The Candace Owens Show: Walt Heyer | Candace Owens Show

alright okay ladies and gentlemen we are rolling in to another episode of the Candice Owens show we get in trouble for a lot of things on the show but I would say the blowback is the swiftest and the hardest when it comes to discussing transgenderism I have made myself an enemy of the transgender Lobby and I stand by my claims that I believe this Lobby is vicious and it's dangerous particularly in the ways that it impacts children here to discuss this with me I am honored to be sitting across from Walt hire he is a public speaker and the author of a book entitled trans life survivors Walt higher welcome to the Candis Owen show Sanders thank you so much for having me on I'm thrilled to be here to be able to talk about this very important subject I mean so you and I got in touch I had done the episode with Abigail Schreyer and her and I sort of discussed what's really going on which most parents aren't aware of in the school system and in many cases they're sitting across from children and teachers are telling children that they can pick their genders and this this as a point of confusion and what it does for a child I find it threatening I find it threatening to me as someone who's going to have hopefully God willing have children of my own someday and I think that if we don't get in front of it it's going to be very dangerous so you had contacted our show and and what was the impetus behind you contacting us well somebody had written me that had watched your show and you were interviewing somebody that said um you said boy I'd like to interview somebody that's been through this and going back and so they sent me an email it's just get a hold of Candace right away because she's looking for you and so that's when I contacted your producer and we get together and that's why we're here today so you lived your life as a trans woman how many years for eight years eight years that's a very long time and what how old were you and you began to transition I was in my early 40s okay ruined 42 and then I began to D transition at 50 okay so I want to start from the very beginning sure so I know and I will play the person that has all of the arguments on the left right show children they say do not have a gender there is no such thing it's a made-up concept and you should wait for the child to decide not based on their biological body but based on their mind whether they are male or female did you grow up in a household where that was encouraged well in in the household that I was in I was you know my mom and dad encouraged you know our natural genders but it was my grandma when she was babysitting me that somehow we got involved in this whole thing because she was a maid dresses and I became curious about this idea of her making dresses so she made me a purple chiffon dress and then she began to firm how cute I looked how old were you I was four four years old and so this affirmation process which you know as a four-year-old you don't know I mean it's grandma so it's got to be okay and so when you have an adult encouraging you and nurturing you along in this way you don't realize that this curiosity that you have as a child is also a quiet curiosity because you're really trusting the adult to guide you to nurture you and give you good information I didn't realize what grandma was doing was going to be very destructive later on so the consequences of her affirming me became very destructive I think it's actually evil and it's child abuse to indicate that you can change genders at such a young age and and I'm speaking from 74 years of experience so it's not like I came to this and just came to this conclusion I've got 74 years to develop this idea of that we're talking about I want to pause there and talk a little bit about what you just said the affirmations that come from adults because I and I tell people this all the time i nannied throughout school and the things that would come out of children's mouths I mean they're wildly imaginative everything can be their reality and our job as adults is to tell them that it's not I had a young girl who was three so about the same age that you are and she was convinced he was a mermaid I fortunately did not then turn to her and say you are indeed a mermaid you stay in that bathtub and you swim around and she'd cry if she had to get out of the tub you know because she really felt that she was a mermaid who knows where she got this idea from but our job as an adult is to make sure that kids know the difference between reality and something that is just within their imagination and there are so many examples she had a younger brother if you leave shoes on the ground female shoes have heels on them curious kid he's gonna stick his feet in those heels and start walking so it's interesting that we've suddenly arrived into a society where people say well no no pay attention to that that that kid is actually he has the authority to dictate that there's something else that he wants at the end of that so your grandmother made you a dress right and you were four years old you know and so then that that whole thing began what today they would call gender dysphoria but it's really just child abuse wrapped up in a purple dress that she made for me and that confused my idea about who I was you actually introduced gender confusion or gender dysphoria you're not born with it you're not born with a different brain you're not born in the wrong body all people are at conception their gender and sex are fixed after that then adults play with this idea and that's what grandma was doing with me and confusing me so that idea planted in my head it really upset me I mean I'd go to bed at night wondering should I have been a girl what's wrong with me and so you know this is in the forties Candis before they even had the term gender dysphoria or any other term transgenderism I was dealing with this all on my own but the key thing here is that not only is it it's child abuse in its results because my uncle who found out by the time I was about 7 years old my parents finally found out what grandma had done and I was taken out of grandma's house and I wasn't allowed to go over there anymore but once my uncle realized that I had been a purple dress then I became his opportunity to be sexually molested he started sexually molesting me because of the purple dress so if you if you realize that what grandma did was child abuse because it resulted in me being sexually abused and it was wrong to even indicate that I could change genders because it's categorically impossible Wow so this is actually another component of this recently in the news there have been a lot of stories where this transgender movement has allowed for a lot of situations like this whether it's sexual assault sexual abuse that it's happening to minors and there have it's they're saying now hey if you can pick you change your mind you can decide that you're a woman and you're a grown man well that allows that girl man to go into female bathrooms and to have access and there was this case and I believe it was in Canada where a man who had hadn't even gone through gender reassignment surgery was demanding that females you know wax his private areas demanding that and then it turned out and now he's being accused of pedophilia had been messaging some younger girls so that for me is for you to say that this led to your eventual molestation is is very very alarming and scary for me because it's indicative of something that we're seeing happen right now and the media is largely ignoring it that's right and what happens when you begin to introduce these ideas that you can change your gender change your sex is you've began the early sexual ization of children which is a point it shouldn't be done it shouldn't be allowed we're interfering with their natural development these are children that are exploring every opportunity and trusting adults to guide them and to nurture them properly but introducing all the sexuality and all of these things that such an early age is very disturbing and today I work with hundreds of people who've been through this and and what I'm seeing is that up to 50% of them have been sexually abused while and so sexual abuse is kind of a common issue that happens with this ideology wow that's really interesting so my question then is were you spending the majority of the time at your grandmother's house when you were a kid is that what was going on as you said your your mother didn't know right she was putting you in this purple dress right so that my parents loved to go camping and fishing so they would drop me off at Grandma's house and they would go away for the weekend quite frequently so this began to develop over time so I was two years into this cross-dressing thing before my parents found out I became so interested in being affirmed in that purple dress I mean I wanted to be affirming what young child doesn't want that affirmation to say why you look great you're this you're that and there's that thirst you almost become addicted to the affirmation that I took the purple dress home which was supposed to stay at Grandma's I took at home and my mom found the dress that's how it got exposed and so then things blew up and the purple dress disappeared but the seed was planted and the destruction had started and that that abuse of ideas began to foster in my head and just fomented over years and it troubled me and you know Here I am talking about this 74 years later I mean how destructive is it to be dealing with something that happened and you're still talking about it 74 years later it's pretty big deal Wow yeah and so you're you then went to your uncle's house and then you said that your uncle molested you what happened what's the next phase of Walt's life well the next phase of Walt's life was it I you know I told my parents what Uncle Fred did and they said no you're a liar Uncle Fred would never do that how old were you I was by this time about seven or eight years old and so then what I realized was that I couldn't talk to adults about what was going on you know I had this thing with the purple dress and B that blew up the family between my mom and and her mom and then talking about what Uncle Fred did then I began to internalize all my feelings I just brought him in and then I began to be kind of a jokester a funny guy used a sense of humor to try to deal with what was hurting me inside because I didn't know exactly who I was I was now do with sexual abuse and so as I went on through life I was still dealing with these things by the time I was 13 or 14 years old I secretly took on a female name while I was not dressing as a female but I was inside internalizing that female person called myself Andrea and began to identify and so you see I was still dealing with this and all through my teens and what's interesting too is that I was never homosexual and I think this is such an important component to this I work with hundreds of transgender people today that are wanting to D transition people who find regret my my website sex change regret people contact me and 95% of them are not homosexual and so the idea that there are this is an issue of homosexuality I think people need to understand it's an idea that was introduced to them about their gender it's not necessarily about their sexuality so they become gender confused and so with that whole early life I was so confused about who I was and I was trying to act it out inside and went on through my teens I had a girlfriend her name was Lola I mean is that a great name for a girlfriend when I was in high school so Lola was my girlfriend she was one of the sharpest girls if right over here not far from where we are and when I went to high school and so I had girlfriends I had a hot rod 34 Ford with a Corvette engine in it I mean I grew up very looking very normal on the outside but hurting deeply inside because of that abuse that happened to me as a young person trying to deal with how did how you work through that this is interesting as a philosophy the idea that the transgender movement is really a band-aid for something else and many people that find themselves in this trance base are really hurting and different regard but they don't have an opportunity to address that hurt because externally now we have a world that is telling them yes yes yes this is this is what you are it's okay there's a home here and anybody that has the audacity to speak up and say wait wait hold on a second these are big decisions that we're talking about gets attacked and that's why I say the trans Lobby is and I say this like is this plausibly the most vicious lobby that is out there right now they take down reputations they want your jaw if you even ask a question a simple question like should children be transitioning is there maybe something else going on here yes and you know you are so right about the band-aid every single person that I've worked with over the last ten years a hundred percent of them can identify the issue the time the hurt the pain the loss that caused them to not want to be who they are and begin to identify as a different gender every last one of them they can articulate that they can tell me what happened right and so so in that regard it becomes a mental disorder which is what I say and I get killed for this but it's the same as post-traumatic stress disorder I mean something happened to you and this is how you are dealing with this something that happened to you and unfortunately we're not able to treat that or or to assess that plausibility when you have people that are not allowing it and in a society that culturally is saying no and it's bizarrely hitched its wagon to the LGB movement and I can't figure out what being lesbian or gay which is really a sexual preference has anything to do with gender dysphoria well it doesn't and in the fact of the matter is these individuals like you say that there's a word for it it's called comorbidities and either have body dysmorphia does it got actually don't know what this word I love to learn comorbidities which means that they're identifying them as being gender dysphoria but underneath that is actually body dysmorphia dissociative disorder bipolar disorder schizophrenia some other issue is generated they've been sexually abused something has happened to them and you are so right to use the word band-aid and because that's all it is it's a band-aid over some hurt and it's a way to escape and this is where the dissociation comes in you you don't want to be who you are so you attempt to become someone else and you don't want to be who you are because you got hurt something happened to you and every case is different but so many of them deal with abuse that we can't ignore the fact that individuals who are struggling deeply need good psychotherapy but yet the opposition wants to take away the opportunity for the people to have access to psychotherapy the very thing that would actually help them prevent an unnecessary gender change surgery and hormones that I went through Wow this is so important so so let's go back to high school so you've got a girlfriend you're living a you know externally you're living a very normal life absolutely internally there's a lot of conflict going on right what happens next well you know then I told Lola joy Fitz I said you know I'm struggling with these issues and there was another opportunity for me to see how that was gonna work and in dealing with telling somebody something well she let me go so I I realized that I couldn't talk about it to anybody so I couldn't talk about the sexual abuse it couldn't talk about the purple dress now I can't talk about what I'm struggling with so I ended up eventually getting married I was an executive for American Honda Motor Company actually worked on the Apollo space mission so I wasn't a complete buffoon so I was associate design engineer working on NASA specifications for many years and then went on to work in the auto industry but I was still struggling with that purple dress with the the abuse that happened to me at seven I had not had the kind of therapy that I needed to deal with those issues and so I was married had two children began to use alcohol and drugs to try to cope with that now I'm I've got a great job at Honda and the drugs and alcohol are catching up with me and so I thought the way to solve this was to go to a gender therapist and so I went to one in San Francisco and he was recognized to the number one gender therapist in the country at the time he was so knowledgeable he was actually the original author of the W path standards of care that we have today I mean that's how renowned he was and I went in and told him my story that just like I'm telling you today and he says well you're have gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder and you need to have hormones and surgery to resolve this and I thought to myself oh let's pretty radical and so he said but you need to come back next week and we'll talk about it so I went back a week later and he said you know at the end of the session he handed me a letter of approval to undergo gender reassignment surgery after the second session and here's a is a Shinto get hormones now this sounds crazy right that happens every day today and that was in 1983 nothing has changed since 1983 to today don't let them tell you that they go through some exhaustive psychological counseling because it's absolute baloney it does they just approve approve approve affirm affirm affirm give them hormones give them surgery it's an assembly line and so it hasn't changed so you know married at the time and and I'm I'm married for 16 years and I I told my wife what was going on and we struggled with this as a husband and wife and with the kids and I'm going I need I need to deal with that sexual abuse I need to deal with what happened as a child and those abuses now are boiling up by that this time I'm now 41 40 coming up on 42 and I didn't know how to resolve them there's nobody out there there's no wall tire saying watch out there are comorbidities there's issues you need to deal with you really need therapy and so with without that context to be able to deal with these issues I went ahead and started taking female hormones and started going through the process and then once this process started I I was you know it this is 1983 it wasn't like it is today you're dealing with internalizing so much of this and so I had the affirmation from the psychologist who says you need this I divorced my wife in April of 1983 underwent gender reassignment surgery at Trinidad Colorado and became Laura Jensen well once Honda found out about it they terminated me they put all my stuff in a box I was an executive I was the national operations managers for the ports of entry I had a great job and they put my stuff in a box and waltz me to the gate and I was dismissed I wanna I want to go back to you saying that the doctor said yes this is what you need and then you made the decision then to divorce your family and because I had I had hit on that in an earlier episode of the show which was that when all of society people that you trust right you go to a doctor and you trust them to give you an assessment you trust that they're the experts and that they're trying to help you and not hurt you and this is a big part of the problem with the transgender movement and it's not that these parents are doing this in bad faith right their kid says something and parents consult online they go online they get they making a plumber with their dogs or they go to the doctor and they say I really want to help I want to help my kid my kids said this rather than a doctor saying hey you know kids say weird stuff right or maybe you should go go speak to a psychologist and see if something happened to the child they are saying now here your kid needs a pill they need to fully change who they are they were born into the wrong body and you did this this was a trust you had with your doctor so you basically said goodbye come to your entire life as you knew it and went through with gender reassignment surgery which is I meet was there any what was the prep up to that I mean is there well there isn't any prep you know they talk about you can question your gender people should be questioning the psychologist and approving process that's what they should be questioning they should actually be going to people who oppose doing this and get a balanced idea of this but they have now captured this entire audience once somebody gets the idea in their head that they're born in the wrong body that this is the process you need hormones and surgery and what's so interesting about this Candice in in 1979 there was an endocrinologist who had worked at a hospital at Harry Benjamin's own gender clinic in New York and he had been working with 500 transgender individuals over a six-year period as a he was a homosexual activist for transgender surgeries had approved all of these and worked with these individuals 1979 he came out and said I'm going to become a psychiatrist because as a result of these six and these 500 people I've seen it's causing too much unhappiness and causing too many suicides suicide rates up and I said it's the only way that I feel like I can help them has become a psychiatric doctor because this idea that we can give them hormones and surgery only deals with surface issues it doesn't go deep enough to resolve the deeper issues I'm gonna do that as a psychiatric doctor I want to help them so we had we had this news in 1979 that hormones and surgeries not the answer he said it's only a temporary reprieve that's his quote not mine right and the thing is is and that's exactly right the suicide rates of people that transition are astronomical 19 times higher 19 times higher and our media ignores that yes in favor us of some virtue singling idea that this is progressive at accepting every idea and what a person is feeling that somehow progress have been going to help save the world and Candice they're even using the the idea that you can transition people as a suicide prevention you know they say this is a way to prevent suicide it's nonsense the actual surgical process changing genders is causing them to attempt and commit suicide 19 times greater than the general population it is actually the hormones and surgery that is causing the suicides it's not Society it's the lack of people digging into the comorbidities and looking ATS what's causing them to want to commit suicide we know today that ninety percent of all suicides are result of depression and depression is never treated in this group they treat depression with hormones and surgery I mean it's insane to treat depression with hormones and surgery but that's what they do the amount of hormones that you have to take is is a lot right I mean well how does that impact you I want talk about just the the emotional state that you're in when you're taking so many hormones every single day day in and day out well you know the initial start before you undergo the complete change of genitalia and that sort of thing is that it has this kind of calming effect it's almost like a drug and I think you become addicted to that calming it's a and I think that's part of the problem not only is it unnecessary but it begins to alter the way you think feel and behave and put you in this calming state and for that reason I think that's why doctor that doctor I spoke about said this is not good we shouldn't be doing this because eventually you wind down on the hormones because of the surgeries done then the depression begins to build and so that that glow if you want to call it that is no longer there you begin to face the reality that this isn't working I have confusion about my gender now that after I've changed my gender it didn't go away you had a worry assignment and and you heal and what were the things that are going through your head well I'm going you know can I can you really change into a woman and then you start to realize that wow it is categorically impossible in fact it's a shame that women don't stand up and say you know women are much more than a man with this alter genitalia and hormones in them I mean women are really special beautiful individuals and to say that they're nothing more than a man with altered genitals and hormones is pretty important it's pretty abhorrent and and that's a shot at the modern feminist movement in my opinion and we're starting to see now ways in which they don't intersect which they are trying to intersect but doesn't really work when you suddenly say that men can jump in into female events Olympic events and and they can compete at a higher obviously they're they're performing much better than women are because they are biologically different but this this is what the transgender Lobby has bred and we don't have enough people that are strong enough to stand up and speak out and say this is absolutely wrong and and so you're right it is an insult to being a woman and to femininity but it's it's it's jarring to me so you you did all of this and according to your doctor and maybe not society at the time it's not as popularized then as it is now you should be fine right yeah but what you realize is and this is when I get the letters from the people who write me they say I realize I can't be a woman I'm not a woman and what they really are these men who dress up in women's clothes are not transgender they're men in women's clothes they're not women they can never be women and for me to have to address them as women is is really kind of upsetting because they're not their men in dresses they're there it's like Halloween every day that's what came up for me it's like I'm just living out Halloween is a Halloween costume you're mimicking you're trying to mimic in this very childlike way what a woman is and yes they can look like women in many cases many of them don't but they can look like a woman but they're never gonna be women it's not possible why are we allowing our society to address these people at women like you mentioned in the athletic area this is crazy it's they're not women and then what's crazy also is this idea that now I have to use the correct pronouns to make somebody else feel okay and you're considered a monster if somebody you know views themself as a woman you don't call that person as she or if someone views themself as a man you don't call that that person to mister you're viewed as a monster so we now are unfortunately gearing towards society which is saying that if you have two eyes and nothing's wrong with you right and you see reality for what it is I see a cat and I call it a cat I see a dog and I call it a dog you're a bigot yeah how did we get here well the these advocates have taken control of speech they've taken control of society they're putting it in our schools are teaching kids at a young age you know Society a healthy psychological society is built on families and kids are the core of the next generation and if we're ripping our kids apart in school with this ideology we're ruining even the next generation and this is why it's so critical to address this issue we should not be teaching children in school that they can change genders it's not a vending machine for genders this is a critical issue that needs to be removed from the school LGBT material doesn't need to be in our public schools reading writing arithmetic is what we need in our schools not LGBT agenda stuff you know what you just said a very important word family and and this is what I have gotten nine this has been a conclusion that I have drawn that ultimately what we're seeing is this push to ultimately break down the family the men think they're women the women want to go out and act like men and they want everybody to say oh this is this is normal this is progressive and they're destroying the nuclear family unit and and I think that even within that is what is the goal of that why are we seeing this push to destroy what was once since it at a normal family yeah I believe that the you know to me it looks deliberate I can't say it's deliberate right we don't know but it looks like it's deliberate to to tear down every foundational part of society and family and children are at the core of it and you ruin this you ruin everything yeah it becomes chaos and and then some gate and from chaos you can see it allows government to grow because that's what they're really demanding they're they're demanding more governance in all of these areas and things that once made sense they're basically trying to confuse every single person that's there and you said earlier and I want to talk about that and address it this over-sexualization of children is really bizarre to me yeah I do that we should be teaching children this up at such a young age you know before prepubescent and talking about this stuff is confusing to a child as I as I've mentioned on previous episodes there was a two-year stint I think fourth and fifth grade where I wanted to be like the boys cuz they looked like they were having more fun so I used to like try to talk in a deeper voice and when I've gone and play recess I would run around with the guys I thought girls were so lame and I'd wear bag to your clothes and then you know what happened I hit puberty and suddenly I thought the guys were cute fortunately at that time when I was running around saying I want to be a boy my mom didn't say shave your head and and called me Michael she didn't do any of that it was you're still Candace you're a girl you're gonna grow up out of this this tomboy phase as I like to think of it as and now we have an entirely different world and it's really scary to see and to listen to the path that your grandmother put you in a purple dress and you went all the way through to gender reassignment surgery and woke up one day and how eight years later what were those eight years like living as a woman well they were some of it was good you know I thought I was okay you know but then there were those those bouts of you know you're really not a woman I mean in that quiet moment you go you really this is all kind of nonsense and and those are the moments where you come to this reality and and then you begin to question it but you don't know what to do with it you've got it you've done it and then how difficult is it to admit you made such a big mistake you've just totally destroyed your life now how do you rebuild it and it wasn't until I was studying psychology at UC Santa Cruz and I cracked open a book where there was a study about a boy who became a girl in there and and I read the story and what happened was his mother had died it was very close to his mother and and he they said took on his mother's identity as a female so he would feel like he was still close to her and the term that they used in the book for that was separation anxiety and I thought whoa this is a psychological disorder that was the turning point for me looking at this as more of a disorder and began to look at what happened to me as being causal to wanting me to not be who I was and having an effect on my psyche and what I've realized is that many of the people that I've worked with who've been sexually abused boys as an example if they were sexually abused want to rid themselves of their genitalia so that they will never be sexually abused again it's not so much that they want to be a female it's that that's their defense mechanism for not being abused that's what caused them they feel in their head to be abused so if it's gone then I'm safe and in the female who becomes a male then they will put on the idea that they're a man as a way to defend against men trying to abuse them sexually that is so interesting because I I do remember reading a story about a woman and you know she was overweight by like 400 pounds and when it really happened was she was sexually abused when she was young and eating and making herself look at this absolutely came with defense mechanisms that men wouldn't look at her ever want to sexually assault her again and and then she got addicted to the food and obviously she ended up in a different space because she had never addressed that sexual assault she ended up being overweight so and being clinically obese so what you're saying is this is another is just another lane of the exact same thing it can to be another lane of the exact same thing absolutely it in many ways these are defense mechanisms against hurt against pain against loss Candice when people write me and tell me that they they regret having done it and I write back and say tell me about your childhood wow and usually within two or three emails I can find out that they had a dad who abused them a dad who was abandoned them something happened and that this is what I always say something happened to them if we can spend enough time to dig in and find out what happened to them then we can begin to treat that what happened and avoid giving them unnecessary hormones and avoid changing and altering their body forever in this and then we can reduce the suicides then we can address the issue that you don't have to go to that vending machine and pick a gender you need to go to a good effective kind psychotherapist who can identify the comorbid disorder or the issue that you had that caused you to not want to be who you are then we can begin to address these issues and begin to save children's lives and begin to understand that in this category of people who identify as transgender adults as an example people have never heard this word in many cases there's a term called Auto gyno philia and men who come out as a transgender person are suffering from what's called Auto gyno philia and that is a sexual fetish disorder and many of them or were married men and what they do is they dress up as a female and look at themselves in the mirror they got all the makeup everything is on and they're looking at themselves they become the object of their own affection Wow and that's called Auto gyno philia and that's one of the primary issues in older adults they're not transgender they're suffering from auto gyno philia then you have another one is called a transvestite fetish where these adult men will attach themselves to some garment of clothing and become aroused by it they're not transgender they're dealing with a what is called a transvestite fetish disorder but we're not allowing people to go to therapy to address these issues and so we have many disorders you know people some of them are just plain old cross dressers they really don't want surgery they're just cross dressers do it for the fun of it but they get identified with gender dysphoria then they unnecessarily go through surgery and have hormones and then write later and say I never should have done that I really wasn't you know somebody who needed surgery right and so we have this literally masses I get them every single day from somebody writing me saying this was a mistake can you help me I have the regret issues can to start as early as nine days after surgery oh my goodness nine days we've had someone contact kinase after surgery post-op to as many as thirty years after surgery I've had to at thirty years saying it took me 15 years to admit that it was a mistake because is so hard to admit that it was a mistake and it took you eight years for you to say this was a mistake yeah what was that moment like for you what was the moment where you said this was a mistake and I need to do something to reverse this mistake yeah well it was the biggest emotional breakdown that I've ever had I mean I collapsed under the weight of it and what I had done is I had gone to a psychotherapist on Wilshire Boulevard and talked to them extensively and they said you know you were dealing with child abuse and you were dealing with these other issues that should have been properly addressed and that therapist at that time said I don't think you're gonna be able to D transition because you're so entrenched into this life that you're in and I think her saying that actually made it possible for me to go oh yeah I'll get this done and so it was that determination to make her wrong and I I continue to fight back and I've D transitioned in 1990 so we're almost 30 years into my D transition wow so what is the process of D transitioning well the process of D transitioning can take on a lot of different forms and first off you stop taking any female hormones second off you take off any breast enhancements you get any other surgeries that you can possibly get some people go for what's known as the phalloplasty which is male genitalia put back on it's the same process that used for the female who wants to be a male but we should understand that the surgery is not all that effective it's not going to function like it should or did originally it's more of a cosmetic process and so that can actually be more detrimental to people to go through that and realize that you know they lost all of that what they had and people who go through D transition really need to be very strong emotionally if they need to be very strong psychologically they have to be clean and sober to be able to do this because it is really a difficult process and it will take one to two years like it did for me but I was surrounded by good psychotherapists and good people and some of them in my church and some of them I lived with a pastor for a while and so you know it takes a lot of people to come around somebody and help them through this process and that's what I do I try to work with people who contact me I've gone and met with them personally I'm working with a schoolteacher right now with a pharmacist I've worked with airline pilots and many other people but I try to get them into a group that can help and support them through the process many people who regret will never D transition because they just see it as too big of a task and that's understandable and I actually almost feel that conversations like this this is actually supporting the transgender community this is actually saying to them you know there's other routes you can take there might be something that happened to you that you have it hasn't been addressed and when you try to blanket say all of you guys immediately ask you to transition to it into a different sex it's it's so wrong it's different gender it is so wrong and it's so wrong it's it's gender me it's mutilation its body mutilation and and you're just readily saying that someone after seeing them 1 or 2 times if this is exactly the route that they should take no questions asked which brings me to my next question yes do you think we will start to see the rise of lawsuits yes there already have been but they get them sealed and interesting and so they don't go public I know personally somebody who won a lawsuit big time and so these lawsuits don't get the public attention and they're willing to settle but they'll settle only if no one knows about it interesting and so there's they're able to tamp down any of the the voices that are oppositional by keeping these things secret there's a lot of people winning lawsuits you I never know about it I hope that these people become you know the next person that steps up but there's an example of someone who does it publicly and and and I know that's hard because you're already dealing with the emotional trauma realizing you've made a decision but we need to start putting people these doctors I mean they should know better than this to be giving people hormones as a permanent solution and and telling them and transition you are literally ruining someone's life and you know the statistics these doctors know the statistics of suicide that happened when somebody makes a permanent transition so to be glorifying this to see this now being glorified in the media right to see a Caitlyn Jenner on the cover of what magazine was it Vanity Fair and and and seeing this one of the sweeping celebration winning awards that's not that's not what transgenderism and tradition is all about we know that we know that it's a struggle we we have assistance we can look at the research and say and yet it's being glamorized we don't know how Caitlyn's gonna feel eight years ten years twenty years down the line that's right and we know from even that interview that Caitlyn did on ABC Caitlyn at one time said came out doing some surgery or something and that night paced the floor thinking about suicide Wow that that's on their own film so we know that these things trigger you know you have a lot of emotional deep emotional issues but you know we're dealing with a population who needs help they they need help they but they need people to help them identify what's causing them to feel this way thankfully I came to this through a psychotherapist and with other people and and been able to walk back and now working with people I see them as an example go to psychotherapy and ACG if they would have done that with me before I had hormones or before I had surgery I never would have done it and now what I'm seeing Candis is people from 18 19 20 and 21 years old contacting me because they changed so quickly at 18 because it was legal and then they go I shouldn't have done it I'm working with a nice young lady in Georgia right now and with another man in another state who just he said it was a mistake I don't know why they told me that hormones and surgery was the best thing for me because it's not it's ruin my life I'll never have children that's the saddest part that it's a permit decision you will never be able to have children again and yet again we have this this is cultural brainwashing that's taking place at the highest levels of society I mean Meghan Markel publicly stating we're gonna let our child choose their gender do you know what harm that does when you begin to normalize something like that and no one's having the conversations publicly that you and I are having culturally there aren't there aren't many shows that are tackling this issue because people don't want to be prompt some imaginary blacklist I mean look what happened to Mario Lopez he said the most non-controversial thing ever on this show which is I don't think children you know she'd be making current decisions I think you know baby to wait and become an adult before they make big decisions they asked for his show to be canceled they made his show issue and apology saying they this does not reflect our review point they may seem like this was some attack on people on that and that what he said was progressive that's called common sense common sense children do not have the authority to make permit otherwise we called him adults yeah well Mario was right and it's too bad that he couldn't put on his big-boy pants and step up and stick with it it's hard he's in Hollywood yeah and so but I admired him for speaking out I'm sorry that he had to back down on it but so we're dealing with people's lives here and it's medical malpractice in my view yes to give people who nelson surgery and and in my view these surgeons and doctors should be prosecuted for abusing people to this degree changing their lives altering them to such degree that they want to commit suicide as a way to resolve what happened to them what about the adults even in the home I mean I talked about Charlize Theron having a four year old swim in a bathtub and say mommy I'm a boy and now Charlize Theron dresses her little girl up as a boy okay hmm that's child abuse that is child abuse people have him removed for homes for less reasons confusing your child so young and begin treating them as if they're an adult and allowing them to make these decisions that will eventually impact them you're going around calling your little girl a little boy and and we see with what happened to you it took one one adult to say you know what yes you look great you look amazing here's a positive affirmation and it led to this many years decision at 40 years old to transition and and and to have you're basically allowing doctors to mutilate you yeah and and then eight years later having the awakening and realizing oh no I have to go the other way where are the calls to have these parents examined yeah that's we're calling for it today right we're calling for children to not be put in these places where they're teaching I that we need to take it out of schools this has become a recruitment center schools have become a recruitment indoctrination center for LGBT ideology they're ruining kids with this books and all of these things that they're introducing to children as early sexual ization folks it's child abuse and it's gotta stop it's so funny there are so many different topics we talked about on the show I mean from from socialism to the idea that black people you know have to align themselves of a left and it all goes back to the education system it all goes back to the idea that you know our education system is actually indoctrinating our youth and it's really scary and people are making permanent decisions and usually decisions that are not beneficial to them and and and that is just something that needs to be talked about I mean I I don't know there needs to be a radical adjustments the things that that students are taught they're learning to hate their country they're learning that socialism is cool learning that they can pick their gender really what has happened to the American school system yeah it's it's really and parents say what do I do they're teaching this to my children in school I should take them out yeah take them out of schools that's what I said this doesn't get fixed I'll homeschool my kids yeah the public school systems become a sewer for this kind of stuff and it's ruining kids I'm sorry to say our public school systems just not the place to put a healthy child you know what but I do want to end in a positive note because you did get your life back you got your life back yes I did well then tell me what that you're married now yeah you know once I D transitioned and I began speaking out and I was speaking at a group of people about recovery and from alcoholism and drug addiction and all the things that I've recovered from there was a lady in the audience that nudged her friend and said you know that's the kind of guy I want somebody who's been through it all and come out the other side so we began to see each other we were friends for seven years and and we got married in 1997 and we've been married 22 years she's a real woman Candice she's wonderful and so you know she's my partner in all this and we've been doing this together and we travel together speaking on this issue and so our ministry that we have is just reaching people around the world we've reached as many as 300 million people in one year we get upwards of 300,000 people to our website sex change regret calm and we're committed to helping people who contact us who have regrets about changing genders to do all we can to help them in any way we can whether they want to D transition or they just want a friend to be able to talk to them or guidance so yes it's all positive and and and we get to speak out and and help people and that is on a positive note and it can't be just you I mean I hope that your organization grows because I think that there are a lot of kids that that have these emotions that are not being addressed and things that happened to them in their youth and I think it's much harder I mean for for you fortunately there wasn't a society that was around saying yes yes yes yes yes more and more and more and more of this and that is the society that we are in today I am happy to fall on the sword over and over again when it comes to the transgender Lobby because I I draw a line at child abuse and I am not afraid to be that person I'm not afraid to be a strong voice against it but many people are and I'm just I'm so grateful by the way that you contacted me and that you came on the show today we wrap up every episode by allowing you to leave a video message for the world anything that you want to say we give you two minutes you're gonna look into that camera and and you're gonna inspire some people are you ready Chris you got my two minutes on your mark get set world I give you waltz higher I want the world to know that children are special they're important they're valuable they're our next generation and what we need to do is prop them up we need to affirm them the way God made them and encouraged them to stay the way they are if they have issues with their gender then we need to nurture them along we need to give them good counseling we do not need to tell them that gender is a vending machine that they can select another gender because it's child abuse we need to stop guiding children in a direction that creates early sexual ization for our young people and create a healthy vibrant young person that can grow up and be a healthy vibrant adult who will raise healthy vibrant young people thank you that was wonderful thank you so much for joining honestly that was such an honor thank you um thank you guys for watching the latest episode of the Candis Owens show I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation as much as I did as many of you guys already know Prager U is a 501c3 nonprofit organization which means we need your help to keep all of our content free to the public please consider making a tax-deductible donation today I would really appreciate your support