February 11th 2024 // LIVE SHOW - Starship, IFT, take 3!

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] n well hello everyone and welcome to tomorrow today for February 11th 2024 I'm here uh temporarily running things probably for the next 30 seconds because guess who else is here as well that's right we've got Jamie right over in the bottom corner from myself relative here I've got DNA directly below me and Ryan directly to uh my this direction of me so uh we're all here the whole crew is here don't well don't everybody get too excited yeah I I hav done a com check can you guys hear me I literally yeah we can but you're very far away very distant wait wait wait wait okay you go you keep going okay well I was going to say this delightful you know here at Super Bowl Sunday here in the United States so uh that does mean that we're going to be having a little bit of a Super Bowl of space with all four of us hanging out today just talk about some of the interesting things that have been happening of course if you want to help us out here at tomorrow is our our chat B is showing uh yes Andy Lawson saying saying hold on I need to finish a song you can head on to youtube.com TM jooin to support us here and of course liking subscribing commenting other fun things you can do that to help us out as well but we got a lot to talk about today not a lot of time to do it in um so I figure probably some of the most important stuff this week we're going to hand it over to Ryan to talk about that because uh SpaceX was pretty busy this week Ryan and uh they were they were stacking and launching some very important things yeah and for some reason they decided to wait till apart apart from ra the Boost anyway not salty at all so booster 10 and ship 28 the combination which is going to take Starship hopefully further than it's ever been before uh uh has made it to the pad for fingers crossed barring any kind of last minute hiccups the final time booster 10 was stacked the other day onto the olm exactly uh and the ship was stacked last night uh on top of that said booster uh for the first time in a very what feels like a very long time we had a daytime roll out of a booster which was wonderful so we can actually see what's going on um and we're not like squinting through the dark to actually see what's happening so you know that that was nice to see at least uh and yeah everything seems to be going PR pretty smooth apart from the fact that you know when SpaceX puts off the Kon at like I don't know 10:00 a.m. and then they don't launch until don't uh stack until midnight you know that that's only a little bit annoying but you know you know we we'll forgive them for a couple things but uh yeah so we're fully stacked on the pad which is exciting and something that we need to see in order for the next steps for testing which is expected to be a wet dress rehearsal of some sort uh and then fingers crossed uh SpaceX submits the mishap investigation Shenanigans they sort that out with the FAA and then they get the green light to go ahead and launch within the next few weeks and uh my prediction of February Jared I don't know if you have all the predictions in front of you at this point in time but my prediction of February I'm starting to lose hope unfortunately because it does seem ever more unrealistic now March I'm going to I can't change my prediction but I'm going to say March at this point uh I would say that that I would I would say early of a month is the 1st through the 10th mid of a month is 11th through the 20th and then late in a month is the 2 first to the end of it um for our for those of us at tomorrow at least who officially made uh predictions I'm out I said late January to early February I'm done um I still I still said what I was going to what it was going to do which is that it was going to make it to re-entry but then break up on re-entry uh so we'll see if it still does that uh Sakura it's February through March so that was a big swath uh Ryan you had mid to late February as yours uh with that there um and uh quite uh uh uh the next person who would have it coming up would be one of our viewers Ricky Nixon on Valentine's Day um and actually uh Bennett I want to throw this out there Bennett uh it specifically said Super Bowl weekend so Bennett you've got at least here on the on the west coast in the in the Pacific time zone where the Super Bowl is occurring in Las Vegas uh you've got another what is it 13 hours 55 minutes so if they do launch in 13 hours 5 5 minutes he'll be fine but outside of that uh Bennett it's done and then uh also AA late January to early February sorry sorry you are joining me in the incorrect bin uh as it seems so yeah so a lot of us uh just in the past couple days we we lost I guess so yeah we need to keep a real tracker I keep saying we're going to do that and then I never do by the way can you hear me better now yes you're much better repeat repeat what you said you weren show up literally as the show is starting repeat what you said you weren't on screen oh oh sorry uh what I was saying is we need to get an actual real tracker if someone in the community wants to build like a just like a Google Docs or a um Microsoft like Excel something something so we can track this stuff I think that'd be a lot of fun I think we should have fun little Rewards or something um um for the community and I don't know what that is but I I I I don't know I feel like these like little fun little competitions are neat and like we should actually track them for real and like give out like challenge coins or just something to the community for whoever gets closest you know yeah we could like there's you know I've got plenty of tomorrow studio two station 204 stuff in my house we could grab like a like a power cord and we can all sign it Sharpie send it to I do have an idea are you guys when you guys go talk about SpaceX pull me off camera cuz I'm sure there's a ton of SpaceX today pull me off camera I have to go do something and then show up and it's going to be hilarious okay all right um back to SpaceX then so all right well then I'm gonna jump off camera I'll be right back so goodbye Jamie um um in fact there there she goes with oh man uh I was just going to say say um what are the primary differences between uh uh ship 28 and booster 10 compared to what was flown on integrated flight Test 2 like what are the big changes that have occurred um in the the months since that November flight something that I know you're very uh always interested to talk about is the heat shield and aesthetically visually the tiles on ship 28 they just look it's hard to explain they just look neater than on ship 25 like I don't know whether that means that they're installed tighter they're stronger or what but they just look a bit more uniform a bit smoother a bit neater it just looks like a more refined vehicle compared to ship 25 which you know it looked great but it's still a little bit hodg Podge here and there and from the WB 57 footage which was released by NASA just in the last week we can see that by like a few minutes into flight there were loads of white patches on on the ship meaning the tiles had fell off so you know the heat shield is really like the key thing that they want to focus on now because they have from flight one they got the data to improve for flight two from flight two they have the data to improve to improve for flight three they I mean they were so close to inserting the ship's uh proper trajectory for flight two right they they were so close they were so close and the only reason they didn't make it is because of a self-inflicted liquid oxygen vent so if they can mitigate those issues from flight two for flight three the the heat shield is really going to come into its own because it's going to be entering the atmosphere again on the other side of the planet so it is really interesting to see how the like just the uniformity if that's even a word of the heat shield is just looking mucher for 28 uniformity yeah close enough yeah you know that was that was perfectly reasonable okay silly English making up words well you know here in here in the United States we're allowed to do that so Ryan car carry on as you were um so to me the heat Shield's the biggest part because that is that is a very tough challenge to do um especially for a vehicle like Starship where it's going to be I don't want to necessarily describe it is is sitting and soaking in heat but that is essentially what the heat shield has to do here um it's not going to I as far as I know for the re-entry um profile that I have seen it's not like a a capsule where it's coming back but it is it is like it is like a steeper version of the shuttle but it's not as steep as a capsule like there's still has to be some cross range capability with it if you want to actually get it to land precisely where you want it to um so it can't Barrel in like a capsule can it's got to be gentle gentle I guess is how I would say it uh basically you don't have Arrow surfaces on it because you're coming in super hot I guess is how I would describe it um and it's taking a lot of those things that it said it wasn't going to do such as like a piece a tile heat shield and things and it ended up doing it it's so I assume relatively final design we have we have often thought of a multitude of final designs for this launch vehicle and this flame water Del I mean we could go all the way back to the the multiple versions that we've seen this since the interplanetary transport system so um and even before that there were still other versions um before that like like Falcon xx and other other programs that go back Beyond a decade um from where we are now um so we'll have to see obviously what the final product is but I do agree with you Ryan which is that um chip 28 looks really good uh and I'm really hoping that they that they nail it this time um yeah our as ARS saying this isn't even the the supposed Starship 2.0 um that's there yet so if there's if there's one company where that I I don't want to be responsible for configuration control it's SpaceX yeah it seems like every week There's a new one uh that comes out so there's just a a a a whim from the top that ends up making uh things so yeah we'll uh we we'll see uh what ends up happening so um and uh let's see Raj is asking when the next Starship super heavy launch happens will you be live streaming is that question aimed at us because I don't believe we will be um unless there is something that's that's at tomorrow space news I think that's ask us Pro probably not unless it happens during one of our live shows but I'm sure Ryan will be on NSF yeah that would be that would be really good timing to launch you know just after Jamie will be live streaming no not quite I don't work the webcasts anymore but I think the question becomes do you guys want us to live stream I feel like you've got a plethora of options right you've got NASA space flight Tim do the everyday astronaut um you've got space flight now you've got the Launchpad Network like what if there is something that you think we bring to the table that they're not giving you I'm I mean and certainly like it's there's personality there too right so one could argue oh well we want your personality on screen but like what are we bringing to the table that's not already presented there um if if you guys have a compelling something for that I'm more than happy to entertain the option but like yeah right now I don't think you know we did that back in the space shuttle days we kind of we we brought something to the table we kind of changed how launch coverage worked right we added the onscreen Telemetry we did a whole bunch of really cool stuff with with regards to like what you think a live launch coverage event should look like and then like everyone took it and ran with it and did a really great job with it arguably better than we could so what are we bringing to the table at this point that would make it compelling uh I think that's my question and if you guys have a great idea or if you there's something you want to see more than happy to entertain it but like until I answer that particular question I'm not sure what it is you know yep and I think this is what we give away by the way I was trying so hard not to laugh for the last this this is the messed up version too where there's a misspelling in here somewhere I love their shirt so much you can see that Ryan is Thoroughly entertained by it yeah right now he's this one he's this one right now is that is that a NASA space flight special or what what is that this will likely be on the tomorrow store at some point oh okay gotcha yeah conf confu there is a this one won't be on the store cuz there's a misspelling which I think Ryan was the one who was like um hey guys yes yeah but yes uh I think this shirt is absolute magic uh because we kept joking about hey we should have a shirt for the show and then uh I'm a terrible human being I forgot who made this shirt does anyone remember no I don't I didn't I didn't even realize we had this shirt oh yeah yeah well it was kind of worked a little bit in secret kind of in the back end um but yeah anyhow um I think it would be like so back to my previous point we should have an Excel spreadsheet or something that has all of these things and whoever wins gets like cool swag like one of these shirts or something anyhow I I derailed the show I'm so sorry go back to SpaceX it's fine it's fine you derailed it in the best possible way which is which is that's Jamie that's how you operate um so um Jamie decides where the rails are that is very true um I want them over here yeah we we kind of we aim for the rails but we often land in the ditch I guess is how I would say it um so uh so Ryan we also did have a pretty big SpaceX launch from this week uh very a very important SpaceX launch to to the scientific Community uh yeah so so Falcon launched pace which stands for Plankton aerosol ocean something environments I think something something I forgot it's an acronym of course it's that's it's acronym acronym uh and uh this uh this is essentially building on all of the different like how do you describe it basically like climate monitoring kind of uh scientific missions of the past like combining every instrument you can think of together you have an insane number of colors to measure doing it at different angles do it this is kind of the the the the the best of the best in terms of climate monitoring and Earth like scientific observation and ocean monitoring and EV any everything and anything you can think of pace is basically like the the top level thing to be measuring this and studying this and on top of all of that all of this data is going to be available to anyone who wants it within 24 hours of it being captured so if you just think about how much stuff pace is collecting and then they're going to be Distributing it to literally everybody who wants it within a day is just kind of mindboggling how there's just so much data being collected and it's all being distributed it it it's a crazy Mission not only because of the you know the satellite itself but because of the amount of data that is going to be distributed so yeah pace is definitely one like one of them like it's a it's a big mission yeah I was going to say very rarely do we ever look at an earth Mission and use the words Flagship um sort of the top rank of what NASA uh dedicates to missions um but being a billion dollar Mission and and literally being a billion dollar delivery system um pace is 100% a part of NASA's flagships um and uh this is going to be an incredible program and I really I cannot wait to see the data sets that are made and then how the data sets are used um because often times with a lot of these spacecraft um the Earth monitoring ones it really does end up becoming a if you if you build it they will come kind of operation um these data set are are rich just on their own so I can't even imagine what it's going to be like to have this much data across that many spectrums of data that quickly and what people are going to be capable of doing with it so Pace stands for Plankton aerosol Cloud ocean e ecosystem yeah it is the whole enada so they they skipped the O in Ocean apparent ly in and used ecosystem cuz if not it' be like peso or something they could just call it Paco Paco that's P my friend Paco I don't know so yeah they're probably probably did not uh that probably would not have gone over uh very well in NASA HQ which is fine so Pace sounds better so so they've got signal acquired as of February 24th okay so they're they're working towards it so yeah that's awesome yeah I'm wondering if it's going to help out with uh weather predictions and things like that so was over the last decade all the uh excuse me all the new goes uh uh weather satellites have been able to help out with weather predictions I don't know if you've noticed that over the past decade we've been able to no longer just stick to three in seven days we've been able to actually do 10 to to sometimes even 14 days accurately and a lot of that comes from injections of new data from from the more advanced goh satellites that have been launching lately so um so I don't know maybe we'll be able to see more um help help make weather models even more accurate possibly so um that'd be awesome I'd like that I can't I can't wait for all the data that the climate deniers are not going to be able to deny yeah indeed they'll have access to it just like everybody else does and speaking of satellites uh there's actually another one currently waiting at the cape uh goes youu uh which is scheduled to launch on the 30th of April net currently of course it's over a month out uh on a falcon heavy uh which is going to be very interesting it's uh I'd say it's kind of the classic Falcon heavy configuration we're all used to by now the side boosters will be uh coming back for an rtas recovery and the Cent core will be EXP expended so uh yeah there's another one uh it was delivered just the other week on a on a big uh C5 so yeah they are they are chunky satellites shall we say yeah they're the ghost ones are are loaded with instrumentation and they are not uh they're not small anymore they're pretty big so if I remember right there uh the first couple of them of the series refly on on Atlas Atlas F in the 541 configuration so these were not uh these are not small puppies I guess as a way to say mhm so I remember when we used to have to do the infographics on all the different Atlas variants and like what all the numbers meant like every every show on Space big cast you'd be like all right five meters four single engine Centaur or I missed the at the atlas was fun yeah it was a I mean it's not gone well I guess technically all the other variants outside of what Kyper is going to to fly are gone um but you know so we can just pull the five now we don't need to worry about the numbers anymore I'm sorry Ryan I stepped on you we don't need to worry about the numbers anymore because they're all the same variant from now on we can just call it Act five I guess it was it's Delta we're done with not Atlas right yeah we got one one more Delta heavy completely out one more great yeah uh um oh jtv's asking I'm late where can I get that Ryan shirt you gota you have to be closest to the launch contest I think to win the Ryan shirt I think this will be our number one seller hands down yeah I'm for it [Laughter] so yeah I think uh I think that's going to Once those go on sale they're going to be flying off the off the shelves as quickly as they can So speaking of of Miss beld shirts Richard Palmer says it's gra to see Jamie thank you um so speaking of I have not been on the show for a hot minute because you know work uh I've got I have so much going on it's crazy but um you talked about have you guys talked about Sierra Nevada yet and like you you know the Dreamchaser is in shake and bit now I wanted to talk about that today okay well because there's a few things involving space space planes today that are uh I think interesting because it's not just uh it's not just the Dreamchaser that I want to talk about today so well if we if you'll allow me to entertain just Dreamchaser for a moment uh I just please you know it's it's probably my favorite shuttle vehicle kind of in the MS right now right because it's just this old the space shuttle itself we we've we've we've talked about this at nauseum but like you know it it never met its promise it was a beautiful work of engineering it was just it was so much fun to watch it it was red like the future right when you looked at it it was Dripping of like this is the future of human space flight and it's really sad that it just it wasn't like it just it just wasn't but Sierra Nevada with their Dreamchaser I don't know it brings back that like beautiful Elegance of the shuttle you know there's just this there's something about it that just tugs up my heartstrings and I just love it I just absolutely love it and I'm excited because I saw I just saw like in passing again because I'm just I've got like all these projects going on but like in passing I noticed it was going into well I said shake and bake but I think it's only going in for shake I don't think there's any bake going on right we're just they're they they they mounted it to their what do they call it the sky the their mounting system for the Sierra Nevada has a cool name um anyhow uh they mounted it to that I'm gonna see if I can find it uh the Ultra Cool mounting system no it does it has a really cool name uh it's uh shooting star that's what it is they mounted it to their shooting star uh basically that's their um their payload attach fitting their path and so they mounted it to that and then they brought it into uh one of the NASA centers and they're just shaking the beebers out of it to see if it will actually um yeah the shooting start cargo module I'm sorry it's not their path it's their cargo module uh they're shooting it to or they're shaking it to see like what happens right like go through flight type stuff and and go from there and I I was just I was I'm always excited to see Dreamchaser Move Along because this is the little program that could right they didn't win all of the NASA contracts out of the gate right the little program that should have well the this is like like you know we talk about new space and we talk about you know companies like putting their own you know money and investments into things as opposed to the traditional like Cost Plus contract where the companies have no incentive Sierra Nevada embodies everything that we promote with regards to like put your own money behind it put your own teams behind it first and then go win the contracts that's exactly what they did after losing contracts mind you right they lost out on what was it C CCT cap I think they went for it was one of the one of the crazy acronym contracts I don't remember which one but cargo contract I think they went for the crew contract like they lost they lost and they kept developing this thing albeit slower slower but like you know you still got to be able to afford it and so I just think it's really freaking cool that they never gave up on this thing and they're just like no we're going to make it this is awesome we're going to make it happen one way or another and then they did win a contract and now it is going to go like it's going to fly on top of Vulcan Atlas are they still on Atlas what are they flying on Falcon Falcon no no or did you Ryan did you say falcon or Vulcan I said this is my British accent I said Vulcan oh V yeah yeah yeah V Victor Victor Vulcan Victor it's not flying on Falcon no Fox Tri yeah Vulcan flight to right I just think this is uh because I think it was supposed to be on an atlas if I remember right and then like that's not a thing anymore so now they're on volan run outes yeah yeah so I I don't know I'm just really excited for this I'm really excited to see it enter Shake if not shake and bake yeah there you go um yeah yeah exactly exactly that I I just I don't know I I'm anytime I see news from Sierra Nevada I'm just excited because I'm like yeah let's make this thing happen What I really would love to see and I don't know how realistic this is but like let's get the crew variant of this thing going right like let's let's put um what it uh ugly bags of mostly water in these things self-loading payload right and and uh and make that go anyhow that that's that's the extent you guys I'm sure have more information on Sierra Nevada but like or on the Dreamchaser yeah thank you for the yeah shake and bake flight plan for I 1X yeah that was that was definitely a shake and bake so for those who don't know shake and bake is basically um you put whenever you're flying something to space uh you need to you know getting to space is a very Vibe intensive procedure right like it's going it's going to shake a lot on the way up because you know effectively the harmonics from the engines translates through the entire vehicle right so the whole vehicle is just shaking on the way up to space now the cleaner your fuel burn for example a hydrolock engine that's not going to shake a whole lot now you're going to get g-forces on it still so you need to test on that but like and the dirtier the burn for example oh I don't know a solid the more you're going to shake there's some amazing footage if you go to YouTube of the Space Shuttle ascent and you can see the astronauts in there just like violently shaking back and forth and you can tell the moment the solids detach from the vehicle because then they're just pressed into their seat and they're not shaking anymore it's it's kind of an interesting video to go back and watch I'm sure you can just um just search YouTube for like astronaut space shuttle internal Ascent or something like that and if I if I'm not mistaken doesn't the the fuel that you're using kind of determine the frequency range within which you vibrate C relation to the rocket and all that yeah yeah so if you're looking at a rocket with like complex hyper card so you do like a Carol engine it's you're going to get more um you're just it's just going to shake more it's going to be a more violent um burn than say a methyls so methyls will be easier than carols and then down the hydrolocks so H I should explain so trying to not speak in like Aerospace terms right so carolo being a kerosene liquid oxygen engine metho being a methane liquid oxygen and hydrolock being a hydrogen liquid oxygen because you got to bring your oxygen with you right fire TR you need to have oxygen as is one of the objects in the triangle there's no oxygen in space So Fire triangle bring your oxygen with you um so it's your yeah there you go uh that's a very huge over oversimplification of it but anyhow as you go down that chain and it's easier to burn less complex carbons uh it will be it should be in theory a smoother ride uh certainly nothing is going to be perfectly smooth you've got fire shooting on the rear end of your rocket at more than mock one right like it's gonna be intense man so the point point of all of this is I'm sorry I got off on a long tangent is you're you're you're violently shaking things on the way uphill right and so what what what you need to do is like let's just say you're bringing your iPhone to space and your iPhone is attached to structure and it's doing some iPhone thing right it's doing uh whatever and if you if the iPhone cannot handle the vibration of the ascent and it breaks AP heart then you've kind of got two modes at that point um you've got one mode where it will fail safely and then you've got another mode where it will fail and cause harm meaning um if it f if it goes up and the screen cracks and is obliterated but it doesn't touch anything else electrically the device itself has failed it didn't make it all the way uphill um and that's generally not great but it's fine you like at least you can try if it fails and causes harm or it can fail and short a circuit and rip you know destroy part of the rocket that's no no good for flight that's not flying and then the third option of course is like doesn't fail right it it actually makes it up through and so then you've got these different levels right so then you've got like your actual flight profile of what it's really going to be but you never want to do that then you have to have like fault tolerant plus one which I think is like double and then you go up to like something like 5x or some ridiculous number of like what your Vibe on flight is expected to be and then you try to survive that and and that's just a crazy crazy number so any point is it's this entire spaceship now is going through Vibe tests to make sure that it can go up to space and then a not fail B where does it fail right because in engineering you often try to test to failure uh which sounds backwards but you actually want to know exactly where the breaking point is right because if you don't actually know where it fails then you're always just guessing until it does um and then C like will it like if if it does have minor issues like are those catastrophic issues blah blah blah blah anyway point point of this is the shake test is a big one normally you get a bake test as well where you also have to cook it because when you go into space it's going to you're going to get thermals that are nuts right you're pointed at the sun it's positive some crazy number you're pointed away from the sun it's negative some crazy number you got to deal with all of that so usually you combin youate these two tests into one and that test is called a shake and bake so I'm sorry for going off on a very long tangent you probably all already knew this but there you go that shake and B end of my story yeah there you go that is uh that is that is the summary of shake and bake it I don't think that was a summary it was a mini novel that was the short Nolla of shake and bake that was a sonnet sonnet yeah so anyhow that's why I'm excited for Sierra Nevada but Jared you mentioned more shuttles or more winded vehicles yes there is more winged dead vehicles um that I at least am excited to announce that I do believe that we have a record um in terms of winged did did vehicle um in orbit around the Earth in terms of altitude and things like that the orbital test Vehicles also known as the x37 um we have an we have one that has finally been spotted so the one that launched on Falcon heavy back in December uh they amateur satellite trackers have finally found it it's taken it a little bit of time um to get there but they have found it in a wild orbit so there was rampid speculation that this was going to be going to every kind of orbit you could possibly think of except low earth orbit and indeed it's not in low earth orbit at all um it's actually been deployed to a highly elliptical High Earth orbit um and it is at an inclination of 59 degrees so um quite a considerable amount and in addition to that it has a Pare of 323 kilometers and then an apy of 38,800 kilometers so this thing is going almost almost all the you know out to geosynchronous but then diving back in and that I you know I haven't looked it up yet um but just from my understanding you know shuttle was the highest flying wing spacecraft of all time um I don't think so anymore um it has got to be this specific x37 B that has done that um so yeah just a that is an a ising altitude to put a winged vehicle at and I'm very very interested to see what the re-entry Dynamics are going to be um for something like that because it's going be moving it's moving fast uh yeah it's going to be cooking coming back so we'll have to we'll have to see what happen we'll have to see if this one makes it back um so um there's some speculation that this might be carrying instrumentation to um allow itself uh to test out infrared sensors that would be hunting hunting ballistic missiles being launched and things like that that's rampant uh speculation uh but you know we'll we'll have to see if if we're ever Allowed by the United States space force to ever even know um what what may be on board I think there's a couple I think there was a Assa test where they're looking at um certain materials um and radiation effects on them and then of course they're space forces wanting to see essentially how the vehicle Works in this new orbital regime this new area um so again um so JTV saying didn't they say it was going to a crazy orbit like they did not trust SpaceX as far as I know it was the idea was that oh boy it's being used to be put into a crazier than usual orbit not that the crazy orbit is spacex's Fault um I don't think they just handed over one of the x37 the SpaceX and said hey give it the full send and let's see what happens what what can you do with that you know impress us um with that benett fast furious 13 ground control to Major domum all right Bennett there's your there's your pen there's your for the show very very nice um with it and then as Lionel was saying the shuttle is still the highest flying wing the the crude vehicle though or so we assume so I think shuttle I think it's a little hard to hide a a launch vehicle so yeah I think shuttle is uh very much uh uh the the record holder of crude Wing dead Vehicles so um but just whoa like what an amazing uh what an amazing Discovery I guess is how I would describe it so like wow that thing is that thing is up there like that's high up so we'll uh we'll have to see what it does and how it changes its orbit over the next uh over the next few uh well we don't know how long the mission technically is going to take it could be a few years forever for um with the way those things operate was the longest OTV Mission I think it was something days I think yeah so a ridiculous amount of time here's the orbit if you want to take a look at it based upon just about three years what they were doing yeah pretty close to that um so we'll we'll have to we'll have to see what that ends up looking at you can see that woo theend does it go way the heck out there um with that so Yik so I I I'm I'm curious about how they got to that orbit like were they at a lower orbit and then the x37 itself had to to boost to get up to that orbit or did they use the Falcon to get up to that orbit I imagine it would mostly be Falcon doing that work um I'm not sure exactly what the the capability of the x37 V is obviously it's a couple hundred meters per second of of Delta Delta V or basically velocity change um that it can do um so we'll have to we'll have to see and then the same holds true for getting out of that orbit it's it's not going to Decay very much uh with all the energy that it has as it passes closer to the Earth so uh in order to deorbit there you have to do a burn on kind of The Descent as you're you're heading towards your perige in the opposite direction you burn in the direction that you're traveling and the amount of thrust that your engines have in relation to the mass of your vehicle is going to determine how much how long you have to burn and how and and in possibly how many times in in different orbits to be able to get that orbit down to something where you can safely re-enter I don't think that they could decelerate out at the the close to the apigy and you know you've got all that velocity that you're gaining as you get closer to the Earth your orbit speeds up basically but if you lose enough speed close to apogee your Pary is going to be into the Earth and I don't think that that's something that that vehicle can withstand unless they've got some crazy heat shield uh capabilities on that on that craft that's going to be pretty interesting yeah they could be they could be testing some sort of really super wild uh heat shield with it but I also wonder what if and hear me out on this one what if they're going to try out some Arrow breaking with it some very high altitude very over a very long period of time maybe Arrow breaking with it I think that would be very very interesting if that was something that they were possibly considering with it I don't know if they're going to right may turn out that they're going to try lethal breaking and not know it I hope not um that's expensive and also it's a it's a winged vehicle so here at tomorrow we're we're very big fans of our our winged vehicles um there's just something again like Jamie was saying there's something about like Dreamchaser or Shuttle that just they seem so futuristic and frankly the x37 Beast is one of those where you just look at it and you go wow that is uh that is that is a really futuristic looking looking vehicle there so I'm I'm just saying Colombia was Wing too until it wasn't of course yeah so so was Challenger right so um so there are there are the downsides of them such as the fact that they have to do you have to do that long soaking heat in heat re-entry it all has to be right um and then also sometimes if you if you don't put yourself on the uh the out outside uh you you don't really have a launch Escape system um at that point I love this photo of the x37 this is from uh the mission before this one uh OTV 6 orbital test vehicle 6 uh and I like it because this is the photo that they put out so there is actually a uh a a service module that the x37 in this image sitting on um you could see that very conveniently it's not uh it's not pictured in it well it is you could see the top of it right here but you can't see the rest of it wonder why I can't think of any reason as to why the the United States space force would do such a thing ahh ah you didn't say the magic word word yeah I uh I don't think even if I said please as nicely as I could they would uh they would let me know what was there so there are photos of the service modules that are attached to it we've actually even seen video of an x37 separating uh from a upper stage a centaur upper stage on one of the flights that flew on an atlas 5 um that was that was a a a two second long clip um with it uh but everybody freaked out because it was the first time they'd ever seen footage of that um but yeah that's it that's all that's that's all you get so occasionally we'll find out what experiments it's holding but it does have cargo doors so those do open up does have a solar panel that deploys for power um and it does have a single uh engine for its propulsion system and I love the fact too that the engine is off it is not symmetrical with the vehicle is off axis uh so they have to account for that uh with an ril I love that it's probably got bad words written on it or um if there's something that we've learned from uh Los Angeles this week it's got graffiti all over it from top to bottom who knew so it's I'll talk about it in the memb show so okay so which I want to say uh I did see earlier Lionel became a member of tomorrow thank you so much if you want to become one uh you can head on over to youtube.com tmro jooin you yeah thank you again LEL uh uh kj7 FH was that I assume that's your uh your amateur radio your ham radio uh sign so pretty cool um and uh if you do become a member you get access to the members only show immediately and there's also certain levels of membership that allow you to join our escape Velocity channel on our Discord you can join our just our our Discord our Discord as it is um but uh if you want to see how the sausage is made as so so to speak um if you so desire that which sometimes it is a very entertaining thing um you can join at the skatee philosophy level so um yeah so I'm excited I'm I think it's so cool that there just a bunch of amateur satellite spotters found this like Ultra secret top secret mission um from the United States space force I love the fact that this is so much amateur they all get together they're all on this like online Forum that's built on the technology of online forums from the late 90s they're still talking to each other on it and they just pass back and forth coordinates to each other and they Hut these things down and then they to the internet there's probably somebody at Langley right now who's like so um so we'll we'll we'll have to see uh we'll have to see if it makes any movements at any point in the future that's one thing that they also hunt these things for as well they'll keep track of them to see if they actually move in their orbits change apy change Pary change inclination as the x37 is in the past have done changes and substantial changes before um as as well uh and Eerie uh I think definitely a relevant joke uh for today which is that it is probably probably a Taylor Swift Secret ad that's right that's right ot7 is actually a CIA scop in order to sell more Taylor Swift records clearly it's funny you're mentioning graffiti and all I was thinking is no it's probably McDonald's ad we're an add for uh uh Shen Yun since it's about time for those to start popping up everywhere ban from China yeah who knows yeah I think that might be a very in is that an inside joke or I don't know I travel like I around the country and I see those Billboards everywhere I go Florida Texas California Minnesota all of it for what yeah I got to I got to say one time one of my friends uh sent me a photo uh friend of mine from JPL sent me a photo and said take a look at this um photo that we took this morning we haven't publicly posted it yet and he had photoshopped the shenyun billboard onto a Mars Panorama and I thought thought that was pretty great I was like yeah that's it's it's that time of the year so that's what it feels like yeah so we saw you have any idea what we're talking about do you guys have that in Europe I have no clue okay exactly all right just the us thing got it got it it's ballet it's banned from China ballet Jared yeah well excuse me is ballet from China before communism is supposedly what they it's you should go it's a limited run yes it's a limited run for only once a year so and if you don't catch the limited run there's another limited run next year yep so and it's lifechanging as long as you're standing in front of the ad sponsor wall and the camera it's life changing so so um so crew's light says yes we do in London so okay so if if London had its own way it would be an independent city state you know what happens in London is not what happens in the rest of the country you know it's it's completely different what are you Ryan like in the sticks or something like what is are you in the same berino of of the United king England or what's going on here like I don't understand we got we hit a uh touchy topic here with Ryan every Everything But London is in the sticks here he is currently enough shows you how much I know he's [Laughter] angry oh my God yeah Dave sha Yen starts here around Christmas Denver yep that's right I yep Denver just all of it it's all over the country yeah yep I was say another thing another thing that happens this time of year too uh is that we get the uh the NASA tweet about the space station being bigger than an American football field because it's Super Bowl Sunday so we always get that tweet so oh yeah oh boy all right do we have any other stories today silence is acceptance this is what I say I was going to say I think that uh I think that uh pretty much Nails it right there doesn't it yeah so I think uh we'll call it right here been a fun show we'll go into a post show in a moment um for those of you who are members you can enter the post show any membership level gets you access to our after show didn't we give it a name like wasn't after dark it was I don't remember that's fantastic that's fantastic that my friends is how we end a show that is how we end a show so for those you who are members you can have it I did we put the link for the member show in the uh in the description uh I don't know no I don't think so uh head over to your membership tab on YouTube and then in a moment you'll see us go live um or just go to youtube.com/ tmro and if you are a member you will see our Live membership show sit right over there and and again anyone at any membership tier including the ones that don't get their names in the show is eligible to watch this that includes like membership levels down to like $1 per month and so like that's you know less than a drip coffee I think at Starbucks at this point and every single dollar helps because like you know it does cost time and money and effort to put shows on like this and we appreciate every every single one of our members so thank you all um and if you'd like to become a member of tomorrow you can head on over to as Jared said earlier youtube.com tmro jooin and we do you know I know a lot of different sites and whatnot use patreon and we used to be on patreon but we wanted to coales around one membership area right just make it super simple this is the one where you get all your benefits you get all your perks like you get all the cool Emoji things you get access to the Discord just it's this one you don't have to split your membership or anything like that we're trying to make it super simple and easy for you so um hope hopefully uh hopefully you enjoy membership hopefully you enjoy the shows of tomorrow and we appreciate every single one of you so uh on that note so first off uh also I'm also very sorry for not being around on the shows it's going to be a little bit more yet so for those who don't know I did get a place in Orlando now as well so now I have a place in California a place in Texas and a place in Orlando because I'm just going around the country in a circle so hopefully hopefully once everything has settled down a little bit on my side it will be a little bit easier for me to show up to these shows as you noticed on today's show I was just racing back here to just just desperately try to get everything set up and ready to go to get on camera and I showed up I literally heard daa counting down three two one and then go live and I'm like hope my mic works uh but yeah hopefully it will I always say hopefully it will calm down and the exact opposite happens so I I make no promises but like that's what's going on with me uh I enjoy all of you I'm sorry that I haven't been around but yeah there you go all right on that note I think we'll call it here and for our members we'll see you over in the membership show and thank you all so much for watching we'll see you next week