Congress Is Chasing a Dead UFO Program, Expert Warns

The way in which they're able to dart around the sky, it's because they're traveling in time, not just in space. That is philosopher Dr. Jason Reza Georgani on the Off the Record podcast, describing a training program he believes taught pilots to cope with time loss while flying gravity control craft. Jason believes many UFOs are human-built machines that move through time, and that time travel is the real reason the technology stays hidden. If he is right, the sudden jumps pilots report aren't speed, and the people controlling these craft have been out of government reach for decades. Hey Ufologists, I'm Christina Gomez, and this is your second UFO News Update. So Jason, who holds a PhD in philosophy from the Stony Brook University, built his time travel case around a visit to the home of Lynn Buchanan. Buchanan served in the Army Stargate remote viewing program from 1984 to 1992, a program that trained soldiers to try to gather information using the mind alone. Buchanan took a model off his shelf, a gyroscope with a saucer set into one of the rings, and then pulled it away before Jason could photograph it. He claimed he found it in a trash pile at an underground facility, where a defense contractor had brought him to remote view the guidance system of a craft that collided with an aircraft. The model came from a 1960s or 1970s program that trained pilots for time displacement. The gyroscope showed how much time shifts for each distance a craft travels. Buchanan has not publicly confirmed this detail, and the model has never been photographed. But Jason believes the physics might explain why. And the main reason it's being hidden is very legitimate. Namely, that if you develop the ability to engineer a local gravitational field, you are warping the fabric of space-time. And inherently, that means that you're involved in spatio-temporal manipulation, in other words, time travel. His point is that any craft able to control gravity would also bend time around it. He rejects the common view that this technology is hidden mainly to protect oil and energy profits. He sees these motives as real but secondary. Jason also names a year for when the legacy program was shut down, and it is far earlier than what most people assume, and we'll get into that very shortly. His newest warning is about efforts happening right now. There's an effort currently being made to reinvent some of these technologies in private sector companies associated with the U.S. government. So like to start the whole friggin process again. Let's have some new companies, you know, Amentum and this, that and the other thing. And we'll give them contracts, you know, that are approved by the Senate Intelligence Committee. And we'll try to reinvent the wheel. He thinks these new firms are getting contracts approved through the Senate Intelligence Committee, but he doubts they will be allowed to succeed. The reason, in his view, is the kind of people already holding this technology. According to Jason, former Marine Michael Herrera saw those people firsthand. Herrera has claimed that in 2009, during an earthquake relief in Indonesia, his six-man unit came upon a large craft being loaded with crates by armed men in unmarked gear, who held them at gunpoint and ordered them to leave. Herrera later gave his account to AARO, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, and to a Senate committee. Jason sees those armed men as part of the same private network, and he doesn't expect a group like that to let a new company hand this technology to the president. Do you think time displacement explains the sudden jumps pilots describe better than alien explanation does Jason describes three layers the U.S. government sits on top the deep black projects sit at the bottom and the legacy program sits in between that so-called legacy program was a layer that was created between the real deep black projects and the U.S. government, okay, so the U.S. government had compartmentalized programs that sort of like opened into this legacy layer, but the legacy layer itself was created to obfuscate the actual deep black projects and this is something that Grush has said the deeper you look into the legacy program hoping to find UFOs you find projects and programs that are much darker. Jason believes Bob Lazar was shown a museum of older craft and not an active project. So rivals like China and Russia would just think that the U.S. was struggling. And the year he gives for when the legacy program was shut down is in 1989. If he is correct, the program members of Congress have been searching for has been an empty shell for more than 35 years. Certainly by 1973, by like the end of Nixon's presidency, the whole thing was taken out of U.S. government control and put into the private sector, into defense industrial corporations and other associated technology companies. From everything I can tell, the legacy program layer was rolled up around 1989. By that timeline, no president since Nixon has had real authority over this technology. The background to this theory starts with Operation Paperclip, the post-war program that brought German scientists to the U.S. Jason claims it went further than the official record shows, reaching people considered too controversial even for Paperclip. And in the 1950s, these Nazis were working together with like-minded Americans to develop electro-gravitic craft. The essential breakthrough for that took place outside Prague in 1944 in the German Reich. And that was imported here, and there were programs to develop that through the 1950s. And at that point, those programs were being run by highly classified compartments of the U.S. government. Electrogravitic means a strong electric field to create a force that acts like gravity or works against it. Jason believes that if the public had time travel, people would try to undo personal losses or chase stock market gains. His deeper concern is that the past itself could be rewritten so a relative you remember could vanish from every record. You seem to vaguely have these memories, but no family member and no photograph can corroborate them, right? That's crazy making. Like, that will drive people insane. You can't tell people with the psychology that most people have today that this is how the world works, okay? Most people will lose their ----, all right? So you start to see, you know, why these technologies are occulted, because their implications are ontologically shocking and potentially ontologically destabilizing. The 1950s gravity research was real, But reporting from the war zone notes that none of those researchers ever showed a working anti-gravity device. Jason's 1973 and 1989 dates come from his own research, not released documents. And the Buchanan model rests on one memory of one visit. If this technology left government control by 1973, who do you think Congress should be questioning now? Let me know your thoughts in the comments. I'm Cristina Gomez, that's it for today I will see you again next time for another UFO News update Be safe and remember, keep your eyes on the skies