Is THIS the Solution to Google’s Totalitarian Censorship? — Jeff Bermant Interview

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So it's pretty obvious that one of the ways that we are being controlled as a population through this fifth generation warfare is by controlling the flow of information. So, you know, for a lot of our friends and family, you might tell them something like maybe the elections aren't that safe. Maybe the vaccines aren't quite as safe and effective. And for a lot of folks, they're going to say, well, I'll do my own research and they'll go straight to Google and they'll search on Google. Is this safe? And they're going to get pages and pages of one side of the answers. And this is just the beginning of what concerns me because I think that this can turn into a place where people really have no access to the true information. And so I'm really honored today because joining me is Jeff Bermont, who has built an app in a browser called Tusk, which offers a really amazing perspective of uncensored search where you can actually filter your search based upon if you want to see right, center, or left. So you can go on there and search for, say, Hunter Biden's laptop and see what the right says, see what the left says, and see what the center is. So I think it's a really, and this is just the beginning of what he's doing. It's a really important company that he's building. So I'm honored to have him on. Before we get started, make sure you're following me on social media at Man in America and on Twitter as at Man in America US. And every show is also put up as a podcast. So if you want to listen instead of watch, just go to your favorite podcast app, search for Man in America, and you'll find me there. All right, folks, let's dive into this interview. Jeff, it is a pleasure and an honor to have you on the show today. Thank you for joining us. Hey, thanks, Seth. Thanks for actually asking. Oh, yeah. Well, it's interesting because I saw, I personally experienced, you know, the weight of what happens when Google wants to make you disappear. And so, you know, the quick backstory, you know, we made a video, our first video, The Plot to Steal America about election fraud. Trump shared it everywhere. And at first it was getting all kinds of media coverage from, you know, OAN and Newsmax, and you'd search for it or search for my name and all that would come up. And one day it all just disappeared. And so I think we, you know, I really experienced, you know, what happens when you're not someone the tech company likes and how they can basically disappear somebody, right? The same way that, you know, the Clinton's lawyers seem to disappear somehow. And so, but we've been searching too. At first I was recommending DuckDuckGo, but then we realized, okay, DuckDuckGo, maybe they're not tracking you as much as Google, but it doesn't mean that they're actually delivering, you know, kind of center, at least, you know, somewhat rational results. It was still so heavily skewed. And you know, this day and age when people are searching, like that's how so many people are shaping their worldview, right? Whether it's the Trump indictment, the Hunter Biden laptop, are the vaccines safe? They're going to Google and they're asking that question. And they think that whatever results they get represent the truth, but that's so far from it. And I'm so excited to talk to you about the browser that you're, that you've built. But before we get into that, why don't you give us a quick background of yourself and how you're at the place now where you're really spearheading, I think, a very significant technology project. Well, I've always been an entrepreneur and I came from a fairly well-off family, so I'm not going to cry. I was poor. My dad was a shopping center developer in the East Coast area. But there was a work ethic and I think I was just, I mean, I don't think my parents pushed me in my work ethic. I was just like that. I mean, I just wanted to help people. My first job was working, I think I was maybe 11 or 12. I actually worked on a vegetable truck, which I really loved the guy. His name was Al Denizio and Al was, he was great and fun to work for. And then I swept, I became a tennis player and I swept tennis courts. And I ran a, when I was about 16, I ran a, an indoor tennis club. And then I was lucky enough to go out to California at about 17. And I went to school up in the Ohio Valley and then got a partial scholarship to USC on tennis. And I played there and my claim to fame was always like the joke about it because I really wasn't that good. I was highly ranked, but on the SC team, you can be highly ranked and still be a bench sitter. And I was a bench sitter. And so that's my claim to fame. I did get to teach at the Beverly Hills Hotel, which was really fun to do. And then I taught at the LA Tennis Club for a while. And then I decided I actually didn't want to do tennis. I didn't want to do this as my main job for the this was fun. I worked for Bob Selleck, who was Tom Selleck's dad and Tom just becoming a movie star. And it was really fun because I got to know, obviously I knew Tom, his brother, Dan, and I went to college together at Southern Cal and Bob was just, he was a great guy. I can see why I don't know him very well anymore, but a really nice guy. And it's just an offshoot of his father, who was one of my heroes in life. So that's where I started in the real estate business. I worked for Coal Banker. Now it's CBRE. I was very lucky to get in there. And I was a good salesman, Rookie of the Year, my first time there. And then I decided to open up my, this is typical, five to seven years with Coal Banker. And you decide you want to be a real estate developer. So I opened my own shop in real estate and I developed real estate for 30 some odd years, building mostly office buildings. We did about 700 homes, which I really didn't like. I thought I would like the business and I didn't like it because I really like people. And so I thought this would be really fun, but it really wasn't that much fun. And building office buildings was fun to do. And so I built office and industrial buildings for a long time. And then about 12 or 13 years ago, I got this crazy idea that I wanted to be in tech. I had no skills in tech whatsoever, zero. Couldn't even turn on the computer. And so I started down that path and got into building browsers. And this will be our first into building a search engine, but I'm super excited when I'm building. So it's a real pleasure. Well, that's an interesting story. I mean, we all come from these different backgrounds that you think that the skills, it's like, how can real estate skills transfer to tech, but it actually might be perfect. How these skills transfer across different things. And so let me go and pull up your website. So you've built a browser, right? And this is, it's called Tusk Browser, right? So for the folks that are wanting to check out, let's go to tuskbrowser.com. And so what's interesting with this is, and we're going to be looking at this, but it's not only is it a, a conservative, not necessarily conservative leaning, but it's just that, you know, it offers the conservative perspective, not just one side of it. But you're, you're getting into some other projects as well, which I think is very interesting, but let's first look at Tusk Browser. Cause this is what's interesting. And I really encourage people to set this up. You can download it as an app on your phone or an app on the computer. And so let's go, let's, as an example, we're going to do a search and we're going to search for Hunter Biden's laptop. So actually that's the second result. So for people that are watching and I'll describe it for those that are listening on the top of the screen, you see, you can choose left center or right. And so when you search for Hunter Biden laptop and you have it on left, you see there's the first one is the Washington Post. Then you've got ABC news and CBS news and New York times. And you can see that a lot of these articles, as you'd expect, they're saying, well, what we know and don't know. And you know, of course, by now they have to admit it more than they used to because it used, you know, a couple months ago, it was still a conspiracy theory. But then if you click on the button, it says, right. And you want to see what the right perspective. Now you've got New York Post, you've got Fox news, you've got other organizations and news organizations that are offering a whole different perspective. And so this, to me, this is so interesting because so many people, as we talked about, they form their worldview by what comes through the internet. And I remember actually watching a documentary a couple, maybe a year or so ago, that was about the internet and censorship. And they, they did a study where they saw that the results that would come back from a search engine. So say like people say it's 2016 and people are searching for Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, that the, the first 10 results on that page, whether they skewed positive or negative, I think that they found that those results could sway an election up to like 10% just by what results are showing up, which, and this is significant. 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I started this, it's an interesting background story too, because I've become a listener of Mark Levin and I don't agree with everything Mark says, but a lot of it makes a lot of sense. And particularly the way the country's going. And Mark made this crazy pitch on TV and of course, I took it literally, which was, can you do something for your country as a patriot? And I thought to myself, first I thought, no, you know, I don't know. And then I realized, well, wait, I have a skill of building browsers. I've built, this is my third browser. The first browser we built was called Cocoon. It was the most private, secure browser ever built. The problem was we couldn't figure out how to make any money. It was so private and we were competing with VPNs. We just couldn't figure out how to make money, but it was a great project. And then we built another project. Most of my projects are to serve people. I mean, I think that's super important. So we built a browser that allowed you to monetize your data. The problem was you just didn't make much money off of it. I mean, you know, making $3 a month off of your data is not really exciting to people. And then you've got people, which is always a problem. They abuse the system. So you get people that would tell you that you owe them $2,000 because they did so many searches and that's not possible. So you ran into the really, you know, kind of the crooks on the web and it wasn't a great experience. So I was listening to Mark Levin and I realized I could build search engines. And I started our browsers and search engines. And I started to think about Google. I started to look at Google and realize, God, I'm not seeing any of the articles I really want to see. They're all on page six, seven. And it's even gotten worse because Google's now changed their program so that you don't know what page you're on any longer. It just keeps feeding you a feed. And you don't know if you're on page three, page four. So if you want to go look at Breitbart, as an example of a story you just heard about, unless you type in Breitbart, right? And you're, you just, you do something that will take you exactly to that search. You won't see it. It's on page six, page 10, page 11. And guess what? They're burying that on purpose. That's how they, they say, well, we're really not censoring you, but they're manipulating the results. And they have all types of reasons. It's not a popular background. It's all baloney. In my opinion, they're just burying that. They don't want you to see what that story is. And I decided that's not America. That's not how we should be treating each other. And I, as a freedom of speech guy, so I'm like a must type person, I really feel like you should see all sides of an argument. Now, I may not agree with what a liberal or progressive wants in our country. I may vehemently disagree, but I want them to have a say. I want to hear what they have to say. So the way we built, that's the search engine we built. We give you left center, which is not quite center the way I want it to be yet, but we'll get there. And then right. So that way, if you want to read a story about what's going on with the president today, as of yesterday, you can click on right and you can get that story and you can get it from the perspective of a conservative. Now there's a, there's a little problem we're having with that. So if somebody goes and does that today, you may get some NBC local stories and we're fixing that so that that comes up on the liberal side and not on the conservative side. But I wanted to give each silo a chance so that you can see, well, here's what the left saying. I often turn into tune into MSNBC or CNN, not because I agree with them, but I want to hear their side of the story. I want to see what they're saying. And like last night, I was shocked to find out they wouldn't even carry the president's speech last night or the former president, but they wouldn't even cover that. And I was like, come on, you guys, you can't cover, you want to comment all you want afterwards, but at least cover it. It's a new story. They wouldn't do that. So that's the reason why I built it. Now on the browser side, the first thing we built was a newsfeed. And the newsfeed is basically conservative news so that you get the trending stories right away. You can go in and change that. I have TMZ as one of mine, just because I want to see what socially is going on. And then I have Breitbart and I have others that are conservative. And when a trending story comes up, I get to see those first. And then I've made it in the browser, I've made it really easy. So I've given you six links that are up on top that give you Fox News, Breitbart, well, Breitbart's one of them, Daily Wire and others. And then you can add yours if you want. And so that way, easy to get to the news sites that I want. And then also easy to see the trending stories from a conservative perspective. And as I said, if you're a liberal and you want to use it, we have no issue with you changing that. We got, you know, 50 liberal stations in there that you can switch to. Which is interesting because, you know, one of the browsers I use just because it works with our software is Microsoft Edge. And so I noticed that, you know, a lot of times when I open a new window, this is what pops up. Right. And so you can see, basically, if you're looking at this, you can see exactly their perspective. You know what I mean? You can see exactly what they want you to see. And, you know, it's, you know, Donald Trump Jr. posts photo of judges, 34 year old daughter. You know, it's a bunch of garbage. I mean, it really is. And so and that's another big thing, too, that really is it's the it's the the news feed. Right. So the news feed of some of the browsers, like a lot of people don't really realize it, but they open up the browser and they're getting like already they're getting curated information without even searching for anything. You know, that that becomes whether, you know, like I know for like my like my mom, for instance, a lot of her news, though, she now, you know, she really knows the truth, but she'll see things. She'll use her Yahoo. You open up your Yahoo and it's now like they're feeding you the news that they want you to see. And so I think it's really important with what you're doing with that. And so, you know, what has been have you gotten any any pushback against this? Because I feel like in a lot of ways that, you know, stepping into the big tech realm, like look what happened to Parler, when all of a sudden Amazon's like, you know what, we're not we're kicking you off of our servers. Parler, they're dead after that. They never recovered. So are you seeing any hurdles like that for what you're doing? Hard for them to hurdle us because or to kick us off because we do we do both sides. Right. And so Parler was just one side of the argument. And and and we do both sides. We allow you to see something else. Right. I'm not going to censor you. I don't believe in censorship. So we haven't had any pushback. But one of the reasons we're raising money now, so any people that want to help us raise and it's I believe that if you put in money, it's not a donation. You get a piece of the company, whether you give us a hundred dollars or a thousand dollars. We had a guy give us twenty five thousand dollars and I was I wanted to call him and say, are you sure you wouldn't even take my call? He was like, yeah, no, I'm sure you're doing the right thing. So to us, the big issue to protect ourselves from that is eventually we'll move from AWS because we're on AWS now and we'll move from right now we're on Microsoft and Yahoo. They don't have any issue with us. They have not said anything, but we grow to hopefully twenty five, thirty million people. You know, maybe they'll have an issue. Well, I don't want that issue. I don't want to be in a situation where, like Paul, you're out of business after I've built this company and I've really worked hard for center right and conservatives. So the plan right now is to build our own search engine. That way we can actually curate things left, right, center the way we want to. We can give you you know, I'm not here for censorship. I will not censor the left, but I'll give them their own silo. That's my goal is just here's your silo. Here's a center, which is 50, 50, and then you get the right. And then that way I kind of solve what's a big vexing problem, which is a censorship going on. But I do it, I think, in a in a real nice fashion where I respect the other. I don't agree with the other side, but I respect that they have a point of view. I'm not here to cancel. And they're not like they're doing to us canceling. And I think, you know, like yesterday with the Trump thing, maybe you have to go after the Biden. Maybe you have to start going after it. We can't act like gentlemen all the time because ladies and gentlemen, because they're not treating us that way. Yeah, that's a hard thing. It's that they will bend any rule. They will take advantage of anything. And that's, you know, we talk about the silent majority. I think a lot of conservatives in this country are nice, kind people. They don't want to ruffle feathers. They want to see the best in other people. And that's been taken advantage of, I think. And while I don't think that we want to go to the opposite side of that behavior and start burning buildings down and doing all the insane things that we're seeing in TIFA or BLM do, I think that we have to be more assertive in protecting things because, you know, what's at stake here, I think, is the future of our country. And so if we're just kind of being nice and happy about everything, it's like, well, you know, the road to hell is paved in good intentions, right? Yeah. And there's a reason why I built this is because I feel at least intellectually speaking, and this is cerebral what I'm doing. I mean, it's not the exciting chat sites. Although we have something exciting you and I chatted about, which is we think we've perfected it. But we're not in the exciting business. We're in the cerebral business. But I'm very concerned about the censorship. And I mean, I don't even understand the censorship and their viewpoint, because who's the purveyor? Who makes the decision as to what's misinformation? I mean, the Biden laptop story was misinformation? No. But that's what they did. And they won an election. I mean, Trump said it last night. I don't know, 17 points. I thought I saw a 10 point difference. If you had known about the laptop, we would have gotten 10 percent more of the vote. And whatever you think of Trump, I mean, I think Biden's 10 times worse. And I worry when you got a balloon flying over doing figure eights around your country. What the heck? I mean, that's just insane. And so, you know, at least you have to fight back. Well, I'm fighting back not with obviously guns and bullets. I'm fighting back with a search engine and a browser that says, come over here. We'll serve you the news. We'll serve your search. And you can know these people respect you, whether you're left and right. We respect everybody. We just don't agree with everybody. You know, one of the points you made made me think of this is, you know, I've done a few interviews and shows, whether it's, you know, Dr. Robert Malone or General Flynn talking about fifth generation warfare. And that's I mean, we are at war. That's part of it, is that we are literally at war against a shadowy cabal. That's the CCP, the WEF, a lot of these characters. But it's not a second generation war. It's not a third generation war that, you know, where those wars were fought. You know, like if you wanted to fight in that war, say second generation warfare, you had to go get a gun, join the front lines, learn how to, you know, do long range sniping or whatever it is you're going to do. And you go and you try to kill the other person. But it's just right now that, you know, fifth generation warfare, it's really it's psychological warfare. It's information operations. And so the like what you're doing, it's actually very similar to the perspective I had. That's what I thought, too. It's like, look, if this was 1776, I would have been telling my wife, like, OK, look out for the farm. I'm going to the front lines. Right. But it's not. And this is this is what I'm doing is I'm trying to fight the information war by helping just to get truthful information out, because how that how they win is through deception, is through people being convinced that, you know, that Trump is working with Russia or that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. That's how they're stealing our elections. Not even, you know, even getting into all the censorship around the vaccine, which they're now all this information is coming out, you know, these new reports saying, look, it actually wasn't good for people. It didn't protect me from spreading. So there's so much that you can see that if people just had access to not even like to the truthful information, but just to both sides, because then they can figure out where the truth is, that would drastically change the course of our country. I really believe that. Yeah. And for me, one of my main goals is to get this in schools. So we're going to start with private schools. We've got some work to do before we get that. We have maybe an exciting AI coming that that we're we're getting close to putting together. And then it's education. And the reason why it's education is this training starting really early. And I think many of us missed it. I mean, even with my kids, I kind of missed what they were learning in school. And one one boy is fine. The other two taken a long time to get from a pretty radical position to something moderate. And it's only because they're now paying taxes and stuff that they realize, you know, if you went along with socialism, you're not going to end up with much in your pocket. So I think where you have to start with this is in school. So my challenge is to start with private schools. And my pitch to them is, let's let kids see both sides of argument. Let's have some critical thinking in schools. Let's not just make this one sided. And they they grew up. You see what they grew up at Stanford as a perfect example of what's going in colleges, where they shout, they invite up a judge to the campus, to the law school, and then they shot him out of the room. And that's just crazy. But this is the training they're learning, which is we don't want you to hear what you say. We'll just shout you out of the room. And there needs to be some critical thinking with well, why would you do that? Let's hear both sides of the story before you decide which story is right. And if you start them early enough, we'll go back to the time, at least to a maybe a certain point, where you're going to learn you're you're actually going to learn about critical thinking. Right now, I would say the kids don't have critical thinking. They're brainwashed and not even asking the question Why do you feel that way about this decision? And they couldn't even get there. I think it's designed that way. Because if you're if your goal is to be the overlord, and you rule over a bunch of serfs, you don't want them to have critical thinking, you want them just to take, you know, whatever you put through your loudspeaker across the television, they say, Okay, that must be the truth. And, and they go, but there's also there's a huge pushback to that. And this is what's also, I think, encouraging as much as there's so much negative and bad stuff that's happening around the world and in this country, especially, what we're also seeing is the American spirit of people just pushing back. Right? You're seeing the Constitution in play where certain states are saying we're not going to accept that, right? We've got, you know, Iran is saying is going after central bank digital currency, you've got them banning, you know, gender surgeries for for children in some states. And so you're seeing that play out. But what's also exciting is that you're seeing a parallel economy, you're seeing people like yourself that are saying, Look, there needs to be another solution to this. And I would say that there's probably a good a solid 100 million people in America that wish they had a browser like this, right? There's a massive, massive crowd. So whether it's alternative health treatments, alternative currencies, alternative, you know, everything like, Hey, it's like, don't shop on Amazon, do this instead don't support the system. And so I think what you're doing is exactly that is you're, you're really it's similar to Andrew Torba, who's got gab and all the different projects he's done with over there with gab is that he's, he's very focused on like, look, like how we how we win is we just don't play their game. It's like, you know, we come over here, we build our own game over here. Exactly. I mean, what's great about America, and still great about America is if you don't like what's going on, you can get in the game and change it. I mean, that's what the calling for Mark Levin was to me. And I was like, Yeah, you know what, I can get in the game, I have a little bit of money, I can I can start it off, I will start off myself. I didn't ask any investors to give me money. I now you know, raising money, but but you can go build this alternative. And it's not like the CCP, if you went to the CCP, and you're in China, and you tried to build the alternative, but it may become that way. And that's why we have to start now fighting it. And I'm glad to see some of the states rejecting it. I still worry that there's too many kids in school that are not getting they're not getting the critical thinking when you don't tell a parent that a child is thinking he's confused about his sex or sex, or whatever. And you're not telling parents about that. That's very disturbing to me. And all these surgeries that are going, that's disturbing. And it's not that look, I don't have anything against transgenders. I think if you want to be a transgender, that's up to you. But it's it's kind of like to me, like at 18. When you're an even an 18, you're not mature yet. I mean, particularly for guys, guys are not mature until they're in their 20s. But if you want to do that after you're 18 or 19 years old, I don't you know, that's your life. Go ahead and do what you want to do there. You're not hurting anybody else. I don't have an issue. But at nine years old. No, it's just you're teaching these kids at nine years old. No, they should be teaching. I mean, we're falling apart on arithmetic and math and and reading skills. And we really need to get back to those basics. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Actually, there's a good friend of mine that's working on a project that I'll talk about in the future, probably. But it's it's really it's it's a massive infrastructure to build the alternative parallel economy for homeschooling and education to allow people to access this real, real education. It's like if I look back at my childhood, let's just pretend that the age that you're saying that you can decide to get a tattoo is 10 years old. Well, when I was gosh, when I was 12 years old, I probably would have got Metallica tattooed across my chest or something like that. Right. Who knows what? Even when I was 18, I remember thinking about getting tattoos and my mom or my dad saying, look, Seth, you know, don't you're going to regret it in the future. And now look back on it like, oh, my gosh, like I I dodged a bullet. Now, thankfully, I can if you say I did, I can always laser it off. But, you know, these kids are taking puberty blockers or having double mastectomies that can't be undone. No, it's it's frightening. Yeah, that's the problem. The problem is you're not. So there are some parents that are just bad parents. It's too bad. Why bring children in the world when you're not going to be a good parent? That's part of the problem. So it's really parents have got to do a better job. But this is crazy where kids, you know, you're a doctor and you say, well, I feel like I'm a woman today, so I want to do all these hormone changes and eventually, you know, whatever you you want to do there. I mean, it's just so my goal is to get this into into bringing this back to Tusk a little bit is to get this in the schools, get people now. I do want to comment. A lot of people are confused like they go to DuckDuckGo. DuckDuckGo has some privacy. I think the level of privacy they actually give you, they're not telling you the whole story because they're making money. And I hate to tell you, if they're making money, they got to know something about you. They just can't. But they're not. They are not to though. They are not center or right. And what they're just giving you is a basically a feed from from Bing, which is not center or right. And so you're wondering, like, why am I getting these stories that, you know, I'm looking for something from the right and I'm not getting it. So I encourage people to switch over to us where you will get center, left, right. And you can count on us as conservatives that we're not going to bail on you. There's not enough money in the world. I have been asked if you got a billion dollars from Google, would you sell it? And the answer is absolutely not because they'll ruin it. Yeah, I'm not here to just make money. I'm here to solve a problem. And that's exactly what I would see happening to you once you hit that critical mass, say you've got five million users, you have Microsoft coming in and say, look, we'll give you one hundred million dollars for your company. We'll give you half a billion dollars for your company. And then they take it and they just destroy it because, you know, they've in a lot of ways they've got unlimited money when it comes to protecting their power. So I want to bring up the page people can go to if they want to support you. And it's not really about supporting. It's actually just being part of it. Right. So so this is we funder dot com. So it's we funder dot com slash tusk. But you're not asking for donations. You're asking people to invest and be part of this. So explain what this is. So there's a there's a crowdfunding rule that most people will qualify. I think you have to do like you have to make one hundred combined incomes as one hundred thousand. And you can then actually invest in early on the company like us. And this is a little unusual because, you know, you're doing a little bit of investing, but you can invest one hundred dollars. You invest five hundred dollars. We had somebody invest twenty five thousand dollars, which was a little unusual. But this allows the smaller, unincredited investor to get in on a deal, because I did this because I heard my kids complaining. God, I couldn't get into Tesla when it was private. There was no way in. It was only for the big investors. And I was like, yeah, no, that's not me. I want you know, I want the guy on the street if he wants to put a little money and we don't promise that it's going to be a winner. We think it will be. You know, I'm going to work really hard for my investors as I always have. Investors come first for me. You know, hopefully we make some money and you get a nice return. And what you've done as part of the community is you're helping me build something that is super important. And without your support, this is not going to happen. I mean, you'll just, you know, we'll just run out of money and that will be the end of it. So right now it's going great. And if we can get people to come in and and and and put some money in, it's not a donation. You actually end up owning a piece of the company. Which I would I mean, I would really encourage this for folks. You know, I'll probably go in and throw some money on there, too, because it's something I believe in. And I think that we have to look like if someone's if people are struggling to pay for groceries each month, that's a whole different story. But, you know, if if we're it's like, where are we putting our money into? What are we doing? And I think this is a big thing is that we have to vote with our dollars. And so putting, you know, some of our assets into these and supporting like this, I mean, really, I look at is that we're trying to build a new country. You know, this this old this old system is really it's on its way out. And the corruption has become so deep in the veins of it. It's just it's like a cancer patient you can't do anything about. But what we're doing, though, doesn't mean the whole thing's over. It's like, let's see the opportunity to say, hey, well, let's build a healthy body, let's build a by it's not corrupted with evil to its core. And so, well, I really appreciate what you're doing. And I appreciate the efforts that you're I think it's insanely important. I think it's so important. And so I encourage folks to check out the funding site. But also, I'd say the number one big thing is just start using it. So if people if folks, if you're on just go to Tusk browser dot com, I'll pull that up again for you. So Tusk browser dot com. They're right there you go. If you have Android, iOS, Windows or Mac, just click on the App Store button or the download. If you're on a Mac or PC, you download it as a new app. And if you're on an iPhone or Android phone, it becomes a new app on your phone. I've started using it and I've been like, this is fantastic. So I really encourage people to do that and to check out the funding as well. So, Jeff, do you have any final closing thoughts for people? No, it's been great. I hope you'll support us. I hope you'll download. It's one of the greatest things you can do. It costs you nothing to download. If you want to contribute, that would be amazing. And I just want center right people to have an opportunity to not be washed away by the left. And unless we band together, we're going to get washed away. There's big money out there. They're going to wash us away. They're on their way to try and do that. And people like Seth and I were at the forefront to try and prevent that from occurring. I think we can be successful. So please help us out. Come and enjoy what we're building and be part of it. And by the way, a little thing here, we might be coming out with our own AI shortly that will have a much different spin. So stay tuned for that. That can be really exciting and fun. I'm looking forward to it. Well, Jeff, thanks again for coming on. I appreciate your time. Hey, mine as well. I've really enjoyed this conversation. Thanks, Seth.