BetaClimbers, why did you use my white peg board backdrop???

Let's bring up the funny subject. Where'd you get inspiration for your backdrop wall? I didn't know you. I didn't even know you when I put that up. And then we need context. I feel like I think commented me once when I first started making videos. He's like, nice backdrop. And I go to his channel. I'm like, oh, dude, he's doing the same thing. I'm doing all right. Those are like highlight stuff. Two or three years. I have a white pegboard with all my gear behind me. I started doing YouTube. OK, and then I started a hundred subscribers. And then Josh puts up pretty much idemically what that looks like. And then people started giving him shit. People said, oh, my God, this guy's got your wall. And I just thought it was so funny. It's like it was groundbreaking. You put pegboards. Everybody's doing it. It's I know it wasn't for my belay master class. It was very close. My my my wife built that actually for the record. My wife built that. She's like, oh, we'll build something for your equipment. I go ahead and like, I can make this a little studio, a film over here. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I didn't I didn't even watch your channel before that. And then I was like, I got that comment. I was like, oh, he thinks I copy him. Oh, whatever. Yeah. You're after that. I tried to copy. Look, that's Ryan. Oh, I know. Good. What did he just say about my wife? She's watching a lot of Ryan's videos. Oh, my God. Can you imagine I go through her history? That'd be a funny. That'd be a really funny skit. Just go through her history. It's as much of like how the highlight is like, the hell is this? That's that's really funny. So now I don't have a gear wall. I just have a wall of all the broken shit I've ever done. That's more of a trophy wall now. That's pretty cool. Yeah. How do you can you walk me through that? That's interesting. Like, what do you what? How do you get a line a mile? You have to drive a cord to the other side. What do you drive? How do you even get the hike to the woods of the cable? Like, no, no, no. So Sweden is a perfect example. We flew a drum from the bottom of the valley to the top of the mountain with fishing line and pulled down basically paracord. This side, we rappelled off the top and had a guy go down and can take his rope. He rappelled off of and connected to that paracord. We pull it up and now we have a string between. I see where you're going. Wow. But you have to have a Z drag so perfect on the far side if you're by yourself that it doesn't let all the webbing fall down the mountain, but it's not going to stop your winch from pulling it over. So I have a spot. I it's a half a mile long. It's going to be my training spot and I just have to go do it. I just don't have time to go do it. It takes a week to get your webbing ready and testing. And it'll get 10,000 views. No, it'll get like 2000 views. It's awful. Yeah. Why don't you just fly a fishing string? I did do that once previous time, and I won't mention when. And I had to fly it into a bush in the bush, grab the drone. I walked around, grabbed the fishing line and and then I was able to pull the tagline over. Yeah, it's a it's I still like highlining. I just find all aspects of climbing fascinating. How little we know about the details. Somebody said, if you you overcam a cam and you stick it in a crack, it has very little outward force, which doesn't keep it in the rock very good. It's actually less secure. I'm like, well, that's actually a really good thing. If you're in a flake that kind of like you're concerned, it'll, you know, push it out. If you're like an A3 shit on El Capitan. Anyway, you would never trust Brad here. You what? Never trust Brad here. You? Well, yeah, but eight kilonewtons. Whatever. Like a very, very experienced climber puts two cams in a crack like he feels totally bummer. Flip that like whatever way. But it was well, no problem. Then runs out above it. And OK, he's falling because it's too hard. And it's just another day out. Next thing he knows is he's at the hospital. And so what you're saying is so testing is meaningless sometimes because, yes, it's working on how not to highline. But, you know, the guy is in the hospital. Yeah. Also, I mean, what do you want to do? So what you're saying is like basically track climbing is kind of like ice climbing the gears there just in case. But you're never supposed to take a fall. Well, it's just you need to know your stuff much more than looking at a channel. You know, you need you need like you need the experience. And if you don't have the experience, go get the experience with someone who has mentorship courses, whatever, or just risk your life. And that's OK. A lot of people do it. And that's OK. But just know that after after 3000 break tests, I trust gear. I don't trust rocks. That's the thing. It's what are you putting the gear into? Yeah. Yeah. If that was in a flake at all, that moves just a little. The cams are coming out. Yeah, I got a video of that. Some guys, some guys cam pops out because he kind of put in a flake and then the rope goes around his neck on his way down. He goes, Oh, I saw that one. Oh, it's crazy, right? What did he do? It went around his neck. What noise did he make? Is that how you're going to climb out of this video? Hopefully not. Are you all of you are more into big wall climbing and truck climbing? Or would you? That's my thing. Like if I if I'm training for something, it's because I want to do some hard track climbing or something. I saw you training like bring the sally up doing like 30 something pull ups nonstop. I was like, ****, this guy is strong. I could do a lot. I could do a ton of one arms. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Just like that. How hard do you climb? I hide my power level. I hide. I hide my power level. I'll never tell you. I, I, I just do. I climbed this. You list yourself as professional climber on your Instagram. I'm of a professional world access climb. No, no, no, no, no. I'm a professional industrial climber. OK, that's where I make my money. I climb. You can climb a windmill faster than you and I combined. I don't climb windmills for the record. But yes, something like that. Jan, what do you like? You top rope solo sport climbs only top rope solo. I rarely top rope solo. You lead rope solo. I lead rope solo. Yeah. And what climbs? Pushing the grades on actually local climbs when they're hard. It's all bolted, mostly bolted. So I'm getting there. But, you know, 10, 10 D's. I was right here now. 11 A's, 11 B's, 11 C's. It's there's bolts. These mostly, mostly these top rope solo guys, like like what Peter's doing, like Peter Whitaker and I can't I can't find the fun in it. It's like I tried when I tried it. It was like, yeah, this is such a hassle. Yes. Like the greegree is pulling down on you. Whatever you use in. You have to worry about this. It's oh, my gosh. It's a learning curve. Get a couple of friends. Just get some friends. I only in climb solo. I won't solo climb, climb. It's all learning curves. I have 10, 10 systems that I could maybe think about using or climbing 11 A's right now with different devices and that I think would be safe and where I can totally fall. Where are you? Where are you based? Learning curve. Where are you based out of? I don't even know what that flag is. I'm American. I don't know. Yeah, I think that the only thing in this world to me is America. OK, so you can't say it out loud, dude. You just can't think it. Right. Right. Do you know where that is? Right. Wait, hold on. Way back. Where is Canada? I know where he lives. So it's yeah. North of Montreal. So, OK. All right. It's about David rock climbing. So you buy it. Is that is that like where Squamish is? Are you on the other side? Oh, I'm on. Stop. You're making Americans sound bad. Really? Americans don't know the neighbor countries. No, no, I live. All I knew is New Jersey. So until I knew the fact, you live like within driving distance of him. You should know that. Yes, yes, yes. Exactly. Like we're five hours away. Not. Yes. Yes, you are. I'm going to be in Vermont for a while. I should just scoop up. But like if you're in Canada, I came across the border. Maybe you can right now. Maybe you can. I was in me. I was in the end. And you'll sit right there. I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll come by. We will do some rope soloing or something. Sure. I'll get together. Yeah, do it. I'm sorry. You're right. We'll do it. Do it. Well, I do that all the time when I teach rope soloing. I, I, I have the same device as my client and we go side by side on independent rope, independent here, everything independent. And then we we do a multi pitch and only right here for the belay station. Everything is separate. So the person has the real experience of lead rope soloing right there. Right on. Yeah, that's super cool. Multi pitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go like up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down. Yeah, just once up, down, up. And then you continue on. Sure. On my second pitch. Yeah, second pitch up, down, up. Up, down, up. Fourth pitch up, down, up. Well, do you like rock climbing? Like, do you get more climbing out of your pitches? How awesome is that? Like, there's a selling point. There's a selling point right there, babe. That's a selling point. You can do like the shorter sections on El Capitan three times. Yeah. Yeah. And you're never delaying. You're never taking time for the other person. It's only me time. And you're never resting. So you never have to stop and rest. You can. And you can because nobody is judging you. So you can accept the guy next to you soloing. And not a lot of people give courses on rope soloing. And I don't do that every day. Like, I don't have tons of clients. It's a rare occasion. I gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Because the guy, it's a niche thing that someone wants a lead rope solo course. So obviously is somewhere else in the world. So we can't meet. And so it's very, very rare that someone local wants to get a real course with me. So it happens to people where they stop wanting to have friends for climbing and they just go alone. Poor Jan. But we're sorry, Jan. Well, that's totally OK. Like for me, because I have kids. So I get to climbing when I stop with the kids. I get them to bed. And then at eight o'clock at night, nine o'clock at night, I just go. And to me, I'm awesome. And I'm the only one at the track because I'm climbing with my head lamp on a 511 C rope soloing. And that's that's all I get all the time. Like, that's my climbing, basically. Yeah. Right on. Yeah. Right on. I actually met one guy in Tenerife who was doing a lot of that rope soloing thing, but there was plenty of climbers all around and we are all climbing there. And he just comes. And instead of like, hey, guys, what's up? He just starts rope soloing next to us. OK. I had that happen to me in Austin. I started top rope soloing this thing and everyone started looking at me. They're like, dude, do you want to belay? I'm like, ah, ah, I'm climbing. Are you sure you don't want to belay? Sure. You don't want to belay. I'll give you a belay. I'm like, no, I'm all right. All right. I think. Yeah. And don't judge me when I solo aid like big walls and stuff like a section or I'm pushing the left. I'll just tie up two carabiners, one figure eight and one. And then after I climb and I get stuck, tie another one and untie the last one. Yeah. I've seen one person other than you do that. And he's a local guy here. And I'm like, you know, how enjoyable it is to untie the knot and retie the knot. It's so rewarding to do it because, you know, you just climbed another like three or four meters. I have this. I had this Mr. Beast idea one time. I was like, if I make it, I'm going to do this. I just want to like completely top rope solo. El Cap just repelled on one line with three thousand three thousand foot line. Just look at all the dollars. Three thousand foot line. Slap on the tracks and just go. Does go to get to the top. Just top of the thing. And I was going to call it the Honnold experience. That would be a good video. I would. But you need at least like what? Like five, six guys on ropes with cameras or and then you need to go pros. No, you need 45 directionals and put the rope exactly where you need it while you're climbing a zigzag. But I see what you're trying to do. I like it. Yeah, it's good. Listen, it's possible, OK? It's hard. It's difficult, but it'd be possible. And it'd be really cool. I'd love to do that. I want to see that. Maybe we could set that up. Maybe in the future. OK, maybe. I can't believe how many requests are for me to climb the nose with the GoPro on my head. There's this other channel where this guy's doing stuff like that every day. You know, there's there's channels where these guys are doing that all the time. How does that look when you have the camera? My camera, when I take your motion stick. Yeah, when I had the camera on my head, it would bonk into the rock all the time. So what I did was I took a helmet, my helmet, and I put a dongle. I filmed what video did I film? I filmed one of the climbing films video episode 10. And I had the dongle on my head and it was like an antenna. And then I put the 360 camera up here. So this weight was like, oh, it was like some Martian. I was like a Martian or something. But yeah, you could see it in my time fails and you could edit that without throwing up that one. It's auto stabilizes. It's really crazy. The technology in those 360 cameras, if it's moving too much, you got to change your music so you're not bumping while you're climbing. It works. Check out that video. You'll see it was actually it actually worked out pretty well. I know Ben saw it and must have seen it. I think I haven't seen that one. You must have seen all the failed videos, all my failed videos, all my failed videos. That was my fails video. Climbing fails. Number 10. Did you see where I teleport? Do you see the one where I teleport into climbing some real rock? Yeah, yeah. So this is going to start showing up more in my videos. It was climbing fails. Episode 10 and I teleport and then I have a dongle on my head with a little little 360 camera. That's what I use for that video. You ever use this, Ben? That's the 360 camera right there. Yeah. Oh, I do not. It is pretty amazing. When I was caving just three weeks ago, I would just hold it in front of me and I could capture all in post whatever I needed. And it makes the it makes the stick disappear. It's not just it's like there's a it's pretty it's pretty nuts. The editing process on it's pretty difficult, though. It takes it takes about an hour or two to get like kind of used to it. And then but I can do a lot more stuff. I'm going to try to put this on my drop tower and like put it in like a flagpole thing. So it's sticking right next to the samples that are falling so I can capture the sample and follow the sample as it's falling. Wow. Have you seen what is that channel called? It's not the Try Guys. It's these guys that throw stuff off these drop tower. They keep throwing the most ridiculous things off these drop towers. Have you seen those? Yeah, like a watermelon onto a trampoline or something. Yeah, but they throw it off this drop tower. It's like I don't know how high it is. But what they do is they stick a GoPro in this like football where GoPro goes in and they chuck it off with whatever they throw down. And it follows the thing down. They have like GoPros everywhere. It's crazy. I got to think about that channel. It'll come to me. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Well, when you have a camera on the helmet, if it's really wide angle, it seems to be less annoying when you're looking at the footage. But then you have long arms in the footage. Well, yeah, it's a tradeoff. But I like some some footage and I do that. And it's only when it bumps on the rock. You have to edit the audio out. Yeah, it's annoying. And it scratches the lens, too. Annoying. Yeah. I've already got a scratch on mine. The DJI mobile DJ, I think it's a DJI mobile. It has like a lens cap that you can like just change out. And that's why I bought it. I was like, oh, you could just like take the scratch one off with the other one on because the GoPros, they're permanent. So I thought that was a good selling point and GoPro should start doing that. But I don't think it was as good as a GoPro when it came to stabilization and stuff. So what after your masterclass, Ben, what's your plan? You got a master masterclass after that. Well, I have so much to make it from that. I'm just like my to do list is growing faster than I'm producing that masterclass. So I know I have no idea where it's going to even finish. Gotcha. So that's that's a theme for you now is in-depth tutorials that you call masterclass. Yeah, well, I'm going to cover delaying very detailed. I want to cover everything from how do you believe the climber is heavier? How do you believe the climber is lighter? What do you do with the climber? Wait, wait, wait. Let me get a pen. What are you doing? Oh, nothing. Go ahead. Keep going. Yeah. So what do you do if the climber is about to fall off the first bulb, for example? Like, how do you delay that shit? I had so many friends of arguing with me like they want hard catches. I'm like, no ******* way. I would rather let let the climber gently soft the ground, touch the ground, then just smack him to the wall. Check out my newest client feels video. They took this like they should have did a hard catch rather than a soft catch. Like they gave this person a huge drop and then it turned to a yank. And this girl's head like touches her ass. It was crazy. It was like it was my back bent like that. I'd be like, that's not a soft patch. That's just too much slack. Right. But it was it was it was like a slow rap, but way too long. Maybe it was a slow mo, but it looked like a slow, soft catch. And then it turns into like a yank. But she's right next to the bolt. So she was like, take, take, take, take, take, take. She would have just jumped off and felt like I had a hard catch, but it would have been like a foot and wouldn't really be a hard catch. She'd just be like, yeah, you know. But it turned into this long try to be a soft. All right, then try to do a hard catch and see the highest force you can get. I will. With your line to go through all of these videos, this line skill free. I want to. Yeah. Like there is many ways how to do a soft catch. Like you can walk forward. You can jump up. You can let the rope slide through some devices. And I I was always or just let go. Yeah, I was thinking to make a competition of like who can give the softest catch to the same person. I like that's good. I like that. That's awesome. And just measure the same fall again and again on different layers and see which results do the softest catch. That's true. And then you can order like all the catches in order of hardness. And you see like the progression from a hard yank. Like, but it's got to be it's got to be this then to how to do it, really. It's got to be the same poor guy, though, because different weights is going to be the same guy all in all. And another problem is that the ropes will get stiffer and stiffer every fall. You need different ropes. Yeah, everyone's got to bring their own rope. It's kind of hard. It's real hard to make. And then you'll get all the comments, but this is not scientific enough. That's exactly how they look when they fight back, too. So do you guys all just kind of like ignore trolls after about six months of doing YouTube and you stop making shit personal? No, I answer them all. I answer them. You answer. I have a section in my discord called Good, Bad and Ugly, where I literally just take the troll comments and I put them on the discord just to laugh about it. Like just so I have somewhere to vent. I'm like, OK, guys, you need to see what this guy said. And then they're like, wow, I was like, how do you not know? They're in that discord. I had this guy telling me that you can't clip. You can't like you can't clip into your beaner. Like like if you can't tie into your harness, you have to hard clip into your hearts, whether you're climbing, whether you're leading, you can't tie into your harness. This is what this person's arguing. Like, this has got to be a troll. I'm not going to talk about I'm going to talk to this. Like if you're belaying, you're going to have to hard clip. Like, what are you talking about? Like they want they want the beater to be like. Instead of the beater being in the belay loop, they want it through the leg loop and the harness is basically what I'm saying. Maybe they want through the waist loop and the belay loop. No, they want it through the waist loop and the leg loop and not the belay loop. I'm saying you can clip. I said you could clip into the belay loop. That's what it's for. You clip into the belay loop and you lead or you lay off. That's a belay loop. It's a ten to one safety ratio at the minimum. And I just cut out the camera shot. So, yeah, I actually saw somebody doing that when I was climbing and I was like, it's not redundant. You're triloading your carabiner. But you're making a carabiner like you saw somebody do that. Yeah, you might be in some videos coming up and I'm going to switch back to my phone. I don't climb without making videos. I don't do anything without making videos. How much stuff do you guys do on your own personal time that you don't film a lot? Well, everything. I'm going to take I'm going to take a walk and slap in a new battery. Do you really film everything you do in your life? I did one. I did one climb. My wife will be pretty pissed off. On Royal Arches. I did one. Josh, you're still talking, we can't even see you. We did one climb that I didn't film it in the last year. I do about one thing a year that I don't film in episode while I'm doing it. You can't create content three times a week unless you do that. Oh, man, I guess. I mean, all right. So I was highlighting with Brent, OK? And literally, I'm like, hey, you guys want to make a soft shackle party? And so we made four millimeter soft shackles and we double wrapped it on so in loops so we can connect segmented high lines. It's a little easier with this. So you put the two loops in here. Like that. And that's how you connect two pieces of webbing, and it's seamless, the loops are touching now instead of you having to step over this giant thing. And so I thought that was fascinating. I don't want to just highlight and do that with my friends unless I tell everybody about it. So we have Joshua. How do you feel about trolling people all the time? Like you get a failed video and you just slap it on like no feelings. Oh, do I feel bad about the people I put on there? They most of the videos I get, they send me. They say they say, put this up, put this up, say whatever you want. I had this one. I had this one. Can I talk about this? Yeah, maybe I could talk about it. He sent me his video of him breaking his leg in a gym. And then his boss said, you can't do that. I'm like, all right, post the video. And he's like, well, you got to take that down. I'm going to get fired. Damn it. So I took the video down and then I was like, oh, whatever. I wouldn't run to get fired. I'll take it down. But then I found out later that you could take a segment out of the video. I was just going to say that. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know that. So I took the video down. Yeah, I didn't know that. So I took it down. I was getting emails from everybody from who sent you the video. Where'd you get the video? I was like, you know, so yeah, I mean, most of the videos I get, people send me some. I was like, wow, that makes sense. Yeah, I was just climbing in Belgium recently and I see so much horrible stuff. I took some pictures and I'm posting on my Instagram and I'm like, shit, that doesn't feel good. Like to just troll people or there. I don't think it's trolling. I think it's it's educational because when you're when you're out, when you go out, let's say you're in a real world environment and you go and you walk along the cliff and you see this guy tying this jank ass anchor, it's your job as a person that's more competent to be like, bro. You know, you're this is either you say roughly if you're if you're me, you say, don't be an idiot, you're going to die. Or you say, bro, you know, you got to change this. It's our job to, like, go in and say something about it. And that's how I think it is, I think, because what happens if all these people end up hurting themselves in a place? Then we get more regulations. Like, well, what, they won't change. Well, first of all, first of all, nobody's going to receive any advice well because they're men. I had a guy who said, you're a freaking idiot. And I said, why? I said, because you're you're playing like this. You should be above it. And I thought about it. I'm like, ah, OK, you're right. I'm an idiot. Now, I didn't say that to him because I'm. Yeah, you thought about it for three weeks. But I thought about it. Yes. And that's the point. You have to sell them like, you know, you're being stupid and this is stupid. So like that. And that's kind of how you have to learn. Right. So, yeah, I mean, I don't feel bad about it. Then you got to do what you got. It's got to get out there. Education. I think education is not coming from showing what not to do, but showing what to do, how to do things, because you could do like a thousand things wrong. But there's maybe just one thing good. And if you show that or there's ten things good, but only one is known yet. And if you show that everybody's fine. But if you show like ten things that are wrong, there's still nine hundred something that are wrong. That's I disagree a little bit with that, because like sometimes I post like a not video and they're like, I really like the fact that your channel shows that you're like, this is how you tie correctly. But you also shot showed the five different ways of how you can mess it up. Like when people first learn to figure eight, they just kind of loop it around and the ropes kind of twisted. And then they pull it through and like this looks like an eight and they pull it through and it's just an overhand. It's like so I do that a couple of times in my videos. I'm like, this is how you're going to mess it up when you first do it. It's going to look like this. And I mean, I get what you're saying. But also, I think it's important to show like this is what happens when you don't do it right. You know, if I yes, if you show the correct way in your video, then it can be helpful to show literally how not to tie this. There's several ways to screw this up. And of course, if you don't show how to do it correctly in a video, then obviously that's not helpful. And for the record, I'm asking more about there is somebody doing something really wrong and somebody filmed it and send it to you. And then it's like for for the record, I don't post up videos where it's like really traumatic, traumatizing. Like sometimes I get videos where I cannot post it. Like there's there's it's gory. Like I can't post this gory stuff on it, but I try to keep it. I try to keep it to like where if someone could learn from it and in some of my videos, if you watch them, I say in the beginning, like we're not here to poke fun at these people. If we're trying to learn something from them, like the laws of climbing are written in blood and this is the blood we're going to learn it from. You know what I'm saying? So that that's where that's my mindset, where I come at it. I understand what you're saying, Ben. If you have permission or you're thinking about that, Josh, it makes sense. But especially not just because we're fellow climbers walking up to somebody doing it wrong, but we have enough of a social presence that some people might not want to be blasted on the Internet or. Well, if anyone ever said anything to me, I'd take it down. So can you help with that? I like what you said, Ben, is like before you. What'd you say before you pull out your pitchforks or before you judge when that guy who's leaning over to pick up his rope, you know, during the belay, he was trying to lean over to grab the rope. Yeah. You're like, before you judge, he was doing it the way he was taught. And I thought that was good. But did you just get that from Josh or did you get permission from the guy to use the clip? I actually was messaged by the guy and I asked if I can use it. And he said yes. If it's like for educational reasons. Yeah. But like such. I have some clips where I have absolutely no clue who the people are. It's just off Instagram. They're like 13 years old and they're filming a potato. Like sometimes you just get things from other people, you know, they send you stuff and everybody's like, how are you going to track this person down? You know? Yeah. And then the question is like, what do I do about this? Do I show this or do I not show this? Because technically we cannot do this, I think. Like if the person will see himself on your video, he can. Oh, it's like your video. It depends if it's if it's if you're changing it. And it's like I forgot what the word is. But if you're like if you're changing the content to make it your own, that's a totally different story. So reviews are different. Like if you take a video or something and you're reviewing it and you're changing it and you're making your own content, then it's a totally different story. It's now it's transformative. It's now become transformative. So if you could take your content and make it transformative, it's now becomes your own content. Yeah, but I did a new blur. It's not only that. It's also if somebody films you somewhere and post on Internet, you can go, for example, to YouTube and say, hey, I don't want to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You probably could do that. I mean, there's not to be a legal thing, but YouTube's their own platform with their own rules. So they they could do that if they want to. I'm sure. Is that what you asked me, if you could use my video? I was going to be like to monetize him. So I have your magazine. They some some newbie was doing something and I made a video. Just literally, I read the article and did a break test with what a random gear I had and forty three thousand views. The guy ended up messaging me who did it. And sent me the actual gear and made a follow up video. I find most people, especially if you're semi respectful, don't mind being on the Internet. Right? Yeah. Except then he doesn't want to be on the Internet. It's not just me. He was being trolled. It's not, you know, battery change. This is what happens when you use the mirrorless cameras. My laptop's still perfectly charged. He's quicker than than I am. You 20 minutes. Yeah. So do you get trolled, Jan, with your very specific niche videos that you do professionally or. Probably sometimes, you know, I just answer. I just answer like it's serious or whatever. And so I'm too serious. I don't know. Yeah, I'd imagine it would be worse for for Jan, because they know that he would read it. Like, there's no way we could look at all our comments. Like, I cannot keep up with all the comments. Every people on my discord said, Bobby, you should just take a hot do a hostile takeover of how not to highlight. OK. So Bobby's doing his first free solo. He's by himself filming with my spare phone. Now, this mining ghost town video with this collab, which is other guys collabing with another guy on this channel and filming without me for the first time. Oh, thank you. Wait a minute. He's doing his own YouTube channel now. No, no, no. It's still on this. It'll be on this. But it'll be a Bobby only episode. Oh, yeah, that. And then I'm trying to get the line scale threes and ship it out to these people that I've been talking to, like sailing or arborists or Canyon, whatever. They get to play with the line scale three for, let's say, a week. Do their project, ship it back with whatever gear they want me to test relevant relative to the thing. And then now I'm making a like instead of just talking for eight minutes and beating around the bush, we actually got twice as much content or the eight to 10 minutes and a break test in every single video from experts in all the different fields. So I don't have to pretend like I know what I'm doing because I don't. I can stop pretending. So, yeah, it's pretty cool. Bobby's an experiment with this distant filming collab idea I have in my head that hopefully works. Mm hmm. Why eight to 10 minutes? My engagement time, my videos are 20 to 45 minutes. You get a different audience when they're kind of stuck with you for a while. But like you said, you want to give them something for their time. I have a very, very, very engaged audience. My average view time is 10 minutes on my entire channel. What's the percentage? Fifty percent. Holy ****. What is that? My voice is ASMR for some people. I don't know. ASMR, what's yours? That's great. It's check. And honestly, my one minute ending. My one minute ending is actually a killer for the percentage, right? Because nobody watches the ending. It's for like, if you've never seen it before, you might stay and watch. But I'm going to actually kill the ending to be only 10 seconds. That might increase my percentage of time watched. Yeah, I would. I would. Yeah, that's the same thing at the end of every channel, right? But if you've never seen the channel, if you have 10,000 new subscribers a month, you want people to know there's a whole website with a bunch of shit on there that it's like, go to the website. You're killing. So mine is like seven minutes and a half on average. Only pretty good. How long your videos? Your videos aren't that long. You guys have to make me look. I don't want to even look at this thing. I ignore it. Percentage. I ignore this. This is my analytics. That's that's great advice for anybody trying to start a YouTube channel. Yeah, I ignore them because I just try to post whatever the hell I feel like posting and not get wrapped up in all the other stuff. It's funny. I don't know anything about my numbers. I have no idea about that. Average view duration is 844 right now. 8 minutes 44 seconds. So holy shit. People need to watch. Oh, I'm putting so much energy to me. Now you can film on a cell phone, too. Yeah, it's a totally different audience that's going to watch 30 minute video. They're the people that are like their feet up and grab some popcorn. You. Yeah. So some people have told me that. Like, I watch this guy, Andre, financial news. But I'm done working. I want to turn my brain off. I watch him in single speed. He's the only YouTuber I watch in single speed. And I enjoy watching his videos. Yeah, I also whatever I watch, it's always two X. It's just and I'm skipping nonstop. I immediately skip the beginning of every single YouTube video. We should not be. You know, we shouldn't be saying this. All right. You know how you know how I edit my videos? I edit my videos in triple speed. Yeah. I want you told me that I started doing that, but my voice is like. Like I'll tighten it up in double speed and then I'll watch the whole thing and actually edit my videos, just watching at the waveforms. So I know where I start speaking and stuff. So I just click with the mouse to that point. But I said it eight or nine times before I liked it. So I have to know which one was the final one. You really are. You really do that? It happens the same to me. So my strategy is to watch edits from the back to the front. So when I'm cutting back. It's always the last take. The last take is always the right take. So I edit from the back and I get the good take and then I just drop out a bunch of stuff and I am getting another good take. But what I do now is I watch all of them take out the really good ones and put them after the jingle at the end for the bloopers of me trying to say the Barbie stuff. And so like I had some really funny things I shouldn't include in the video, but I included them at the end for the humor of it. Yeah, that's true. I just record publish. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. You know, Josh, you can just watch this again. Like, you don't have to take notes while we're doing it. But where's the comedy? Josh, if you're going to watch this again, can you push like and subscribe? We don't know if anybody actually recorded anything. So no, no, no. I got I've already looked. I've recorded this zoom meeting since the beginning. So, yeah, I've got I'm now on one hour and 58 minutes recording. I, I, all right, here's the funny part. All right, you guys. If this makes it in the video and the audience, if you've made it in about an hour and a half is what's probably going to get published. And you made it this funny video. Please tell us that you did that in the comments below, because we're curious if you have nothing else to do but watch us suffer on Zoom with our technology. That's not what you tell them, right? I want to know who's making it through this to the end. This is awesome. You guys are so this is great content. Give yourself a pat on the back by smashing that like button. Oh, my gosh. Well, yeah, I believe you made this for that bottle. Why? Since the beginning of that video. Now that's a climber. You have another bottle you're peeing in. Like, what have you where's it been going? My camera died. Oh, my God. My camera just died a couple of times. Well, my died very fast. Oh, all right. So now I'm curious, whose channel are we posting this to? All four. All four. I don't know. Imagine if we all dropped the same video on all four channels. What would happen? We'd break the output. We'd break. I think we'd break YouTube because YouTube would be like for the same exact videos. What do we do with these? No, no, no. You shrink it three percent. So it can't tell. It's the same video. Well, trust me, it's much smarter than you think. And have you ever done any content like this on your channel? It's all been like really high quality stuff. Like if you put like something like this. So I talked to Ben yesterday about this. He's like, yeah, I'm not actually interested in putting this on my channel at all. Yeah, like his channel is like an Instagram feed. Like for him to put this on YouTube, it'd be like a little blemish. A blemish. Oh, my God. But then I edited this. Well, I don't know how I can make this look good, but we can edit out the part that you were gone for seven minutes. Maybe, yeah. The part was good. Was that the part was good where he was gone? You know, some of the best parts. I was not gone that long. I ran down, got a battery. What have you guys been talking about when I was gone? At least you don't have a big sunspot on your face so we can see more normally. Oh, man. Growing pains. It was just growing pains. It's not how much you spend on your camera, Josh. It's how you use it. Oh, gosh. But I also want somebody to take my final product and put it on Instagram. Put it on TikTok, put it on the website. I don't want to do any of that shit. I don't have time. Did you just say TikTok? Yeah. You're doing TikTok? I'm not the Highline, baby. You're not. You're not a follower. Every time everyone tells me, like says, mentions TikTok to me, like if you do TikTok, I will unsubscribe. It's too late. Yeah, TikTok is getting big, right? How not to TikTok? It's too late, man. I'm thinking about, I'm thinking I might have to. Yeah, I'm thinking I might have to start putting stuff over there. So you're on TikTok, too. OK. I have a million views on the poop video that I put on TikTok. Oh, my gosh. All I did was put the intro. I probably got a thousand subscribers from it. But I just. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I mean, Yon doesn't like to sit for two hours and bullshit. That's probably how he has to get down to his office. That's like. I'll come back. Come down. Climbing into it. Hello, everyone. Yes. You said you had ten ways to solo. Was that your most convenient way to do it without the rope? I didn't get that. Yeah, I did. Never mind. It's a bad joke. OK. On the same note. One more. How much? What's the percentage of the stuff you shoot goes to the video? Fine. Oh, oh, just shoot. Well, sometimes I take like seven takes to get one line. 20 percent. It's going to be. Ryan, 20, 20 to 30 percent makes it into the video. If you count. I don't say a lot of entire scenes that I delete. I don't delete entire scenes. I just cut out all the excess crap. So it's like 80 percent is excess crap in your stuff. Yeah. Like, wow, it broke here and I'll film the dino film this. I'll chase it around the room. And I cut all that out and just put the number on the screen while it's breaking and go, Bobby, what do you think about this? And I hand it to him. So it's like way tighter of an edit. Hmm. Everything I hate about break test videos is what I try not to do. And then you, Joshua. How do I edit video? So it depends on what the video is. If it's like a client fails video, I'm like, I'm up like almost all night just editing it because I film it the day before. Like if I if I'm done with work on Friday, I'll spend my Saturday making the video. Then I hit the rock gym. Then I get back. Then I spend all night doing it and edit it up. So, I mean, I don't know how many hours they spend on it. Maybe I guess if I had a guess, it's like three or four hours or something like that. But it also depends on what the video is. If it's like one of my super uncut videos, I'll just post the whole thing up and throw it. I think I just did a video where I talk about my discord. 100% of what I filmed went on there. It was almost like a live upload like this is. I just threw it on. But it depends. It depends what the video is. Sometimes I like to get crafty and nice and make things cool. I know how to do that. But most of the time I've got time for that. It's it's I got to get I got to get it out there, get on to the next thing. What's your master class take? How much goes on there? You script it out, don't you? This guy wants. Yeah, the thing is that it's scripted. And as I already said to you yesterday, I usually like have an entire script. And then I go one take where I just read it and then I say it enough times until it sounds right. Because usually, especially if I start recording in the beginning, it sounds like that I just woke up and something is weird with me. And after I get going, it goes faster. So in the beginning, I might say the intro like six, seven times. Just the intro. Yeah. Yeah. And they're done that. Yeah. I turn the camera on to fail. I it doesn't count until the camera's on. So I just like I'm like, turn it on, Bobby or whatever. The first three takes are going to be garbage regardless. I just get them out of the way. Well, yeah, sometimes I even like do the intro. I start talking about the topic and then I stop the camera. Start it again. The start recording again and do the intro again and then talk again. If I waste five minutes, I'll start the camera over and delete that footage. Am I crazy for this? But I have 100% of everything I've ever filmed all in hard drives. I have mine. Everything, everything, everything. I've completely unedited. Everything is on hard drives from the from the first video ever made up to now. Everything is on there. You watch Jason Neistat too much. Why does he just keeps everything? Yeah, he has like archives from whatever. Who does that? Jason Neistat. Well, he has nice shit. Like he has super nice shit. I want to make a NAS, like a huge server with all my stuff on it. I back up my final renders on the three hundred and fifty six episodes I've made and the rest of it is on one hard drive that it was originally on. I just never delete it, but I don't back that shit up. Yeah, I'm thinking I'm going to just start saving just the like edited version and just have all those saved. But then I always thought, like, I've ever wanted to go back. You don't and you don't. But you never know. No, no, no. I know I'm five years into this, dude. I've never gone back on old unedited footage. I did it once. I had like a 10,000 subscriber special bloopers video. And I went and I did that. I posted up all the like outtakes of me stumbling over all the crap I had to say that I posted that up just for what I'm going to take for my five year anniversary video. I'm just taking my published videos and airing all my dirty laundry. How bad I was. Yeah, it's kind of bad. All right, Ben. Sure. When I go to Sweden and I spend seven days on a mountain rigging a two point one kilometer long high line, I'll use 10 to 20 percent of that footage to make a final cut. Because going to Sweden, I did in June, July, and we rigged a world record and that we're going to make a trilogy. And it's but it's not going to like I have so much footage. I'm not going to even use half of it. But a break test video, everything we film goes in the video. It's just how many takes does it take? So all these are all on cell phones. Oh, my gosh. So I want to create a film like a film film, like a film film with your cell phones, just to say I did that because I think that's been done. It's been done. Yeah, but it works when I'm hiking. I usually have like my camera flipped here. Yes. You look like a tourist. I know. Yeah, they can with the big microphone. So it's even weirder. So if something happens, I'm just like, I want to do a how not to YouTube channel when I get to 100,000 subscribers and just be like, don't try so hard. Just just don't try so hard. Yes. Take take Brian's advice. Yes. Do clickbait titles like Josh. Do quality like Ben and just film with your cell phone. But go deep and niche like Jan. And you do all four and you will have 100,000 subscribers. Jane's going to be, though, I can't catch up to Ben. He's do you do you recognize Ben? Like when you go out to the Krager, they're like, Ben, they're actually a lot. And it's growing like crazy now. And I at first I was very shy. I'm like, oh, you get it to yourself. Yeah. And the problem is that then they kind of expect from you that you will just rush him all the time. Oh, my God. Yes. I go to a highline festival and I can barely highlight you guys. They expect me to just rush these 200 meter lines. And I know you're like, I'm the rigger. I'm the rigger. Yeah. Yeah. I get recognized all the time when I go to a gym. I just got a message. I was at the gym last night and then I get a message like, were you just at the gym? Like, yeah. I'm like, wow, these people are recognizing me from his little channel. It's pretty crazy. But there's you know, it's all that kind of stuff. And some people like the stuff where I do like how to get out of being stuck in a knot or something like that. So but it's pretty it's pretty crazy. YouTube gets around only highline festivals. Do I have a 95 percent recognized rate? I imagine in climbing only Bobby gets recognized. That's interesting. That's really interesting. I don't think I've ever been recognized in the wild outside. And he's been recognized in grocery stores and Moab. Yeah, for me, it's Yosemite. People recognize me in Yosemite. That's where people use your techniques. I'm always imagining you're doing your craft on El Capitan. I know you don't live here, but like that's where I envision you doing what you do. Not in the dark, on a climbing wall, five minutes from your house. Like it's those eight climbers going up there alone. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. When we start doing big wall videos, I imagine it'll happen more. Oh, I was recognized once I put out my one big wall video, just one out of just highline content, and it got 250,000 views. And like an idiot, I'm like, I'll just be making highline content instead of being like, wow, that's a clear sign. And this guy, I'm hiking at half point. I don't even have a backpack on. I'm like, I look like a tourist. And he's like, do you make that big wall video? I'm like, my channel has 6000 subscribers or something. I'm like, what? That's crazy. You can recognize me out in a random forest. The craziest time I ever got recognized is I was in a gym. I had a mask on because of the vent of the vent. So I'm like this. And they're like, beta climber? Like, how the hell do you know who I am? He's like the hat. I was like, oh, yeah, OK. That's funny. Yeah. As one guy thought I was you. I was Ryan. I was like, he's like, aren't you the guy that makes the highline videos? I'm like, no, I'm the guy that comes after his video. That's a good pitch. Yeah, I'm thinking about giving away my broken samples now. I mean, this is more work and more unique. You could completely sell those on eBay or something, you know? Oh, these? No, like eBay. No, you're broken stuff. I don't even use eBay. All I have to go is, you know, yeah, I guess. But I mean, you could auction them off. Be like, this was on my channel. I think people would buy that. It would at least be really cool. Yeah. You put that in a little. I would completely buy that. Put that right there a little. If you have to be in a little. And we're breaking cans and nuts. We're actually breaking stuff that looks cool, broken, like a broken greegree and like a bazillion pieces. Like, look, no one's going to put their climbing gear on the wall. They have to use it. They can't just if it's broken, they're not going to be able to use it. So now they could do something with it. And that's the core. Like, I'm going to do this video about how to turn a rope like an old rope into a carpet or something, like weave it around. I thought that would be pretty interesting. Like once you have an old rope, what do you do with it? It's like, man, you don't want to get rid of it. And maybe you could chop it up and use it for other things. But, you know, it sucks throwing out that stuff. A lot of it's like history, too. But the climbing gear lasts forever. I have climbing gear from who knows? Probably when I was born, as old as me. He's he's about to grab something right now to come out with something old, blow the dust off it. Some old teetons. Those look like they're made out of lead. Yeah, it's crap, really. But, you know, how long those are. Yeah. You trying to compensate for the lack of hardness in your rock? Super long. Yeah, super long. Some gave it to me. That's big stuff. I don't know what to do with it. If someone wants it, I can send it to anybody. Send it to me. I'll turn it into a coat rack and and then and then raffle it off on his channel. Yeah. Do you want it? Yeah. I mean, I'm not far. I'll go pick it up. Oh, yeah, for sure. Just wear a mask when you go over the border. Yeah. Can you come over to America or like, how's that working right now? Because when I was up, I was I have to fly. Can we fly? I could only fly. Yeah, there's the border was closed when I was up there. They're limiting the amount of passage. So you have if you have an RV or a car, you have to get hire someone to drive it through and then take a plane and then you take your car. Oh, I want to do that. I wanted to older. I want to build a Glen. Was it Glen Falls? Is it that I don't know here? It's that area right under Niagara Falls. And I wanted to get over there. I was there a couple a couple of months ago and I couldn't get over the borders completely shut down like, man, I was a bummer all the way up there. But that's OK. Let's see Niagara Falls. I I've heard the Americans can come to Canada right now, but not sure. All Americans, Americans can come to Canada. Yeah, I've heard you guys are the trap. You guys are trapped every day. Changes every day. Wow. Well, this was a. This worked out really well. Yeah, I think this is cool. So I think you're going to be shocked how much people like this. Really shocked. Well, I'd have to send it to you, then I'd send to Ryan. So it's two steps instead of. Well, no, I can. I give you the technology. I just tell you how to use it. Oh, no, I got it. I got all that stuff. I could chop it up. I'll just throw it into my premiere. Yeah, and then put it in Premiere, cut it up into 15 minute segments. If that's the case, why don't I just edit it? I could edit it. Maybe cut it. What do you guys know? Oh, seven. No, you use now to start making nice content. Just because you said that. Let's start making it beautiful. I'm going to make nice content to show you. He's thinking you can't. I can edit, but it's going to be next month. So, yeah, it might be faster than me. All right. OK, easy. All right. We'll figure it out. It'll get done. We'll get it. So when you when when you plan to drop this in a month then or. A month or two. Me? Yeah, yeah. You got to drop this like maybe a month or so. If I edit this, I would probably publish it within 30 days. 30 days. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because when I'm done, I'm going to wait. All right. First of all, my experience is it'll be seven days before you give me this content. Oh, I will get this to you tonight. OK, I can get this to you tonight if you want it. OK, then I'm going to edit it and have to wait for all of your opinions. And then I'm going to want to add your logos in the corner so it looks nicer. And I'm going to want to do shit. So because Ben's watching, I want it to look nice. And the standards are higher. Well, if we if we end up making this a thing, right, where every once in a while we have the meeting of the minds or something, if let's say, let's say, let's say people really enjoy this content, right? If this is super good feedback, yes, recording. Yeah. If people really like this and we got together, you know, we made this a thing, you know, we do it properly. All right. Well, let's see what people think. If people don't, if we get 1000 views and 900 thumbs downs, then we know not to do it again. Yeah. Yeah. I don't see that happening. Yeah, I don't see that happening either. I mean, you know, Ben's great hair is in this video. It'll go good. I had a good time. I had a good time anyway. So it was fun hanging out. It is fun. Yeah. Yeah. I'm late. Thank you.