*The #1 Skill You Must Master to Scale Your Business (It’s Not Marketing)*
In this episode of The Tai Lopez Show, Tai breaks down the real reason most entrepreneurs fail to scale—people. Finding, hiring, training, managing, and retaining top performers is the single hardest part of building a business, and Tai shares a no-BS blueprint on how to do it right.
From the three classical factors of production to the power of cognitive quizzes and Napoleon's strategy of mind-reading lieutenants, Tai walks you through his proven 3-phase system:
How to consistently find A-players using story ads and quizzes
Why you should hire in batches, not one at a time
The 67-day onboarding method to filter elite talent
When (and how) to nurture, retain, and train your high performers
If you're trying to grow from $100K to $100M and beyond, mastering people is non-negotiable.
📌 Want to work with Tai directly? If you're doing $10M+/year, apply for Tai’s private client mentorship: 👉 https://www.tailopez.com/precallyt or Text/WhatsApp +1 (786) 730-8374
here in my garage.
I haven't even met you and I can
guarantee that I know the hardest part,
the most complex part, the trickiest
part of you trying to make money. You
want to know what it is? Finding,
hiring, training, and managing good
people. Trickiest thing you will run
into on your path. Whatever your goal
is, you want to make a million bucks,
you want to make 10 million, you want to
make a billion, you got one hard path in
front of you. One extra tricky one. See,
marketing, the code can be cracked.
Social media virality, you could crack
the code. I know how to crack the code.
That's a formula. Of course, it's not
super easy. You get paid in proportion
to the difficulty of things you know how
to do. So, it's not like marketing and
and social media and sales and
operations is that easy. But the
trickiest part of the whole game without
a doubt is managing people. And I'm
going to tell you why. and we're going
to go through the solutions to building,
hiring, finding, recruiting, training,
retaining, managing, improving people.
Now, if you look at the in an old
textbook on economics, what will it
teach you? It'll say the three classic
factors of production are land, labor,
and capital. So, for the last 10,000
generations, humans have realized
there's three things you need. You need
land which in the modern world is more
of a brand. You need a product a brand.
So land it used to be in agricultural
you know your your product was your land
and the product and and the crops that
you produce and the animals you produced
on your farm. But now in the modern
world you could take the word land and
call it brand. Now next you have number
two labor. That's people humans. And
that's what we're going to focus on on
today's podcast episode. Welcome to the
Tai Lopez show. This is on my mind. I'm
in the trenches of building businesses.
You know, I've scaled businesses beyond
500 million a year that I've owned. I've
been in the game of the online game
since 2001. Um, you know, Chat GPT ranks
me number one in history at doing paid
ads and funnels and marketing and
monetizing social media in the education
space. So, I don't know if I'm number
one, but I have a lot of years of trying
to win at this game, and I and I want to
save many years for you off your
learning curve. So, whether you're a
beginner at the game of making money
online or you're highly advanced, um, I
think you're going to a lot of what I
talk about today is going to be
applicable to you. I'm on a on a car
ride back from a business retreat in
Palm Springs, back to Beverly Hills. So
this is actually something I was dealing
with today. Some frustration I was
dealing with just to be transparent with
some of my seuite. So I've had different
size teams over the years. The most I've
ever had is 8,500 employees reporting to
me with 60 seuite people and I've had
small companies when I first started as
just you know one or two staff. And so
here's the universals. I want to give
you the one, two, three of building a
team that allows you to replace
yourself, allows you to buy back your
time, allows you to scale at the game of
money because make no mistake, the game
of money is very related to the people
you surround yourself. Like I said, the
three classic factors of production uh
factor one is of course uh what I said,
land, brand, product. You got to have a
good one. I'm just going to assume you
have a irresistible product. Then the
third one is capital. And I talk a lot
about this. For those of you in my 18
strategies, I talk about this. You can
go to tylo.com and buy the 18 strategy
system. It's specifically on how to
scale from 10 million to 100 million.
Okay? And in that system, what one of
the things that I teach people is it's
basically 18 strategies. If you just
listen to these 18 things and put them
in practice, this you can scale past 10
million. But you gota every one of the
18 strategies have to be put in place to
go 10 million to 100 million annual
revenue or beyond. So one of those I
talk about capital. So I'm not going to
talk about that so much in this podcast
and the 18 strategies for those of you
who get into that. You can go through
the stuff on capital. I say basically
it's called capitalism. A lot of
entrepreneurs forget we don't live in an
entrepreneur world. We don't live in a
you know it's not an entrepreneur
economy. We live in a capitalistic
economy. There's only three main
economies in the world. Socialism,
communism, and capitalism. And if you're
in the Western world, you're probably in
a capitalistic society. Maybe if you're
in Sweden, a little bit socialistic, but
they're still pretty capitalistic, too.
So, we'll we'll skip number one and
number three today. I want to focus on
number two. The second factor, classic
factor of production is labor. The
people you surround yourself with inside
your company. the people who on a
day-to-day b uh basis execute whatever
it is you're trying to do. Now, let's
start in chronological order. First, you
have to find them. Okay? So, let's take
some time. How the hell do you find
them? A lot of people are like, I can't
even find these people. Okay? So, a
couple things. I'll give you a practical
quick solution and then we'll go more in
depth. One simple solution is make a
quick video of you as the owner CEO.
Just saying, you know, this is a
60-second video. Hey, I'm hiring people.
This is what I do. I really need good
people. And run it as an Instagram ads
on stories and then just say, hey, if
you're interested, message me below. And
you could generate for very cheap. Even
if you're not well known, you can
generate a flow of income. I'm sorry, a
flow of applicants, not income. It'll
turn into income. So, a flow of
applications. If I owned a plumbing
business, if I was an online coach, if I
was, you know, had a big sales floor, if
I whatever I did and I'm trying to find
people, I would be running Instagram
story ads. But I liked Instagram story
ads. You can also do it on regular
Instagram ads because they can direct
message you. You can also do it on Meta.
And then you can do some targeting.
There's some specific rules of targeting
on social media. You you can't
discriminate. So you got to re you can't
target just males or just females. you
sometimes you you can't even target by
age, right? But you can still target,
you know, people with similar interests.
So if I'm hiring, for example, for my
company, TLB Brands.com, I'm looking for
people with an interest. They follow
other digital marketing channels, for
example, lookalike channels, all this
ways you but but spend 20 bucks a day,
$600 a month minimum at just continually
casting a wide net. So, the number one
thing on finding people is you need to
continually don't think of it as like,
"Oh, I only look for people when I need
them." Then you're going to be too
stressed. Only a fool does things when
they need it, right? Only a fool waits
till he's morbidly obese to start losing
weight so he doesn't after he has a
heart attack. I mean, that's the foolish
way. The wise ways go, you know what? I
don't want a heart attack. Let me do
this now, way ahead of time. let me eat
right way ahead of time. So, you should
have a function in your business that
some of your staff are continually
running. I'd rather have a flow of, you
know, two new applications every day for
a year than 700 all coming in in one
month. It's easier to manage when you do
it slowly. So, that's my practical
advice. Run Facebook and Instagram ads.
Record a quick authentic video, not a
cheesy one. It can be a handheld selfie
style ad. Hey, I own this business and I
need people and I'm going to share with
you a little bit of why we're different
at a company. Some interesting things
you'll learn coming to work for me.
Here's the job title I need. You can you
you don't have to say the pay range, but
just say message me the word job and
just do simple call to actions and then
you or your team can just reply back and
forth to people. Have a nice steady
flow. I'm always recruiting. Um I have a
system called the 14 divisions. That's
how I just divide up my company into 14
different divisions. Division one is
people. So I have an HR function, a
hiring and recruiting function that's
always running. It's never turned off.
Next 5 years I'll run it for 5 years.
Sometimes I turn up the intensity. It's
the ad spend and sometimes I keep it
low, but I like a steady state. Okay.
Now, when you're finding people, there's
other ways to find people. Recruiting.
I've used recruiters before. You can use
head hunters that poach people away.
I've never been big at poaching, but you
know, you can do that. Some people like
that. I I've never liked that because
then you poach people who aren't loyal
and then they're not loyal when they
work for you. So, if you can poach
somebody for a paycheck, then guess
what? They're brought somebody else can
do the same thing back. So, I'm a huge
fan of, you know, running ads, but I do
use some of the more conventional things
sometimes. Now, there's websites,
there's job boards, there's places like
Toptile, there's Upwork, and those are
okay. They're a free-for-all. And so,
you really got to one out of 12 people
is actually going to be good. And I'll
talk about that more in step two, but
step one in in the recruiting, very
important step is use objective quizzes.
I'm such a big fan of quizzes. Now, some
people think it's weird, but I go, "Hey,
it's like Einstein said, the thing about
smart people is they seem weird to
stupid people." So, sometimes people,
"Oh, that sounds weird, Ty." I go,
"Yeah, either that or you're stupid." I
mean, I say that with a tongue and cheek
and laughing a little bit. But, but it
makes my point that just cuz it sounds
unconventional doesn't mean it's wrong,
right? It just might be far ahead of the
game, might be ahead of the curve. So, I
think using quizzes has slowly become
more standard. You look at big companies
like Google that get three million
applications. They're not doing three
million job interviews. In fact, and by
the way, the homework for today's
podcast episode is called Work Rules.
Work Rules by Llo Bach. who was the head
of hiring at Google for some years and
he was processing over 3 million
applications and they actually went deep
in the science of what actually you can
do in the hiring process that predicts
that you will have a high quality uh
employee or independent contractor staff
member. Right? So in my company we run
them through a series of quizzes. Now
you got to use compliant quizzes. Okay?
You got to use compliant quizzes. So if
you're in the United States, you need a
quiz that essentially is conservative
enough that even states like California
and New York that have all kinds of BS
overregulations, but as a you got to
just live with that evil, you know, it's
overregulation nonsense, but it's just
the game. Don't hate the player, hate
the game, right? So I use there's a
couple companies I'm actually launching
a company. I own 12types.com. If you
haven't taken your personality quizzes,
I got three really insanely good ones.
I'm telling you, they're better than any
other quiz you can take online. And
that's an individual personality quiz.
If you go to 12types.com, the number 12
types like personality types.com.
There's a career quiz. What is your best
occupation? There's a there is a uh
number two. There's a worldview quiz.
And then there's a four motivations.
What's your core motivations? Very
important. Everybody take that four
motivations quiz. But anyway, I'm coming
out with an enterprise version of 12
types too that will have these quizzes,
but you can Google. There's different
companies that do it depending on what
country you're in. So, the first quiz
that I like to use is called a cognitive
quiz. It's not an IQ quiz, okay? It's
literally called they call cognitive
quizzes, but what did Google find in
their hiring the science of hiring? They
found that cognitive quizzes are very
correlated uh with hiring the right
person that does well in the long run.
So, I found though, not that I know more
than Google, but uh I would say I found
it depends on what role. So, if I'm
hiring salespeople, I don't necessarily
do the cognitive quiz first. Why?
Because I have not found that
necessarily high cognitive people are
better salespeople. In fact, maybe
they're worse. like on a one to 100 quiz
score. I've got lots of green
salespeople that only score a 60 or 70
cognitive because their their IQ might
not be super high, but their EQ,
emotional skills, social skills, that's
what we're really looking for in sales.
So, but when it comes to operations, you
want high cognitive. Now, you might not
put the bar as high as me, but I put the
bar at, you know, n I like people 90
percentile. 90 out of 100 or higher. 95
plus is my favorite. Now, that's much
higher. That's like one out of a 100
people that really falls into that
category, just so you know. Okay, that's
a very rare that you that you find a
I've only once or twice ever seen a 99.
Um, so you can take the wiz, too. Um,
but I I use this cognitive quiz soon. If
you go to 12types.com, I I'll try to put
up a I'll put up a button that says
weight list. You can go to the weight
list. If you click up in the corner,
it'll say enterprise. So, if you go to
12types.com, go to the enterprise in the
upper right. So, cognitive first, unless
I'm hiring for sales, then if you're
hiring for sales, believe it or not, an
interview is great because you can
interact with them on Zoom. So, if you
don't have time to do a Zoom, depending
on the compliance in the state you live,
you can ask ChatBT if it's compliant.
You can ask them to set send a sales uh
video of them selling. Uh most states
that's compliant. I'm not sure if it's
compliant in every one of the US states.
So, check with your lawyer or Chad GBT
before you do that. But you can do a
Zoom hiring interview. It just takes
more work, right? Because it's live. But
those are really important in my
experience. Really important in my
experience. Why? Because I can see their
social skills. But if I'm hiring
operations, we do an interview on Zoom
last last. Why is the least important
things for a good operations person? It
is important to do at some point either
face to face or Zoom just to make sure
you're not getting a totally insane
weird, you know, serial killer or
something like that. But that's the last
step. When I'm hiring marketing people,
social media marketing people, when I'm
hiring finance, accounting, lawyers, HR
people, fulfillment people, every
function of the 14 besides sales, I lead
with a cognitive quiz. You're looking
for high IQ people. Uh especially in in
high IQ divisions of the business like
marketing. Marketing is very much a high
IQ thing, you know, conventional IQ,
right? Sales not so important. Um, and
so what I do, and by the way, you know,
if you look at Bill Gates is really the
first guy to be at the top of the fork
list for 20 straight years as the
richest man on earth. He he there was an
interview that I saw and not many people
have seen this interview, but they just
said, you know, what's your secret? What
do you attribute to you creating so much
wealth so young? He said, easy. I did a
IQ quiz to come work for me at
Microsoft, and I just asked one super
hard question that 99 out of 100 people
couldn't answer. So he would change it
all the time. I think at one point the
question was guesstimate the volume of
water throat that flows through the
mouth of the Mississippi River per
minute. And he wasn't necessarily
needing the exact answer, but he wanted
to see if there were high IQ to get in
the realm and the vicinity. I've seen
people do, you know, guess how many fire
hydrants there are in Manhattan or guess
how many windows there are in downtown
Los Angeles. things like that. That's
what Bill Gates used. He didn't have any
other kind of quizzes and he was
building it makes sense a computer
programming tech business. You want your
tech guys. My lead tech dev, his name is
Lynn. He he is freaking intelligent. Um
I hired him many years ago, almost more
than 15 years ago before I even knew
about cognitive IQ quizzes for hiring.
And it's strange. It's funny because I
should have known he was high IQ cuz the
first month he only spoke Chinese. So we
I was using he was using a translator
app. We were talking back then on Skype
and then I remember a month later he
started answering faster and I'm like oh
what'd you do? He's like oh yeah I
taught myself English this month. That
should have been my sign. Of course he
wasn't fully fluent but he got so good
in a month at English. And let me tell
you something for all of you watching.
You're frustrated with your team. You're
frustrated IQ. when it comes to anything
besides sales is insanely correlated
with your life frustration versus life
happiness as a business owner. And
here's why. High IQ people read your
mind. Now, if you go into a Harvard
textbook, this is called mentalism or
mind readading. We're not talking about
like psychic supernatural powers.
Harvard actually teaches. Dr. David Bus,
one of my longtime mentors, he is
writing a paper right now on mental uh
mentalism or mind readading. It doesn't
mean literal. It's when people are high
IQ, they can before you fully explain
it, they know what you're wanting. So
like with my lead programmer, I can just
essentially, you know, tell him kind of
what I want him to do with computer
code. Just a little bit and he'll do it.
Does that make sense? Right. I can just
kind of tell a little bit. I don't have
to spend an hour explaining. I got other
guys. I have some other geniuses that
work for me. And every one of those
geniuses, I I they kind of read my mind.
And if you go to great leaders that
ruled great empires, right? If you look
at somebody like Napoleon Bonapart who
you know will Durant the wisest man
probably ever to live in the modern
world said that the French Revolution is
essentially the most important moment in
human history because it introduced
democracy instead of rule by royalty or
rule by thiefts and so on and so forth.
So you know Napoleon Bonapart was a
child of the French Revolution and he
changed the course of the modern world.
He also was one of the people who helped
usher in the French Revolution democracy
democratic concept which the United
States took in 1776. Okay. And he of
course Napoleon spread his version of
democracy across Europe where it still
is. And he redefined boundaries and so
he was a master of people and he had 28
field marshals. There's an
autobiography. It's a very hard to find
book. I found it. I posted it on my
social. It's the autobiography of
Napoleon. There's also a very famous, if
you just type in Napoleon biography by I
forget who the author is, but it's a
very I'll look it up in a second, but
one of the things I took away because he
administered this humongous empire,
which was, you know, at some point he
even conquered Moscow to Paris all the
way to Italy, you know, parts of
Northern Africa and so on and so forth.
And so, you know, how did he manage all
those people? He said a couple things.
He said number one I had 28 field
marshals. This was like his sea suite
right this is like his sea suite of
geniuses okay seuite of genius had 28
field marshals uh his most famous field
marshall when Napoleon was writing his
autobiography he was you know exiled to
this island he said this field marshall
never failed to read my mind in 20
years. So think how beautiful of a life
Napoleon was having. Kind of like you
want to have in your little empire, your
business. We all are small compared to
Napoleon. I mean this empire you know
there's more books written about
Napoleon Bonapart than any other human
more than Jesus more than Muhammad more
than you know Adolf Hitler I think is
number two or something like that.
Anyway, so when we think about, you
know, building a team to buy back your
time so that you can hire great people,
you're looking for that high IQ because
mentalism mind readading slashing
knowing what you want them to do without
you having to say it is a big timesaver
and energy saver in your life. If you
have to spell out everything you want
your team to do, you're going to burn
out early, my friend. you ain't going to
last as an entrepreneur for years. And
you only make money if you last and you
stick around as an entrepreneur. Nobody
makes money statistically in their first
couple years. So you you need to be
optimizing for longevity. So you got to
hire for IQ cognitive in the ops
department. You know, one of the best
guys who ever worked for me, he was a
90. He scored 98 out of 100. He was a
intern. He became a medical doctor. I
always wish he's actually related to me.
He's one of my cousins. And I and I was
tempted to be selfish and be like,
"Forget being a doctor. Come work with
me forever." But in that one summer, I
he steps just me and him. He read my
mind. He had great ideas for how to name
them, how to reorder them. I just he he
took something that would have taken a
hundred of my hours of mine, you know,
thinking a 100 hours and it took zero.
He did he just took all 100 hours. Of
course, I had to think through some
stuff, but man, if you can hire people
that score the upper 90s in a cognitive
quiz, it's such a gamecher. You're
literally going to be angry that all the
other social media business gurus you
follow never told you this. You're going
to be angry like, "How come Todd Lopez
is the first one ever told me this? This
is ridiculous. How come business school
didn't tell me?" And by the way, it's
very common sense, right? Right. It
people with high IQ aren't better than
people with lower IQ. just means they
compute things faster. Especially things
that are related to money, which is a
game of numbers. Especially things that
are related to computer programming,
which is basically numbers. Especially
when it comes to things like marketing,
which is essentially crunching numbers
to know which split test is winning,
right? So IQ is is just so important. I
could spend this entire podcast and
still not cover it enough on the
importance of IQ. And and know IQ's
become one of these things that a lot of
people just you know humans talk bad
about it like IQ doesn't matter. Well it
depends on for what for happiness. Yeah
lower IQ makes you happier. I mean the
happiest people on earth are for sure
the people who have under 100 IQ. So it
all depends what you want out of life.
If you're listening to this episode of
the Tai Lopez Show podcast, I'm assuming
you know this episode's about growing
your business by having better people
around you, by hiring a better team,
staff, employees. Okay? And so if that's
the game, then you cannot dismiss IQ as
one of the most correlated and possibly
positive factors in high performance for
you. I'm talking one IQ per but think of
it this way. If you're working 12 hours
a day now to make money, for sure every
high IQ person you surround yourself
with will knock one of those hours off.
So if you can find four people over a 90
on an objective cognitive quiz, you
probably took your workload down per day
from 12 hours to 8 hours. Okay? If you,
you know, can get 10 people of extremely
high IQ, you might take your workload
down and just be working like Tim
Ferrris 4hour work week. Okay, it's a
big deal. If you only remember one thing
from this damn podcast, please remember
this one thing. Please remember this one
thing. You don't need your Now, there's
other things we're going to cover, but
this is probably the singular most
important thought and concept of today's
broadcast. Now, I I might not I'm not
going to beat this dead horse
necessarily anymore. Um, so what I'll
move on to is what other quizzes I like.
So other quizzes I like would be a world
view quiz or an a occupational quiz. So
I have a quiz on 12 types. Enterprise
will be there soon. But I have a career
quiz. It basically says which
department, which division in a company
you would work best in. Are you best in
marketing? Are you best in sales? are
you best in accounting? So, I think a
quiz like that, um, that's why I've
developed that will really help you
because sometimes people you're going to
be recruiting for marketing and you're
going to get somebody, let's say, that's
lower on cognitive, but they score very
high on potential sales skills, high EQ,
high social skills. And so, sometimes
when people apply to a job, I'll be
like, you know what, I'm not going to
hire you at that job, but I'll hire you
at this other one. So I think another
good quiz is a career type quiz. Which
type of employee or staff member should
you be? Should you be a leader, a
manager should you be? So my quiz at 12
types, the career quiz, uh you could you
could use it a little bit. I'll soon
have the enterprise version. It's not
going to be very expensive and you can
use it and have every it'll display
everybody's results in the back end.
Right now it just displays to the person
taking it. So it's not really good for
hiring. Maybe by the time some of you
are listening to replays months from
now, you'll re you'll be using the
enterprise version of 12types.com. So
the other quiz, the third quiz that I
like is a worldview quiz. In that quiz,
I asked some things related to honesty,
work ethic, organizational skills, um
you know, cynicism, skepticism, and
you're you're weeding out people that
there's no right answers on those. But
if for example you have a highly jolly
company, everybody has fun and you
wouldn't necessarily on a worldview quiz
want to hire somebody whose score is
extremely ruthless. One of my worldview
quizzes on 12 types, it it gives people
a ruthlessness score, right? So if
you're now if you're trying to build,
you know, military, if you're a Marine
recruiter, you may and you're hiring
Navy Seals, you probably want
ruthlessness. You know what I mean? You
probably want ruthless. I would want
ruthlessness. But if I'm I have a home
business, you know, a family business
and I'm just hiring two or three people
and it's a jolly business and we all
enjoy the day and we want to make money
but we're not totally money driven. I'm
not sure I would want a you know high
ruthlessness worldview person. So the
three quizzes I like are the cognitive,
the career type, and the overall world
view. And those are the three that I
optimize for. Uh, and I most people who
have ever worked for me have taken all
three of those quizzes. As I said, for
salespeople, I sometimes skip the
cognitive. I still like to do it because
if someone scores too low on cognitive,
sometimes it means they don't speak your
language. They don't, they might be
smart, but they don't speak English. So,
I don't, but usually that will be last
for sales. I'll start out with the, you
know, career type quiz to make sure they
actually have the personality that would
be good in phone sales or in-person
sales. And then I also add in uh the
worldview quiz to make sure I understand
their perspective on life overall. Are
they honest? Are they ruthless? You
know, are they high energy? Are they
high conscientiousness? Their
extraversion factors, things like that.
Uh their agreeableness, their
flexibility, you know, their learning
curve, speed. And then lastly for
salespeople, I'll do that, you know, do
that cognitive quiz. So I recommend you
keep this on file with people. Make sure
you do it in a compliant way, but I
recommend you keep this on file because
if you keep this on file, guess what?
You can refer back to it over time.
You'll be like, "Oh man, I've been
hiring people that are too high in this
or too high in that." And you can start
adjusting your patterns by looking at
what scores end up doing the best for
your company. You got to think like a
scientist if you want to make a lot of
money. You got to think like a scientist
if you want to make a lot of money,
right? You got to think like a scientist
if you want to make a lot of money.
That's my recommendation to you. Okay?
So, what I'm trying to do in this world
all day long is cut my learning curve.
And if you're hiring people in a
horrific way, like most people are
doing, right? Doing lots of interviews,
uh, you know, most people aren't good
being frustrated. like these quizzes are
going to take your workload down by 80%.
Now, let's talk about the next thing.
So, number one is kind of finding people
and the initial screening. Number two,
onboarding. So, if you want to build an
insanely good team so that you could buy
back your time as a business owner, not
work all the time, replace yourself.
Okay? Then number two, you got to have
the right onboarding because your hiring
process can be perfect. you're still
accidentally going to hire the wrong
person. So, how you onboard them? And I
consider the onboarding period from day
one to day 67. I consider onboarding
from day one to day 67. Why 67? Because
my 67 steps is built around the science
that uh people take about 67 days to
change habits. So, within 67 days, you
can kind of see if they adapt enough to
your business, right? Uh now that
sometimes I fire people in the first
week because it's so obvious they're not
a fit. But in general I give people, you
know, 14 to 67 days unless they're
obvious horrific. If they're good, I
still let it go 67 days before I take
them and truly consider them part of the
company. So I kind of say like, "Okay,
we're hiring you." Depending if they're
an independent contractor or a W2
full-time, I'm like, "Okay, we're hiring
you, but let's be clear. I I really this
is kind of an evaluation period. I'm
watching you, okay, for these 67 days.
So do do good. Perform, my friend.
Perform perform. So in those 67 days,
what am I looking for? Well, number one,
and this is very important, a hire for
every position at least three people at
a time. So if I'm trying to hire an
executive assistant, I hire three. I
tell them I'm hiring three people
part-time. I'm trying to see who's the
best. I just tell people. I'm just
transparent. If I'm trying to hire a
maid, I I I'm like, let's say I use a
maid agency to send me maids. I'm like,
send one on Monday, one on Tuesday, one
on Wednesday. Keep alternating. Then
send the the Monday one back on Thursday
and Friday. Give me 67 days. Now, this
is called a work sample. So, stage one
is the hiring and the filtering and the
screening. Two is sampling their work.
And in that book work rules one of the
key principles here that laz is one of
the most causitive or we should say
correlated attribute of somebody who
becomes an amazing part of your team is
someone who in the demonstration early
phases they really showed they didn't
show that they had a college degree. We
all know people with college degrees can
be idiots, okay? They actually, if I'm
hiring somebody to for my roofing
company day one, we're like, "Hey, can
you get up here on the roof with us and
put on a roof?" If they can't perform on
that first day, you've saved yourself a
lot of time. You didn't need to do a lot
of interviews. If you're hiring a, you
know, if you're hiring somebody who is a
marketer for your company, you're like,
"Good. I'm throwing you right in. Hey,
here's here's log into my meta account.
What would you change?" So, I really
like to onboard people in the first 67
days. I call it throwing them into the
fire, right? That is not literal,
obviously. It essentially means I'm just
putting you right in the middle of
things. I'm not starting you out slow.
If I hire you for marketing, I'm not
training you that much on day one. I'm
just saying what happens if I just stick
you right into my marketing company and
ask you to perform on day one. This is
the second most important thing in this
entire podcast is knowing how to do the
work sample evaluation phase because in
general one out of three maximum more
likely one out of 12 will actually make
the cut in the long run. Okay? In
general you're going to be at a 1 to2
ratio my friend. 1 to 12. Why is that?
Because just people lie on their
resumes. People overexaggerate. Okay,
people overexaggerate like them. It just
it's just a it's in many ways it's a
horrible thing that people do. Okay, I
don't love it, but people do it, my
friend. They exaggerate. Okay, and so
because I know that humans exaggerate, I
know that my ratio at best is one to
three people that I hire actually make
it past the 67-day evaluation period.
more likely uh I would say it takes you
know roughly uh 12 people if you really
on a one I always use a 1 to 10 scale
but you can't use seven five is average
six is good four is below average uh one
is the worst 10 is is perfect nine is
shockingly good eight is amazing and
there is no seven 1 to 10 no seven then
you know it's uh amazing when you find
eight nines or tens but they're not just
out there in abundance
So, you're going to have to get good at
kissing a lot of frogs, as they say.
You're going to have to get good at
filtering down. It's kind of like if you
wanted a wife, you would probably go on
12 dates with 12 different women before
you chose the one that matched you the
best. You know, you looking for a
spouse, you you better not just go on
your first Tinder date and go, "All
right, you're good enough." And that's,
believe it or not, what 99% of
entrepreneurs do. And then they can't
figure out why they're frustrated. I'm
like, "Well, I know why you're
frustrated. You just married the first
frog that came along. what are you
doing? Like what are you doing, man?
Have some pickiness to your life. Have
some pickiness for the love of God and
just it's you know why I think
entrepreneurs perceive hiring multiple
people at once as really hard. But it's
not hard if you just throw them to the
fire. So if I hire, you know, three
marketing people, I don't do one hour
training with each one on day one. I'm
just like, "Yep, here's our marketing
Slack huddle. Here's our daily all hand
Zoom call. Just get on in here and uh
add value." So, the cool thing about the
first 67 days is I would not invest that
much into hiring and and training these
people, right? I I would invest a
little, but I you want to reserve and
we'll talk about that in part three. You
want to reserve part three is how to
train, nurture, and retain amazing
people. But we're still in stage two,
which is like onboarding and still going
through evaluation stage. So when I'm
going through that onboarding
evaluation, I'm not investing too much
in anybody. Very, very, very little.
Okay? I recommend you do very, very
little. Not none, but not much. 5% of
the total training you'll ever do on an
employee should happen in the first 67
days. Now, you can give them some SOPs.
You can give them some manual, but
you're looking for people who can read
your mind and just figure things out.
Remember the the goal of this podcast is
getting amazing people. I'm if you want
to hire good people, you can ignore this
whole podcast. But I I'm looking for
people that are willing to put in extra
effort, extra brain power into hiring
people that on the 1 to 10 scale are an
8 n or a 10 because that's all that
matters for you having an amazing life
as an entrepreneur, business owner, for
you having an amazing life making money.
It just comes down to do you have a lot
of eights, nines, and tens around you?
And you got to really go through the
whole company like is this person an 8 n
or a 10 or do they have the potential to
quickly become an 8 n or a 10 and you
got to be kind of ruthless and uh you
know making money is a little bit like
war. You got to make some tough calls
sometimes and you got to cut like I got
to cut this person. But you know what?
You owe it to the overall team to have
high standards. Because if you have low
standards, you also are torturing
yourself and everybody else who works
for you is tortured because they got to
interact with this ding-dong that you've
kept in the company. So, so, okay. So,
I'm hiring 3 to 12 people. Like, I just
hired salespeople. I hired 40 at a time.
40 in one batch in a week or two. And I
just threw them to the fire. And there's
a woman, Rachel. She just started
getting sales on her own. Didn't give
any of the 40 that much training. We
gave some we give 20 minutes a day or so
and we gave them scripts and we gave
them and they got to participate and
observe with the more senior
salespeople. But out of 40 8020 rule, I
bet you 20% will be exceptional or
shockingly good or perfect. 20%. So what
does that mean? That means out of you
know 40 people to hire, if I can just
find eight amazing people, I think I've
won at the game. I think I'm a winner at
the game. So, I really want to encourage
you to be okay with hiring a lot of
people at once in batches because that
will also make you less desperate. I
found people some people go, "No, I'm
just going to hire one at a time and if
they're not good, I'll fire them and
I'll hire another person." This is the
worst way. This is a way I would curse
my enemies to do because your brain
works off contrast. They call it the
contrast cognitive bias. And so if if
you only have if you hire one computer
programmer, no matter how smart you
think you are, you don't have a baseline
really to compare. And if you hire three
at the same time, you're like, "Wait a
second. I gave these just a little bit
of training. How come this person knows
how to do so much more than the other
two?" So this is based a little bit, my
system is based off what Dr. David Bus
calls the CVS formula of biology. Uh
Citriteria, Variance, S selection. So
the way mother nature, God, the universe
works biologically, especially on Earth
is a CVS selection period. So the
universe has criteria, right? If it's a
fish, it's like this fish needs to be
able to breathe under water, needs to be
able to find shelter, food, shelter,
water, needs to be able to reproduce.
Then there's variance. What does that
mean? Well, when you have a lot of fish
in the ocean, some of them suck. They
get eaten right away. They're not good
at hiding from predators. They're not
good at reproducing. They're not healthy
enough. So you get variance. That means
you have to have more than one fish,
right? So when you're hiring one at a
time, it's like having one fish. And
then S comes naturally. It'll be obvious
who's selected. In biology, it's the
survival of the fittest and the
strongest and the most adaptable. In the
modern world, it's kind of you'll be
like, "Wait a second, this person's so
much better than everybody else. I'm
going to let the other two go." Which
leads us to step number three of
building a team to replace yourself, an
exceptional, shocking or perfect team
full of high performers. What Steve Jobs
called A players. He said, Steve Jobs
said that was his secret. He said, "I
only worked with A players. If you
weren't a player, he got rid of you real
quick." And so here's what he said. Oh,
or here is how I interpret that for
stage three. Once you they've made it
through the evaluation period, you
didn't put that much energy and
one-on-one into them. You didn't give
them you didn't make it that easy for
them. You didn't purposely try to make
it hard, but you didn't, you know, bend
over backwards and they made the cut.
Like when I hired these 40 people in
about two weeks, I'll pair this back to
eight the best eight or 10. And so now
the game changes. There's really three
phases to this game. We talked about
phase one, talked about phase two, and
now we're talking about phase three.
This is where you nurture, train to
retain. So, I'm not going to
compensation is a whole another podcast
I'll do. So, I'm not going to go insane
on talking about compensation right now.
But what I will say is, you know,
essentially to retain, you got to train.
You do at some point have to put extra
time into the outliers. And so, just for
example, I'm flying I'm driving back
now. Well, I have a driver, but I'm
driving back from Pal Springs. I did a
business retreat. I bought brought two
of my highest performing phone sales
closers, high ticket phone closers. I
brought them with me. Why? Because I'm
spending extra time. I'm putting time
in. I'm I'm, you know, we went to the
movies. We went out to eat. We went to
the gym together. I'm nurturing. You got
to do that. And some people hire good
people and then they forget that
important stage and so they lose them. I
have a crazy low rate of ever losing
anybody. Like people stay with me for a
long time. People stay with me for a
long time. I have almost a zero loss
rate of people that I want to boost. Not
literally, but I mean so low it's
mind-blowing. So low it's mind-blowing.
Okay. So what do I what do I do? I I
attribute a lot of it to the people who
make the evaluation cut. Okay? They make
the cut. They make it past that 67 days.
I start to go slowly but surely above
and beyond. Now, what I do, number one
thing that I do is I do a daily call
that I show up. I do it six days a week.
Now, do you have to do that exact thing?
No. I'm just telling you what I do. I
got that from Sam Walton. He said to
build Walmart, he had to do six times a
day. I mean, six times a week. So, you
know, for me, I'm like, "Okay, I will do
six times a week." So, I show up on,
let's say, five of them. I show up on
five of them is what I would say. I'm
not on all seven. Uh, all six, but I'm
investing. I'm in there. I'm training.
I'm talking. I also invest in Slack. I
pay more attention. I I answer. I leave
voice memos. I leave videos. I bring
them on trips, you know, I get in person
with them. I get in person with them.
That to me is they it's a feeling.
Remember, all humans are driven
primarily by illogical causes. The more
logical somebody thinks they are, the
more illogical I know they really are.
Because it's just obvious from looking
at humanity that humans are driven by
emotions more than the medium prefrontal
cortex, which is a teeny part of your
brain. The majority of your brain is
driven by your amygdala and your
cerebellum and your medulla and all
these more primitive sections of the
brain that pretty much are reactionary,
right? We say somebody's emotional when
they're reactionary. They kind of just
react, right? Logical people are cold
and calculated. And so the reason that,
you know, I I'm sometimes surprised by
entrepreneurs, it's like they're
forgetting on the emotional side. If you
liked a girl or a guy that you were
dating, what would you do? You invest
time, pay attention to them, you do some
trips together, you do some
extracurricular stuff outside of work,
you go to a movie together, you know,
you go golfing together, whatever. So
you you you if you don't do that, humans
are emotional enough that somebody else
will. Just like if you're dating
somebody beautiful and you don't give
them any attention, somebody else will,
my friend. Like make no mistake,
somebody else will. That that's a given.
You don't have to you don't have to
think about it. Somebody else will.
That's um telling my driver to go slow.
Okay. So, um I'm a big fan of kind of,
you know, being kind of tough in the
first 67 days and then now that doesn't
mean I'm not tough and disciplined over
time, but I I vary it up more. I got a
lot more forgiveness in the system,
right? I got a lot more forgiveness in
the system after they pass at 67 days
and then people work for me for 5 years,
10 years. I continue to give them
points, so to speak, in my head, like a
little more lenient on them. Okay, that
guy don't want to come on the daily
caller. Okay, I'm going to be a little
more lenient. You you have to have a
reciprocal system. They call this
literally the reciprocal bias or the
reciprocal altruism bias of humans. Dr.
Robert Triivers is one of the pioneers,
one of my mentors from Harbor. And and
you know, reciprocal altruism is kind of
this concept that tit fortat. Somebody
does something nice for you, you should
reciprocate back. Someone does something
mean to you, you should do something
mean. Or reciprocal altruism is
essentially just the nice side of
things, right? The nice side of things.
So, how can you be nicer to people who
are nice to you? Now, we're not talking
about literal niceness. We're talking
about people who add value to your life
and their company. Don't just think you
should reward with money. You should
reward with money. If you look, there's
a great there's a there's an author
named Steven Pink. He's one of the he's
one of the number one experts. Uh yeah,
he's one of the number one experts on he
wrote a book called Drive. He kind of
understands the science of what
motivates humans from a drive
standpoint. Okay. And what's interesting
is that so what's interesting is that
hold on one second here. He finds that
humans are not 100% driven by money.
What I would add to that cuz I think
that's slightly oversimplistic. When I
do my worldview quiz, we find out how
moneydriven people are. And there's wide
variance. I have people working for me
that are, you know, on a 1 to 10 scale,
they're 20, they're two out of 10
motivated by money. even have other
people that are an eight. So some of
that science that I've read, not that I
want to disrespect a great scientist
like Daniel Pink, but the real truth is
there is variance in the human
personality. So I would never say
something so broad that oh humans are
are are motivated by money or humans
aren't. I mean we all know people in
life that are not that motivated by
money. And we all know somebody who's
crazy motivated by money. They would
sell their own family for enough money.
And we know other people that are
hippies that are just la. So you have to
be this is chess. Making a lot of money
is chess, not checkers. And most people
try to oversimplify making money into
into checkers. And and it's not. And so
the real truth is you have to be
thinking, okay, I'm dealing with Bob.
I'm dealing with Susie. Let me go back.
Let me look at their four motivations
quiz they did on 12 types. Let me
understand their motivations. Okay, this
person is really motivated by material
things. or this person is really
motivated by status. Some people best
motivation is a is a title change.
There's some people out there at least
25% of earth primary motivation is
having a cool title, right? At least 25%
of people are literally motivated by
material things. They want to have
Gucci, Louis Vuitton, and diamond rings
on their hands. You know what I mean?
And then you got 25% of people that are
really motivated by freedom kind of, you
know, intangible purpose. you know, like
they feel free to pursue their goals.
And that person could be motivated by
having time off. They're going to be
motivated by what your business does. A
lot of times people motivated by freedom
are, you know, very motivated by working
for a company that has a purpose. And
then, of course, you have the
motivations. Some of four M's, one of
them is matey. Some are very, they're
just working because they want to they
love their family and they want to put
food on the table. They're family
motivated, you know. And so never
oversimplify motivation. But what I
would say is the universal 100 people
100% 100 out of 100 people are motivated
by people paying attention to them,
investing resources into them. So that's
why I say like this trip to Palm Springs
is very powerful in retaining good stat.
Didn't cost me that much. I didn't have
to get them fancy rooms or anything.
just a nice little, you know, m regular
little bit above average hotel with golf
course and just spend four days there
with some of my key players. And guess
what? It really matters. It really
matters. It really matters. Like I
notice the odds of me retaining these
people is 10 times higher. 10 times
higher because I put that energy into
them because I put because the one thing
I know for sure is humans are motivated
by people who pay attention to them.
Um, so what I know is that everybody is
motivated by being invested in them.
This is the one universal for all
personality types. Now once again, if
they're introverted, they might not be
as motivated by you talking to them.
Maybe just it's kind of like the five
love languages in relationships. Words
of affection, quality time, gifts, uh
what's the other way? Uh act I think
acts of service is one. I forget the
five right now. Oh, physical touch.
Don't do the physical touch one with it,
boys. But um you can tell one thing we
know is the human organism. We're a
biological creature and creatures that
have more resources invested live
longer, survive, reproduce. So it's it's
in our innate DNA to be to like people
who invest in us who have that that's
what this concept of reciprocal altruism
is. So we know for sure people are
likely to not stay at a company where
they feel like nobody notices them,
where we feel like nobody calls out
their good or their bad. By the way, I
think humans respond when you call out
their BS, too. I It's funny. I had a guy
who was we did a a business together and
he was like, "Man, Ty, I don't
understand." He's like, "You're tough
with some of your employees and they
never quit." And I'm like, "That's
because me being tough with them and
honest and fair, but tough. It actually
builds loyalty because that's investing
in people." I'll tell you this. If you
raise kids and you let your kids be
spoiled and do whatever they want, they
won't love you more for that. Oh, no,
they won't. One day, they'll be mad at
you and they'll disrespect you and love
you less. So, in the same way, humans
want to have people who invest both in
correcting constructive criticism and
who invest in, you know, positive. So, I
think you got to have a carrot and a
stick to you know. Now, like I said,
compensation plans is really I need to
do a separate podcast on it. It's it's a
really long conversation, but so I
wanted to just hit on the three
foundations, the three critical phases
that you must go through. And by the
way, don't be skipping any of these
phases. Don't go, I don't need to use
the quizzes. Oh, I don't need to tie
67day evaluation. Don't try to take
shortcuts, my friend. Like the Amish
say, a fence that goes up fast falls
down fast. But a fence that's built
slowly will last a generation. Barn
that's built fast falls down fast. I
worked on an Amish farm and they had a
barn. It was so well built from the
1800s. When they wanted to take it down,
they had to uh use put a stick of
dynamite in a in a bucket and hang it
from the middle of the barn. Just a
small not a full stick, a small amount
of dynamite. And it it you know the air
compression loosened all the boards cuz
it was built so well in the 1800s they
used to use old techniques like you know
tongue and groove more mortise and tenon
that the building actually got stronger
with time not weaker. The modern barns
that are get built the modern stick
houses you know that are just put up
with 2x quick 2x4s and these houses blow
down in a hurricane. Some of these old
barns can they've literally stood the
test of time or 100 to 200 years. When
you build your company, you don't want a
lot of turnover on the good people,
right? So you you you if you do my one,
two, threephase system, this is going to
change your life. I mean, you you will
come to me one day. We'll meet on the
street. We'll meet at a conference.
We'll meet on a live call. And you'll be
like, "De number one thing that changed
my life with those three phases of
hiring and me not at all skipping even
one phase. Don't skip a phase, my
friend. Don't be looking for shortcuts.
No shortcuts in this game." And here's
the cool thing. These three phases can
be done with very low stress. They're
not very stressful. They're actually
pretty low stress phases. What I'll tell
you what's stressful. hiring one at a
ton, having no screening mechanisms like
quizzes, just relying on an interview,
then instantly investing in somebody and
then they leave three months later,
training them, put all your heart and
soul into them in the first three
months, then they're gone. These are the
painful things. Doing my slow and steady
methodical way is beautiful. It's
painless relatively. I mean, I've been
through that. I see people, you know, by
the way, I have a private client
program. Uh, if you're an entrepreneur
doing more than 10 million, just go to
tyloas.com/mpodcastcal and book a book a
time to talk to my CEO on working with
me privately. I have a one-on-one
program. I have a couple different
levels, but talk to them on my private
client program. I personally mentor a
lot of the people that you follow on
social media have been my clients and
I've helped them scale their business,
replace themselves, hire the right
people. So, it's it's a one-year program
working with me. I've been doing it
since 2013. Knock on wood, I've never
had somebody ask for a refund. Um, you
know, even though it cost, you know,
$125,000 a year, it's a little over,
it's about 10 grand a month. I I've
never had uh a person never had somebody
say, "Wait a second, this wasn't worth
it." So, if for those of you who are,
you know, if you got a $300,000
business, you're not ready for my
private client. I can only take so many
clients at a time. But I really
encourage you to go to
tylopiz.com/mpodcastcalendar and book a
time with my CEO or my COO. They'll do a
quick demo call to see if the private
client is a good good idea for you. Like
don't be afraid. You know the average
person, the average entrepreneur is very
cocky, doesn't make much money, not much
profit. But if you look at the elite
entrepreneurs, they have mentors, they
have paid coaches, CEO coaches. It's
funny people don't realize Zuckerberg
Facebook he became a billionaire and
after that he realized he still needed
mentors and he went out and made Steve
Jobs his mentor best mentor you could
have he was humble enough so stay humble
even if you're doing I always say the
worst entrepreneurs are the 1 to 10
million guys cuz the smartest person in
their family the smartest person at
making money in their family uh and
friend group but they're not really that
good at making money I mean 1 to 10
million is nothing in the game of money
right And and so if you're in that 1 to
10, don't get too cocky like most
people. Don't get too cocky like most
people. Don't get too cocky like most
people. Stay humble. Realize yes, you
can figure it out on your own, but pay
somebody to cut one to 10 years off your
learning curve in every area of the
business, in marketing, in sales. I'm
only looking I'm not looking for
overnight success, but I am looking for
shortcuts. And when I say shortcuts, I
don't mean shortcuts like cutting
corners, right? I want to be like the
Amish and build a barn that lasts a
hundred years. So, a shortcut would be
hiring an Amish guy who's built barns
that have lasted 50 years. That would be
a shortcut, a good one. A bad shortcut
would be using cheap lumber, cheap
materials. But a quality shortcut is
hiring somebody who's already been there
and done it well hundreds or thousands
of times. The the main game of
entrepreneurship, it's won by people who
really have smart mentors. I mean, Elon
Musk had the PayPal mafia, 23 people.
23. He surrounded himself, gave him
equity and PayPal. Peter Teal, two of
them went on to start YouTube, one went
on to start Yelp, one went on to start
LinkedIn. Okay? So,
um, stay in the game through humility.
And remember, there's seven types of
narcissism, and one of them's called
self-sufficiency. Being overly
self-sufficient is a sign of narcissism.
It's funny for those of you for
Americans to realize that
self-sufficiency when it's too high is
considered a clinical mental illness.
So, if you're an entrepreneur, don't get
too self-sufficient. Realize you
eventually can figure out everything on
your own, but you might be 250 years
old. You might be too old to appreciate
the money you made if it takes you too
long to make money. Okay, so I'm going
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