Mental Health and Acupuncture: an overview

Healing Hands: Exploring Acupuncture
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Apr 10, 2025
The first of our third Thursdays lecture series this year. Mental health is huge topic in both contemporary culture and holistic medicine. Chinese medicine doesn't separate the psycho-emotional from the physiological and modern science is bearing out the wisdom of this approach. In this lecture we will layout an overview of some of the ways that we can help address and improve your mental health using acupuncture and Chinese medicine.
Hello, how's everybody doing out there?
Um, just last minute rearranging of my tools to try to make it as convenient as possible. Anyway,
um, welcome everybody. It's uh, it's been a long time, I think too long since I've done one of
these, so I'm really excited to get back into that groove this year and keep bringing you more
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educate, empower, and heal, that is our tagline. We want you to walk away feeling like, you know,
just a little bit more about what it is we're doing. So without further ado, I'm going to begin
our conversation today on mental health and Chinese medicine. Uh, this is going to just
be an overview for you guys because, um, subjects just too broad to go into, but I thought we could
hit a few of the highlights today, um, and maybe just kind of whet your appetite for some more.
And I promise that if there's something that you like or are interested in, um, let me know,
we'll go ahead and dig into it deeper. I definitely have plans to expand upon some
of this content more in future videos. So I just wanted to give you a bit of an update here for me.
Excuse me. Um, my name is Dr. Beth Walker-Grant and I'm an acupuncturist and a Chinese medical
herbalist. Um, as I said before, our company ethos is educate, empower, and heal here at
Elemental Wellness. And so you find that, uh, when you work with me personally, or in this
context that I'm really all about, um, giving you as much information as you can have so that you
really feel empowered to make the best decisions that you can for your health. Um, and I practice
Chinese medicine. So most of what I can educate you about in terms of your body has to do with
how we organize it according to the theories of Chinese medicine. And I know that seems a bit
foreign for a lot of people, but, um, I promise you even as a born and raised California girl,
uh, it makes sense to me, um, sort of naturally. So anyway, um, I studied on a five year full-time
course to qualify with a doctor of acupuncture and Chinese medicine. So I have spent the better
part of a decade doing this with my life. Um, and, um, and I really do love it. It's just,
it's the way that it all makes sense to me. I also have a special interest in, um,
using Chinese medicine to treat mental health disorders. So, um, I did, um, a rotation in my
clinical education, doing a lot of work with people who were suffering from mental health problems
from anxiety and depression all the way to, um, other forms of more serious mental health issues.
And, uh, I was trained in the San Francisco Bay area. So, um, a large population of people living
in that area suffer, um, with mental health issues and are living with those. And, um, a lot of that
stuff, Western medicine doesn't really have a solution for. Um, and I found when I was studying
Chinese medicine, there were things that popped up to me where it was like, we have a solution
for that. Why aren't we using it? So, um, that really piqued my interest in being able to use
Chinese medicine to help treat mental health conditions. And, um, in addition to what I had
during my doctoral degree, I also went on to do some more study outside of school, um, in, in
Chinese medicine and specifically its use in mental health. So I have continuing education
certified, um, certification in treating trauma and, um, also depression using Chinese medicine.
Uh, so we'll talk a little bit more about some of that later on. And, um, I just wanted to start
out because I feel like the really important thing to know about mental health from a Chinese
medicine perspective is, and you're going to hear me say this all the time, but it's a holistic
approach to all kinds of health, but also to mental health. And I think that's one of the
things that really gives Chinese medicine an edge is that it's always looked at the integration of
mental health and physical health. We've never made a separation between those things. Um,
according to Chinese medicine theory going back thousands of years. So, um, when you're looking
to treat mental health issues, being able to go to a system of health that looks at those things
within the context of holistic medicine, um, it's really helpful. So, um, it's, you'll find
that it's both physical, it's spiritual, it's natural, uh, emotional, and we have science now
chemical. So, um, so let's keep that in mind as we're moving forward. So from the spiritual,
I know you're all going to kind of look at spiritual medicine. It is spiritual medicine.
And I think it's funny because, you know, really the ancient roots of Chinese medicine
were shamanic. And I think this is part of the reason why a lot of people discount Chinese
medicine as a legitimate, um, you know, practice of medicine. Um, because of course the early
writing, some of our earliest, um, written evidence of Chinese medicine, we talk about
mental illness within the context of demonic possession and the treatments were actually
administered by local shamans. Uh, and so this is in keeping, of course, with much of
indigenous medicine throughout the world where the medicine bringers were also the spiritual
leaders of the village. But what I think is most interesting about this is that the cultural
context within which they can address mental illness, right? It normalizes the present,
its presence, like the presence of mental illness as something that's out of balance,
rather than a sort of terminal pathology, um, of the individual human, which kind of,
I think is at the root of some of our modern stigmas against mental health. So I know that
on the front end, it's going to sound like, Oh, you know, are you practicing shamanic medicine?
And a lot of people do, you can pick up on the roots of that. We're going to talk a little bit
about that progression because you'll see how that comes through. A lot of our terminology
remains the same, um, and it does have its roots there. Um, but the thing that I like about those
roots is that it really helps us to, to have language, to talk about these things from a
cultural context that is not stigmatizing. Um, and, and that's, I think it can sometimes help.
And again, that goes back to the holistic as well. Um, so this is a quote from, um, a well-known
scholar of Chinese medicine, um, Elizabeth Gershaw at the Ballet, who does a lot of, um,
translation work of Chinese medicine, uh, texts. And she just has really beautiful insight into
the language, um, that we use in Chinese medicine and specifically a lot of the schools of medicine
that I've studied and that I like, but this is, the spirits are the spirits of heaven. And she
uses these Chinese characters and words here, tian shen, who lead all the beings to appear.
And I like this idea of taking the shen, which is our Chinese medicine word for spirit,
right? And we're going to break it down a little bit. If you want more information on shen,
you can definitely go back to, um, one of my earlier lectures on the, uh, the fundamentals
of Chinese medicine, where I talk about the shen as one of the vital substances, because we,
we use that word in Chinese medicine, but I'll show you a little today. It's not as simple as
that. Um, but she uses this word tian shen, all beings to appear. And I think this speaks a little
bit to that concept of demonic possession as though those are spiritual beings, but also
talking about our own mental health, um, the shen of us, right? Our spiritual being. And that
sometimes illness happens when you have the meeting of something that is both not of yourself,
right? It doesn't belong there. It's not, not giving you balance and of yourself, right? This
is your own emotional health. And I think a lot of times people who suffer from mental illness do
feel that way. They feel like there's a disconnect between that part of themselves and their
spiritual personality that is not them. And that is them. Um, and I think it's important for us
to remember that that's all shen. Um, and I like that part of Chinese medicine. So Chinese medicine
is natural medicine and a theory evolved, right? Um, our TCM theory evolved. We began to incorporate
more of the natural world into our models. So by 200 BCE, um, the theory mostly had replaced,
the natural theory had replaced these spiritual theories, these shamanic, uh, practices of the
earlier days of the medicine. And it was sort of now administered by people who were physicians
and not, um, not spiritual leaders so much. So, but as I was saying earlier that the root of that,
the language that we use to talk about the thing still kind of remained the same. So you'll have a
lot of names and labels that we have for points or herbs where we use the language of the spiritual
medicine because it's, it's still there. It's still a piece of evolution. Um, and it falls
within that holistic construct of the chi system, right? Um, and this is where we begin to see that
shen that I was talking about before in that quote, right? The soul, the mind, the spirit.
Um, it's also during this time that we begin to see syndromes that we actually can recognize
as actual psychiatric conditions. So many of our diagnostic practices are, um, from today even come
from this period of time where, um, where we were, we're looking at the natural world to help us
identify the cause of illness. And, um, we still use a lot of that today, right? And I, I particularly
like the herbal treatments from this period. So there's a lot of our classical texts that make up
part of our education, a lot of herbal references. And, uh, I like them because when you're looking
at formulas to treat, um, you know, mental health, psychiatric illness, a lot of the, um, herbal
treatments that we use, uh, in comparison to, you know, modern psychotropic medications you can get
from your doctor or even like, um, like the symbols that we use from Western medicine, where you've
got like, um, euthanogenic medicine and things like that. Um, herbal medicine that we use today,
modern or in traditional Western context as well, but the Chinese medicine formulas are tend to be
really gentle. So one of the biggest complaints I hear people talking about in terms of the
treatment that's available to them, um, is that they don't like the way their medicine makes them
feel, or, you know, they, um, they've got negative side effects. Um, a lot of the, uh, the Western
herbal medicines we use to treat mental health, um, are really harsh. I mean, they're, they can
be beautiful too, but they can also be very powerful physical experiences and not everybody's
up for that journey. So, um, I really like, I like the way we use herbal medicine in Chinese herbal
medicine to treat, uh, mental health, because I just find that it's a bit of a gentler road to go.
Um, next I'm going to talk a little bit about the five element theory. Again, I have other videos
on this. If you want to go back to my fundamentals series, you can look at some videos on five
element theory. So I'm not going to go into it heavily today, but a lot of the medicine that we
use in a modern context comes back to this system of organization. Um, so you can rewatch my five
element theory fundamentals lecture, um, and, and I think pay specific attention to the generation
cycle and the controlling cycle, as I explained to them, because of course the overview is
everything in life can be ascribed to an element. And those five elements live in a cycle where
they either, you know, they form a circle where they generate each other, or they form a star
actually is the pattern that we use in that same configuration where one element will control or
insult the other. And using those models, um, we can sort of apply that because each element has
its own associated emotion. Right. Um, and, um, and in five element theory, there's a whole school
of acupuncture based on five element theory. And in this school, um, each human has a pre a
predominant sort of constitutional elements that they hold and live their life with. And so you,
through taking pulses and things like that, you can make your diagnosis and then you have your
treatment. And, um, and the cool thing about that is that five element acupuncture is almost
all about balance. So we even call it like the four needle balancing technique. So it's
fewer needles, very few needles. And then, um, and, and it's all about balance. And generally
when you're using a four needle technique, you'll go back and you'll, you know, you'll put a needle
in and then you'll check the pulse to see if the pulse has responded. So you tend to get quite
rapid effects that you can feel immediately in a pulse when you're using this. And so I like the
balance that it's coming from nature. Um, I love the fact that we've got emotional context there
within the five element theory. I love the five element theory of diagnosis just in general, but,
um, it's, it's a major part of how we use Chinese medicine to treat mental health.
Excuse me. So, um, the next piece that I think it's really important to go into,
you've heard me use this word Shen a few times. Um, and I sometimes, you know, hint at the idea
that there's more than one. And in fact, there is that, that Chinese character Shen, um, as Elizabeth
Doris at the Valley, like she's been, um, trying to, you know, trying to explain it to us for a
really long time. And I'm still not sure we all understand, but, um, I think it's important for
me that there's complexity to it. And I like the way the five Shen theory kind of breaks that down
a little bit, right? Because we can associate a different aspect of the Shen to each of the
different internal organs and get a more complete picture of what that word Shen really encompasses.
And so Shen, as it were, when we use that word generally, it's actually referring to the Emperor
Shen or the Shen of the heart. And that, you know, um, that isn't, uh, you know, about your visage.
It's what the, the, the way your spirit shines through your face, right? Awareness,
vibrant, fluid, intelligent, right? It's all about clear eyes, responsive facial expressions. Like
this is a clear Shen and that's all about the heart. And of course, because it's the Emperor
Shen, it is the leader of the Shen and everybody else kind of serves the Emperor in this context.
The next Shen that we have is the Jur and that is the will, and it's associated with the kidneys.
And this is the intention and effort required to accomplish things. And so you'll begin to
start seeing ideas of like pathology with the Jur come into effect if you start looking at it
within terms of depression or something like that, where you say, oh, you know, like that will, people
like, I just don't have the will, like I just can't get out of bed, you know, right? Well, we now know
that whatever is affecting you is now affecting that Jur of the kidneys, right? Um, the next is
the Yi or the intellect, and this is associated with the spleen and it's, this is like the conceptual
mind, right? So, um, this is how you form intentions and unconscious like thought or I'm
sorry, how you form intentions and you exercise discernment, right? But a Yi that's out of balance
will, um, will elicit unconscious internal chatter, right? So you're going to have like
overthinking or you're going to be really pensive, right? But that if it's actually in concert with
its own spirit, right, it's going to be intelligent and understanding. And so we look at balances or
imbalances within that, that particular aspect of the Shen. Uh, your Po is your corporeal Shen,
um, or probably what most people would refer to as the soul, right? It's the piece of your body
that's you, that dissolves when you die. And it's that, you know, it's, it's the thing that's
attached to your, your body. So it's the thing that lives with you. So if you're an atheist,
the Po is your soul, right? Um, but if you have other spiritual inclinations, you believe in an
afterlife, the soul is the Hun, right? Um, which is the ethereal soul. And that is the piece of
your consciousness that exists beyond, right? Beyond death. And so in order to really understand
the Shen, you have to understand that there's more levels to it, to that word than just mind or
spirit. Like there are five of them, they all associate with different organ systems. So,
and then ultimately, cause there's five elements of very Dallas theory, right? You know, when you
unify them together, like a unified Shen, when all five of those Shen are operating in harmony,
it's the unified mind of the Dow, right? That is what people are searching for the way of the Dow.
So, you know, Shen, you say, you say soul, I say Shen, you know, it's Chinese medicine,
it gets a little complicated, but ultimately it's elegant and we love it for that. Um,
anybody who knows me has talked to me about Chinese medicine, particularly mental health,
medicine knows that I'm a bit of an eight extraordinary meridians nerd. Um, my,
my training in this is, uh, uh, I loved it. I just, I love the way it explains
how a human forms. And so I kind of refer to it as TCM embryology. Um, and there are specific
acupuncture treatments that really refer to each of these, uh, meridians. And so when we're treating
mental health, we can go specifically into these meridians and work with points on them to move
and change. And they just, they're really deep and they're formative, I guess is the right word
to use. So the first ones that form, we'll go over it quickly, are the Dow and the Ren. The Ren
is that mothering meridian, you know, babies are born sort of all crouched up in that fetal
position. So that's the nourishing, that's the Ren all down the front of the body as they begin to,
um, and that's attachment, right? We have that strong attachment. That's what's associated there.
As you begin to straighten out, anybody who's seen a newborn baby does, it takes about a week.
They start to unball. They're no longer little peanuts. They become little leggy things. Um,
that's the Dow, right? And we call that the governing vessel. And it really is also associated
with your will, right? This is, again, we go back to that concept of the, the Ger, uh, Shen, right?
Where we're looking at will to move about the world. It's a very dynamic and creative force.
Like all of a sudden you go, ah, I want to move, right? And that's the, that's the Dow. And then
quickly thereafter, you have the development of the Chong, which is this upright rod that kind
of runs through the body. And that really is part of the purpose. So it's really connected with,
with your purpose and, and you know, that, that the, the independence of the, of the you-ness of
you, right? Um, and so the Chong is sort of where, where we sort of begin to be people.
We're not just still like, you know, unattached baby that's, you know, needs nourishment or
like a willful thing that has no direction. The Chong is where we get that. And then around that
same time, we also develop our dimeridian, which is called the girdling vessel. And I like to call
that your trauma pocket because it's where you kind of tuck the things that you're not really
able to manage at the time. And so we do also tend to work quite a bit with the dimeridian
when we're dealing with situations of trauma. So, you know, trauma pocket, you die. And then
you get into the Wei Mai, there's a Yin and a Yang Wei Mai. And those, um, those really give
you more structure, right? We start to have external structure there, concept of self and
personality and really self-love, like coming to love ourselves. Um, I don't know if it's
necessarily, I feel like identity lives somewhere in between the Wei Mai and the Chao Mai, but like
it's the beginnings of that. And then when you finally get to the Chao Mai,
um, the Yin and the Yang Chao, um, you get that character, like the piece of you that kind of
gives you that, that solid, uh, solidity and surety, like, you know, the content of your character and,
and also connects you with your higher purpose, right? Your higher spiritual awareness of yourself
within the context of, of the universe, really even beyond the world or yourself. So it begins
to take you out of yourself and it takes until your mid twenties for the Chao Mai to actually
fully develop. Um, so we see that kind of tracks biomedically with like prefrontal cortex function,
for instance, which we know that your prefrontal cortex doesn't fully finish developing until
you're in your early twenties. Um, unless you have ADHD, in which case it likely doesn't finish
forming until later than that even. So, um, yeah, I just love looking at these sort of formations.
And then when we start looking back at people who are processing, you know,
either historical trauma or different kinds of barriers that are kind of coming between them
and a really fulfilling, uh, emotional and spiritual life, we can go back into these
eight extraordinary meridians and that embryology and see if we can't, um, you know, just kind of,
I like to call it pulling strings. Do you know what I mean? As though you're playing a harp,
where you just kind of pull that string and that string and allow them to work in concert
within your consciousness to help you make sense of those things. I also like it because, uh, you
don't have to talk to anybody. Like we have some intake. We talk about whatever you want to talk
about. We have a few questions we ask, and then I put some needles in and you hang out for a half
an hour in your body and you let your body talk to you and your brain talk to you because as I
usually tell people, you are the highest authority on you. So, um, that kind of brings us to the
third part of my talk tonight. I think I'm tracking on time. I think I'm doing good.
Um, and that is that TCM is also scientific medicine. I know I started off. I'm like,
oh, it's shamanic. People used to think people were possessed by the demons and they did,
and it is, and that's fine. And also we now know in a modern context that it's scientific. We have
modern research that shows us how acupuncture affects brain activity, function, chemistry,
right? So more and more, um, we're showing that it's positively affecting brain activity in the
prefrontal cortex and the amygdala and the hippocampus. We're using things like functional
MRI imaging to get that information. We know that it affects our brain chemistry. We've done studies
that talk about how it affects your neurotransmitters like serotonin and norepinephrine
and dopamine, which are just a few, many more than that. Um, it also works on an endocrine level and
helps deal with, um, the, the hypothalamic pituitary axis or the HPA axis. I'm not going
to go into that today because it's just too much, too much science. You guys are like glaze over if
you haven't already. Um, but basically if you've watched my lecture on stress, which you can also
go back and watch, you'll understand that that HPA axis is really important in regulating your
autonomic nervous system and your stress responses. And so what it does, it sort of inhibits
that, that response to help you manage those stressful feelings that come with things like
anxiety. And it also works on an immunologic level. We know now that a lot of mental health
is exacerbated by, um, by inflammation and immune issues. And so we, um, we know that
from an immunological level, it works with IL-6 and TNF and helps your body regulate, um, those,
those systems so that you have like increased immune function with decreased inflammation.
And that's great. Um, and then the other thing that I just love about it, so many studies,
uh, were coming up, there was a meta-analysis and the general feeling was that like,
that it's rapid, that it works quickly, that it has long-term effect, um, and that it actually
has an enhancing effect, um, uh, on whatever other treatment you're having. So if you're,
if you're taking medication, it's a safe thing to use, um, to increase and enhance the effect
of your medication. And the other thing that's cool is those same studies are also talking about
how few side effects people actually have. So, um, not only is it safe to use with your medicine,
it's not going to, um, inhibit the medicine's effect. It's not going to exacerbate the
medicine's effect, um, but it's actually gonna help it work better. And you, um, aren't subject
to all of the side effects that, well, I mean, if you're having medication, you've got those, but,
but there's no additional side effects that are added with the addition of acupuncture to help
you treat your mental health issues, which I think is great, particularly, and I just have to say this,
right, acupuncture is safe when administered by a well-trained acupuncturist. Make sure you
vet your practitioner, make sure they have the education and the training. A two-day course is
not a course on how to safely insert needles. Um, there's a lot of bad press on, on people who aren't
acupuncturists doing damaging things with needles. So there are side effects. Anybody who's been in
my clinic knows that, um, I, I make sure that you all understand what the, what the possible effects
are, but a well-trained acupuncturist should be able to avoid those. So, um, yeah, uh, I like this
because this came from, uh, an article on anxiety. It says that studies show that acupuncture is more
effective than pharmacotherapy and comparable to talking therapy, speaking of anxiety, making it a
helpful referral choice. Moreover, research has revealed several known biochemical and biophysical
mechanisms that may offer an explanation of how this ancient modality works. And that's just sort
of like your snapshot of what I've been talking about here, which is that we know that it's
effective. We know that it's safe, and we know now some of the mechanisms behind how it's working.
Um, and one of those mechanisms, as I refer, as I, uh, mentioned earlier has to do with the, the,
the central nervous system, the autonomic nervous system. And there's a, a lot of research that
we've done into in the vagus nerve. There's some new psychological research coming out about
polyvagal theory, which takes its name from the vagus nerve, right? Um, and that the vagus nerve
is a primary component of the parasympathetic nervous system. Uh, and so, uh, polyvagal theory
has identified like a third piece of this system, right? That's referring to social engagement. And
this is the new psychological model with regard to mental health is that we now know that it's
not just about neurotransmitters, but there's also like a psychosocial component where we talk about
your environment and we talk about your coping mechanisms and other things that you have at
place. So we're beginning to look at it, even from a Western context, we're looking at mental health
from a more complex and multilayered approach. And I think polyvagal theory is kind of coming
in there to, to fill that, that place where we go, oh yeah, you know, we do know about the,
the parasympathetic nervous system, but you know, it's only part of the explanation. Um, and so, uh,
for those of you who don't know parasympathetic, uh, nervous system, we're talking about your
fight, flight and freeze response, right? And there's some really interesting stuff going on
right now. One of the courses that I'm trained in, in terms of using acupuncture for trauma response,
specifically post-traumatic stress disorder, where we use the five element theory, uh, to sort of
differentially diagnose PTSD. And we can use acupuncture and acupressure to, um, and the
polyvagal theory to help, uh, put people back into a state where they can, they can use this
social engagement system to help work through their trauma. So, um, it's just an interesting
new piece of science that we're using to kind of work through. And it's, it's a beautiful melding
of, uh, of Chinese medical theory and, and Western medicine. Um, so I mentioned FMRI or functional MRI
studies, and these are the things that really get my science brain going. I start to really geek out
because, um, you know, they're doing studies right now where they, they can put you in an
MRI machine and that you can like see like MRIs as it's happening. So it's a video of the MRI
where you get to watch what's happening in the brain while needles are being put in the body.
And so you kind of get this real time, you know, image of like where the activity is, is firing.
And so we know that, you know, it's happening in the amygdala, it's happening in the hippocampus,
it's happening in the prefrontal cortex. And so, and so this picture that you see here is,
is a, is a brain on acupuncture, electro acupuncture, right? So you've got your
control at the bottom and then you've got a hundred Hertz of acupuncture stimulation
and two Hertz of acupuncture stimulation. And then the top one is manual acupuncture,
but you can see in the two Hertz images, how much more activity we have in different parts of the
brain. And so I just, it's, it's the thing that we haven't been able to use for a really long time
where people say, oh, well, how do you have, you know, scientific evidence that acupuncture works?
And it's like, well, look what happens when you put a needle in somebody and connect it to some
electricity and see what happens in their brain. Right. And then we go, oh, but, you know,
it helps with depression and it helps with anxiety. And they go, well, how do you know?
I'm like, well, it's the amygdala and it's the hippocampus and it's all these areas of the brain
that we know are heavily involved. Like neurobiology knows that these parts of the
heavily involved in how our bodies process things like depression and anxiety. And so
these are some of the cool pieces that are really coming into play, but I feel like this kind of
evidence is really only begin coming more to the forefront in the last five years. So we're still
kind of catching up a little bit, but this is the evidence that makes me really excited from a
scientific perspective. And so I'm just going to end here and say that today, modern Chinese medicine
marries the spiritual, natural and scientific treatment of illness. And I really like that
because, because we're not just pieces and parts of, you know, flesh. We are whole human beings
and science, I think it's like catching up a little bit to that thing that Chinese medicine
has been saying for a really, really long time. So if you guys have any questions, I'll hang out
for another couple of minutes and see if you want to talk. And if not, that's cool. If you're
catching us on the replay, this is going to go ahead and be, oh, hi, Joy. You're welcome. Thanks
for coming. If you're catching it on the replay, go ahead and shoot me an email. As always, I'm
here. My practice is elemental wellness. There's a link to the website in the comments. It's
www.elementalwellness.net. I do free 20 minute consultations. So if you're not sure if Chinese
medicine is right for you, give me a call. And I promise I'll be honest. Like if I don't think
it's for you, I will tell you. And I'll answer any questions you have, because it's really
important that you all feel comfortable and confident with, you know, your health, because
it's your body and it's your health. And I'm passionate about that. So thank you for joining
me today. I hope you all have a lovely afternoon. And we've rescheduled these lectures, so I'm going
to keep doing them, but I'm going to do them once a month. So third Thursdays at 4 p.m., you can come
catch me here and we'll hang out. And if you've got questions, I'll answer them. And if you have
an idea for a topic, if you were like, I wonder what Chinese medicine has to say about that,
send me an email, leave a comment on the video and we'll add it to the list. Other than that,
I think this is just going to launch us off on our mental health lecture spree. So probably the
next couple ones are going to be more in-depth about how we use acupuncture. I'm not sure if
we're going to make them by syndrome, if we're going to talk about like, you know, depression
or anxiety separately, or if we're going to talk about the Chinese medicine theory, like if we're
going to dig deeper into those. So let me know if you have a preference, right? Do we want to talk
about it from a Western diagnosis? Do we talk about Chinese tools? And with that said, I wish you all
a very good evening and I will talk to you soon. Bye.
