going to audition each of you for my private class. Bachelor number one. You're a dirty old man. Take it. Come on, over here. Bachelor number one, I am serving you for dinner. What are you called, and what do you look like? I'm called the banana, and I look really good. Can you be a little more descriptive? Peel me. This is a dating game, and Cheryl, we have reached the moment of truth, as we call it. You've heard from the bachelors, you've got some great dramatic presentations, some good answers. But now, I'm going to ask you a question. Will that date be bachelor number one, bachelor number two, or bachelor number three? Who gets the dates? Well, I like bananas, so I'll take one. Number one, bachelor number one. All right. Well, there they go. However, you did leave one remaining, and this is your date. And I want to tell you something about him, Cheryl. He's a skydiver, so he's got a lot of nerve. He's into motorcycling. He's also a fine photographer. Say hello to Rodney Alcala. Rodney, come on and say hello. Congratulations, Rod. You did it with the one answer. Well, as far as I can see, Cheryl and Rodney, it looks like the two of you may be involved in something. All right. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, interesting. So, you know, my heading for this is, you know, the actor versus the mask. Because this drama teacher here, you know, is not a bad entertainer. He's a pretty entertaining one. You know, it's clearly, you know, the show is the show that it is, full of innuendo. That's what it's designed for. And, you know, the female here is doing a great job of playing that. Who have we got with? Is it Alcala? Is that how it is? Rodney Alcala. Yeah. Who have we got with this subject here? Well, interesting, first of all, he says, you know, he's a skydiver, motorcyclist. He's a skydiver, so he's got a lot of nerve. He's into motorcycling. OK, so interesting ideas there around adrenaline. My understanding is, at a quick look, he was a paratrooper, I think. So, OK, so he may have got used to, you know, jumping out of planes. But even so, there's a certain type who'll deal with jumping out of planes. I'm not saying everybody who jumps out of planes is a serial killer. Of course I'm not. If you think I'm saying that and you're going to put a comment down below going, I jump out of planes and I don't. Yeah, I know that. I get that. We're putting a whole bunch of things together here to analyse. So high threshold for adrenaline, most probably. So we're going to have a great time together, he says. We're going to have a great time together, Cheryl. And there's concern. There's targeted eye contact. And there's disdain as well, I think, before we get this big smile, from him, which is nowhere in my mind like a true Duchenne smile of pleasure. Now, of course, we're in a situation here where it's a TV game show and every TV show that you see is an act. Of course it's an act. Even those docudramas where you're meant to think, even interview shows where you're made to think, OK, nothing has been organised. TV is too expensive. Everything's organised as much as it can be. So everybody is involved in some layer of delivering an act. It's just he's not so good at delivering a really good act. He's not a great actor by any stretch of the imagination. The best time is at night, night time. Why do you say that? Because that's the only time there is. He fumbles that line. So the female picks up on that and says, well, what do you mean? The only time. What's wrong with morning, afternoon? Well, they're OK. But night time is when it really gets good. Again, these are things that would have been worked out beforehand with the people making the show. Here's what the question's going to be. What's your answer going to be? They would listen to the answer and then they'd either go, yeah, that'd be a good answer. Or they'd go, no, you know what? Maybe you should say this. This would be a better answer here. They're not putting on a show with millions of dollars of advertising or thousands and thousands of dollars of advertising at the time to leave it to chance with people. He fumbles the line there. I bet he went away from that going really kicking himself, really being internally very upset with himself for not reaching the high standard that he thinks other people will be holding him to or he would hold himself to. And in fact, there is a nice moment where he is, there's the pleasure of the applause that he's getting when he does get a line right. So interesting, but I would just mark the difference between somebody who is a very adept social performer to somebody who is not so adept at their social performance. Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, if you want a great place to hide a psychopath in plain sight, this is it because what they're supposed to be is glib. We always talk about glib. He's glib. This is what glib looks like. And they want them to be glib. It's part of the whole thing. There's sexual innuendo. There's all this above board that shouldn't be above board and superficially charming. Another perfect place for a psychopath to hide in plain sight. I started off a long time ago in this book. I can really like a book in 2008. And in this book, I changed to that in 2017 where I talk about this very thing that the whole world is a stage. Mark, you'll recognize the term, right? Whole world's a stage. And in stage, there are characters, roles, trappings, settings, an important factor blocking who's where, when, and why, so that everything works out. And in comedy and tragedy, those two blocking pieces become vital because where you're at matters. I spend my career analyzing what people reveal to the world. 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This guy was a serial killer who died on death row of natural causes and marks it and all those things, where the guy's getting his little dopamine release at the one time he can. But there's a whole lot going on in this guy's head. He's superficially charming enough that she went with him because he had the right answers to the right thing. We know that not everybody who drives fast, jumps out of airplanes, does complex things is a psychopath. Just because you like adrenaline doesn't make you a psychopath. That's just part of how you grow up and what you do. There's all kinds of reasons you can do that. But what we see here is exactly, if tomorrow you walk into a bar and you're talking to somebody and they're this glib and all that lack of emotional context, they tout the rules of society all around, you might be cautious with that. Because while that works really well for a dating game show, that working in your living room or that working at a local bar probably is a red flag, I would be very cautious with that. Chase, what do you got? I agree with you. And especially on the point about the risk-taking behavior. And I think this is in the textbooks, it's called thrill-seeking behavior from like the 70s and stuff. But a good way to spot one of the tiny, tiny red flags, because there's a bunch that you need a giant ball of these things. So we're not telling you that one of these things is indicative of the whole. But it's just to observe a person's emotional responses. Psychopaths have a pretty limited range of genuine emotions. It doesn't even mean they're bad people. There's a lot of people who've done a lot of good for society that are genuine psychopaths. But they might display some inappropriate emotional reactions. Or their emotions might seem shallow and superficial. And in this clip, his smile is almost glued onto his face. And this surprising thing is that it's done pretty well. In a way that's been practiced many, many times. He's even rehearsed the mouth-open smile, which is something people don't tend to rehearse very much. Which is also just kind of artificially created right here. Scott, what do you got? In real terms, sociopaths don't exist. There's no such thing. Those are just hardcore criminals. That's what they become known for. The psychopath doesn't exist either, because there's not a term for it in the DSM. Antisocial behavior is the way we see that. But now we all know psychopath to mean that. Because of the studies done and all that. Everybody just started calling that. Sociopath was sort of created to make psychopath sound not as bad. However, they are starting to differentiate the two. Here's how it's done. Or here's how this is what it looks like to me. The psychopath is born that way. Because everybody says, is it nature or nurture? And the sociopath is created, in other words. So let's take, for example, ISIS. You have situations where you have a lot of psychopaths in one place. That would be the perfect place because of the horrible stuff they've done. Now, you say, well, how can that be created to become that? You don't go, I'm going to be one, so turn me into a sociopath or a psychopath. It doesn't work that way. Excuse me. What these people in ISIS see since they were little kids are people who are beating up their mothers, beating up that child's mother. They'll see horrible things growing up and it's okay in that society. In other words, those emotions from when you're a child to feel empathy for someone else are never nurtured. And they're actually squished down a lot of times. You're never asked about how you feel or don't kick that puppy. That hurts them. Or don't say that to her. It's going to hurt her feelings or his feelings. They never get any of that. So their father or mother, maybe an alcoholic, may beat them all the time. So many things come along with that. But there is a differentiation in the two. And for the psychopath, when I'm talking about the, and there's a lot that goes on with this, I'm just putting it into a tiny nutshell, is the amygdala don't function properly. Other parts of the brain don't function properly as well. But the one we focus on is the amygdala. That's the one that plays a lot more roles than this, but it plays an important role in empathy. And empathy is not you feeling sorry for someone, it's you being able to feel like what that person feels like. If you say, I'm going to cut your hand right there, to be able to go, oh gosh, I bet that hurts right there. And so you're feeling empathetic towards someone or something. That's what that is. So there's a difference in the sociopath and the psychopath. And I like to say there are no sociopaths. Those are just hardcore criminals. As the sociopath terminology or term continues to gain momentum, as the snowball of sociopath grows. But that's normal. People hear that and go, oh, okay, well that must be what that is. They're not really quite sure they say sociopath or psychopath. And they think psychopath means that the person, if you give them a hatchet in the crowd, they're going to run around and start hatcheting people to death. No, quite often you won't do that. You see so many of them that you don't know are out there, that you're not aware exist because they're not out killing people. They're not out doing horrible things. They're just being people. They're not triggered to do these terrible things. Quite often they're successful. Quite often they're the person that's the CEO of a company, but not every time. But we found that the studies show that quite often CEOs in these huge companies are psychopaths or have psychopathic tendencies and or behaviors. So, and there's a lot to back all that up too, but I know we don't have 10 years on here. All right, that's all I got. You know, there are three bachelors over there. There'll be one, two, and three. Ask them anything you like to find out more about them, except their name, age, occupation, or income. Okay? And we're going to start by having them say hello to you and see how they sound. Number one, would you say hello to Cheryl, please? We're going to have a great time together, Cheryl. Okay. And here we go. Bachelor number one. Yes? What's your best time? The best time is at night, nighttime. Why do you say that? Because that's the only time there is. The only time? What's wrong with morning, afternoon? Well, they're okay, but nighttime's when it really gets good. Then you're really ready. I'm a drama teacher, and I'm going to audition each of you for my private class. Bachelor number one. You're a dirty old man. Take it. Come on, over here. Bachelor number one. I am serving you for dinner. What are you called, and what do you look like? I'm called the banana, and I look really good. Can you be a little more descriptive? Peel me. I'll peel one later. Welcome back to The Dating Game, and Cheryl, we have reached the moment of truth, as we call it. You've heard from the bachelors, you've got some great dramatic presentations, some good answers, but now I'm going to ask you a question. Will that date be bachelor number one, bachelor number two, or bachelor number three? Who gets the dates? Well, I like bananas, so I'll take one. Number one, bachelor number one. All right. Well, there they go. However, you did leave one remaining, and this is your date, and I want to tell you something about him, Cheryl. He's a skydiver, so he's got a lot of nerve. He's into motorcycling. He's also a fine photographer. Say hello to Rodney Alcala. Rodney, come on and say hello. Congratulations, Rod. You did it with the one answer. Well, as far as I can see, Cheryl and Rodney, it looks like the two of you may be involved in something. He was boyishly unrepentant and typically charming. It's hard for me to believe that what I did is newsworthy, and my part in the campaign was so insignificant, I'm embarrassed that I should be getting this publicity from it. Really embarrassed. My class is graduating in about a month. All right. In law school? All right. I'll bet you I didn't worry about law. He was assisting in his own defense, so he had a right to go use the law library. All right. Greg, what do you got? Yeah. This is a really good one, because the first one is Bundy, the first time anybody's ever seen him on tape. And he had helped the, I believe it was the governor of Oregon, get reelected and had been accused of doing some spying. That's why he's saying, I can't believe my part. I'm embarrassed that I should be getting this publicity from it. Really embarrassed. He looks like a normal guy, just talking and saying, hey, there's some little bit of oddity in his body language and that kind of thing. But you would never suspect what he would go on to become. The second one, he is already in jail. He's in Aspen, Colorado, if I recall correctly. This is one where he escaped by convincing him to take off his leg irons. And he's walking along with a box of books he's coming back from the library with and saying, hey, my law class is going to graduate next month. My class is graduating in about a month. Now, zoom out. Zoom in real close and not be able to see his leg irons. Tell me what makes you think that's a psychopath. What? Normal guy, walking along with a box of books. This is how people hide in plain sight. Remember, we talked about stage and roles. Now, let's take his role back out and look at the stage. He's got an armed guard on one side and an officer on the other side. That pretty well tells he's a bad guy. Trappings, leg irons. That pretty much tells you you're a bad guy. You've done something wrong. But you wouldn't know it by his behavior. He's superficially charming and people fell for him many, many, many times. We don't get to see the serial killer. We get to see the person who has set a stage, role, trappings, timing or blocking where they're at. All of that goes into playing and figuring out where a person is. He's hiding the bad guy and just being a normal person. I think he's fairly good at it. Scott, what do you got? I agree with you. It's really tough to point anything out here that would suggest anything horrible except for the part where he's all linked up. I don't know. I would think Mark would address where it sounds like what you're seeing is somebody who's going between scenes as an actor. They're on their way to go in and start acting. They're on their way into the building because he's wearing those leg irons. But he's just talking about I'm getting out of law school. I graduate from that soon. It's just really weird. You're right. That's the only thing that would tell you something's not right there is what he's wearing and who's hanging out around him. Or who's not hanging out and who's around him. For me, I'm not seeing red flags whatsoever. Mark, what do you got? Yeah. You could ever tell somebody is a psychopath from these two. Or even has an antisocial personality. You know, from these two short sequences is lunacy, obviously. But what do we see there that we will see with antisocial personality disorders? There is that flirtatiousness, that coquettishness, that ability, that heightened ability to entertain people and create strong, engaging relationships with them very, very fast. Feels rehearsed that first interview piece. The laugh at the end seems like, you know, he'd worked out, oh, you know, and I'll laugh. I'll laugh at the end of it. So there's that break between what he says. I'm embarrassed that I should be getting this publicity from it. Really embarrassed. And then the laugh at the end. And it seems inconsistent or a little oddly placed in there. Or a little overly emphasised. Doesn't feel to me really consistent. You know, and that moment there really was made for a world of what I would call antisocial media. Because it really is the humble brag, isn't it, at the start there of like, me? Me? Oh, well, since you ask, you know, let me take this opportunity to humbly tell you how instrumental I was in this. Second one always just worries me because anybody you know to be a serial killer to be carrying a box of what looks like files or books or could have some kind of information in it. I'm always worried, what are they going to do with that information? Don't let them get hold of any files or any books or anything whatsoever. But look, no, if you see somebody I'm just coming from the library, just finishing my law degree. No, you're not instantly going to go, well, there's a psychopath, I've got to watch for that one. So, yeah, interesting. Chase, what have you got on this one? Yeah, just copy-paste. I'm good. He was boyishly unrepentant and typically charming. It's hard for me to believe that what I did is newsworthy and my part in the campaign was so insignificant, I'm embarrassed that I should be getting this publicity from it. Really embarrassed. My class is graduating in about a month from law school. I'll publish, I don't worry about law or any of it. He was assisting in his own defense so he had a right to go use the law library. This is an issue. I'm John Jaycee, I'm from Waterloo, Iowa. And you're a man of some authority here. What is your title? Well, I'm first cook in the kitchen and I run the morning meal and the afternoon meal in the kitchen. John, how long have you been here? I've been here now a year and about two weeks. Why am I asking? How long do you plan to take up residence here? Well, I hope to be getting out sometime in May. Well, good. You're going to continue as a cook, use that as a profession? Right, this is my profession before I came in. Well, now, how about the Christmas time? Do you do anything special for the guys? What are you planning for, Old Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, for example? Well, Christmas Eve, the food service department, under the direction of Mr. John Bremer, will prepare stockings that we hand out. Well, actually, they're paper bags that'll have fruit, an apple and an orange, and a box of Bridgman's candy. And this is all from the staff here. They donate this. Then in the cell houses at night, on Christmas Eve, we will serve cookies and hot chocolate to the men in the cell houses. This is around 8, 39 o'clock at night. Then, come Christmas Day, we serve a regular traditional Christmas dinner. Now tell us about that. This is quite a meal. This will be roast whole turkey. We use 25 whole turkeys, or approximately 540 pounds of turkey that we fix. We start preparing this on the day before. This is all prepared by inmates, and there's 9 cooks, under my direction, under the supervision of several supervisors that are assigned to the food area. Along with that, we'll make up 10 large baking pans of oyster dressing. We use 8 gallons of oyster in that. Then we use the giblets and everything, so it doesn't go away from the nice giblets gravy. We'll have candied sweet potatoes, and we use about 36 gallons of that. And so, if they have a choice of potato, we make up 250 pounds of mashed potatoes to go along with it. Along with that, we'll use some 60 pounds of mixed vegetables to serve a mixed vegetable as the second vegetable on the line. We'll have 50 pounds of cranberry sauce made up. We'll make up a waldorf salad. Our waldorf salad is your walnut meat, and we use fresh marshmallows, fresh green grapes, and fruit cocktail, and make up our own whipped cream topping with it. We sometimes go through as much as 45 gallons of this on the line. The men, with the exception of the turkey, which they get a generous proportion of, and the pumpkin pie that will be served, are allowed to take as much as they want to eat. The only requirement is... Alright, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, I'll just hit again. Culture matters. He's in a very specific culture. Stage, role, trappings, timing, blocking, all that. If you didn't listen to the beginning of this video, and you didn't know what he was talking about, and you just saw him in his little trappings of authority, you might say, hey, this guy's doing wonderful things for some people who need wonderful things, like feeding some prisoners. Except, there's a reason he's feeding prisoners. It's because he's in jail for sexual assault of someone. And he is now... If you notice that amusement in his face when he's given some authority. And you're a man of some authority here. What is your title? That fits right along with psychopaths. But look, there are plenty of other people who would be happy to be recognized for something. I don't know if I'd be happy to be recognized as head cook in jail. I'd just be pretty damn irritated if I was in jail for some reason. It doesn't seem to bother him. And that's because he is sucking up and he is doing what those people do best. He's taking advantage of the stage, the culture, the trappings, and putting himself in a position of authority to suck up to the people. He was out of jail in 18 months, I think I read, for something pretty heinous that he did. I won't keep going there, but if you don't pay attention to all of the pieces, you see a guy who just used to be in food service, now he's coming to do some good things. The reason we put that first clip in is so that you could see very clearly where he's at and why it matters. Scott, what do you got? I agree with you 100%. I don't see anything that's out of place here except for in a social situation, except for he's in prison. And if the guy hadn't said anything, you wouldn't know it. So I'm not seeing anything that says, oh my gosh, it's John Wayne Gacy, he's the guy that killed Ellsbury. I'm not seeing anything. Chase, what do you got? Greg, I had the exact same thing in response to just that one question about his authority. Insecurity is present in everybody at certain times, but when someone lives in insecurity, they swim in it, their thoughts cannot avoid an obsession with contemplating where they are in terms of status and hierarchy. It's one of the reasons when you meet somebody who's actually confident, really confident, they don't act higher than anybody else. If you've been around someone who's faking confidence, it probably made you feel smaller or less confident. This is because confidence is actually socially contagious. Real genuine confidence is contagious. We see that kind of obsession here or this grasping onto the final piece of power or authority that's present in his life here. Mark? Yeah, just two other points of analysis that might be interesting to people is there's a very clear what I call clock of the camera. He knows the camera's there. Well, of course he knows the camera's there. He probably doesn't show up on TV very often and certainly not from prison. We would expect him to be aware that there's a camera there, but it is quite nice, that little clock of the camera. Of course, the nearest thing we always see to it is whoever is the office. Either the Ricky Gervais portrayal of that David Brent I can't remember the American version of it, but that clock to camera is the example of the person who's been given that little piece of authority, but to them, it's everything and they want you to know that because underneath that David Brent bravado or show is somebody who feels themselves to be wholly insignificant. And it can be that self-loathing that if unregulated unmoderated and allowed to break into violence can be in some cases monstrous. But of course, that's the extreme. It isn't every narcissist. Of course not. You can't go down that route. That would be ridiculous. One last point on this is what's interesting for me is the when he's interviewed about the job that he's doing and how the Christmas dinner is going to be it is methodical and process-oriented. It is wholly pedantic. The detail that he goes into. This will be roast whole turkey. We use 25 whole turkeys that are approximately 540 pounds of turkey that we fix. We start preparing this on the day before. This is all prepared by inmates and there's nine cooks under my direction and under the supervision of several supervisors that are assigned to the And it's focused entirely on data. On the size of things, the quantity of something, what the thing is called. Never the value of it. Never what is good about it being 20 litres. And never the outcome of that that people because they've got 40 quarts of whatever, the value of that is X and therefore people, the inmates, will feel fantastic at Christmas. It's never boiled down to a feeling. So there would be a lack of the ability to turn data into values into feelings which would signal an inability to really understand people. That people are driven. The majority of people are wholly driven by feelings not data points. You'll know this from any time you've tried to convince somebody of something by giving them the numbers. On the whole, you won't manage to do that. Even the people, especially the people who go, well I only look at the numbers. Yeah, no you don't. You've just now opened yourself up to influence and persuasion by saying, I see you coming. Your defences are now down and I know that you'll give over to the feelings. No self-reflection at all. Now what does this point to? Well it could point to a personality type, but it could point to a neurotype as well. It could point to spectrum. Yeah, and so does that mean everybody on the spectrum is going to turn into a sociopath? No, of course not. So if you see any of these behaviours, it doesn't mean you're dealing with a bad person at all. You could be dealing with a lovely person just displaying this in this particular context. Yeah, and in some cases you'll be dealing with somebody wholly annoying who you won't want to be around for very long and very rarely will it be somebody who's a violent criminal. Very rarely. Well I'm Tom Jacey I'm from Waterloo, Iowa. And you're a man of some authority here. What is your title? Well I'm first cook in the kitchen and I run the morning meal and the afternoon meal in the kitchen. John, how long have you been here? I've been here now a year and about two weeks. Why am I asking? How long do you plan to take up residence here? Well, I hope to be getting out sometime in May. Well good. You're going to continue as a cook? Is that your profession? Right, this is my profession before I came in. Well now, how about Christmas time? Do you do anything special for the guys? What are you planning for Old Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, for example? Well, Christmas Eve the food service department under the direction of Mr. John Vrymer will prepare stockings that we hand out. Well, actually the paper bags that'll have fruit, an apple and an orange and a box of Bridgnitz candy. And this is all from the staff here. They donate this. Then in the cell houses at night on Christmas Eve we will serve cookies and hot chocolate to the men in the cell houses. This is around 8-39 o'clock at night. Then come Christmas Day we serve a regular traditional Christmas dinner. Now tell us about that. This is quite a meal. This will be roast whole turkey. We use 25 whole turkeys that are approximately 540 pounds of turkey that we fix. We start preparing this on the day before. This is all prepared by inmates and there's 9 cooks under my direction and under the supervision of several supervisors that are assigned to the food area. Along with that we'll make up 10 large baking pans of oyster dressing. We use 8 gallons of oyster in that. And we use the giblets and everything so it doesn't go to waste and make a nice giblet gravy. We'll have candied sweet potatoes and use about 36 gallons of that. And so that they have a choice of potato we make up 250 pounds of mashed potatoes to go along with it. Along with that we'll use some 60 pounds of mixed vegetables to serve a mixed vegetable as the second vegetable on the line. We'll have 50 pounds of cranberry sauce made up. And we'll make up a Waldorf salad. Our Waldorf salad is your walnut meat and we use fresh marshmallows fresh green grapes and fruit cocktail and make up our own whipped cream topping with it. We sometimes go through as much as 45 gallons of this on the line. The men with the exception of the turkey which they get a generous proportion of and the pumpkin pie that will be served are allowed to take as much as they want to eat. The only requirement is Well good evening my name is Russ Williams and it's my pleasure and honor to welcome you on behalf of Jack and Jody. Yes I think I'll have the opportunity to to drop the puck at the beginning of the ceremonial dropping of the puck early. Alright Mark what do you got? Yeah okay so look in all of these three videos what we see is somebody who is elevated to the highest possible honor in that situation. So best man there is no greater honor as a male at a wedding than being best man. I mean that's the most honored position you could gain. Dropping the puck at an ice hockey match you know apart from maybe being you know player of the match there is no better civilian let's say you know honor in that case and in a military level this is the guy that was running running Trenton Air Base one of the most important maybe even the biggest air base in the Canadian Royal Air Force got to fly the queen so was looking after basically the life of of the monarch and gets to stand next to what is his commander in chief. There is no bigger honor. So you know what's interesting for me is is this a person who has gained this these honors through through pedigree and through the work that they do or is this the kind of person that asks for those positions because there's a lesson to all of us who hope that we will elevate ourselves by being the best at everything and people will go hey you're really good at this you should run the air base or you should fly the queen and that's our that's our hope but often the reality is for these people is that they they make sure they're elevated to these high positions. They ask for those positions. They put themselves in situations whereby they're going to get those positions because they crave that elevation because it hides a lack for them. It hides a lack for them. So that's all I got on that one. Really really interesting Greg what do you got on this one? Yeah take it a step further. We talk about I started off by talking about culture but I talk about roles by talking about stage but look if you don't understand how the human dynamic works but I give you a pattern and a model and say here's what you got to do next and next and next and next. It gets real easy if I'm not afraid of risk if I go yep I can do that I can do that. I read an article yesterday where they were talking about two people that they put on psychopathy now these guys were never diagnosed I'm sure as psychopaths but had some of the traits. Chuck Yeager. Chuck Yeager who first broke the sound barrier and Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton the great explorer but those guys have some traits but they also had personalities and other things that gave them skills and understanding people so if it's easy for me not only to climb because you give me a rigid system I'm head cook in prison or I'm this guy and you know how to keep going and you're willing to take risk really interesting that you would see that they could rise more easily there's also another thing when you're dealing with that is it makes it mark you hit my favorite part of the whole thing it's easier to hide that other part if I'm a bad guy and I can be stellar in another thing then it gets really easy I say this all the time the more stellar a person appears to be the more you should look at them cautiously because they figured out they need to be stellar in this place does that mean there aren't stellar people who have perfect lives absolutely not but when I see a guy who has no flaws at all chase you say all the time a person tries to hide something in their childhood by being the exact opposite I think that's a great way to look at it this guy his own best friend who he was the best man for said he didn't even know he was getting married that Russell Williams is getting married until after it was done so he'd hidden that there's a whole lot of other stuff he hid and if you go look at him this guy is walking a tightrope at the same time he has rules for this tightrope look how comfortable he is around the queen how comfortable he is in front of a camera it's because nobody's going to see the alter ego that's hidden chase what do you got Mark I want to disagree with you on one thing here best man is not the coolest I would say being chosen as groomsman oh yeah for a wedding I was going to say that too is the coolest these three guys were my groomsman recently always always on my desk thank you man so what we're really seeing here is compartmentalization and being good at that can mean A you're a really good combat operator like you're a good gunfighter B you can be one of these kinds of people and this is a guy who's lived a serious double life his crimes started with this fetishistic burglaries and stealing underwear and stuff like that then escalated pretty quickly to assault and then to murder and our good buddy Jim Smith who was the interrogator on this case was the guy in the room with him while this guy standing with the queen this guy dropping the ceremonial hockey puck described horrific details of these crimes with the same tone of voice as if he was telling you how he put a kitchen cabinet together so that is some serious compartmentalization Scott what do you got? in my opinion he's just being what he normally is being out in the wild because he's hiding all that stuff and he's just putting on the same show he puts on for everybody he's got to be the the upper guy in the status there or status he's got to be the guy in charge he's got to be the guy you know and he's the guy flying the plane that she's on that the queen is on and he's just out walk around glad handing talking about getting his picture made he's doing everything for him that's normal so he's not killing anybody there which he does you know I'm sure later on is what happened but everything is for him looks like as it should be for a normal person that's how they do it that's why we call this thing they are among us or they live among us because psychopaths these hardcore malignant narcissists and horrible people are just out looking like normal people just walking around you'd never know it until somebody says did you hear about so and so and you go oh my gosh I've never had that happen that bad but you know apparently these guys friends have that you know Russell Williams and those people in case he did what and you know somebody always said I knew he was that kind of guy and they may have gotten a vibe like that off him you know but I don't know one thing about that Russell Williams it makes me think he's done stuff before that you know having waited that long to start doing that I don't know man that's the only part that bugs me I think he might have gotten away with a few things could be completely wrong but that's the vibe I get off of I'm not under the impression he would just start doing it then and I you know saw that shot and took it and then every time I think he would do stuff up to that point or maybe he has done stuff that was horrible we haven't heard of yet with people on a personal level well good evening my name is Russell Williams and it's my pleasure and honor to welcome you on behalf of Jack and Jody yes I think I'll have the opportunity to drop the puck at the beginning the ceremonial dropping of the puck earlier alright Mark how's it look to you so far what do you think we've seen yeah look there's a good example here or certainly here's the way that I unravel this is just because you see some indicators of an antisocial personality disorder it does not mean that you have somebody who is going to be a violent criminal of some sort a behavior doesn't even mean an antisocial personality disorder does not mean that you have a violent criminal in front of you so don't make that logical error and that's not a logical error that we are trying to make so you know don't don't organize in the comments down below what are you saying because he scratched his nose everybody who scratches their nose is a killer no we're not saying anything anything like that Chase what do you think you should put those in the comments as many as you would like I love it that's me what we're seeing here is called a facade of normalcy and some of those things are like they take up social professional roles their superficial charm there's manipulation deception there's emotional mimicry that goes on and some severe compartmentalization that makes it really hard for us to differentiate all four of us probably after about 60 seconds we would know that they're probably a weirdo after about 30 minutes we'd know there might be a narcissist after about an hour we would probably say that might be a psychopath and we would still probably all four of us use the word might be I think at about the hour mark so we it would be a gradual thing but even then we talk to psychopaths all the time if you're watching this video you've met several psychopaths in your life and probably didn't know it probably had a great experience and they probably contributed somehow to society Greg what do you got yeah and the reason we would know in two hours three hours of the person's a psychopath is simple we control the conversation let me tell you a good example of that when you're dealing with terrorism nobody comes in with a terrorist costume on and says I'm a terrorist start talking to them and they all have cover stories they all have because they have a life there is a yogurt store owner who is making bombs he doesn't say I'm a bomb maker he tells he's a yogurt store owner and guess what he has costume trappings stage all that stuff's figured out what he's doing is putting that presentable life up in the open giving you everything you possibly can about it so you can understand what he is and not understand what is hidden behind the mask we see that here we see this with guys who have figured out how to wedge themselves into this lattice work with all the right costume with all the right pieces so that they don't look like monsters you can't see the monster until the monster opens up to the person they're going to hurt and we wouldn't see that because we would have a different kind of control and the person who is the victim is not winning because you're looking at the wrong costume on the stage. Scott what do you got? I agree with you this is a great example of seeing a psychopath almost out in the wild for some of them but how they act out in the wild how you would look at him and say there's nothing wrong with that person why people are so shocked when they find out their next door neighbor has done a bunch of stuff that they shouldn't have done like that these horrific things and people are like I can't believe so and so did that well he was you know a loner or whatever you always hear on those types of stories but I think it's a great example of watch these people go back and watch some of these things again and look how normal they look and how you don't suspect anything you know and like Chase was saying after we spent a little while with them yeah we would know something is wrong but we couldn't specifically say ah it's a psychopath or whatever in the breaks we talk about stuff and we're talking about somebody that I had a situation with earlier that's so anyway great example of seeing people that you would never suspect because they're respected and where they are they may be the CEO of something they may be the pilot for the big plane that carries the the Queen around they may be the head of whatever it is and because they're doing that you don't suspect how could they be like that they're killing people they know it by now he's old enough or she's old enough or that person is this they would know by now that you can be in the highest parts of the military obviously and they don't have a clue you know it takes somebody like Jim Smith to go in there and go okay let's get down to the bottom of this and he does what are we going to do here Russ I love that line I still watch that sometimes gosh that's good that's good alright fellas I think this is another good one and we'll see you next time