Cultivating Psychokinesis, Part Two: The Energy of the Group, with Joseph Gallenberger #GJWMotivatio

Thinking Allowed Conversations on the leading edge of knowledge and discovery, with psychologist Jeffrey Mishlove. Hello and welcome. I'm Jeffrey Mishlove. This is part two of our three-part series on cultivating psychokinesis. With me is Dr. Joe Gallenberger, a clinical psychologist, author of Inner Vegas, Creating Miracles, Abundance and Health, and also Liquid Luck, the Good Fortune Handbook, as well as a number of CDs with meditation exercises on them. Joe is a senior trainer at the Monroe Institute near Charlottesville, Virginia. Welcome again, Joe. Thanks. Thanks for having me back. It's a pleasure to be with you. In part one of our three-part series, we talked a lot about your personal journey as a person who had experienced out-of-body experiences and then began to cultivate psychokinesis and for about five years made regular trips to Las Vegas for the purpose of learning how, in effect, to control the dice. Yes. Dice and slot machines using psychokinesis out here. Psychokinesis is a playground, actually, to learn about psychokinesis. I think it's important to say you found the environment in Las Vegas high-energy, exciting. Yes. Needing to be balanced with grounding and quiet, but in smaller doses, very wonderful. I know some people, especially people of a spiritual bent, tend to think of Las Vegas as negative energy. I think you can get anything you want in Las Vegas, and it's intensified. If I were in a real bad mood, I might see the person who should have gone home a long time ago, but if I'm in my psychokinetic state, the neon is more beautiful. I see the love between people, the hope in people's eyes. I tend to be very positive so that people are smiling back at me and crews get to know me and all. Even last night, our waiter took a $140 bill and made it into $23 just because we get along well. For me, there's a lot of loving interactions out here, even with the bellmen and housekeeping. To use a vernacular, it seems as if your approach to cultivating psychokinesis is about getting high, not on drugs, but getting in touch with very high energy and low grounding at the same time, being still connected to the earth and being in the here and now, present moment, so it's not a fuzzy kind of high, but rather your consciousness is very sharp and you're articulate, and if it's going ideally, you're still in a very expanded state. A higher state of consciousness, an expanded state of awareness. During the time that you were cultivating your own psychokinesis, you were also an instructor at the Monroe Institute, which is an organization that has specialized in various techniques for putting people into specific altered states of consciousness. They have been researching something called HEMISYNC, using the audio signal, for over 40 years, and some independent universities have verified that when the brain is exposed to this, you get greater synchrony between the hemispheres and various brainwave states we might be looking for, like the meditative states are more prominent, and the thing I love, Jeff, about the Monroe Institute, there's no dogma. I was there when two Buddhist monks in their late 80s were there, and they came down mid-program and just said, you Americans with your technology, you're taking us people places that it took us decades to go, and they were very appreciative. So we see atheists, Republicans, Democrats, fundamental Christians, Buddhists, all kinds of people coming through, shamans, and they feel comfortable that they're not having to get their beliefs challenged and adopt some other belief system in order to participate, and that really appealed to me. So you were using some of these Monroe techniques when you came to Las Vegas. You would have audio tapes or CDs to help you enter into those specific states. Definitely, and they were very helpful. And you were accustomed to working with groups at the Monroe Institute. Yes. So the next stage, naturally, then, would be to bring groups here to Las Vegas. Mm-hmm. I thought that that would be, in much of the science literature and Psy research, like remote viewing, we might see that if 60 percent of the experimental team believe it is possible, the results would be about 60 percent. If you get 100 percent or close to it of belief, then you get better results. So initially, Laurie Monroe at that time was in charge of the Institute, Bob's daughter. And she said, Joe, I know you well enough that you'll be impeccable with this. She gave me the privilege of the folks that I had trained at Monroe Institute offering them the possibility to come out for an inner Vegas adventure, is what we call it. And so I knew those people already knew how to meditate, were used to intense group interaction, mastered states of consciousness, and were quite open-minded. And that's just the kind of people I wanted to have as students. So we started with that, an exclusive invitation to Monroe graduates. And now it's expanded to include anyone. But we do an individual interview on the phone because we're not interested in folks that are greedy or needy. Greedy in the sense that I want to make a killing, needy that I need to win to pay the house payment or I'll be kicked out of my house. Because we're using this for the purpose of greater learning. The psychokinesis is really our feedback training device. In other words, it's not about the money. No. The money, it's about the money only in PK being results driven. When you get a reward of money, I'll give you the example when we're at the table together. We get tables reserved just for us. If you can manage to feel at one with everybody else, out of your own ego, in touch with spirit, deeply grounded to the earth, feeling abundance and love in your heart, you usually get rewarded with money within seconds. If you go into greed-fear ego, you get punished by withdrawal of money. So much like teaching a dog to sit with treats, the money is a reinforcement. It's sort of instant karma. An instant reinforcement to learn a more enlightened way of living, really, I think. Well, it's very convenient, I suppose, that an enlightened way of living also seems to pay off financially. Yes. I think we can have win-win. I meet many, many good people on a spiritual quest. There's two things, often, that are not there when they're not doing well. If relationships aren't going well, if their health is poor, finances are poor. The biggest one is they're not grounded. They don't fully embody their bodies and fully want to be here on planet earth because it's a rough planet. The second is, when I say, how many of you are seekers of wisdom? All hands go up. I say, wouldn't you rather be a finder? It's a different energy. The psychokinesis area works with both energy and belief. Not only that I can bend a spoon or I can roll dice, but the underpinning beliefs in our culture, nothing good comes easy, no pain no gain, have to be cleared to really let you feel really comfortable moving into more of your potential. How do you address the no pain no gain meme? Pointing it out. If you feel that, then healing cannot be instant. We have specific meditation exercises we do where we use visualizations to get rid of that. One I like that a lot of people have fun with is we imagine being in a field and there's a pile of dead branches. Each branch represents the dead frozen energy in one of these beliefs like no pain no gain. Then we imagine a wood chipper and you hear that sound and you make it in meditation. That rrrrrrr as the branch goes through, converted back into mulch that you then fertilize your abundance tree with. It gives a very active and deep meditation way of transforming that Transforming that belief and softening it and then if you can get some evidence that oh this good came instantly So I guess and without pain New experience most people begin to log that and go okay I'm reframing my reality things can be easier than I thought This is very interesting to me Joe because in our first Interview you described especially toward the end of the interview how you would to work through a pretty severe depression had to Process the suicide of your own brother So these things were extremely painful for you And I'm under the impression that they actually took years to to work through Yeah, but when you're working with groups, you're basically saying that there are certain Visualization processes that you can use with people to get them through some very Serious emotional blocks. I'm assuming these people are going to come with issues comparable to your own perhaps And then it can be done much more quickly Yes, and and definitely psychotherapy Other things are very much needed in some situations but at least we can create a temporary suspension of The usual way the person's thinking about life and of themselves One woman came to the group and deep grief her daughter had died and she left smiling after three days And then I got a report a few weeks later. She had won thirty eight thousand in penny slots 5,000 at a time different places So she was able to begin to shift. She was at a place in her grief She could do that. Mm-hmm, you know if it would have been earlier in the process Maybe it would have been even more appropriate for her just to be home wearing black and crying. Mm-hmm, you know but particularly things that have been hanging around a while and And the person would feel I'm ready to let this go. Those things can be often released and In really nice ways. Mm-hmm if the energies are high Well, that's very heartening And one of the other things that really intrigued me about Your work with groups in Las Vegas is as opposed to the work you did by yourself In Las Vegas is learning how to work with the group energy. Yes, and and Jeff this is important I think a lot of us are getting our acts together as individuals pretty well. Mm-hmm But if you ever had 18 people try to order a pizza, you know, it's Bedlam I don't like anchovies and you don't like Mushrooms and that kind of thing and so to get a group coherence where Everybody has the same goal and they're out of ego and they're supporting its real team play if you will They're supporting the roller who's rolling. Mm-hmm why it's their turn. That's a challenge But I think it's a useful yoga to learn to get better Results in community meetings and other situations as well and So that's one of the delights for me is getting helping people take that step and see now Powerfully are as a group if they're coherent and intent and they are very good natured and well Then you also work with the idea of sending energy To say to the person who's rolling the dice. Yes, for example, so we have a Person stand either side like an arch an energy arch. Mm-hmm. Just think is seeing each other these two people and With deep love and respect and then the shooter walks into that between them and feels more stable Calmer space and then the rest of the table is sending energy almost like a healing circle seeing that shooter in their highest and finest In fact, they're not thinking any numbers. They're not trying to do Change the PK outcome. We leave that to the person with the dice. Mm-hmm and It tends to work very powerfully You know some people Kind of burst into tears and I'm feeling so much love Other folks will kind of lose their grounding take off much like in a massage a person just goes out But that arch is encouraging them to stay here and grounded and absorb all that energy coming to them Usually do well. I was fascinated by reading about how in some of the dice games in which the woman who's now your wife was a participant in in your workshops and she she started out being really, I guess self-conscious and Bit depressed unable to work well with the dice at all and eventually became quite excellent at it one of the ways that you assisted her was by placing the bet so that she didn't have to focus on the strategy of Betting she could simply focus on the rolling of the dice. Yeah, so we we use a team to help with that because PK from my point of view is an energy and an intent of the mind And it's involving getting out of our dominant left brain. Mm-hmm and Into both a whole brain state which then makes it easier to access the heart intelligence and the gut we're finding there's intelligence centers in the in the abdomen as well and so within that as If you're trying to decide what to bet and all these complicated rules in the game, that's very left brain Yeah And and so if we assist the person at least initially like learning the piano notes As they're kind of learning things by taking as much of the left brain tasks away from them as we can Again, there's a lot of action at a dice table They can just close their eyes One of their energy arch people can whisper to them the dice are ready when they're ready to pick up and roll And that helps a lot. So we've set up a training environment where we're Trying to make the impediments as easy to overcome as possible Because once the person feels that they can Much more easily lock that back in again Of all that's what you're wanting. Yeah, and knowing that you're with a supportive and safe group of people gives somebody the Comfort to actually close their eyes in the middle of a dice game in Las Vegas I imagine when you were by yourself, that wouldn't have been such an easy thing to do. Yes, it was it was really lonely at the beginning But I did cultivate like I said relationships even with the waitress Yeah, and I'd get to know how many kids she had and how they're doing and share pictures but when you'd be at the table, it was You know, I would I'd like to go to tables just myself and the crew but second best would be if there's other people there then where are you from and See if we could get a little feeling of community going But you you know closing the eyes probably would have been out not done So in other words while you were we're talking about the period before you began bringing groups to Las Vegas You began to try to cultivate a group feeling just amongst the people standing around the traps table Sure found that that was important again where there's even a book on the feng shui of PK man at the dice table that a conducive environment Is is a positive environment and that's not necessarily what's going on there You know human nature would be if you rolled and I lost money on you I might go darn and the next person know double darn we a few rolled and he didn't do so way we would cheer you and the next person and We keep the energy positive and might be person number four that takes off into we've had 90 minute rolls which are incredible statistically to get that and when that happens I gather even though I live in Las Vegas I don't gamble but I gather that when you've got a person who's hot Yes at craps and a lot of people gather around yes And the energy is generally everybody's excited and other people will bet Along with that person and make money because they see he's has a hot hand or she has a hot hand Yeah, so the challenge it's of Psychokinesis state is a little fragile at the beginning until you get into the zone. It's very similar to the zone in sports Mm-hmm once you're in the zone Two people could be smoking cigars across you know you and you'd say what cigar you wouldn't even you'd be in a zone but initially it's fragile and once you're winning well and Strangers are happy to you know and happiness goes up exponentially But that first ten minutes is the challenge of getting it going to a positive place And then then even strangers and a group usually support that and I gather from time to time you run into Either crew members at a casino or other gamblers who are deliberately trying to rattle you Very very rarely there's something called a don't better. They bet exact opposite They bet with the house so they're going to bet that you're going to lose They may be the ones that would be most active trying to quote mess with you There's good casinos Jeff and not so good And so there's been places which are closed now In Vegas or if you went in and you started winning they would start miss paying you slowing down your drink coming start Looking at you. Maybe even making faces as a dealer try to rattle you but a good house, which is most of them They celebrate winners. Yeah, because we're not again as we said in the first show definitely not out to kill him So we're betting very small amounts of money relative to Vegas and they film us You know the security cameras Yeah And they see that part of the casino Gathers more people and when we leave we're finished our session all bunch of people jump on Because the myth is that the tables hot rollers and so they're comfortable with what we do in a good house But Some places you would get hassled places we go you don't Now in the field of psychology, there are a lot of Superstitions that have been identified and fallacies that gamblers often tend to have How about with psychokinesis? I'm I'm sure there's a lot of folklore Yeah, and in fact What I think of is remote viewing Joseph McMonagle one of a remote bigger zero zero one Mm-hmm as he began they began to think well, you know, I need it quiet Then I need this then I need that and until you have to have Tuesday with the moon in a certain position Yeah, Joe is a classic. He has his favorite socks to wear for real Then he did blow that out and he wanted to do it, you know anytime anywhere. Mm-hmm. And so you do have to Work with that. But frankly if I have a losing session, I'll probably change my shirt and There's a lot of myth and in dice Like if you roll them off the table, it won't be good next when I ask Dealers what's true in superstition? They say the only thing is true is scared money loses Mm-hmm and and that's true in life if you're more afraid of rejection than finding your soulmate if you are more afraid of Joblessness and finding your ideal career. You're gonna have trouble and Definitely in psychokinesis the same thing if you're afraid of failure, it's going to be tough. Mm-hmm And so it's almost physics if you know desire is 80% and fear is 20% things will come to you quite well But if it's 60 40 and ain't happening or happen with glitches So we look at really reducing fear as low as possible and how? And you do that I guess by the various visualization exercise visualization meditation We use heart opening music because I think Fear clouds love and at the same time love is like Sun it dissipates the cloud of fear So it might even be something like the song the rose or you light up my life for you know, inspirational songs But to get people there, it's you know, you can show movies of kitty cats being born or whatever Most people will go into an open-hearted state, but they won't stay there very long So our challenge is to make that a continuous flow rather than oh gee I just saw a beautiful reunion and a family on Facebook or something and I feel really good for now, but now Ten minutes later. I don't know so working with the group Helps you to do that the yeah Support the group members can offer each other and and I gather that you mentioned earlier the aura But you've you've also alluded to the chakras and the subtle energy. Yes system. That's described in in many Eastern Traditions. Yes and Western esoteric traditions soon. So you're cognizant of that in the work. Yes. We're looking at energy You know if the group feels good with each other they have a strong root connection or chakra connection for example, if you go to the heart area of the heart chakra people might feel it as a dinner plate sized warmth or something and So the in that terms the chakra system being very open and flowing is very good for psychokinesis In my experience. I'm amazed actually Jeffrey that We get such good results in laboratory Experiments as we do because usually the subjects are fairly unmotivated Might be undergraduates looking for extra credit The lab studies often the task is kind of boring when you have to repeat it a hundred times Many things that are very antithetical To the Vegas crap table environment. So I have it easier than the scientists in the lab I think to I think it's fair to say that a lot of experimenters who engage in parapsychology research Have excellent experimental training their their scientific methodology is Usually in excess of what other academics are doing they're very rigorous in their work But they're not necessarily skilled in Cultivating sigh they're skilled in measuring it rather than cultivate often. It's interesting Psychologists as a group are less receptive. Yeah than other scientific disciplines so many of the researchers started in physics or in engineering, mm-hmm electrical engineering as well and and so They listen to people like me and whatever and they go Okay, so we'll have a pretty light turn on when my results is going the way they want and I'm saying, okay Pretty lights good, but it gets boring after 50 trials You know the slot machine paying you money now that can stay interesting longer not to mention the group energy Yes, and the group energy and dice because then people you know, you're you're helping everybody have more financial abundance They cheer you you're the king for the day as you're doing. Well, or the Queen so I Think that motivational set is very important. It reminds me of the work of a British researcher named Batcheldor who began replicating table levitations using psychokinesis by Replicating what he took to be 19th century spiritualism where they got together and sang and Told jokes and really had a good time of the seances in those days were not somber affairs Interesting. I didn't know that because the pictures in black and white always look like they're very serious Well Joseph Gallenberger, thank you once again for sharing this half hour with me. It's been a great pleasure. It flew by Jeff Yes, it did. I Really? Thank you for having me on and thank you for being with us Check your listings for part three of our three-part series on cultivating psychokinesis You