The Candace Owens Show: Allie Stuckey | Candace Owens Show

I'm normally casual. I mean, I kind of am casual. I'm wearing sneakers. It's cute. Very cute. I'm done with that. Yeah, it's in there. All good. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are rolling into another episode of The Candace Owens Show. America is changing. We are debating socialism and whether or not that is the right system to implement into our government and into our economy. We are seeing the schools take a churches are changing. Actually, I took a walk through Washington, D.C., and I have never seen such woke churches in my entire life. The LGBT flags are flying high. The Black Lives Matter logos are flying high. What is this world that we are stepping into suddenly in this country, which was supposed to be the land of the free? And who are the most vulnerable people inside of this changing dichotomy? I happen to think it's the children that are being raised in this society, raised in a society that I didn't grow up in. New moms, especially. You guys know I'm a first time aunt, two nephews born during the coronavirus scare. And I wanted to actually invite a new mother onto my podcast, someone who has her own podcast called Relatable, which you guys should download and listen to. And she is also the author of You Are Not Enough and That's OK. Allie Stuckey, welcome back to the Kanda Sound Show. Thank you so much for having me. So so much must have changed for you in the last year. Yes. Becoming a first time mom. Yes. Almost a year ago, it was last July. So it's really hard to believe everyone says that it goes by so quickly. And when you're in those first few weeks of motherhood, you're like, no, it's not. It's going by so slowly because you're not getting any sleep and you're stressed out and you're hormonal. And you're like, this is the hardest thing that I've ever done. And I don't think it's ever going to go back to normal. But then slowly, but surely it does. And you get used to things and it goes by so fast. And then all of a sudden, that little infant that they laid on your chest is, you know, a full grown toddler. And it has been really fun. What has been the biggest change for you? Probably orienting your entire life around the well-being of another human. I think that that shifts your perspective on a lot of things, not just in your personal life, but how you see the world. Of course, that happens a little bit when you get married, as you know, as a newlywed, you start putting the welfare of someone else before you. And that kind of self-sacrifice really matures you. And it also changes how you see the world. It goes to another level when you become a parent. You've never realized this kind of just heartbreaking love. I've heard it described as it's like watching your heart walk around outside your body. And that's exactly what it is. It's so hard to explain until you're there. But this just kind of eager, eager, heart-aching love that you have for another human being and for their welfare, never have you felt before like you would lay your life down in a heartbeat for another human being as you do when you become a mom or become a dad. So that has just, I think, been the biggest perspective shift. And thinking about politics through the lens of the next generation, I think it adds another level of intensity of caring about what's going on. Because it's not just you and what's going to affect us for the next, you know, 60 years of our lives, however long we get to live, but also what's going to affect your children and your grandchildren and the long-reaching effects of the policies and the movements that are happening right now. So I think it's just not just a perspective shift, but also a widening perspective of everything that's going on that's given to you when you become a parent. So your daughter is about a year old. Yes. Okay. So I feel like the world has changed from the last time you were sitting across this desk for me in an infinite amount of ways, especially in America. I mean, if you and I wrote down that day, if we had written down that day, a list of the craziest things that we possibly thought could happen in America, we couldn't have come up with it. Not in a million wild imaginative years could we have come up with this, what we're actually seeing in the world today. And, you know, I'm just wondering how does that impact someone who is bringing someone up in this world? Like there has to be some level of fear of, is this going to be the America that we know? Is my child going to grow up in the America that I knew? Yeah, there certainly is fear. I would say that there was a lot of fear when she was born. And like you said, all this stuff that's happening right now wasn't even happening then. But I think a year ago, we probably thought it can't get any worse than this. Can't get any crazier than this. People are so insane. The truth is subjective. And how are we supposed to create any kind of healthy and free society based off of the principles that, you know, a lot of people on the left are laying down for us? But now, even since January and February, if we would have sat down in February and said, what do you think the world is going to look like in a few months? We would have said, oh, you know, debates with, you know, the presidential election, things are probably going to be contentious. We would have thought it's just a replay of 2016. Little did we know all of the absolute insanity and how the world has turned upside down even more than it than it had previously. So you're right. There is a new level of fear and there are more concerns than I even had a year ago or a few months ago. But at the same time, I think being a mom has also just the time over the past year has given me, has reminded me the importance of remembering that people are not placed on earth at the time that they were placed on earth arbitrarily by God. So he intentionally and purposefully puts the generations when and where and how he does for a reason. And so, like I've said on my podcast before, like he didn't choose our birthdays arbitrarily or flippantly. Like he didn't say, okay, this sounds good. This group of people will might be good right there, but maybe not. Maybe they won't be able to handle it. I have to remind myself that he does things purposefully and with intention. And if he predestined us to be born when we were born, where we were born, have the abilities that we have, have the platforms that we have, have the marriages, the kids, whatever that we have, then the same goes for our children. And so it wasn't arbitrary that he made her birthday when it was and that he decided that she was going to live through this time. The same will be true for your nephews and for your kids. It's on purpose. And if he equips every generation to deal with the problems that they are facing, just like he did for the greatest generation and like he's going to do now, that I have to trust that even if it's scary, and even if we do see the end of American liberty in this great American experiment that we have all benefited from, that I have to trust that he is going to equip his people for whatever issues that we are going to face. I have to trust that. And I have to hope in that. And I also have to remember that ultimately for the Christian, this world is not our home, that we, I hope that America goes back and that we reroute and that we go the way of American liberty and prosperity. But even if we don't, Jesus does promise that he is going to rule in perfect peace one day. And that is what I ultimately have to look forward to. And that is the hope that I have to cling to, or else I will spiral into fear. And that's not good for anyone. Wow. I think there are so many moms who needed to hear that. And I'm just like, I felt instantly relieved when you said that. And I think that is probably the best, most optimistic perspective that I've ever heard in all of this. And I get inundated all the time, you know, as you do with questions from people around the world. And one thing that I see recurring a lot, especially in moms is they're, they're really fearful about the direction that the school systems have taken. And we saw this obviously happening. You and I have done a lot of, you know, a lot of public speaking about this. What would be your advice to them as a mother now, you know, you're much more tethered into the discussion about what they should be doing with their children, even, not even just in grade school, because that's how young the indoctrination can start, but even through to college, what would be your perspective on that? Well, what I think parents need to realize, and I know I'm a new mom, so I'm not trying to say, oh, I have all the wisdom for, you know, the moms with five kids, with teenagers and things like that. I understand I have very limited experience. Thankfully, I have sisters-in-law. I have a lot of women in my life who have a lot of children, have a lot of experience that I've been able to, to learn from. And just from being engaged in the culture, like you are, have been able to see some of the trends that you're talking about. I was interviewing someone the other day who said something very poignant and true, that the, the battleground of ideas doesn't start in middle school or high school or college, like we used to think it does. It starts on the playground. It starts when they're three years old. It starts at preschool. It starts in the nursery rhymes that they are listening to and the things that they're watching on Netflix. There's an ideology that is being pushed behind so much of the content and the conversations that are surrounding our young children. So my encouragement to moms, especially Christian moms, that's just the perspective that I have, is start preparing your kids, your babies, your toddlers right now. Read them the things that you want to read them. Start teaching them about the Bible, about God's word, about who created them, who created the heavens and the earth. Start laying that foundation right now. And I can talk about it at a different time or provide in a different way, different resources that I think moms can be using. But just make sure that right now, especially when your kids are at home, before they are gone for eight hours a day at a school, to make sure that you lay the groundwork for the Christian values or whatever your values are for your children. Start shaping their minds right now so that they're equipped. My other piece of advice that I would have, again, as an inexperienced mom, but as a mom who sees what's happening in government schools, get your kids out of government schools. There is a wonderful pastor by the name of Votibachum, and he has talked about just the indoctrination that happens in public schools. And he says, you know, you can't send your kids to Caesar and be surprised when they come back Romans. And it's true. When you send your kids to government schools with a government ideology, which happens to be a left-wing ideology so much of the time, they are going to be affected by that and possibly infected by that. And so the question for the parent is, do you want to battle with that? Like, do you want to battle with the ideology that your child is learning for eight hours a day when you spend two hours at home with them at night? Probably not. Now, I know that there are a lot of teachers out there who are wonderful public school teachers, and they are doing the Lord's work. Like, I couldn't do it. So thankful for the wonderful public school teachers out there. But for parents, if you have the option, if you can do private school, if you can do charter school, if you can do homeschool, which is very cheap. By the way, there are a lot of parents on a low budget that do homeschool. If you can do that to try to affect your child's worldview as much as possible, teach them to think critically and think biblically, then get your kids out of government school. You're not doing them any favors by sending them on the front lines when they are five and six years old to try to defend the worldview that you were teaching them. Keep them at home and keep them under your care and authority for as long as you can to prepare them for the craziness that's out there. And what if you can't? What if you're in a circumstance, you know, you're a single parent, this is, you know, you work all day, you've got to send your kids. And this is kind of the trap that the government perfectly provides for a lot of, you know, impoverished families, we're basically your daycare, right? What if you can't? How do you combat your child going into a kindergarten class? And this is actually the circumstance in some schools where they are allowed to call your child by a different gender all day and they're not required to tell the parent. I can't wrap my head, to me, that is Satan, right? Satan is the author of lies and deception. And when I look at the face of this trans movement and this trans agenda and confusing kids, kids are already confused about everything, you know what I mean? And our job is to tell them the truth is. And when I see that, I think this is actually Satanic. And I just don't know what we say to those parents who can't afford to take their kids out. There might be a variety of factors that play into that. And I don't pretend to know, you know, every family situation. Thankfully, the Trump administration has done a lot in the way of school choice and charter schools. And I think that that is excellent. But say in the meantime, if you can't send your kids to a charter school, you have to send them to a public school. I think that you just have to be all the more vigilant in teaching your children every second that you are with them, reminding them of what you believe and why you believe it. And that's going to require a lot of parents who maybe they feel like, oh, well, you know, I'm unequipped. I don't know that much about the Bible, but I know I want my child to, but I don't know where to start. I don't want parents to be intimidated by that. In order to teach your children and have an effect on your children, we do not have to be perfect or have all the theological biblical knowledge in the world or have read every book. You start where you can and you invite your children into that learning process with you, and you do the best you possibly can. And of course, we believe that God is totally sovereign. Like, He is in control of your child. He loves your child more than you love your child. He cares for your child more than you care for your child. And so even if your child is at public school, you can still trust God. You can still do everything you can to mentor and influence your child for the Lord. There are people, I went to a private school my whole life, private Christian school. There are people who I graduated with who are the most so-called privileged people in the world, who think that, who have completely abandoned, you know, the oppressive Christianity, oppressive conservatism and traditionalism and things like that, have abandoned their faith and have completely gone, you know, down the road of leftist ideology. So that's possible too. Parents should know that private school does not guarantee that your child will go to college and stay a Christian or stay a conservative. There are people who go to public schools who graduate and are conservative and Christian. And so understand that, that, of course, it is not just this, like, perfect binary, that really the responsibility, the onus is always going to be primarily on the parents to shepherd, to mentor and disciple your kids as best as you can. All right. Well, you wrote a book, and I first and foremost love the title. Thanks. You Are Not Enough, and then in parentheses, And That's Okay. Let's just talk about the title. Yes. So it's You're Not Enough, And That's Okay, Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love. So the reason why I picked that title, and I talk about it, obviously, in the book, but we hear all the time, especially young women, you're enough, you're enough, you're enough. Now, how that jives with everything we're also hearing about hating your whiteness, I don't really know. The same people are saying that. It just kind of shows you the illogic of any kind of, like, worldly worldviews. But we are told by these self-love, self-help gurus that you're enough, you're perfect the way you are and who you are deep down is really perfect and flawless. And the only reason you feel insecure is because society has told you. Whose society? We don't know. But society, the patriarchy, capitalism, they've all told you that you're imperfect. But if you just throw off capitalistic ideas, if you throw off societal standards, if you throw out, you know, standards of beauty and health and things like that, you will be able to love yourself, which means you will be able to accomplish your dreams, which means that you will finally be fully satisfied and confident. And what we see in a lot of these self-help and self-love gurus is that their lives aren't fulfilled, like, their lives aren't fulfilled. And the people who follow this self-love mantra that says, if I just love myself more, I'll finally be happy and satisfied, they continue to struggle with insecurity and their own self-worth and their own happiness and purpose and fulfillment and commitment and all of that stuff. And so really, the premise of the book is that that's because if the problems that exist are inside of you, like if you struggle with insecurity, if you struggle with fear, depression, anxiety, then the solution can't also be inside of you. If the self is the problem, it can't also be the solution. And then, of course, my counter is that God shows us a better way. He shows us a better way than self-love. God's love is so much better than self-love. And the argument is not self-deprecation. The argument isn't that you should hate yourself. It's viewing yourself the way God sees you as made in the image of God and created for his glory and the purposes that he has for you, which happens to be glorifying him and serving and loving other people. So it's a kind of self-forgetfulness and a self-denial that God offers us that really brings us to the true freedom and satisfaction that these self-love gurus are trying to find and are failing. Right. And it's interesting because you do see that and hashtag self-love all over Instagram and women that are putting up pictures of themselves overweight, obese, shaving their heads. It's all supposed to be a symbol of how much they love themselves because they no longer bend to the will of society. But then when you actually look into the lives of these people, they're tremendously angry, tremendously hateful. They're obviously not happy. And we've seen this sort of self-love movement sort of manifest itself in what today is modern feminism. I think we need to call it something else because it's not feminism, it's something entirely different. And it's toxic. It's toxic for the individual. And if people that are young don't figure that out early, they end up in a very bad circumstance because they actually put their hand up and they say no to things that could bring them so much love and so much gratitude, like religion, right? I mean, like Christianity, like a husband, like I said to you, like my whole life I thought getting married, oh, wait, wait, it's going to be horrible. It's a kind of, it's like you're going to be bound by marriage. And these systems are, they're so beautiful. They bring you such beauty and I can't wait to become a parent. Yes, exactly. It is worship being the God of self. And this is kind of what happens in all societies when you reject the God of the universe, when you decide, no, there's nothing bigger than me. There's no truth bigger than my truth. There's no reality bigger than my reality. There's no love bigger than my love. You start to worship yourself and self-worship means that you can't have any relationships that are hard. Can't have any sacrifice that's inconvenient. You can't have any morality that disagrees with the things that you want to do, because if you worship a God, you do the things that that God wants you to do. And if you worship the God of self, you're going to only do the things that the self wants you to do. So that's why anyone who comes along and says anything that you believe is wrong or immoral or unbiblical, well, that is an affront to you. That is heresy. That's it's what I call the cult of self-affirmation. That's what all of this stuff is. It feeds on the worship of the God of self. And what we find out is that the self is a really bad God. We're really unmerciful gods. We're really ungracious gods. We are unable to satisfy the insatiable needs of the God of self. And that leads down, like you said, this toxic road of selfishness in which people are constantly trying to find happiness in places where they just can't find them. Right. And you know, it's interesting, and I always say this because I know a lot of people that listen to my podcast, you know, maybe they're not religious, maybe they're not Christian, and you focus a lot on Christianity in your podcast, which is great. You know, I am a Christian, and I try to just tell people, even if you're not a person that is religious, you can get something out of the Bible. The Bible, I mean, it's just the wisdom. It is timeless. And actually, I was looking up how many times the Bible mentions idolatry, warns us against idolatry. And I was looking at this because I was thinking about now how all of a sudden we have seen the idols of Hollywood suddenly speaking out and telling people how they should think. And I had never, growing up, because I used to be crazy fans of this person, crazy fans of that person. I've sort of rinsed myself of saying that I'm a fan of anybody anymore, because I realize this is a form of idolatry. And we are seeing that manifest right now in society when someone like Taylor Swift thinks that she can write a post and say, I'm going to get every single person to do this. I mean, what do you mean you're going to get every single person to do this? You're a once country, now pop singer. And the people that follow that, right, who follow ideology, the young girls who go, yes, yes, yes, Taylor Swift said I have to do this, so I do it. I mean, there is something that is really, really wrong about that. We are seeing idolatry play out today via Hollywood. Right. And how unsatisfying is it to worship someone who doesn't know your name, who doesn't care about you, will not shed a tear if you live or die. And that's what happens with these people who worship someone like Taylor Swift or any celebrity who, you know, I'm sure they care about the people in their lives and all of that good stuff. But how deeply unsatisfying is it for us to make those our idols? And not only because they don't know you, they have no personal relationship with you and they can do absolutely nothing for you, unlike the God of the universe, but also because we see the moral framework for their own lives and the ones that they're prescribing for other people are so flimsy. They're constantly contradictory. Like Chelsea Handler, for example, who you have brought up, like for someone who talks about, you know, feminism and empowerment seems like a very unhappy person. Well, she posted not too long ago a video of Louis Farrakhan saying, you know, wow, this is this is really powerful. Like, I really agree with what he has to say. I learn a lot. Just look at how flimsy her moral framework is that one day she's talking about the evils of oppression and racism. And the next day she's posting posting a video of a guy who literally said that Hitler is a great man and who calls Jews termites. And so just think about how contradictory their worldview and their moral framework is. And you will see why it is so dangerous to idolize people who don't even don't even know right from wrong in their own lives. Yeah, I mean, I want to be careful in saying this, but I really do believe now and not every single person, but the entire institution of Hollywood, there's something very satanic about it. You know, I mean, bringing these people to the big screen, making them believe that they're gods and they believe that, you know, sending paparazzi to follow their every single move like, oh, stars, they're just like us. They want to pick up an ice cream cone. Oh, my God, I saw Lindsay Lohan getting an ice cream cone somewhere, you know, I want to be careful in saying that I sense a sadness in them. I sense that they never really can truly feel happy. And you see that in the way that their relationships always fall apart. They're angry and they're bitter. The majority, by the way, I'm speaking about a majority. Of course, there are some examples of people who have somehow survived the Hollywood vein. But I do see something about Hollywood that I have just more and more been like, I really want to distance myself from this idea of the celebrity, the star. And I just see a lot of, like, Satan in that, you know, I hope that a lot of people feel that same way. And I think that the more transparently we see these stars, the more they're on Twitter and the more they're showing us who they really are and their true colors and a lot of their hypocrisy that a lot of people are thinking, OK, well, this person who seemed so far off and so godlike and so perfect and flawless, they're actually seeing them up close and realizing, oh, you're just a person and you have a lot of flaws and actually you seem really confused and unhappy. Maybe I shouldn't idolize you at all. So I think that is actually really healthy. My desire, though, is for people, obviously, like you said, not to idolize celebrities, also not to idolize ourselves and to realize that there is only one God who is worthy of worship, who doesn't change. That's really one of the most comforting things, I think, about the character of God is that the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. And with everything that is changing constantly, people's opinions, people's moral views, people's social views, everything that is constantly changing, the reminder that Jesus is steadfast and that he does not change is a great reminder that he is the only one worthy of our worship. The satisfaction that people are looking for when they look to celebrities to worship or look to themselves for worship, the satisfaction and the love and the joy and the freedom that you guys are longing for, it's not elusive. It's not a mystery. It's found in Christ. If you're looking for those things, he's right there. But we just keep saying, oh, no, no, no, no, no, it's probably Chelsea Handler. Like, oh, no, no, no, no, it's probably myself. Well, you're going to keep on getting disappointed. Do you think that they mean well? Do you think celebrities mean well? Probably. I think so. Now, you could argue that especially a lot of the stuff that's going on race-wise, and there have been, I think even Malcolm X would say this, there have been a lot of Black activists that say this, that a lot of the things that people, that white liberals do, especially white celebrities do in the way of trying to elevate Black voices or to help the Black community is really for themselves. It's for their own elevation. It's to show, hey, I'm compassionate. It's to signal to everyone that, hey, I'm really inclusive. There have actually been some very, what I would say, radical activists, Black activists call out someone like Chelsea Handler for making money off of the documentary she did about being a better white person. Well, you're still exploiting the pain and the suffering and the discrimination against Black people by doing that as a white woman. And so I think that there's a lot of that. Now, I won't say that about every celebrity. I think probably a lot of them have very soft hearts. I mean, they're all artists, and so they feel a lot. And so I think they genuinely are compassionate. And, you know, maybe Chelsea Handler, too. But I feel like I've singled her out a ton. Sorry. I watched your show in high school, and I really liked it, but— I know. I don't know what happened. I was such a fan of hers. There you go. But anyway, I do think that, you know, of course, there's a lot of selfish ambition behind a lot of that stuff. And it's not just in Hollywood. It's everywhere. People signaling their virtue for the sake of their—you know, that's what the Black Squares were, signaling their virtue for the sake of, you know, showing other people that you're a good person and not carrying one lick, whether or not it is going to help that woman who just lost her business because of the riots in Minneapolis. You know, what's interesting, though, about the Black Square culture is that, you know, when I posted my video and my perspective about the George Floyd thing, and it went viral, I had so many celebrities message me. Really? Celebrities who said, I totally agree with you. You know, this is so true. I can't say anything. And then I'd go, and I'd click to their profiles, and they posted a Black Square. Yeah. Right? And I'm sitting here thinking, I know that you don't agree with this, so why are you posting a Black Square? And one of them said to me, because I'll lose my job if I don't. I have to pretend. And there was actually a witch hunt going on. I say that right now we're living, you know, through the racist witch trials. Yeah. You know, this is just like the Salem witch trials, but it's like the racism witch trials, where it's like, they look for anything as a sign that it means that you're a racist. If you don't post a Black Square, that's enough for them to, you know, to nail you to the cross and say you are a racist individual. And so it almost makes you wonder, like, how many of them actually believe it, or has it become something where this is what they have to do, this is what they have to say in order to survive in this crazy realm of Hollywood or anybody? I mean, they're getting fired. I mean, are you reading these stories? Left and right, old tweets. If you got into an argument now, which is one of the more bizarre things, I saw someone who's Meghan Markle's best friend, Jessica Moroney. I don't really know what she does. Yeah. But she literally got fired from her job and she wasn't the only one because she got into an argument with a Black person. Nothing to do with race. It's just like you could have a squabble with anybody at work. Yeah. But now it's like Candace and Ally get into an argument and it must have been because Ally was racist. Yeah. And that's a scary environment for, I think, white people to grow up. I mean, that's just like that's scary. You have to always be nice. You have to always be wrong. You have to always apologize. Take out your cell phone, even if it's completely reasonable for you to be freaking out. If you freak out, it's Ally Stuckey freaked out on Candace because Candace Owens is Black and Ally Stuckey is white. Yeah. And Ally Stuckey is a Karen, which has totally become like a racial slur nowadays, no matter what someone is doing. The funny thing is, is that, like, I'll get people who go out of their way to come to my profile to tell me that I'm doing something wrong, which I'm pretty sure is the definition of a Karen. But because I am, you know, like a white Christian who is a conservative and talking about these things, they come and they say, OK, Karen, well, I'm going to report you. Really? Because I'm pretty sure you just asked to talk to the manager. So who's really the Karen here? But it's really just become like this racial slur that it is. So there's someone, actually, I already quoted him in this interview. But Vodie Bauckham, he talks about something called ethnic Gnosticism. So Gnosticism, the idea that you are revealed special knowledge. So you, as an ethnic Gnosticism would say, you know about racism because of the color of your skin. I don't know about racism. So you can tell me exactly what racism is. I cannot argue with you. I can't say, no, I didn't mean that in a racist way. Like, that's not what's in my heart. I don't mean that at all. No, I don't get to say that because you have the special knowledge because of your melanin count to tell me what is racist and what's not. I can never be contrite enough. I can never apologize enough. I can never make it right because I said something that was perceived racist that wasn't actually racist. It's the same thing that I don't know if you saw when AOC came after Kaylee McEnany, the press secretary, because she accused her. I saw that. Yeah, let's recap that in case there were people who didn't see that. No, you go. Oh, OK. Well, Kaylee McEnany said from the podium, she said, you know, some congresswomen are calling for the abolition of the police and including, you know, the Biden advisor, AOC enlisted, I guess, Ilhan Omar and whoever else. And AOC got very upset because I guess she just heard the Biden advisor part, giving her the benefit of the doubt. And she said, you know, this is a long tradition of white women stripping people, women of color of their titles, just calling me a Biden advisor and not a congresswoman. Thankfully, Kaylee McEnany tweeted back at her and showed her the transcript where she did say that AOC was a congresswoman. Well, this is liberal privilege that AOC was never asked to apologize. You can accuse someone of racism all day. It doesn't matter if it's false or not. This is an example of ethnic gnosticism of because of AOC's last name, because of her ethnicity, she is able to say that Kaylee McEnany meant something racist, even though she didn't say what AOC said that she said. And that obviously wasn't the intention of her heart. But because you have a certain skin tone, you have this special revelatory knowledge and you get to decide what is racist, what's not. We cannot have productive conversations if we can't decide on an objective definition of what is actually racist, because if we can decide on that objective definition, then everyone that I know, conservative Democrat, it doesn't matter, would say, yeah, that's bad. That's wrong to hate someone in your heart, whether it's the color of their skin or because of their age or disability or whatever. We can all agree on that. But if it's ever changing, if it's like apparently white supremacy to say, you know, I think that the best person should get the job, if it's white supremacy to vote for Donald Trump, if it's white supremacy to believe in meritocracy and these things, then we're never going to be able to get along because you will never be able to bring someone over to your side just for believing things that are objectively true that you deem racist completely subjectively. Well, I've actually been looking at it now and I've been trying to read all the stories and instances of alleged racism. And I think that I figured out what the newest updated definition of racism is. And it is anything that a black person does not like. So in my circle, broccoli is racist. I don't like particularly like broccoli. So broccoli is racist. If you want to protest broccoli is racist, I'm totally with you. I'm an ally in that. Suddenly we believe that black people are not allowed to go through any bad experiences, normal bad experiences. Everybody in the world can say if there's some employee, they had a bad experience with somebody that you exchanged words with, whether you're at a stoplight, FU, FU. If you said FU and that person that cut you off happened to be black, well, you said that because you were a racist. And I've been noticing that trend and I'm going, oh my goodness. So now we're thinking that black people who are already so coddled by the mainstream media, right? We don't have to obey laws. Even if we're grabbing a police officer's taser and punching him in the face, the police officer has absolutely no right to respond to that. Otherwise the police officer is somehow a racist. If he fires a shotgun, he's a racist instantly. Nobody's even asked, you can say that a police officer did something wrong, but how do you know the intentions of a racist versus just he did something wrong? So everything now suddenly gets assigned as racist. And Thomas Sowell has a sentence that he says a lot, which is that being black is not an inter-temporal abstraction. Meaning the idea that being black, what it meant to one person in the 1960s and that everyone was, every black person was having the same experience in the 1960s. And now every person that's black in America today is having the same experience. That isn't itself racist, right? So to say like, you know, this is what all black people are going through. It's wrong. You know what I mean? Like you, you cannot tell me some people might say, oh, I've had terrible circumstances with the police officers. I haven't. So does my experience not count? And maybe it's because I'm a law abiding citizen. I don't, I don't try to fight police officers. I have not had that experience. So the fact that the mainstream media decides on the narrative that all black Americans are going through, um, and we're supposed to get behind it. And if you're black, you have to then therefore hate the police. That is actually an example in itself of racism. And they would never place that kind of stress on white people. They would never say this is what all white people, they do white privilege. Right. Um, but both of those things are just, they're examples of racism, you know, paint such a broad stroke. Absolutely. And I've noticed this in the church too, how a lot of churches and pastors have respond, have responded in trying to be on the side of, uh, the woke in all of this, they will, you know, promote, okay. You know, white congregants, like we really need to read some of these books. We need to read Ta-Nehisi Coates. Like we need to read a white fragility. We need to read, uh, these things, which is written by a white woman, but we need to elevate the, these black voices. And my question, I've reached out to some of them. Okay. That's fine. Like I am all for people reading, expanding their minds. I will read and watch things that I don't agree with, but why are you only promoting one kind of black voice? Like, why are you only promoting one side of this? Like, do you want to read, uh, do you want to read Thomas Sowell? Do you want to read Jason Riley? Do you want to read John McWhorter? Do you want to read Walter Williams? What about those? My friend was actually telling me about a conversation that she was having with, uh, uh, one of her friends who goes to her church, who is a social justice advocate. And her friend was trying to challenge her and my friends, because she listens to my podcast and probably your podcast too, was like, but you know, there are black people with other perspectives than, than those people. And she said that her friend was shocked that she had no idea what she was talking about. And my friend said, you know, like, this is the problem. This is the problem is that you think that black people are a monolith. You think that they all have the same reactions to everything and it's just not true. And like you said, that's actually racist. There is no one more racist than the white liberal, well-meaning white liberal. Yeah. And I honestly, sometimes I wonder if they are well-meaning because to me, if you are well-meaning and you really think, okay, this is what I've been taught, which is totally plausible. This is what I've been taught. I assumed all black Americans are going through this. Well then when you actually did encounter someone who disagreed with you, you'd be interested. You'd go, okay, Candace, I actually want to hear what you have to say. Cause I've never heard that perspective, but they don't, they get very angry. And what that says to me, if your response to seeing a black conservative or no, thank you, which I will actually do on my personal Facebook page. If somebody writes this long sprawling, you guys know what time of year it is where all the white liberals are now suddenly turned into like, you know, political science majors and they wipe these sweeping condemnations of their own skin, you know, and it's just like, it's such virtue signaling, right? Us white people need to do better. I mean like who I could never imagine saying that about myself. I could never apologize for being born black. So it's weird to see white people do this in general, but I will sometimes answer and I'll say, you know, no, thank you. You know, I disagree with this. I definitely don't need you guys to all be doing this. You know, I need you to treat me like a regular person and not someone that needs to have their hand held because I do find it to be like rescuing a puppy. I find it to be very insulting. And the anger that they come back with, it's either a block and unfriend, uh, you don't know what you're talking about. Like, or, or, or in the most extreme circumstances, you'll see people say, if you're a white person, you're sharing Candace Owens's videos. Just know that you're further sharing for people from my high school saying that I'm like, Oh my gosh. And I'm going, you know what that says? You're not a well-meaning white liberal. You're doing it because you get off on telling your other white, your other white friends that I'm, I'm a better kind of a white person. They know more about being black in America than the woman who is not about going after people like you. It's saying I'm better than you Allie, because I have this perspective. I'm more worldly. I'm more secular. I understand what's going on. And it's really, it's a white crime. Right. You know what I mean? And if I say, okay, I have learned a lot from black scholars. Actually, I would say that a lot of my theological and political views have been informed by people who happen to have a high melanin count and I didn't seek them out because of that. But it's just because people like Thomas soul and Jason Riley and some of the podcasts that I listened to, they happen to be very sound and smart people. I'm like, I can give you a list of black resources. Like if you're interested in elevating black voices, I can give you a lot of black resources. If you're not willing to hear me out, like if you don't want to hear my perspective about racial stuff, that's fine. I don't know what it's like to be black. I can give you a list of resources. Nope. Nope. They don't want them. They don't want those resources. They don't want that perspective. They don't want your perspective. It's about them. It's selfish. It's not about black people. It's truly about them. And that sort of gets back at what you're talking about in your book, which is just, you know, it's become a culture of me, me, me, me, me. How do I make myself feel better? How do I elevate myself? How do I look at myself in the And I see so much of that when I look at white guilt. And, you know, one of the things that I, a story that I saw recently, and I want to ask you, where does this go for the white Americans? Where does this end for the white Americans that have accepted this narrative that are offering apologies, that are putting up black squares, that are making their children wear things like, you know, you see the little four-year-olds wearing, like, I'm aware of my white privilege, which to me is just absolutely despicable. It's I mean, just like take the child away from this. I mean, it's horrible. I can't imagine making my child feel guilty about being born black. I can't wrap my head around. But there was the instance of, who's the glee girl, Leah? Michelle. Michelle. Did you see that? Did you see what she got? She's canceled. She lost all of her sponsorships. And the story is just so absurd. So she did her virtue signaling, you know, Hollywood thing. And she tweeted like, we need to do more for black people, blah, blah, blah, Black Lives Matter. And then some girl that she worked with on set happened, you know, who happened to be black said, Are you kidding me? You were like such a B-I-T-C-H to me. And I remember how awful you were to me, right? That was it. They just said that she was mean to her on set. And then a bunch of other girls, some of them white, actually, the majority of them white said, Yeah, Leah's really mean to everybody on set, right? Somehow that turned into Leah's a racist. And she got dropped. She never got accused of saying an N-word, never say anything. It seems to me that it was apparent that across the board, Leah is not a nice girl on set. And I can totally buy that. She doesn't look like she's the nicest girl in the entire world. But how does that turn into now? She's a racist. And she then issued a blubbering apology. Like, I'm working on myself. I need to understand how I play into this. And I'm thinking, why are you apologizing? You can apologize for being like, I need to be nicer. But why are you biting on this race narrative? And where does it end when white people keep doing this, keep getting on their knees figuratively and literally in front of black people who just say, I don't like what you did to me? Well, it's never going to be enough. And I think what we learned from the story that you just told is that, okay, so it's not equal treatment. So it is unequal treatment that we're wanting. I mean, maybe she is really a mean person, but I mean, she's probably equally mean to all people. And so I guess it's not equal treatment. It is, like I said, disparate treatment. You actually want inequality when it comes to treating people the same. And what we see, especially I would say in the church, that's just like the perspective that I have and the people that I follow and seen is that some people believe that what Jesus tells us to do, that loving the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength and loving your neighbor as yourself is not enough. So it's not enough to just love your neighbor. It's not enough for me to be kind to you and to treat you as a friend, just like I would treat any of my other friends. Like that's not enough to serve people and to help people just like you would any other person. You have to do special penance, I guess, and use special language. That's why a lot of people have claimed that the whole movement has become a cult, because it mirrors in a lot of ways Christian orthodoxy in penance, in repentance, in paying back, in holiness, and obedience, and things like that. But it is a graceless religion. It's a graceless religion. You can never pay enough for your sins. And by the way, it's not just your sins that you have to pay for and get down on your knees for. It is possibly, maybe, the sins of your great-great-great-great grandparents who might have owned slaves. That's what you need to pay for. That's what you need to apologize for. You need to apologize for and pay for the things, for the privilege, that you didn't even know that you had and that you've never even used to exploit a person of color. Like you need to apologize for that, and even then it'll never really be enough. So my encouragement to people of all kinds, people of all skin colors, is to do what God calls you to do. Love your neighbor as yourself. You want to make a difference in the lives of people? Go be kind to people. Go help people. Go pay for someone's groceries. Go help feed people. Deliver food to people. Help the homeless people, no matter, you know, what their skin color is. Go volunteer at an abortion clinic where Black, Hispanic, white women are walking in every day believing that the best option for them is to kill the baby inside their womb. Go act like those lives matter by doing something. And don't worry about meeting the arbitrary, ever-changing standards of the woke because you will never meet them. They will never be enough. God has already set the standard for you. Love your neighbor as yourself. No matter what their skin color is, you don't have to worry about the approval of the self-loathing woke liberals out there who, you know, their standards change from day to day. It's too exhausting to try to follow them. Well, I want to talk to you about the church because, I mean, I always say, you know, I'm a Bible believer and I'm a Christian. I have tons of issues with some of the churches, you know, and that, you know, started from the time that I was 11 years old. My grandfather was really strict about us reading the Bible every single day, but there were some issues with his church that I didn't particularly like. And I've seen a lot of that. And when I walk around now today, what is this that we're seeing with churches that are pro-LGBTQ, churches that have Black Lives Matter, the fist and the flag, you know, waving high? We accept everybody here, which, you know, obviously that sentence, of course, at a church we accept everybody here, but you know what I mean, what they're implying when they have it behind an LGBTQ flag. What's happening to the church? I mean, we're talking about abortion. There are pastors that are okay with abortion. I mean, you know what I'm saying? So what is happening to the church that we're seeing this, seeing it take a leftist turn? And what does that really mean for Christians? Well, it's progressive Christianity and the so-called church. And I say that in heavy quotations, the so-called church sounding more like the world rather than the world sounding like the church, how it should be. I mean, we're called to be a city on a hill, light in the darkness, but really they're just adding to the darkness with more darkness cloaked in something that sounds like Christianity. But they don't believe what I think is the most controversial verse in the Bible, which is Genesis 1.1, God created the heavens and the earth. If God created the heavens and the earth, then he says what is and what isn't, what's true and what's false, what male and what female is, what's right and what's wrong. And if you believe God has authority over those things, then you also believe that he has the authority to define something like sexuality, like marriage, like gender. And that doesn't mean that you don't love those people and that you're not friends with those people and that you don't, you know, serve those people. Of course, of course you do. But you should be able to stand strong on the word of God because that is the basis on which we have our faith. And if you abandon that, then why even go to church on Sunday? That's what I always say. Go to brunch. Like there are better ways to spend your Sunday if you are going to learn the same thing sitting in a pew as you will if you read Cosmo or if you watch MSNBC. And that's why actually there's one encouraging statistic, according to Pew Research, that progressive churches, what I call nominal churches, so Christian in name only, they are the fastest dwindling church. So they are the churches that are losing the most members because thankfully people are realizing I can get this ideology anywhere. Like I can turn on CNN and hear the same thing as I'm hearing this so-called pastor preach to me. If the church is offering the same thing that the world is in the way of justice, in the way of truth, in the way of love and satisfaction, no one's going to go to church. But the churches that are actually standing strong, the so-called fundamentalist churches, which is not, it's not fundamentalist, it's just people who believe in the word of God, that God is authoritative, that he says what justice is, he says what right and wrong is, he says what love is. And it's so much better who actually preach the real saving grace of Jesus Christ, that you actually have to repent from your sins through his strength. Those are the churches that are staying strong. Those are the churches that are actually growing. And I've said for a lot of the Christians that are out there that are, you know, they're discouraged because they've seen a lot of churches go in the way of the woke, or they have, you know, capitulated on different social issues, whether it's abortion, whether it is, you know, some other social issue, is that the church, it thrives on the margins. And so yes, we will see more persecution of the church. It will be harder to be a Christian. It will be less popular, less lucrative, less safe to be a Christian. But really, that is the norm for most of Christian history, and for everywhere else in the world, by the way. America has been insulated from that kind of persecution for the past few hundred years, and that is very rare, like, in human history. And so I tell Christians, be ready, because the age of the cultural Christian is dead. It's gone. The cultural Christian will die off. It will not be popular anymore to just say you're a Christian but not really live like it. And the church, the true church, will be refined by fire, not destroyed by it. And the people who truly hold to the Word of God and believe and serve Jesus Christ will be the ones left standing. And that is where the church becomes the city on the hill that we are called to be in America. So even though it's scary to face the kind of persecution that we're seeing and the infringements upon religious liberty and all of that stuff in the United States, the last beacon of liberty that exists, it's okay. Like, this is where God shines through His church, and He's got His church. We don't have to worry about it being destroyed. It can't be. I totally agree with you. And I said to my husband the other day, I mean, we were talking about how, you know, what we're seeing play out right now in America really is a battle between good and evil, a battle between Satan, the author of lies and deception, and the people of God. And my biggest regret this year so far has been that when I paid my taxes and I realized that I could have given so much more to our church, you know, and I really encourage people, you know, you can give it to the government or you can give it to a church. And if you can, these people, they need to spread the gospel. We need this more than ever. And I'm seeing it every single day. Hey, you don't even have to go to church to donate to a church. You just can decide whether or not you'd rather donate to the government or whether you'd rather donate to people like Allie Stuckey and people that are spreading the gospel. So please, first and foremost, download her podcast. It is great. It is relatable. You're on your iTunes right now, presumably. You're either on YouTube watching me or you're on iTunes. You can go scroll and find relatable and go get her book. You're Not Enough and That's OK by Allie Stuckey. You guys know that we wrap every single episode by allowing Allie to leave a face message for the world. And we know that whatever she is going to say, it is going to be the gospel. On your mark, get set, world, I give you Miss Allie Stuckey. OK, one thing that I will say, talking about generosity to your churches, I just want to echo what Candace said and how important that is right now. First of all, I encourage you to find a biblical church that is preaching the word of God, that is preaching the gospel. There are a lot of good resources out there. Go to FoundersMinistries.com. They've got a church finder. You can enter your zip code and you can find a good, faithful biblical church around you. I do encourage you to donate money to your church, even if you're paying a lot of tax, a lot in taxes. There is a parable of the widow's mite. She didn't have hardly any money, and yet she gave a lot of what she had, even though she was poor. And Jesus praised her in that parable for doing that. We give to Caesar what is Caesar's and we give to God's what is God's. That's what Jesus tells us to do. And if you find a biblical church, yes, give your time, give your money, give your resources, get plugged into that church, because I know that a lot of you out there feeling alone, like you are alone in your principles, you're alone in your values, you're alone in your faith. And I'm here to tell you that you're not, that there are millions of people who think like you do. Maybe they're not on social media. Maybe they're not as outspoken. Maybe they're scared. But I encourage you to find community. You don't have to agree on everything in your church communities, but find people who love God, who love their neighbor, who love God's word and want to obey him and want to work together for the advancement of God's kingdom and the good of the gospel. Don't forget to pray that the Bible says that the prayer of the righteous person has great power and how good is God that he has given us access to him through Jesus Christ. And so I'm just feeling right now that a lot of you out there are scared and you're feeling lonely and discouraged and just know that you are not alone, that you have a God who sympathizes with your weaknesses, that knows your burdens and knows your concerns and cares for you. And there are millions in the Christian church who are struggling and going through the same things that you are. So stay strong, continue to pray, continue to serve, continue to give, continue to be obedient, love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, love your neighbor as yourself, and don't worry about the rest. And that's all I have. Wow. And buy my book. Literally two minutes. She's just so perfect. Allie, you are incredible. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you guys for watching the latest episode of the Candace Owen show. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation as much as I did. As many of you guys already know, PragerU is a 501c3 non-profit organization, which means we need your help to keep all of our content free to the public. Please consider making a tax-deductible donation today. I would really appreciate your support.