Getting Spirituality Down to a Science with Guest Author Prasann V. Thakrar

Welcome to Awake to Oneness Radio. I am Caroline Chang, your host. The mission of Awake to Oneness Radio is to inspire the world to awaken to the universal truth of oneness. Spirituality and science are both telling us that we are literally connected, that we're literally all one. Science uses the term non-duality. Spirituality uses the term oneness. Non-duality and oneness mean the same thing, that we are all one. So basically what you do to another person you literally are doing to another aspect of yourself. So once the world recognizes this and realizes this truth, there will be peace on earth. Today's topic is getting spirituality down to a science with author Pasan Thakkar. He is the author of a book entitled God Equals MC Square. I discovered this book in the summer of 2012 and I contacted Pasan and he was so so gracious to send me an autographed copy of the book and I am so honored that he did that. I love the book and I love the title. It's truly inspirational the way it bridges spirituality and science. Most of us are familiar with the equation, with Einstein's famous equation E equals MC Square. Well the E stands for energy. Science is telling us that everything is energy. Everything is energy and everything has a vibration and a frequency. So if we take that everything is energy and my belief is that God is everything. God is all that is. God is in everything. God is everything. So we can take the word the term God equals MC Square. So I just I fell in love with the title of the book and contacted Pasan and the wonderful thing is a part of what Awake to Oneness Radio wants to do is to show that not only spirituality is teaching us and telling us that we're all one but also science is. And so today's guest is going to be the first guest that we have on that is actually going to bridge spirituality and science together. So Pasan, how are you? Pasan? Yes I'm doing very well Caroline and thank you so much for having me on the show. It's an honor to be on the show and I love what you're doing with the show Awake to Oneness. I mean I couldn't have said it any better and I believe that is exactly true and what you are talking about and what you're trying to portray here with your show and having the guest talk. I think you're doing a fabulous job. So I appreciate that and I appreciate being here. Thank you. Well thank you. I'm so honored to have you. Can you share with our audience some of your story, you know share your story with us and share how you came to write the book God equals MC Square. Sure, absolutely. It was, it has been, it wasn't an event specifically but it has been a process that I've gone through in the last few years I would say beginning from probably about 2006 onwards that has excuse me sorry that has kind of caused this evolution if you will and a revolution as well if you will in my life that caused me to to write this book. I came across Dr. Wayne Dyer. I don't know if a lot of your listeners might be aware of Dr. Wayne Dyer. He's my self-proclaimed spiritual guru and he's just amazing. He's mind-blowing and I came across his book Being in Balance and I believe it was about 2006, May of 2006 almost to be precise and I read his book and I listened to his seminar that was pertaining to the book and a lot of things that he said it just blew my mind and I was like this is this is the information that we all need and then about a year later I came across The Secret which a lot of you know it was a it was a super phenomenal success as far as in the publishing world 20 million copies of the book there were well it was really initially it was a documentary a film that was made into a book and into an audiobook and that both of these combined kind of changed my life because they both in a way talked about this law which is the law of attraction and which says that you attract into your life what you think about and it's not just something that you think about once or twice or ten times it's something that you believe in it's your predominant thoughts in your mind it's your belief about life and what it's supposed to be like and it's your attitude in general and basically what the concept was that you get what you think about which is what I love what Dr. Wayne Dyer says he says you get what you think about whether you want it or not and whatever you focus on whatever you think about it's not just thoughts I mean people say oh I can be positive and I'm thinking positive thoughts and why aren't positive things happening in my life I'm thinking positive thoughts but the thoughts that kind of are internalized and you think about them all all day long every day and you have a certain feeling about that you know whatever you're at whatever you think about and you say oh life is tough and then you feel that life is tough and that feeling is what brings that into your life and and therefore life becomes tough and then or if you think that money is easy for you and you keep thinking that then money coming into your life is easy now I'm not saying your life is going to be great otherwise but money whatever you think about so if you're thinking about money and you're saying money is easy then money comes to you easily and frequently in large amounts I mean there are billionaires out there I think it was a show on CNBC a few years ago there are more than a thousand billionaires just in the u.s. just in the u.s. alone so there are billionaires a thousand of them and they thought the thoughts that you know money is easy and that's what happened for them I'm not saying it's as simple as that but in a way it really is simple as that so that changed my life and then in in the secret there's an author James Arthur Ray who was talking about what if you were to ask a theologian what God is and they would say always was and always will be and never can be created or destroyed is always moving in into form to form and out of form and that's what a theologian would say as far as what God is or who or what God is and if you ask the quantum physicist a scientist you know what created energy or what created the universe basically the same question is what God is and what created the universe you know people theologians would say God and quantum physicists would say energy always was and always will be never can be created or destroyed always moving into form to form and out of form and that just got my mind going and I'm like so you're talking about energy and that's what all the spiritual traditions religious traditions if you will talk about as to what created the universe and science and spirituality as you mentioned in the introduction of the show Caroline is saying the same thing that it's energy that creates everything and that's what led led me to come with the title of the book God equals EML or MT squared meaning instead of God it's E which is what Einstein said E equals MT squared and I just changed that to God to say equals MT squared so science and spirituality are really talking about the same thing it's just that science is now coming about to kind of proving that does that make sense yes yes everything you said it's like we you and I we we read the same books we we've been inspired by the same people actually my first introduction to metaphysics as I call it yeah was think think and grow rich by Napoleon Hill and that was back in the 70s when I was a teenager that was the metaphysical book I read introducing me to the concept that your your thoughts are things and again I was a teenager so I read the book but it was like it was what the thing is when you're introduced to things of this nature and we are programmed so differently in this whole idea that your thoughts are things and you attract what you think about that's so foreign to our programming you know that's not what our teachers are telling us that's not what our churches are telling us that you know that's not what our parents are telling us that's not our programming so when you first hear especially as a teenager you don't really grasp a hold of it but it did resonate with it stayed with me even though I didn't understand it it stayed with me even as a teenager and I continued to look and look and look but like you mentioned the secret and dr. Wayne Dyer all of these have been inspirational in my my path and my spiritual growth as well so definitely I I the whole concept of law of attraction and and what you you attract what you think it's so so true and and like you said a lot of people don't understand that underlining because there a lot of people will say okay I'm positive I'm positive but positive things are not happening but if you're saying that you're you're underlying thought is positive things are not happening no matter how many times you say yeah and no matter how many times you say a positive affirmation if you can't fool the universe you know the universe knows God knows exactly what's in your heart so it has to be a heartfelt belief a heartfelt thought it can't just be from the brain it has to come from the heart and I'm not sure if you're familiar with heart math but they have done a lot of research how your heart is so much more the energy the electromagnetic field emitting from your heart is so much stronger than your brain so it that if you just think a positive thought but not really it doesn't really resonate in your heart you don't really you don't really believe it you can't trick the universe you can't trick God you know so I think that's where a lot of people are feeling frustration like you said the secret was very very popular in 2007 and a lot of you know a lot of people bought the book and read and watched the DVD and and listened to the audio and then got disillusioned because they're like okay I'm saying all these positive affirmations but it's not showing up but that's exactly your your underlying belief is what you have to work on you have to you have to really get to your core belief system because that your core belief is what you're attracting to yourself so no matter what you say it's not as powerful as your your core belief so definitely like and like you said you came up with a wonderful title God equals MC squared because that's true you know energy is everything God is everything they're they're the they're one in the same as you would say so that is very so when you how did you first go about writing the book in and getting it published and doing all of that sure absolutely well but before I go into that I would say that like as you mentioned that the Heart Max Institute which I actually quote in my book there is a part where I write about it and say that the Heart Max Institute actually did the study and they found that the physical organ that is the heart it's the most powerful transceiver meaning a transmitter and receiver of information way more powerful than the brain as you mentioned and there is an about it there is an electromagnetic field that extends the human body you know from the heart onwards about six feet of radius from the physical human body that originates from the heart that actually feels information and data or other feelings from other human beings and other events that your brain would never be able to do the most powerful transceiver of information in your in your body and it actually that's why they say love you know they say you know I you feel the love in your heart you actually really physically feel the love in your heart in the physical organ that heart and not just a metaphorical you know explanation of all you say all manner of the heart my heart skips a beat and so on and so forth but because it actually feels it and that's why it really is the organ so that's why the feeling of any situation instead of just thinking about it with your brakes I'm not saying that thinking about something is not important it absolutely is because that's where it's right but if you keep focusing on something and you keep thinking about that then you start feeling a certain thing about that positive or negative and if it's positive and your your heart feels it and you feel that then you are developing that positive aspect of whatever it is that you want or whatever it is you're feeling and then if it's on the other side you won't go there but then that's unfortunately what happens because your heart or your brain or your mind doesn't know the difference it just takes what you are telling it and what you're thinking and what you're feeling and and tries to make it feel so that you know that's the aspect of it and I apologize what was your what was your question well I'll get back to that question but you when you mentioned a heart math again it it reminded me of another finding from heart math they you know they have these sensors and they measure of the world with these sensors and I'm you know I'm 9-eleven they measured how the world at the coherence of the world spiked on 9-eleven showing that our heart are that field you were just talking about with so many people feeling the same thing at the same time these meters spiked but the the really fantastic thing about that study is that it actually started to spike before the towers got before about I'm I can't remember the exact amount I think it's like a few hours talking about the random event generators or random yeah generators that kind of went haywire around yeah I'm before it but it and it a couple I think a couple of hours before the the towers even got hit or hit meaning that our heart our hearts are intelligent and they it proceed it thought the future is in a few out you know it knew what was coming before we knew what was coming and it right that is that is so amazing it is so amazing that is just amazing I'm actually actually I am in communications with HeartMath and hoping to have a guest on from HeartMath in the near future so that would be awesome well please tune in and the question going back to the question I had asked if can you share with our audience you know how you went about getting your you're writing the book and getting it published and all of that how did that happen for you I'm sure a lot of people yes go ahead yeah so I mean is it something I'm a first-time author I've never written a book I mean if you were to ask American probably 80 at least 80% maybe more you know close to 90% of people in America would want to write a book want to write a book but most of them don't do it so it was a never-before-done task for me that I was like okay I'm gonna write a book and it was just this one idea right as I mentioned God equals MC squared that everything is energy that came to me and and then I just affirmed to myself that this is something I want to do that I want to write this book about bridging the gap the supposed gap because I don't think there is a gap but people perceive there to be a gap that between science and spirituality and so it became a solid idea in my mind and from that idea the once it was solidified it had to be solidified I couldn't be like wishy-washy about it and I can say well yeah it would be nice to write a book no I decided that I wanted to write a book about the subject and and I was passionate about it I mean from 20 years ago when I first took my college English class I was like oh I should write you know this is my passion I love writing I didn't know what I wanted to write about I mean I mean I had a feeling I wanted to write about science because I thought science was so amazing because everything we see is is basically developed by science you know how is it that we live in the cars that we drive the phones that we are talking about everything you know technology that was developed by science so it was very amazing to me that you know this was a concept or idea that I wanted to write about but I was still kind of not so very much so passionate about it but I was like okay maybe I should write about that and then that kind of went to the back of my mind and I never really got into it but then as I mentioned I came across the secret and Dr. Wayne Byers teachings and it changed my life and I said all right now I can see that I want to write about bridging science and spirituality because all my life I've always wondered is there evidence or proof of God of God's existence you know you know we believe in religion like you said initially that there's all this programming that we have that is given to us by well well-meaning you know they don't mean ill well-meaning parents and teachers and mentors and siblings and everybody that we come across in our life as we are growing up from when we were born they don't mean to lead us astray they want us to have a good life but they have been programmed themselves so they're only going by their own programming and they don't necessarily question it so they tell us what they think is true they what they think was was is right you know and it's not necessarily always I'm not saying everything they tell us is wrong but they tell us all of that and they program us and then we go about living our lives believing the same things that they did so that we end up doing the same thing so I figured that there had to be something out there that kind of provided some kind of evidence if not downright proof that there is this power in existence that we may call God or spirit or the higher self you know doesn't matter what you call it like Shakespeare said you know a rose by any other name wouldn't smell less sweet so doesn't matter what you call God it's still God and it has all the things and attributes of God so I figured that I would want to write this and it just hit the book just came to me you know sometimes word at a time sometimes a sentence or phrase sometimes chapters at a time and all I do is write it down and then I try to approach major publishers that didn't quite work out so I just said you know what I'm not gonna I'm not gonna wait I'm just gonna get this out there because I think people need to read this and right so I self-publish my book and it's out there now. Wonderful, wonderful well that you you you're talking about following your inspiration following your passion and that's exactly what really it is what I would like for the show to help do too is to help inspire people to follow whatever their passion is your passion was to write and my passion was just I didn't know anything about starting a radio show and I woke up in the middle of night and my soul said do it so I'm like I didn't argue I just did it so I'm following your passion. I like that very much. I love it actually. Yes that's the key and a lot sometimes like I think it's the programming again is a part of why people are sometimes afraid they they have a passion but they're afraid are their mind starts to say well I don't have enough of this or I don't have enough of that to do that you know they they start to like think negative thoughts let negative thoughts creep in and stop them from following their passion but I encourage all our listeners and everybody on the planet to follow your passion because your passion is why you came here that's your soul speaking to you that's your soul saying okay you came here to do this now go do it so wonderful wonderful so can you also share with us you had mentioned to me about your son we had a conversation earlier can you share that conversation with with our audience absolutely and I will kind of also hit up again on what you said is that the passion that a person has is their very reason and purpose of being here because in every human being I know there's almost seven billion of us and you know people might find it hard to believe but every individual has a unique gift it may not always be unique in the sense that oh there are you know there's already a whole bunch of singers out there why do they need another singer out there or why do they need another musician out there or why do they need you know another public speaker there's thousands of them but there are things that a person can do in their own unique way that has never been done before so that's why there is a need for another singer another 10 million fingers and another thousand hundred thousand public speakers and another million doctors because everybody is going to have their own unique perspective that they can bring to the table and to say that you know yes it doesn't you know you're not you don't necessarily have to read when the wheel and say oh I'm gonna do something that is no you know nobody has ever done before no it could be something that has been done before millions of times but you're gonna do it in a way that has never been done before so that's what I think a lot of people need to get that it doesn't have to be something new it can be something that as you mentioned that there that somebody's passionate about and they'll find that they feel alive any of my listeners when you do what you feel that you wanted to do when you were young or maybe you are still young and you feel that passion do it and I know we all worry about oh there isn't enough money or if I go into this field I'm not gonna make enough money and I'm not gonna be able to feed myself or my family and all of these worries and all of this programming comes into play and I'm not saying it's not legitimate and those are legitimate concerns you do want to feed your family you want to feed yourself you want to be able to pay the rent or the mortgage or whatever it might be and those are legitimate concerns however if you follow that path you do it on a part-time basis you know still keep your day job as they say but follow it as much as you can in your free time if you don't have it and work on that a little bit and see if you can develop a career on that and the money will come it'll be taken care of and have that faith that it will be if you take that that step in that direction of doing what you should be doing you know instead of just saying okay I need to just get a job that you know nine-to-five job that's gonna pay me my wage and I can I can you know earn a living so having said that yes my son who is will be eight in September so he's a little over seven and a half he's an autistic child he's on the autism I don't know if any of my listeners would know from disorder so there is you know it's a spectrum it's a wide variety you know from the extreme to the very mild and you know people can be on anywhere on that spectrum of autism I would say my son is on the milder side but he clearly is has and has shown the symptoms of autism and he has been diagnosed what I would say first of all is that in my opinion and I'm not just saying that because he's my son I feel he's the most he's the happiest person that I have ever met in my life he's the most blissful human being that I know now having said that I read I recently up just about a week ago I came across this book actually this is it was my wife had met this lady who happened to notice my son in this in this Indian grocery store and she noticed the signs that maybe my son might be autistic the reason she noticed that is because her son is autistic so they started talking and then they became friends and they invited us over to dinner about two weeks ago and then I went there and we went to dinner and I found this book there it's called the title of the book is the reason I jump and the subtitle is the inner voice teen-year-old boy with autism and it's a Japanese child Naoki Higashida I'm sure I'm not pronouncing it correctly that's n-a-o-k-i-h-i-g-a-s-h-i-d-a Naoki Higashida is the author 13 year old boy well he's like well over 20 now but again the book title is the reason I jump a New York Times bestseller I would urge no I would beg anybody listening if you know somebody who is an autistic person or an autistic child if that's your child it's a sibling it's you know anyway you are related to an autistic child or you're a caregiver for an autistic child you're a teacher in a school with autistic children I beg you I beg you wholeheartedly to get this book and to read this book because this will change your life and will change the life of that person that autistic child that is in contact with you because just to the title is the reason I jump and one of the things that autistic people do is they like to jump in special children and then there are so many other things that they do and the answer to those questions are given by a person who's autistic who happens to be at least you know he's able to to articulate which is very difficult for an autistic person to do when you read this book you understand he's able to articulate the answers to these questions just for as an example I just I'm just cracking this book open is it true that you hate being touched that's question number 16 and he answers that then question number 17 why do you wave goodbye with your palm facing yourself and then when you're on one of your highs what's going through your mind and why do you make a huge fuss over tiny mistakes these are mistakes that they would make like for example my son if he's carrying a glass of water he carries it so safely he doesn't want a single drop to fall out of the glass and why is that that they do that and again why do you jump which is the title of the book you know what's the reason you jump that's question number 25 and he answers that and it's absolutely mind-blowing because after I read that book and I went home it was a day I had opened I have a convenience store that I put me and my wife home and I went home because she relieved me after like five o'clock and I went home and I was gonna take a nap because I was so tired and my son was there and he and I we spent like three hours I was gonna take a nap I was so exhausted I slept like five hours each night the last three nights and I worked like 15-16 hours every day I couldn't go to sleep I I was spending time with him and I was connecting him connecting with him like I have never done before I mean it's not like I I under I felt I understood him from the day he was born you know and I could I could feel what he was trying to convey but this just took it to the next level and I'm promising anybody who's listening if you have a friend or a family member like even if it's not somebody that you're directly related to get this book you give that as a gift to that person and quite frankly you know what if you can't afford it or there is something that's preventing you from getting this book reach out to me I'll buy it and I'll send it to you because it's that powerful and it's going to be life-changing for you and for the child and I could send that two three hours that we spent together I could send him because he's he doesn't have speech he doesn't talk but just his look in his eye was he could tell that I could understand him a thousand times better than before like I could know that and we connected in a way that I could not explain so I would urge you to do that and thank you Caroline for bringing that up because I think this is going to be it's going to be life-changing for the better or for everybody involved with an autistic child or an autistic person that's that's beautiful that's because from what I'm hearing you your son is letting you know that he can see a difference in you that he can he's letting you know that you see him now that he knows that you see him which is beautiful yes that's beautiful I mean not that it wasn't the case before but it just took it to a level where you know like I said the whole concept of your show is that oneness and I feel that oneness with him that I again like I said I lost like the day he was born literally the day he was born he was smiling and I told the nurse and you're gonna laugh and I told her I'm like this smiling at me you know he's my son he's like no he has gas I can tell he's smiling at me and he did that from day one from the day he was born and I've always felt like I almost communicated with him telepathically you know even before the age that he would normally would talk even before he didn't talk I knew what he was feeling what he was thinking or at least that's what I feel but this was a week ago when he's all right you know more than seven and a half and I felt this connection and like you said he was letting me know with his eyes just looking at me and and hugging me and letting me know that dad you finally understand what I'm going to you can you can feel it or at least you know and I cried for an hour I couldn't stop crying and it was beautiful it was it was amazing and I like it that's why I'm so passionate about this and I'm amazed that you know I'm surprised that I didn't know about it that's why I want everybody to know about it that to get this book the reason I jump in the voice of a 13 year old boy with autism I mean they feel they feel like they're in a prison of their body and they do things they they flap their arms and they jump and they make these funny sounds and they bolt like they run and you know they do all these things and you will understand why they do it and that will be a connection that you've never felt before Wow that also kind of it also reminds me of my my first guest was Robert Schwartz who wrote your soul's plan and your soul's gift and I I personally do believe that we plan like your son's soul in his pre-birth planning he picked you to be his dad and and that was a soul agreement you and him had on a soul level and he picked he he chose to come into this incarnation with you know autism for a right but he he also you know you said from day one he was smiling he was happy he's like okay I know why I came I'm happy I'm all I'm good you know that's beautiful that's beautiful well you kind of you kind of hit up on something that I absolutely and completely and totally agree with and believe in is that that we choose these maladies if you will or we choose our parents we actually choose our parents we choose the lifetime of you know whatever it might be the challenges exactly the talent and we choose our parents and the funny thing is that you mentioned that he chose us and I wrote this this is on page 322 of my book in the ecological section and thanks to my son for having come into our lives and having brought us such joy that we could not have imagined I know that you had a choice and you chose us for that I have dedicated this book to you so I knew he chose us and I know that he chose to have autism now people might say why would anybody be so crazy so to speak to ever choose that and what I would say is that that is the bravest or one of the bravest and most courageous souls there is out there. Courageous. Who chose to. What's that? Yeah who chose that. Exactly. I'm gonna go in being completely not normal and I'm gonna be there in the world where everybody else or most people are normal and I'm gonna I'm gonna be out there and to learn what I need to learn and to teach others like for example us his parents what we need to learn. To teach us compassion and love and patience and understanding but that was Robert's first title of his book it the publisher changed the title to your soul's plan but the original title of the book was courageous souls so you're absolutely right we do have a caller we have a caller from the eight four three area code okay with a question okay eight four three area code you are live. Hello. Hi. Hello. Hi. Are you doing reading? Not readings we have an author by the name of Pasan Tucker he wrote a book called God equals MC squared so we have an author okay did you have a question are you for the author or? Well no I'll listen I've read your book though. Oh. Let me listen because I've read your book it's phenomenal. Yes it's a great book awesome book okay and so did you want to share something with the author while we have you? No I just think it's a great example of how everything works. Okay. At home I thought it was very concise and just head home so. Okay well thank you thank you for calling in. Thank you yeah that was the reason why you called in and maybe you were listening to it and there was something you were supposed to get you know. Exactly. I'll continue to each of us has a unique gift unique that we can we all have something that we can bring to whatever field of art music medicine whatever we're doing we have something unique that no one else has because we are all unique divine we're all divine but we're all uniquely divine aspect of God so that that that's the wonderful thing about following your passion because when you follow your passion it leads you to that unique thing that only you can share with the world and a lot of people might you know a lot of people don't think highly of themselves but they each one of us is a unique divine spark of God and we it's something that each one of us has that no one else has so that can bring to the table of whatever location our career our you know our passion that's where your passion will bring bring you to that and like you said what if you follow it and you follow it to like you said you follow your passion wherever you're comfortable if you you want to follow it on the weekend a couple of hours a week um you know because you still feel you have to make do the nine to five to pay the bill to you follow your passion as much as you're comfortable following it but don't ever let you know don't ever ignore it don't ever ignore what your heart is calling and and leading you to do because you will it'll amaze you when you do that it'll just amaze you so that is so true about the uniqueness of each and every one of us and how we are all uniquely divine and all a part of God never can be disconnected you know we think we might be disconnected we we can never be disconnected from from God so that is really really a wonderful that you shared that with us I also um wanted to ask you to share a little bit with the audience you about your former radio show and the mission of the your show at that time absolutely yes it was entitled spiritual Renaissance and I did that for almost a year and I had some fabulous guests on the show including Mike Dooley who is one of my favorite teachers from the secret and he's a friend of mine and I've met him several times and and we are in touch and I've had several several guests on the show who pretty much are talking about the same concepts and same ideas in science and spirituality and kind of bridging them and it was it was a powerful experience to to talk to talk to these folks and to talk about these subjects on on the air and it changed my life just doing the show as I'm sure that doing this show that you're doing is also impacting your life in a way that you might have never thought so it was amazing and and I want to I want to restart that and very soon I plan on doing that in the last couple of years as I mentioned before we ended up starting a business a convenience store in in Massachusetts and that's where I live so that is kind of taking up a lot of my time but just you reconnecting with me Caroline that even that was a sign for me to say you know I I need to get back to that which is the purpose of my life is to write and to to be on the show or to do a radio show and just to talk about it doesn't even have to be a form like just to let just let you know that you can actually do what you feel passionate about even in your job that you might have that for example I have this storm and I talk about spirituality and I talk about being positive and feeling positive to my customers and some of them may go their eyes some of them may think I'm crazy some of them may think I'm overly optimistic I I don't care you know I try it's whoever is ready for the information will get and whoever's not no judgment no criticism right you know that's okay they're not ready for it yet I wasn't until I was like 30 something you know 32 or whatever it was you know so I wasn't ready for it and now maybe I might have dismissed it maybe I might not have just like you mentioned you came across Think and Grow Rich when you were 17 you know and I stuck with you but you didn't really kind of really take it to heart so to speak but you remembered it and you knew that you came across that but then when the time was right in your life you started to think oh I came across this information when I was 17 and I see clearly how and why that is right so like in my day-to-day life I try to practice it. Like planting seeds. I'm sorry go ahead. Like I was just saying even if someone's not really receiving it they are still hearing what you're saying and it's still kind of planting seeds in the back of their mind you know so it's it's planting seeds and that's what awakening to awakening to oneness is all about because I do believe that the world will get to a point where we know just like the world that mankind at one time thought the world was flat and came to learn that the world is not flat you know because if someone had said in those days no I think the world is round they'd look at you like you're crazy but you know now we all know the world is round so I believe the concept the idea that we're one we're all connected I believe sometimes in the future maybe not in my lifetime but sometime in the future it will be a known fact okay we're all one and and we and then it'll be we'll be living in a different world there will be no more war because you won't because you know what you do to another person you do it to yourself yeah so you hit the nail on the head Caroline let's hope it is in our lifetime anyway but we'll see what happens and we'll do what we can and all of our listeners hopefully will do what they can but like just to give you an idea of why I mean on the scientific side as science says that everything is energy so you can take a brick you know in the wall of a building and you can take a human being or you can take a star or you can take a fish and you can take a speck of dirt doesn't matter it's all made up of material which is ultimately molecules and atoms and then ultimately some atomic particles and then vibrating energy at one point and one thing is that I would say this is this is not a political thing it's what I would say is that it's that literally I mean we all say Earth is us what we had Earth's day what couple of days ago I think it was yes yes April we say Mother Earth yes we say Mother Earth but literally that is absolutely 100% true because every single atom in your body and my body and every other person of seven billion human beings literally every atom came from the earth because it came from either a plant or from an animal which again either ate a plant if there are be worse or carnivores they ate another animal that wasn't earth so they ate something that was ultimately a plant and plant grew the plant grew from the earth and all the atoms that came into that came from the earth literally and then the sunlight so they're really made up of the physical element that elements that are in the earth and light which comes from the Sun so that is exactly what we are made up of we are literally made up of the earth so yes first of all we need to respect that and to understand that we are literally made up of the earth and every atom in our body I love what there's an Indian yogi yogi teacher named Sadhguru and he says that you know Mother Earth has lent us this body which is which she has she'll take it back exactly the way it is no interest though every item that came into us is going to be taken back exactly the way it was and and we are doing that every day we are shedding skin and we're shedding yes you know we are shedding parts of our body so to speak but then we're eating food so we are getting it again but again all of that will be taken back Adam my Adam Adam for Adam but you know what that's our mother she gave us physical life yes the soul comes from God and of course we if we recognize that as well can we understand the importance of not only the earth but all what we would thank God because that's our spiritual parent and the right is our physical parent if you will and if we also go back to energy energy science has is telling us energy everything is energy and energy I cannot be destroyed it only transforms like you were talking about molecule to going back to the earth it transforms so energy everything is energy and so in energy cannot be destroyed so create an order yeah you right in essence what we have is eternal it's in it's an internal cycle of life it's I personally I don't believe in death when we leave our physical body a physical body does go back to the earth as you were saying and our spirit goes on but there it I don't look at it as a death it's a transformation it's a rebirth into spirit and your your physical body goes back to Mother Earth as you said you know so it's it's just it's a cycle it's all it's not linear it's it's a cycle it's a life cycle so there's no it's just a rebirth into a new experience in a rebirth everything is just transforming I agree that whole heartedly and I was in fact just as I mentioned that you know I tried to practice what I talk about and write about on a daily basis in my store and just like yeah you know this life that we have and he was like when I was younger I wanted to be a musician and I played with God smack which is one of the bands and and the mighty mighty ball stones which is a Boston based pop group or a rock group and he's like I played with them before they were stars and I was going to do this and he's like my father passed away around that time and then I had to become responsible and get a job and all of that and I said you know what you are doing what you're doing because that was meant to be and exactly this physical life that we have is a fraction is a it's a so in such a small fraction of our life as a soul I mean I know it feels real and it is real when we're here and you know you may live live 60 70 80 100 years to be in age and it seems so long sometimes but right it's really it's like it's less than a in in eternity you know yes it's less than a blink of the eye and it was very good that you brought up the fact that no matter what a person is doing right now whether they're in their ideal job or not they can be their authentic self and they can they can follow their passion and whatever they're doing like you said in the store you share who you are with your customers so whatever you're whatever you're doing in life in life you can share what you believe share yourself with another person and that can inspire that person I can't believe the time always goes by so quickly yeah the hour is just about up and I would like to mention that we I have next week Barbara Mark Hubbard is our guest and she will be talking about conscious evolution she is the founder of the foundation for conscious evolution and I'm so much looking forward to her and thank you so much for fun I I will appreciate you being with us tonight and you have a good evening thank you again okay thank you good night and thank you to all the listeners okay good night have a good night