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>> I am trying to find the way with as much
grace and kindness and love as possible
to get my mother-in-law on her feet and
out of the camper in our backyard.
>> Wow.
>> Oh, cousin Eddie's in the backyard.
>> And it's your mother-in-law. Wow.
How long has she been there?
>> Yes. Three years
>> in a van down by the river. Oh my gosh.
>> Wow. So, how did this how did this come
about?
>> Um, well, we moved here from North
Dakota uh in 21.
>> We did the same thing. Spent three
months in a camper on my mom's property,
but we're on top of employment and
housing right away. And we're in a home
in three months. We purchased our first
home. when we've got five kids that we
did it with, too, by the way. Um,
>> so wait a minute. You spent time on her
property?
>> No, my mom. My
>> Oh, your mom.
>> Okay.
>> My mom. Yeah.
>> And a camper.
>> And Yes. Yep.
>> With five kids.
>> And Yes. But we're at my mom's place.
She had them in the house half the time.
They've got 20 acres. Plenty of room to
run around, play in the pond.
>> And And so you were there for how long?
>> 3 months.
>> Okay. And then you bought a place of
your own. And how did your mother-in-law
end up on your place?
>> So, she waited to follow us down because
it's uh was a single mom only child
situation with my husband and her.
>> Mhm.
>> And she was about a year and a half
after we did it. She was like, "Oh, I
think I'll do that. Sounds like a good
idea. It worked really well for you."
She came down was in the camper.
Here she is. And I don't know how to
broach the conversation at this point.
>> Well, it's not with her. That's with
your husband.
>> Yeah, I've I've had that with him as
well. Um and he he struggles there.
>> He's the problem, not her. She's the
symptom.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He has a hard time telling
his mom, "Hey,
>> I love you, but it's time to Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Shocking. There's been some
>> So, basically, this lady didn't really
even ask permission to move on the
property. She just kind of told y'all
she was doing it."
>> No, no, no. Well, it was a conversation,
but we expected her to be quicker about
it and do similar to what we did.
>> Did you have an agreement that she would
be quicker about it?
>> No. I mean, to be completely fair on our
end of things, no. Y'all just said,
"Okay, that you want to come down, put
the camper back there, that's okay." And
that was the whole discussion.
>> Yep.
>> And no one's ever correct her. So, she
actually she actually doesn't think
she's doing anything wrong.
>> Uh I mean, I I have I lost my mind on
her once. I said some not so nice
things. So, I'm trying to go about it
more politely this time.
>> Yeah. How long ago was that?
>> Uh, year and a half. Oh, no, no, no,
wait. No, that wasn't a year and a half.
I did that. No, it was a year and a half
ago.
>> And your husband couldn't have been
thrilled with that either. Yeah.
>> No, cuz he was there when I started it.
He walked away and put his hands off.
>> So, now you're a year and a half removed
from You lost your mind on her. Number
one, she didn't move. Number two, your
husband didn't force the issue. And
number three, you're more pissy now than
you were then.
>> Actually, I'm less pissy.
>> Um.
>> Wow.
>> Wow. I would That's pretty heavy on the
pissy category, but yeah. All right. So,
the uh on the on the pissy spectrum, but
the uh uh
>> how old is she?
>> 63.
>> Oh. And she has no money.
>> Yeah.
>> Nope.
>> Okay. So, what makes you think she can
move and into Why do you think she can
move into a sustainable situation when
she has no money?
>> She's working kind of. I think I mean I
know she works part-time cleaning houses
and that's that's part of my issue is so
I work in a middle school. I'm a
paraprofessional. Um, and over the
summer I'm home all summer and I was
kind of tracking like how often are you
leaving? What are you doing? And she's
got cleaning jobs that she does, but
it's not very much. I think max 20 hours
a week.
>> Yeah.
>> And I don't know how to brooach with
like I don't know how to say it lovingly
cuz I don't want it to be gone.
>> You're you're on the you're way up on
the pesy pissy spectrum.
>> So you can't say anything loving. I am
not. The problem is yes, you are.
There's nothing loving going to come out
of your mouth.
>> So um you and besides that, it's not
your job. It's your wimpy husband's job.
you enjoy. See, you enjoyed that too
much.
>> You can't do it
>> because it won't work if you do it. No,
there is nothing you can say or do
that's going to work. The only thing
that's gonna work if you want her to
move is for him to have a conversation
that says, "Mom, I'm gonna help you get
a place and you're gonna have to get
your hours up and um by by the time
Christmas gets here, you're going to be
hanging uh your stockings in another
place or whatever it is. I don't care
what the date is, but he needs to sit
down with his mom. He needs to have a
conversation. We were not planning to do
this forever. Um, and we need to look at
a timeline where you I'll help you get
things going and uh let's figure out an
apartment and let's get the camper sold
or let's find you a little piece of
ground and let's get your hours up so
you have a sustainable life. She's not
asking you all for money, is she?
>> No. Um, and I've which one of my
suggestions to him was I think that we
should ask her for rent.
>> No. And you don't want her to stay.
>> No. Don't ask people for rent that will
pay it.
>> Okay. Okay, fair enough. My my thing was
after x amount of time of asking for
rent saying, "Okay, here's a lump sum.
Not for
>> you just wanted something that felt
righteous in this whole deal." And so
you don't want
>> any I'm not going to help you with that
at all. I'm just going to be practical
and look that your husband has to handle
this and he has to sit down and have a
personal quiet conversation with his
mom. And if he doesn't have a backbone,
he can run down to all Walmart and pick
one up on aisle three and sit down and
go, "Mom, uh, we got to get you a thing
that's a better life for you than a
trailer in my backyard. Now, let's
figure out where we can get you a place
and let's figure out how many hours a
month you got to work to get that done
and I'll help you with your budget and
even if he, you know, and I'll help you
get the trailer sold so you got some
money to move and so on, but you do not
want
>> the budget."
>> I'm sorry.
>> She won't accept help with the budget.
She knows what she's doing with
everything.
>> She will if your husband sits down and
says, "Mom, if you don't do this, you
have to leave anyway."
>> She has asked us for help and
recommendations on things like what do I
do with my car? And then when we give
her legitimate recommendations, like
slaps them all down. I have come up with
lists of low-inccome and senior housing,
different apartments, and said, "Hey,
here's some good options. Hey, here's
some good options for this. Here's some
good options."
>> You haven't heard a thing I said.
>> I have. you, he said, "My husband,
>> you came up with all these options. You
are the wicked witch of the west in her
eyes. She does not want anything to do
with any suggestion that comes out of
your mouth. You need to quit. Stop. You
need to stop doing this. You're no help.
You're a problem. You're not a help.
Your husband, however, needs to take the
list that you came up with and go sit
with his mother without you around. You
don't even need to be in the county when
he does this."
like four counties over at happy hour
while he handles his mom. You cannot fix
his She ain't listening to you. She had
listened to you in a decade. I can
promise you. She's had it with you like
you've had it with her. This is not You
have no grounds for persuasion with this
woman. She does not think you have her
best interest at heart. You know why?
Cuz you don't.
>> No. No. Not at all.
>> So, we don't think you're a bad person.
We just hear a person who's exhausted.
>> You're over it. have none of those left
to give. You know what I'm saying? Fix
this.
>> All right. Yeah.
>> The only way you're going to fix this is
install a backbone in your husband so
baby boy deals with his mommy.
>> Yeah.
>> That's what's going to have to happen.
>> It's the only thing you can do. And then
stand back and watch and hopefully he'll
wander over there and get it done.
Probably not at the speed you would
have.
>> Yeah.
>> But that's your only shot, Brandy. You
can't come up with any more solutions.
This a marriage problem. You and your
hubs got to get together because you're
a couple cocktails away from a Jerry
Springer episode
and and I you know none of us are above
it but I think you were on your last
nerve and I get it.
>> It's funny though.
>> It's hilarious.
>> Yeah. Goodness gracious. Yeah. Hey, by
the way, that's a good recipe for
everybody regardless of how pissy you
are, okay? or how far up the pissy
spectrum you are is how about you let
you the the do not fix the in-laws. Let
the blood relative of the in-laws do the
fixing and you stand back with
suggestions way in the distance. Yeah.
>> And don't let them even think the
suggestion came from you. That's always
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