The Candace Owens Show: Jack Hibbs | Candace Owens Show

Conservatives to realize the irony of like Right, well you really want to conserve something you might have to make sure the religions being concerted All right, I'm gonna do a soft open and I'll turn on Jewish you okay Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are rolling into another episode of the Candace Owens show I was on a walk recently through Washington DC. I was checking out the monuments beautiful beautiful city And I was surprised Shocked actually and a little bit dismayed to see that in nearly every church that I had passed There was a some political statement. There was a large LGBT flag painted that said Love is love. There was a large black lives matter sticker on another church And I was wondering when did churches become so political especially when? The issues they seem to be pushing and promoting seen antithetical to the Bible which they preach When did all this come about and is this a good thing? What does it mean when we talk about separation of church and state? Here to discuss all of this with me is Pastor Jack Hibbs. He is the author of turn around at home Pastor Hibbs. Welcome to the Candace Owen show. Thank you Candace. It's great to be here This is a topic that really really frustrates me especially as somebody who is conservative and somebody who was raised Christian when I see Churches really taking I guess taking stances that seem to me to be antithetical to everything that they preach I don't really understand how it's happened how it got this Got this bad. I don't ever remember seeing any sort of messages on churches at all So, where does it start? Let's first just talk about the separation between church and state. What does that mean? Well, first of all going back to the original Statement where we get that from this comes out of a personal private letter That was written to Thomas Jefferson who had then just become president and he had a very good friend in Danbury, Connecticut Who was a pastor of the church there and that pastor had written that letter to Thomas Jefferson saying now that you're in power Remember from where we came from the motherland the mother country England There must always be of that protection of our ability to worship freely and Jefferson's the one who said I Promise you there'll be a separation of church and state and the content Context was one of the government will never get involved in What the church's mission is and if somebody right now who's watching this program and are listening thinks I'm making it up All you have to do is look at the First Amendment the First Amendment makes that crystal clear the government was never to dictate or to initiate a state run church While at the same time not inhibiting the worship of God or the gathering of those around a spiritual Topic and so this was meant to protect the church It was not only meant to protect the church. Yes, but our founders were so secure and their and their Frankly creation of this nation that this is the only experiment in the history of man where the church is protected But so is the atheism of someone isn't that an amazing place? You can be a Bible believing or you can be Hindu You could be Muslim and you can be an atheist and all of us share in the exact same rights That had never been seen before and our founders had that security And you know this when you visit the Jefferson Memorial, you know I had to laugh with with what you're saying because I think I walked past those same churches I saw the same thing right, you know And so the founders they were so comfortable in their own skin and in their own faith and some of them even being deist They understood. Hey, you know what? We're gonna conduct ourselves based upon what is obvious and that is this thing called natural law and natural law has always been For millennia a reference to Providence, which is God, right? And so we've gotten away from that Maybe we can go further down on that path of discussion. But how did we get to the place where you are now? We're churches. I mean, let's be honest Most churches like the ones that you and I saw in DC. They don't affect their community one iota In fact, they're only taking up space in my opinion, right or maybe they are affecting their community But they're doing it in a different way and they're pretty they're almost using Yeah, the institution of the church to really just deliver political messages And and that is kind of where I get become fearful because First and foremost, I'll say this is nothing new So this whole concept of believing that churches have not been pushing out political messages But they haven't been used to promote political messages can get destroyed if you look at the history of abortion You know as someone who's very into black history I know a lot about Margaret Sanger who is the the founder of Planned Parenthood and when you know during this time in the 1920s which was the Progressive Era there was this real real tangible fear all of the best writers were writing about this fear That they were going to lose that the good white Nordic race to the sudden flow of immigration that was coming from Eastern Europe and of course to the black Americans who were now reading so there Was this fear that we have to protect the purebreds and they actually closed the borders They stopped immigration for a while and all these books said how else we're gonna do it We need to make sure people are not breeding bad. People are not breeding badly. So how are we gonna do this? And Margaret Sanger comes around and talk to start talking about abortion and eugenics And she you know considered the black race to be unfit and to be beneath But she said if I go out and say that that's not gonna work and she she literally wrote in a letter To dr. Clarence Gamble that they didn't want it to get out that they wanted to exterminate the black race But if they went through the churches because black people had such faith That's right in their pastors and such belief in their pastors If they could just get out the message and if any of them got out of control the pastors were quiet them down She literally wrote this and today we have let's fast-forward to today And it's one of the biggest platforms of a left and you have black Americans that believe that abortion is there to protect our rights The church helped that the church helped Perpetuate abortion, which is again antithetical to what you read in the Bible. Yeah, absolutely In fact just backing up just a bit if my memory serves me correct It was Adolf Hitler that even used her doctrine to justify Some of his actions against the Jewish people that is correct Candace. This is something I have to confess I I have the privilege privilege of pastor in a very large church very multiracial church and I'm saddened by how many of those who attend black Attendees Do not know what you just said They have no idea that Planned Parenthood had that agenda to exterminate these this nation of Black people and it's an abomination and yet you said it, right the church like in the time of World War two Today the church the pulpit has chosen to be silent disengaged from topics that cause Controversy and yet I would submit to you and I know I think you and I are the same fiber any Topic that is controversial. It's probably a topic that is worthy of a life-and-death battle. That's why it's controversial That's why we've got to defend or to resist because it's such a cultural dynamic Change agent to the world that we're in. So today we have churches that are all about size all about being hip cool or acceptable and By the way, Jesus warned about that very thing that he said watch out if the world speaks well of you Then you're no friend of God So what am I saying that the pastor and the church should be hated in the community? Absolutely. Not what I'm saying is that pastors need to get back to what biblical truth is and stop Worrying about what's trending if they're gonna lose Facebook friends or likes They need to be biblically accurate and they need to really believe what it is that the Bible says Because in doing so they can preach and teach and stand with passion Here's what happens when you do that the culture of your church will change It's those people who go out every Wednesday night or Sunday to the world around them and they affect the school board They're the ones that wind up taking a good example to the police department or to the engineering department or wherever or the school whatever it is and So for us for me, that's a that's a very passionate issue. I think that Jesus is still correct when he said we need to be salt and light and we need to be Effective in our communities we can do that in a winsome way Lovingly but always truthfully right and it's interesting because for me, I mean I was raised deeply Christian my Grandparents raised me during my formative years and everything sort of centered around the Bible and I would say their biggest fear Was for us which I ended up doing anyways despite being raised the right way Was for us to become very secular, right? And and that was there were so many teachings about secularism and the harm of secularism and and kind of adopting Adapting yourself to fit in right which is exactly what I did once I moved out of my grandparents house And then I went super liberal and then kind of came back home as I like to say it, right? But it's interesting to know that that was their perspective and it's something that I think shaped me to be a really good Individual in the end, you know Like as the Bible says if you raise up a child in the way that they should be Eventually, they will come home And but now we have a situation where if you have the churches that are now taking the secular view, right? What what is what is the purpose? What is the meaning behind the Bible, right? What is the meaning behind the Bible's teachings if you're if you're gonna say, you know what? I know the Bible says this but I'm gonna I'm going to take a view that's actually Has nothing to do with the Bible. Well, the Bible to the Bible Yeah, the Bible may say this and but I feel right and so now we have a culture where my feelings, you know Trump what the Bible says and worldview matters Your worldview will dictate how you live and how you raise your kids and how you conduct yourself as a citizen It's my strong belief as it was an ancient Christianity in the Roman Empire the Roman Empire did not understand Christianity and they said so They thought that there was a plethora of gods, but they couldn't figure out. I don't know very many people know this but the term atheistic Was used against the Christians in first century Roman Empire Because the Christian claimed to believe in one God, right? Because that was at that time and they're moving from a Polly Polly exactly worldview to a monotheistic world Exactly, so they couldn't figure that out But what they did say and you have one Emperor after another saying, you know what these Christians They're the best citizens to have they pay their taxes They love one another and they even love those who hate them they're great citizens to have around I believe that that kind of witness today needs to be reestablished, you know, a lot of people talk about revival, you know Revival and revival. What are we talking about when we talk about revival? We're talking about getting back to doing the right thing That's what revival means is being revived to life that is in God to do the right thing, right? And I think and I think one of the more important things to point out people that are not aware of History like you just brought up and the Roman Empire and and the things that actually began the beginning of Western civilization moving away from a monotheistic worldview the mouth I mean the polytheistic worldview the polytheistic worldview is what allowed people to have no morals, right? It was it was slaughtering children for the rain God, right? It's killing one another because this God this God's there was no there was no meaning There was no thought because you'd oh curse curse the this God has churned me because they believed in so many different gods It was actually when Western civilization started really in in that period of the Greco-Roman time that they started to go Wait a second if maybe there's just one right and that developed morality, right? This is actually what developed morality This is what developed purpose This is what made people move away from the tribalism and and that anger and the murder and the senselessness behind it all And people don't know that that that that incredible role that Christianity Played in creating the civilization that we see today People don't know that that is what makes the West the best people don't like to admit that This is the reason they don't want their kids to live in Iran They don't know I would say I want my kids to grow up in China want to admit it They don't want to live here and love it, right? And and so you say to them well Which of what other country would you rather have your kids grow up in and they always pick a Western country? And that is due to Christianity you are so hundred percent correct And in fact, there's a chapter in the Bible that just goes right through what you just said Paul the Apostle He's waiting for his ministry team to show up. He's in Greece He's in Athens and he's got about a week and a half to kill He's just tooling around and he walks up the Agora there on Mars Hill and He's looking at all of these gods that are represented in the Roman Empire They lined the streets on pedestals, but the the the Greeks were very careful not to offend the gods You just said it's so right. Oh my gosh, you know, my crop failed. I must have upset some God So what they did was they had a pedestal With no statue on it and it said to the unknown God in case they missed someone they didn't want to offend some God Paul and his brilliance looked around and said wow you people of Athens. I detect that you are very religious people Do you see this one this inscription to the unknown God this is the God I want to talk to you about He's the God that's God over all these other gods and you know You laugh and I'm laughing and we're smiling the brilliance of that was Greece and Europe was never the same after that moment it went from a polytheistic world to a monotheistic world and our Judeo-christian values Then launched out of Europe, which was really the foundation of our pilgrim fathers They fled to this nation to reboot to restart What was so virgin and so original in their heart and I discussed a lot of these things With people who disagree and I love it, but the founding document of our United States It's very easy to find out. It's the Mayflower Compact. It's only about what maybe two and a half paragraphs long And it tells you right there that we have come to establish a culture based upon the gospel of Jesus Christ It doesn't say we're gonna convert everybody and put them in a headlock and poke their eyes out until they say yes It was these are the rules of law and the the cultural Impact upon a people that works right? So even today I had a great opportunity Candace to be at President Trump's State of the Union address. Oh, that's wonderful. It was awesome And you know I don't know if people realize this but first of all behind the speaker of the house or in this case the president Behind him and above him over his head. It says in God we trust directly opposite the podium from where the president is speaking there is a inscription there and it says of a face and it says Moses and Then all of the lawgivers of human history are all facing towards Moses Somebody thought that was important enough to put into our nation's sacred Documents and locations right that even at the top of the Washington Memorial, which you saw that great spire Very few people know that every time the president comes in to land in that helicopter They come right up that thing and pass over and if you look down Candace It says glory be to God at the four points of that pinnacle that that that Washington DC is replete with biblical references Our nation was founded upon Judeo-christian values. We've drifted from them We have there seems to be somewhat of I hope a turning toward them again. We'll see Well, what's what's paradoxical about it and you're correct is that it's modernity It's it's modern society is the reason that we've sort of drifted towards away away from our Judeo-christian beginnings, right and people go Well, you know, this is where the cool hit modern society So we're going away from it The truth is as I was just saying earlier You wouldn't have had this cool hip society and and this modern society if it hadn't been for the Judeo-christian Principles in the first place and I say that to people because you know, I get people all the time that say, you know I'm not people that are not deeply religious. There's tons of conservatives. I'm not super religious You know when you start talking too much religion and I'm like, uh, I'm like listen You don't have to be super religious But you should if you love this this country and you love Western civilization You do need to understand the fabric of it. You do need to understand the fibers of it You need to understand what what's what's what's so Western civilization and it starts just where you were talking about It starts right there in the Greco-Roman period and that move away because what it did was it allowed for rational thought, right? So if you had a flood in the Nile River literally They'd go all the gods the Isis. We didn't kill enough children, you know, whatever it is This is why it's flooding but then when they started saying no there's just one it actually gave birth to all of those early philosophers the Aristotle's and Plato's and they started going But it floods at the same time, right if it's not all these maybe if it's not just curse the gods Maybe there's a reason the Nile is flooding at the same time every year and and that began it then then some people start Oh, well, how can how can we curve that and then this allowed them to start? You know building the concept of freedom and and which eventually led to probably the biggest contribution on the abolishment of slavery Because morality suddenly they realized it, you know You had to be there were morality mattered because it wasn't just all of these gods and and they they were playing a role in Things that were happening. So exactly true to the ball and then I said this is we can't do this anymore We can't do this anymore William Wilberforce, I'm sure you know well, but his his argument His life commitment in Parliament in England was to abolish slavery in the Empire Of England of Great Britain, and I think he's I may be off on the time, but I'll be close something like 30 years He fought to abolish slavery and just near his death He was victorious but that kind of movement his argument now You can be an atheist all you want, you know I was gonna say god bless you, but you don't believe in God, but if you're an atheist good luck Here's the thing It was it was the Judeo-christian value of Wilberforce where he saw slavery as a scourge That affected our founding fathers You've got guys like Jefferson and Adams who Jefferson had slaves But he inherited the slaves and he went against the crown by the way by by pains of death It was issued that if you teach a slave to read you are an anathema to the kingdom Jefferson not only had his slaves all reading and write reading and writing, but he had them read and Memorize the Bible. You've got John Adams who refused to own a slave, right? You've got George Washington who had slaves but William Billy Lee George Washington's right-hand man In fact, it has said throughout history Wherever Washington was Billy Lee was you could never see the two apart when Washington died He gave half of his wealth to William Billy Lee. These are men who inherited a Virgin nation that was Entrenched in slavery and you can't turn a big ship fast, but they they went down a path that eventually Thank God Abolished slavery and and you're correct. I mean talking about Thomas Jefferson if you visited Monticello Yeah, I visited there I got married right around the corner from there in Charlottesville, Virginia And and when you walk through and you see you walk through the houses that his slaves lived in and you first off Let's can't forget. He was in love with the slave Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson had black children And he went he met her in France. I can't think of her name at the moment He met met this black woman in France and said, you know I'm in love with you come back to America and live with me and she said why would I I'm free here in France? Why would I go back and he said I promise you if you come back? Your your our children will be free after I think he said 20 years And he did that he may go in his promise and the slaves that lived in Monticello when you walk around That's right, and you look at the rooms. It is a fact. Nobody disputes it They lived better than than whites than white people that were laborers at the same exact time because of the poverty that they had Well said they're staying weren't free now There's no like I'm not saying anybody should not you know But the standard for living for the slaves at Monticello was higher than it was for for the laborers that were living up north And it was definitely better than the standards of the common man of Europe, right? Overwhelmingly 100% and that's something that people don't like to talk about because it's you know It's true and it makes people uncomfortable and because you know this obviously we all agree the institution of slavery was abhorrent But the way that they try to trash the founding fathers and not understanding that they inherited slavery and and to call Thomas Jefferson a racist is almost crazy because he was in love with the black woman and Pleaded with her to come back and gave and she had all of his children and those children became free and It's one of those things that it's so important to talk about it as slavery in the correct context because that's right At the same time that they hate our founding fathers They will never want to acknowledge that it was the West that abolished the trade first. That's right The first led the world, you know the France Followed by Britain followed by America and you know, I don't know if we can go down this road or not Do people ever stop and ask where was Europe and America getting the slaves from oh, I mean hello Have we looked into what was going on on the Barbary Coast of North Africa? Absolutely. That is exactly where it all came from and I've talked about this extensively there there there's a lack of education when it comes to a of The extended role that Arabs played in the slave trade and have always played in the slave trade to this day to this day And then there's also just the lefts The way that they want to look upon things in through a weird Weird lens where they think that like we were all kings and queens in Africa Not that we were also enslaved and that we weren't sold literally for basic things basic things We were sold for for mirrors, right? Oh, this is a cool mirror here Take 20 of our strongest men and when all gin mirrors gin like a basic thing They sold us into slavery for our own people think of the Because I'm a Christian. I'm just gonna put it this way and maybe for some in your audience It's not acceptable. But for me as God says man is created. He created man in his own image To think about what you just said that I'm I'll tell you what I'll give you a barrel of rum and a couple of pieces of silver For that black woman or for that black man So degrades and so degenerates that person's value That to me it's like demonic thinking It's I don't see how a human can think about another human no matter what their financial or their the color of their skin Or for that matter even their views. Well that that is the natural way It's a natural way in which humanity trends when there isn't a sense of morality Exactly and morality as soon as morality is developed and understood you you immediately move towards tribalism Yeah, and and so that that is that is the great miracle. That is the Greek miracle, right? That was a part of the Greek miracle Judeo-christian values And and that's the thing that we have to be so grateful for us We know all of that right and yet when I'm walking down the street in Washington DC here I look up and it's it's let's go the opposite direction. Yeah, right. Let's let's I'm real big on it's I It's my life's passion to speak to pastors to to reverse this I go across the nation doing this and what is it that I'm doing? I'm asking them to get back to really believe what their Bible says and let it rip when I say let it rip. I mean Go into that pulpit on fire having prayed and studied Don't get your sermon from some guy online Don't say Lord bless my scrambled eggs and the message today I'm talking about get your heart on fire know what you believe and and preach it and teach it because it's true We're flawed people we're broken people we need God's grace his forgiveness. We need the love of Jesus We need the cross and that empty tomb Once that settled truth never changes truth is truth And it's not that I think was Ronald Reagan that said he kind of lovingly rebuked somebody who said We need God on our side and Reagan turned and said we don't we need to get on God's side That's the side that we need to be on and so I just believe Candice that it's not too late that if pastors of communities just think for a moment. What if pastors in a community Starting this Sunday began to preach and teach from the Bible, which I believe is always relevant they're gonna address issues even though if it's about the cross or it's about Martha pouring the ointment on Jesus's feet you can work that in to the fact that This is what's going on in our local schools And this is how that applies today if we say that and I believe the Holy Spirit is saying that We could we could see a change in our nation Like this and it is called revival. It happened in the first awakening in America Second awakening and look you and I geographically are not we're not far from the Azusa Street revival that broke out In California it made history the Jesus movement it started the hippies You're way too young to know this but the hippies were stoned free sex everywhere hate Ashbery was going on and they woke up to the fact that you know what we're killing ourselves and there were people just reading out of the Bible publicly in Huntington Beach and Costa Mesa and kids sat down and listened to the Bible and There was a cultural change that was 40 years ago. We need to get back to that, right? I told I totally agree and and I and the great irony that I seen especially when I see something Like when they paste black lives matter on there, right because we know that that That narrative is is fundamentally false Not only is it fundamentally false like this that this idea that they're that white police officers are gunning down black people Just because they're black. We know we not only know that's fundamentally false We also know that perpetuating that narrative hurts black people, right? So this this whole idea that you're helping black people, right? which is fundamentally false because then black people go there they're more nasty towards police officers and they're more likely to get into the Scrabble and it was proven That that year when this narrative was was really at its peak in 2016 It increased black homicide went up by 19% because police officers didn't want to go into neighborhoods for fear of being called racist And it's and it's horrible. So it's like you you guys are actually Harming harming you're hurting people by not being honest by by not saying, you know This is the truth by not producing truth and instead taking this easy secular path of seeing like hey, we're hip. We're cool This is trending right now. So we're just gonna go ahead and stick this bumper sticker On our churches. It's it's really really wrong and it's it's it's completely irresponsible Wow You know for me, I don't know I'm just gonna speak the truth and I don't know how this lands what you're saying for me growing up in Southern, California, um, I Think I heard the word racism way later in life My black friends and Puerto Rican friends my Hispanic friends the guys on my football team and junior high in high school I never thought for a moment that they were Hispanic black or that I was Portuguese it never once dawned on me We were just living life and Then the topic was brought up somewhere along the line now in my generation. I I was able to Escape that it didn't it wasn't thrust upon me. I woke up to it later. My point is this that when black life Black Lives Matter posters went up the thought entered my mind and again, this may be wrong Candace I'm confessing now, but it's honest Why would someone say that because to me that message says that other lives don't matter That's how I took it. That's how I still take it if I put up a sign that says white lives matter I am sending a message that all other lives are lesser than mine race That is sick, right? That's wrong. If somebody's put up a sign and said Puerto Rican lives matter It's incumbent upon the human nature because once again, remember we're creating the image of God You're I will lay down my life for your life because you have been created the image of God. Yeah, but I'm Puerto Rican I don't see that I do not see that and I believe that's that is so played out beautifully In a weird theater and that is war When men are bonded together in in war There the color of the soldier next to you is gone, right? You are fighting for a greater cause and those petty divisions no longer exist So I think you're causing me to think something right now and here it comes You shared that you were brought up in a Christian home and that was embossed upon your heart And when you strayed you had something to come back to Probably, you know what when you when we when I when we strayed we were a little bit full of ourselves We kind of knew everything leftism narcissism and all goes hand-in-hand atheism all for me What how what will you give me in life? That was your value? Of course because we were living for ourselves and then we realized that that doesn't work and you thank God Had roots to come back to could it be that what you just said about yourself? Is that where America's at we had roots and we knew those roots Our little kids in public school even the McGuffey reader They were raised in those schools with ABC the alphabet using the Bible They had a foundation if they were believers or not. They had a foundation then we got wealthy Then we got successful then we became the greatest of everything on earth and now we're kind of petulant We whine about everything we complain. Nothing fits. Nothing's right like Cinderella. It just doesn't work Everything's wrong Well, we're so self you yeah narcissistic We're so consumed on self that when we're like that then we point around the government's wrong. The police are wrong They're wrong. This is right. Everybody's wrong. But me right? I Think as a nation, we're like a teenager a spoiled rotten little teenager We are and we need to get back. In fact, you know what in some ways we need to learn How to suffer suffering is not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing It's listen my my grandparents. They immigrated from Portugal because they suffered On my dad's side. They were farmers. They worked hard Your family they had their trials and tribulations That builds character today. We think oh my goodness. My internet's down. We're gonna have a panic over this No, I don't know irony of you saying is I just have this conversation with someone I said they don't know how to deal with small things No, and and and so everybody puts themselves into a tizzy literally I use the example like your internet's not working on on your plane on your first class flight and you are ready to sue United Airlines Because you think that you should have had you know ability to email and Instagram the entire time you're on the plane and that is a condition of our society because and that only Happens when a society is perfectly comfortable perfectly peaceful and has had no struggle Can this kind of sort of ridiculous spurt and and and the harm here In talking about this when it comes to the church that the church should have learned its lesson when the church starts starts starts trending towards immorality right at bad things happen, right? I mean, let's talk about why there ever was a Catholic right and and Protestant war, right? Why did Martin Luther is? Nail his 95 thesis because the church was coming around for indulgences something they could buy their way And people that were already poor they were zapping something like six hundred thousand dollars from entire cities and giving it back to the church Right in morality, right actually spawned something that then turned into bloody years Yes between different factions of Christianity, right? So right now I think we're almost in the same Implicament in terms of for people that that do turn to the church when they know Right that they're promoting immorality that they're reporting things that are not right Which by the way to their own detriment because you're absolutely the same side of people that will eat you first, right? The same people the left the same people that mock people that believe in Jesus Christ. That's right, right? You're promoting their views on white versus black versus gay versus straight the other ugliness in this division, right? It's not gonna end. Well, well to make your listen, um Someone from our church told me this story. It's exactly to what you're saying they Invited a friend of theirs. I'm not gonna name the church It's a local LA Church, but they invited their friend to church Their friend was not a believer But they invited their friend to church and this this person told me I thought this would be a good place to take them So they take them to church and after the church experience the unbeliever said I I don't see much of a difference of what we just did I mean the the band was cool and the the Lecture the guy gave all right, whatever. Well, wait a minute. We're doing that person an injustice because the truth of the matter is if we take them to church and They they think that it's just a little bit different than the world, but not much So and the world does it better? Let's be honest. The world does better music the world does better lighting So why go? They're insulting a lot of Christians are insulting the non-believer non-believers are not stupid they're searching they have that proverbial Jesus hold in their heart too. They're looking that's why the guy said I'll go When they go into a church, they need to encounter truth. They're not dumb They know if they can just sleep around and do whatever. Well, that's what the world does. I can do it in church Well, then what's the difference? But when they find out that God says I've got a better life for you completely better and it's healthy and you'll be Incredibly satisfied look at what's going on around our world Look at where we're at Where we live, I mean we live in paradise here and yet people are committing suicide because they're not satisfied Do you think do you think the fear is there rather? Is there a fear? Is there some pastoral fear? Is there a reason they don't that they're that they're doing that like somebody knock on the door and say hey Can I put this love is love black lives matter stuff and they're like sure sure because they don't want to be seen as someone Who is not accepting or are they fearful that no one's gonna show up? Yes. Yes, and yes They're they're fearful of being rejected again. This all comes from not having a strong foundation So they're fearful of criticism fearful of rejection, you know, you know better than I do or we know it together If somebody wants to get at us, they'll just call us names. They'll try to oh, you know, you're a homophobe You're a xenophobe. You're so all that stuff starts flying about pastor doesn't want to get involved in that then cowers back Doesn't want to talk about Controversial issues, but you know, here's the big bomb The 800 pound gorilla in the room is Jesus said that all have sinned The Bible tells us that we all need him He says that he is the way the truth and the life and no man can come to the father but through him That's a radical statement and it and it can stay radical. It can stay crazy even When he says if you kill me Don't worry about it because in three days, I'll be back. That's insane Unless three days later three days later. He's back So when he says and the Bible says that we all need him we can take a big breath and realize hey, you know what? Instead of us living in this hypocrisy. I love that fact that you started out talking earlier about hypocrisy. Let's just face the music If you're pointing your fingers and judging this person and if you're condemning that guy and this thing and the other Don't you see the strangeness of it? Who are you to do this? When God is the only one who's justified in saying all of you have sinned and come short of the glory that I expect That's why I sent my son. I Will place your sin upon him and you will receive I will transfer To your account his righteousness That's called the gospel Candice and it's free, but it costs God everything you say Why is that so important? Because when that happens, I cannot see any other human being less than myself in fact The Bible tells me to serve those that are around me, right? Am I I mean and if people don't understand this you would expect that pastors would understand that Satan is the author of lies and deception. That's right. Satan is the author of lies and deception, right? So, how can you be a pastor and stand on things that you know to be lies or things that you know to be deceptive? Like like like the Black Lives Matter craze and I'll give you this example, by the way, which I thought was stunning I saw a video trending on Facebook. I think my dad tagged me in it and I Went okay, it was a pastor a black pastor and it was incredible. He's you can see he's Getting up there giving giving his sermon and suddenly he takes his glasses down He says you need to get out of here, right? And whoever's recording to catch this moment, you know make this to create this viral moment He's like you need to get out of here He's like, why do I have to leave and the pastor says to him black pastor says to him. He said What you do when you're outside of this church is not my business But when you come into this church, you will be dressed as a man So he was talking to a man that was dressed as a woman. You don't see him, right? I got it and the entire Congregation burst into applause and the person leaves and I thought wow what conviction right because he's not saying this guy This is you need to go do you know be this person whoever you are you want to be in the world, right? But when you have you come through my door on Sundays, there will be no deception. There will be no lies There's only truth in this room and the power of that absolutely and it didn't trend by the way in a bad way this guy I mean, I don't know. I'm sure he got terrible emails But in terms of the discussion that was happening and the person posted like what do you think of this? All of the comments from black people were were who were saying kudos to him. Absolutely kudos for him and think about it Change the narrative just a bit We'll remove that narrative and insert. It's a guy sleeping with his neighbor Let's let's make that the scenario and the pastor calls him out on that Okay, both are equally true and honest events that pastors defending truth and his flock But what people because emotions will just spike in a moment Before they spike we need to realize something when I go to my doctor my doctor if he knows something about me, that's not good He's gonna tell me He's not gonna feign that he loves me by not telling me that I have a very funny-looking Spot on my arm or something. He's gonna say dude. We need to cut that thing out That pastor spoke to that man in a way that that guy went home and knew he knew that he had heard truth and Just maybe while the world panics and tweets and Twitters that about all these things about what that pastor did There is a young man Rethinking his position and it could very well save his life and know what's interesting about it And you saying that the manner in which he said it it was not hateful You could tell it was it was just truth It was powerful and it commanded respect right on and it was here are your options, right? You can go out and be who you want to be in the secular world, right? But when you come here, it's truth and I thought to myself Wow Imagine if every church yes across America adopted that position right there had the strength to say I don't know how this is gonna play out on Facebook I don't know if it's gonna be too I don't care what the world's gonna make of this moment But I take I take my role seriously and If you want to be a part of this You are going to commit to the fact that we are on the side of truth and the world can move around Right, but truth never moves to the truth. It never ever converts into anything else than the truth. It's incontrovertible That's awesome, yes, you know, we're having church right now It's a good thing my show comes out on Sundays there you go Yeah, and I hope that you know with people watching this if they can understand Like I always say to people you do not be religious you my show is not about religion But do understand the role that religion has always played in your life the freedoms that you enjoy We have Judeo-christian values to thank for that and that that's always a lesson that I want people To take away when they're listening to my show is truth and freedom And how do we protect both so we wrap every episode by allowing you you're ready You have a script. I don't have a script, but I'm ready. Yeah, so wait to leave a message Yeah, I've got two minutes and you've got two minutes and Dana's got the clock and it's gonna be a face message for the Road. Don't look at her. You're gonna get nervous. No, maybe I should go like this. No, no, no, no. No, it's okay Okay on your mark get set world. I give you pastor Jack hips Listen, the greatest thing that you can do is to speak truth It doesn't matter if you are married or single if you have kids or not It doesn't matter what culture you've come from you need to know truth truth today is the very commodity that is being Bartered with and attacked and played with on all levels if it's politics if it's business, whatever it is Truth is always the issue And so what I want to stress to you is having a world view because all of us have a world view That you adopt the world view of the Bible the Bible the the longest living awesome culture changing life changing word of God and what happens is The more that we have the Bible truth in our lives the less laws we need because you know what? I'm not gonna murder. I'm not gonna cheat on my wife. I am NOT going to Commit a crime because I've got the truth of God working in my heart and you can have that too the platform That God gives you is a platform that he offers at the expense of the life of his own son Jesus Christ And it's this message that transcends all religions on earth. Listen, I'm not Encouraging you to adopt another religion. I'm asking you to receive Christ as a Relationship that God loves you and there's not any lifestyle or sin that you could have ever committed That's greater than his blood to forgive you can start life all over again You know how we reboot our computers or restart our phones when they act up. Guess what God wants you He's giving you opportunity to restart your life and you can do that. There's hope You don't need to trend like others are so many today who are losing hope and they're putting a gun to their head Or they're taking the bottle of pills. You don't have to do that He loves you. He wants to hear from you. The Bible tells us that if you just call upon him He'll hear you turn to him and so the greatest thing that I can say for America where I live our home is that America would turn back and That would mean that I would speak to the pastors pastors Turn your church congregation back to the Bible back to truth and be fearless in your pulpit be on fire May God envelop you in his word and in prayer as you prepare and then on Sunday morning like George Whitefield in early America Atheists went out to hear him preach including Ben Franklin To hear him preach and it was asked why are atheists coming to hear Whitfield preach? We don't believe in what he's preaching and they said no, you know what we don't but we've come out to hear him because he believes in what he's preaching and So that's my call to America to turn back to the Lord and I think that there'll be great hope So that's my message and I have no idea how much time I have left Amen, amen Thank you guys for watching the latest episode of the Candace Owen show I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation as much as I did as many of you guys already know Prager you is a 501c3 Nonprofit organization, which means we need your help to keep all of our content free to the public Please consider making a tax-deductible donation today. I would really appreciate your support