‘I DON’T BELIEVE A WORD HE SAYS!’ Watch Patrick Christys ERUPT at Andy Burnham | Off the Record EXTENDED

This is going to be a rather vile off-the-record... Hang on a second. Come on. I'll stand by this. I don't give a toss what you think. I don't give a toss. He's the bloody president! He's the president! Bugger you, Trump! The fact he hates it down here, I hate him down here! Right? Can we just have two minutes silence for the Daily Express? Carry on. Well, I instinctively don't believe a single word that anybody has ever said about anything. I don't want to go and f*** to Chile. For 28 years, I just sit here and have a pint. It says on there, you need more exercise. He said exercise, I've been walking for 28 years. What's happening there? Welcome to Off The Record. This is going to be a rather vile Off The Record. Yeah. Cool. Nobody, especially that bloke who left his son behind for 28 years, Yeah. Cool. wandered around the world. In order to make some crappy documentary, which will probably end up on Channel 5, right, at 10 o'clock at night and got about seven viewers. What about his son? Son was eight when he left him, right? He's now 36. When they asked the son, when they asked the son, he said, well, what do you think of that? He said, well, I'm still trying to work it all out. I'm not bloody surprised he's got kids himself. And the guy comes back as a hero. I read some piece in the Times in which he's done something great. Perhaps we should all bugger off for 28 years. Actually, good idea. Burnham, 28 years. Anyway, joining me, joining me. GB News presenter Patrick Christie, stunning story to tell later. On the downside, we have David Maddox, political editor of The Independent currently, and has been breaking all the big political stories of late. Much credit to you, David, and welcome to the team that will be here to destroy you personally in the next hour. Okay, for the full extended version of this fantastic podcast, including all the bits that the lawyers have cut out, no, seriously, it's going to be great, you need to go to gbnews.com slash membership. Right, let's start off. We're just going to have a quick wrap round with everybody's views on the Trump disaster. Absolutely deserves it. A corrupt, rather vile individual. Who I really said farewell to this Trump when he decided he has his own Twitter version called Truth Social. He was prepared and which he announces all his major ideas. I'm going to invade this. I'm going to bomb that. I'm going to take over Venezuela. He announces all that through this Truth Social. Therefore, it has a value. And the value is, oh, I'm going to do that. I should invest in Venezuela. I should actually do this. OK, what does he do? He decides that he is prepared to give a first look. If you're prepared to pay more money, he'll give a first look so that you have an advantage in the market. He's the bloody president. He's the president. He's supposed to represent everybody, not some bloody rather clever financiers who are going to make a fortune out of him. Bugger you, Trump. No wonder you get slung out. And by the way, whoever follows you on your side, they'll get slung out as well. You should apologize for all your corrupt behavior, making billions while sitting there allegedly acting on behalf of all of the people. An absolute shocker. That's that. Right. How much extra a month do you pay for Trump's advice? Yeah, exactly. Well, I'm paying for the reverse advice. How to lose money. So just quickly on the other side, I would say for Farage, there's a issue there for He should think about. What that has done for Trump and what it might be doing for his own party, could it be that when that question of the five million or the 72 million from those guys, the crypto guys, is that going to come back and haunt you? I suspect it is. So previously, it was easy for him to say, I'll take the five million. Nobody cares. Actually, people do care about that kind of stuff, right? I believe in reform on one side because I believe in secure borders. Much of the other stuff, I can't believe it. I am a half and half, right? I'm half Tory, half reform. And actually, I'd like to see reform. Clean up its act and act on behalf of everybody rather than individuals at the top. I am really serious about this, Nigel. It needs cleaning up. You may say I don't care. Actually, people like me, we do care. Right, Patrick, your view. OK, well, lots to go out there. Firstly, I really like the idea of President Trump. I like the idea of a bloke that doesn't take any nonsense, that... Kind of smashes the system, that drains the swamp, that has a kind of new, more streamlined way of doing things. Someone who is a bit brash, who is prepared to bully people actually to get what he wants on the world stage. This idea, I like. The reality, recently, has been something different. Big mistake with Iran. Again, I'm very happy that the Ayatollah was slotted. I would love to live in a world... Without Ayatollah, that would be fantastic for me. And I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. But the whole thing played out rather badly. Hilarious for me that the Americans are willing to vote blue, like this blue tidal wave, because their gas price has gone up to still probably below half of what it is for us in our country, right? That for them is a crisis. The cost of living and all of that, I mean, flipping heck, it shudders to think what... If we were all American, what we would be voting for over here because they don't seem to be able to tolerate or put up with anything, anything like the ---- that we will put up with. So there is that. Yes, in terms of Farage, look. Okay, I wouldn't put too much stock in this. I mean, at the end of the day, Labour activists went out and campaigned for Joe Biden, and then they went out and campaigned for Kamala Harris. Anyway, my point is, the left aligned themselves with that. You know, they've survived, haven't they? Now, Trump and Farage have had a friendship. Nigel will have a friendship with whoever comes next, I would imagine, in the Republicans. It wasn't just a friendship, though, was it? Right, David, David, go on. Yeah, it wasn't just a friendship. I've been with Nigel. I mean, we all know Nigel, but I've been with Nigel a while. I was at CPAC with him a couple of times in DC and you know they're not just friends you know they are close political allies. Perfectly entwined in one another. And actually, I think that, you know, everybody's mocking Nigel for that thing he did on GB News on the evening before the results were coming out. But I think in fairness to him, he was sticking by his mate and he was actually just standing up for his mate. But there's also... Can I ask you this then, David? Do you think that actually he will be damaged? Yes. That Farage will be damaged? Yeah, and for the very reasons you say, the problem with populism... I don't like the word populism, but let's just use it as a catch-all for a moment. On either side of the Atlantic, it's that it's, you know, personality cults. Reform is a personality cult. Without Nigel, reform is nothing, really. It's, you know, good as Robert Jenrick might be or Zia Yusuf. But, you know, without Nigel, it's nothing. And the whole MAGA thing is Donald Trump. Without the Donald, it's gone. And, you know, I was at the inauguration again with Nigel. You know, I was at that kind of pre-inauguration party. I remember being in Washington for the kind of sense of optimism and, you know, the real enthusiasm. Thousands and thousands of people flooding into the Capitol to celebrate it. And I suspect most of those people have been crushingly disappointed over the last two years. Again, for the whiff of corruption, or more of a whiff of corruption. You know, and then going on the foreign war when his whole pitch was no more foreign wars, you know. And that's what I was talking to Jerry Gunster, who's a friend of mine, close to Trump, close to Farage. And he said, most people in America can't even put Iran on the map, but they do know what their diesel prices are. Okay, well, that point, I've just been for a spell in South Carolina. Yeah. And what you don't get over here, what you don't understand, is we have state transport, right? We have buses, we have trains, we have coaches, okay? They don't exist. No. They simply don't exist. There are no trains. The only trains that come through coming down the eastern seaboard, right? The bus is, well, if you get close to Atlanta, you might be all right for a bus. But actually, if you want to travel, you want to travel any form of distance of any kind at all, I'm afraid you're going by car. My son's out at the moment. He's just coming back. He's been in D.C. and he's been helping the campaign in Pennsylvania. Trying to get between Scranton in Pennsylvania and D.C. is an absolute nightmare. I mean, it's just like, you know, you're right, because trains are virtually... When you say helping the campaign in Pennsylvania, is it what? Well, he was helping the now soon-to-be former congressman, Bresnavan. Right. Which side was he back in? Republican. Right. Right, OK, time to leave. Thanks very much. Hold on a minute. So your son is Sam? Yeah, of course. Nice. That's good. I like it. All right, okay, well. It was good because normally it's the other way, isn't it? It's like, yeah, my son, who's actually a border girl, who's now out there campaigning for the Democrats. I joined the centre-left paper at exactly the right time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, okay, so quick one then. If this was translated into 2028, Right. The Democrats will have a 13% victory, which would be beyond incredible the way American politics works. Your bet, what does 28 look like? Does it look like this? Or does it, do people say, actually, the Democrats are now running the House and the Senate. And oh my God, the diesel prices are exactly the same, even more. And look, there's loads of things that can happen, isn't there? But go on, just a quick, which way do you think it will go? Probably Democrat, but not by a huge margin, would be my feeling. I don't think a Democrat will win. I think the Republicans will find somebody else. It'll be either Rubio or DeSantis. It won't be Vance, you mean. Vance is over. It won't be Vance. So how does that work as Vance tries to put a bigger and bigger distance between himself and Trump, right? And can the president fire the vice president? Yes, sir. Uh... He could. But there's a chance. I mean, let's look at this. Democrats control the House and the Senate by big majorities. They're going to go for impeachment almost certainly. Are they? They are, yeah. They are. They are. Because they're kind of mad over there, you know. So it's just in their mind now. Can they sack? Could Trump wake up one day and say, I didn't like what you said there. That isn't my policy. You're fired. Can they do that? Can he do that? I mean, I'm not sure, but I don't think so. But, I mean, he's got the ultimate power of executive order. Well, he can fire his vice president. Can he? He can, yeah. I think he can. Right, and I could see that happening. Spiro Agnew was fired by Nixon before Nixon got impeached. So, it's... It's all maybe... Okay, right. Quick, finally. So, Democrats not to win in 28. I would still lean towards a Republican. Would you really? Fantastic. I hope he's right. Yeah. But I don't know, yeah, it'd be a close... If they don't put a complete lunatic up, then the Democrats have got a chance. But if you end up with someone like AOC or whatever, good grief, I mean, at some point, they're going to say something so mental that surely even the Americans are going to go, that's going to be Gavin Newsom, isn't it? Yeah, OK, fine. All right. OK, fine. So my bet is that the issue is that we are now in a world run by our phones and everything. And actually, everybody wants to kick the cat. But none of us are rich enough. None of us have got big enough houses. None of us have got great, secure jobs. Actually, I'll tell you what. It's the prime minister's fault. It's the president's fault. It's the dictator's fault. Guy over there's fault. It's somebody else's fault. We're going to chuck them out two minutes later. Voters regret, who voted for this bloke? Who voted for this woman? And I think this is the problem for democracy now, that whoever's in for a certain while. And on that basis, by the way, my prediction, Burnham takes a terrible kicking, a terrible kicking in 29, which will be one of the great, great joys of my life. But actually, I think he takes less of a kicking in 27. Right, he has said specifically on ITV, I saw the thing, he said no election in 27. Do you not believe that? Nobody believes it. Oh, right. What about you, Patrick? Well, I instinctively don't believe a single word that Andy Burnham has ever said about anything. Can I just point you to his track record on various different things? There's this speech that he did in the House of Commons. In 2016, coming out and going, free movement of people has been a disaster for places like mine in Manchester. We need to move on from this dangerous idea. We'll bring it back in, you know, a few years later. Free movement! Hey, come on! He can't stick around until 29 because he's just given an election manifesto for his... Conference speech, you can't have that hanging around your neck. They've just done a budget, which is a budget you do before an election. So, you know, I think May 27th, if it's not May 27th, then probably he's just going to hold on and then you'll be right. I think he will get kicking in 29th. Oh, right. Yeah, good point, though. Good point. Right, OK, quickly, my thing that irritates me at the moment. is why are we wandering around, why are all our major establishment figures, the Prime Minister and the King and the Queen, all wandering around the Caribbean, right? It's not even the sunniest time of the year. I'm going there over Christmas, as you might expect, you know, when there are people like me out there. And therefore, I don't have to worry too much about it. Lobster season. Lobster season. Which island are you going to? I'm not going to any of them. I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat and I'm not going to any of them on the basis that I don't really interested in salt salination plants. Right. And I do know what banana looks like. So why on earth do I need to go to any of these islands? Right. They are being subsidized by people like me. And yet I don't get any credit for it anyway. So I'm not getting I'm not getting off the boat. That's as simple as that. I'm there to soak up the the sunshine. And that's it. So anyway, we send out all these people out to these clapped out islands. Right. And what are they and what do they want anyway? So so I now learn. I now learn that 40 million quid of our money, I learned this via the Telegraph, denied, by the way, by Miliband, who is our current foreign secretary. I have not. So. Anyway, the Telegraph says, and everybody has picked it up, that 40 million quid of our money is to go in some kind of energy-related help to the Caribbean islands. I don't want to give them 40 pence. Why? Why are we giving it to them? For something that happened 100 years ago? Does it go? Okay. There's lots of things that happen. On that basis, why aren't we going to North Germany or Southern Denmark? And asking for reparation for the fact that they came over the hill to 1,000, 1,500 years ago and invaded our lands, right? It's just ridiculous. Life moves on all the time. Things change. I don't want to give them 40 million quid. I don't want to give them 40 pence. And actually, we should just shut it down and say that is the end of that. So the thing with the Burnham-type character, he has within his DNA This thing where is, I'm very strong about this. I'm very strong. Oh, I'm not strong about that. Why? Because over there, there is one person who might vote for me. And therefore, I'm going to change my policy. OK? And I'm sure there are members of the Caribbean community in the UK doing good work over here, working damn hard, right? Do they want their taxes going back over there? Well, if they do, why don't they do something which actually Patrick has shown the way to do it? Get yourself a TV show. I've just announced I'm raising money for people over there. Do it individually. Don't collectively tax me. I don't want my money going there. I was in the Royal Surrey the other day, right? The place was a bloody riot. They could do with that 40 million quid. They could do with 4 million quid, right? When you walk in through the, this is in Guildford. Fashionable Guildford. Were you walking through the front doors at Royal Surrey Hospital? You think you are involved in some kind of massive riot of which you haven't been invited. Okay? The only thing that's doing well in that hospital is the Costa Coffee franchise, which is absolutely heaving, right? I go to an A&E. There's 50 people in the A&E. There's one young lad standing up there with a drip, a drip, right? On there like that. He's just standing there. I mean, can this be right? So my point is, sorry about drifting away, £40 million, we can all do with £40 million. Quick, Patrick, you have a quick summary. So the government, albeit under Keir Starmer, asked our forces to make around £30 million worth of cuts to their training exercises and a cost-cutting effort. And then seemingly now we've found £40 million pretty easily and pretty quickly for the Caribbean, which basically are reparations. They might not be calling it out, but they are. It's come literally amid the backdrop of us being asked for reparations, us apologising for the slave trade, and then giving them the money. So, I mean, I would say that is... Ed Miliband, as well, in his infinite wisdom, you know, he's now... This tells you a huge amount about Ed Miliband's psychology. He's trying to claim this isn't costing the taxpayer a penny. But it is because it's all our money. He doesn't seem to understand that he's dealing with our money. And it doesn't matter whether you move it from your foreign aid budget or move it. It's still our money and it's going over there. So it is costing us this. He also released a video saying, well, we don't want to give you trillions of dollars worth of reparations, but we are going to do these infrastructure projects, green projects. Which schools or whatever else he said, which is this is for. So again, really disingenuous from him. I just resent the idea that now whenever our king leaves the country. He just, he's apologising for something. Or he's got to apologise for something. Or he's asked to apologise for something. This is the thing that at some point we have to draw a line in the sand here and go, you know, our king is not all, you know, future, what, king or queen or whatever. It's not just a device to be sent around the world to be constantly on the back foot to say sorry. I find it humiliating. I'd rather he never left Buckingham Palace if that's the case. I don't want our image on the world stage to almost constantly be, well, he should be saying sorry for that. Perhaps he should change his name. King Sorry the first. Yeah, I'm so sorry. Just just tattoo it on his forehead. Sorry. Sorry. Reverse words at once. Forehead. Right, David. Well, your view on reparation. I mean, it... So we shouldn't whitewash the bad things we did in whitewash whitewash. Whitewash. It didn't whitewash. Yeah. But on the other hand, we should also celebrate the good things we did. So yes, we did run a pretty bad slave operation for quite some time but we then became the first world power international power to ban it and to literally stop the rest of the world from doing it we should maybe focus more on the fact that slavery is still going on today and dealing with the Today issues rather than, you know, I mean, parts of Africa and things like that, rather than, you know, navel gazing about the past, frankly, I don't think, I mean, honestly, I think Chanting it a bit, asking for reparations, because, frankly, we don't have the money. Well, why don't we just say, if you ask for it one more time, we're not going to allow you over. We're simply saying, if any of your politicians, one more time, put a formal application. It's not like we haven't put money into this. I mean, you know, 40 million may be related to reparations or not, but we've put... Aid into these islands, you know, over many years and a decent amount of our GDP on it. So, you know, it's not like Britain has been a, you know, has been kind of shy on these issues. So I don't think, I mean, I'm not. I found out as a result of this trip, apparently Guyana is the fastest growing economy in the world. Because of the oil. Right. David, what's pleasing you or displeasing you right now? Well, I have to say that it's just interesting how quickly the tensions within this new government have come to the surface. You know, we saw them aplenty when Keir Starmer was trying to run the country. Not very well. And despite all the kind of eyelashes and black t-shirts and all the rest of it, It seems that it's not an entirely happy ship in Team Burnham, you know, and this week we just saw it in front of our eyes because Shabana Mahmood had to make a fairly humiliating climb down on their immigration plans and is, you know, basically having to hand out way more visas than she wanted to and, you know, mainly for social care, social workers and stuff like that. And it's... Can I ask you something about that? The thing I didn't understand, perhaps you'll be able to help me, is that if you got a visa in order to be a care worker, And then for whatever reason, you are no longer a care worker. The visa is not withdrawn. No, exactly. You can either seek work elsewhere or not seek work at all and presumably receive benefits. Is that right? Yes. Oh, right. Yes. And she wants to put an end to that. Anyway, Angela Rayner and others in the Cabinet have basically rounded on her. And forced her into this climb down. Now, you could argue that the new policies, the sensible one and the fair one, but you can't. She can't unsay what she said a year ago. And you can see that they are beginning to tie themselves in the sort of knots that the Tories tied themselves in when they were trying to deal with this issue very badly as well. Can I ask you something? You're an expert in this area. She's Blue Labour, OK? Yes. So she is uniquely on the right. But she's a little island in the Cabinet. That's what I was going to ask. Yeah. In that cabinet, is she isolated? I think she's isolated. So she's not going to last, is she? No, I don't think so. Because remember, she quit under Corbyn, didn't she? Yeah, exactly. I don't think she's going to last. I think she's the most endangered one. I mean, because most of them are on the left, on the, you know, what we call the soft left. And it wasn't just Angela Rayner. It was obviously the new Energy Secretary, Ed Miliband, all these people. Uh, and. And Burnham is much more inclined. To the soft left at the moment, because that's where the real power is within Labour. It's not. That's where they think the voters are, don't they? They think the voters are there. Exactly. And of course, you know, we talked about it earlier, Reform are going south, a bit like Donald Trump did in America. So when you don't have that threat anymore, and your so-called red wall seats in the north of England and Midlands are suddenly kind of looking a little bit safer. Then the pressure to be more hardline on immigration kind of falls away. And here we are. That's a very good point. I saw the other day, throwaway line, two paragraphs. I think it was in the Times. I might have read it online in the Times. Over the previous two days, 1,000 migrants had come into the country. It's not even a story, not even a story, but a thousand, right? I don't know. It could have been elsewhere. It certainly wouldn't have been on the major networks, right? It's got to the point where GB News, it's not a story for them either. Let's be honest about it. And I'm thinking to myself, well, who actually, we have a prime minister who doesn't speak for it. We have a media that are so inured to it. Yeah. And yet they carry on coming in, and we have to rely on a former French prime minister to tell me, I didn't know this, right? Tell me that three quarters of everybody who comes over on a boat immediately gets some kind of staying here status, right? Did you know that? Did you know the number was three quarters? I did. I actually think it's probably higher than that. Did you know that? Oh, yeah. Did you know that? Yeah, I thought it was near a 90%. Yeah, we've only, since the start, since the first small boat came across the channel, I think it's only 4.6% of small boat arrivals have ever been deported. Yeah. It's nuts. You've got, and it's also, yes, obviously it's a tragedy when people die in the channel. I'm not diminishing that. But broadly speaking, it is actually quite a safe mode of travel as well. Yeah. Yeah, it's not, it's not as everyone thinks, oh, this horrific, dangerous journey. You go and see it. These boats are actually, for the most part, pretty sturdy. See what you're saying? The French are right there. They're right on it. You're flanked by these French vessels. Sometimes they even lob a chopper up in the air for you. Then you get out to the British waterside. Then you're on the border force boat. It's not so weird. Okay, so why is it? Okay, David, you're a political editor. Why is it I don't hear this discussion? But from the people that have been voted into power, I don't hear I don't hear the prime minister say one single word. Home secretary is forced to say it. And immediately she backs down. Nobody in the cabinet says anything. I don't hear any MP ever say anything. It's just not a subject that Labour wants to touch. And the only reason I wanted to touch, as I said, is because of a threat from reform. Now, reformer. becoming you know rapidly becoming irrelevant then they're kind of right well we'll just go back to the default position we're actually quite in favor of it and being kind of nice to people coming over on small boats and people coming over who want to migrate here normally so that's the that's that's the issue and actually that's the the great problem with what has happened with Farage and reform is that you know they were the ones keeping The Tories and Labour, honest, on these subjects. But they've screwed it up so badly themselves that now those kind of two big parties can move away. Do you know what? I feel very uneasy about reform at the moment. Not about this, that or the other. I feel very uneasy. I don't like every time I see the word reform. I see it associated with some councillor. Facing multiple rate charges or some terrible aspect of life, right? And so I come back to this scrutiny aspect of candidates. Honestly, Nigel. You've got to get to grip on who is standing in the name of your party. I can't believe that many women are saying to themselves, I must remember to vote reform. They seem to be good people. You know, who is saying that? I genuinely feel that this is all right. It may only be one or two percent who feel like I do. But, you know, I am half Tory, half reform. And the one the half that wants me. them to come in for secure borders and the like also feels uncomfortable about some of the people that emerge. Patrick, you have been a big supporter, right? Oh, well, of course I've been a big supporter. I've been supportive of a lot of the things that they've said as policies and all of that over the course of the years. Yeah, I instinctively like... Do you feel uncomfortable about some of the publicity? I instinctively like a more maverick figure in British politics. I think the Tories catastrophically let the country down. That's not to say they can't ever be forgiven. I'm just instinctively not a fan of of Labour and that's not going to change, right? So, you know, then what he left we reform but um, yeah, what what well, yeah, I mean, it's they're not going through a good moment I feel For me personally, I do think that there quite clearly is an orchestrated attempt by various different left-wing aspects of the media to focus... Come on. Hang on a second. Come on. Okay, I'll stand by this. I don't give a toss what you two think about this. I don't give a toss. They went on a giant fishing expedition for a year into Reform HQ. Do it to the Greens. Do it at mosques. Go around and do all of that. No, you won't do it, will you? They just want to go in and reform. Why is that? No, yes, they found stuff. And I'm not saying that... The Greens did it to themselves. I mean, they've gone south as well. I'm going to second you. Go around the BBC. I bet most of them are voting Green. I bet most of them are voting Green. That is a good point. Patrick makes a good point there. But if you move aside from that and just take some of the stuff that people, what they're being caught on. If they want to be, you know, the government, the party of government, then they have to be used to the scrutiny and they have to be secure on themselves and they have to clean up their act. Exactly as you say. That's why, you know, they set themselves up. As a party of government, they were leading the polls by 10 points at one point, you know. And so, OK, well, we'll take a look at you. And what we've seen is not very good. So it's not, they've done it to themselves. What's pleased you or irritated you over the last week? I think this is one of the most insane stories I've seen in recent times. So there's a bloke who... Basically decided that he didn't like his life anymore, it seems. Didn't particularly feel the need to be with his mother or son. And so he decided to go, I think it was initially to Chile. And then he said, I'm going to walk back from here. And everyone's like, okay, you're going to be gone quite a long time. 28 years he's been gone. So he arrives back in Hull, I think it is, isn't it? It is. And he's given this hero as well, welcome home, Carl. Oh, his mum, this frail old mum. Yeah. He's like, oh, he only went out for a walk 28 years ago. His kid, who now I think has got... A kid of his own. 36 he is. With a child of his own. With a child of his own. So this guy has become not only content with being an absent father and son, also became an absent grandfather. Also, they broke it down. You know, he's walked an average of four miles a day. I'd walk that to the pub. He walks an average of four miles a day for 28 years. That's not... He's not trying to get home, is he? He's not. Well, if you lived in Hull, you wouldn't want to come home. But then why was he greeted as this returning hero? Do you know what I mean? They're not f***ing bunting out for the guy. They've got all these banners out for him. It's, why are we celebrating this guy? Look, I totally buy that. I listened to some interview with some rather strange chap on Five Live. Okay, I apologise. I apologise in return for paying my 185 quid. I occasionally, by the way, take this from the BBC, being forced to pay 185. And the guy was saying, oh, you're a hero and you're the rest of it. Why don't we look at, right, so I happen to know somebody who owns some properties in Hull, right? In the time which he's been away, right, it's not 28 years, but they have seen the price of what they paid 120 grand for fall to 75 grand, and they can't give it away, right? So, all right, perhaps nobody wants to drop a tear for a landlord, but why, why? Why are we in favour of these people who do these things? I don't know. I mean, this morning, I'm in bed. The alarm goes off. My son is getting ready for nursery, screaming the place down. Yeah, I get woken up by him calling in my face. When you can ship them off to America, it's great. Brilliant, yeah, yeah. No, but the point is, I get my first thing I saw this morning was my little son's face there as he's going... And I love that. I don't want to go and... to Chile for 28 years. I don't want that. There will be people who want you to go. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I want to be part of his life, you know. And also, you know, anyway, I just find it. Do you know what? I wonder whether if you ask my children whether I had legged it for 28 years or not, I think there would be quite a debate about that. Have you got any kids? How many kids have you got? Just the one. Just the one. Yeah. How is the longest period that you've been away from your family? Probably... No more, probably maybe a week or two. Right, okay. And do you think they benefited from that? Well, I mean, you know, they were certainly cheerful when they came back. Nice, nice. But there's no way this Carl guy, he's come back to his country, there's no money, there's no jobs, Yeah. It's. it's miserable, he can't buy a house because of a stamp duty and all the rest of it. Does he fancy going back to Chile, do you think? Yeah. It must be like, oh, my God, what have I come back to? Well, yeah. Come back to Hull. Yeah. Can you imagine? I like Hull. It was a European capital of culture, wasn't it? Yeah. Yes, but that is always a sign that it's completely knackered, isn't it? And it needs the money. The first sign you get of how knackered is your town is when some idiot socialist says, I tell you what, you have become the culture capital of the UK for a year. And you think to yourself, my God, is it that bad? Is it? That is true. And suddenly you get chrysanthemums in boxes, right, which are then, by the way, being pulled out and thrown at everybody. Hull is worse for being the capital of culture, right? It would have been a lot better if they'd invested the money into Hull. His boss went to Hull University. Hull Hospital. Yeah, my dad went to Hull University. He's there at university, which previously was Hull Technical College, and before that was Hull Primary. The deputy head of my school was always trying to get people to go to Hull University. Oh, why? I don't know. I think he must have had some sort of deal going on. But he always used to do a big pitch for Hull University. He's not even got his supposed recommended amount of steps in. The guy walks around, walks across so many countries, and he has not hit his daily recommended steps allowance. What do you mean? He hasn't done it. He's out for a while. You need to move more. You need to move more. He hasn't. Well that's correct. Another call from son. Nah. You've got to just sit here and have a pint. It says on there you need more exercise. He said exercise I've been walking for 28 years. Sky News took it live. They took the reunion of his mum. And they're treating it like... I just couldn't get my head around it. It's not a news day. They're treating it like, oh, look at this. His mum's crying a frail little hand to the head. She's crying into his arms. So why haven't you been looking after her? Yeah, exactly. By the way, she didn't look too good, did she? She didn't look in great shape, did she? No, but she's very old. Well, she was also probably upset. This reunion is being played out. Actually, it was on Sky, so nobody would have watched it anyway, would they? So this would be the smallest audience in Britain, wouldn't it? Sky is not doing well. We just need better heroes. Okay, fine. We've had enough of that. Right, I want to cheer everybody up. By not giving my views about Rory Campbell, the son of Alastair Campbell, which I'll leave for a second or so while I calm down, because clearly everybody's getting pumped up. I'm going to go over some very good news from Patrick Christie, and I'd like you to explain, Patrick, first of all, why you started what you did. Have you been astonished? What else is going on? This is my headline maker of the week. It's the charity Help for Homeless Veterans. It's in the run-up to Remembrance Sunday and then Remembrance Day next week. I've always wanted to try and do something to try and help out with homeless veterans. The styles aligned. They're based in Rotherham. I've seen Rotherham in the news for a nice reason. They're based all around Yorkshire, really, actually. What we thought we'd try and do is we'd buy homeless veterans houses. So that they've got somewhere to live. It's permanent. They don't just kind of have to get given a few quid and maybe spend a couple of nights in a hotel before they're back out on the street again, or front sofas, or living in the cars, or a tent in the woods, all of that stuff. This is actually houses for homeless veterans. And so, set up the fundraiser. We set ourselves what I thought was, to be honest, was a possibly unobtainable target of 100 grand. We did that within 20 minutes. So, yeah, anyway, right. So we did that within 20 minutes. We'd raised 100 grand. So I was like, okay, wow, where's this going to end? So they're going to do, they want them in different towns. So rather than just got one, they want one in Barnsley, they want one in Doncaster, and they're going to try and have all of these bases. But I think it's, look, I think it's important that they don't feel the pressure. It's an astonishing amount of money. They're rushing and buy the wrong home because they feel like they've got to spend it. I think everyone gets it. Got to find the right place, which I'm sure they will. But I think it does show the strength of feeling out there, clearly. How do you feel that the family involving Henry Nomack have been spectacular? They are clever people who've identified... Dignified people as well. Yeah, dignified people. And also... circumventing the rather difficult area of the domestic aspects of the lives with the wife and the ex-wife and that kind of stuff. I thought that was spectacular by everybody. So how do you think How do you think the police or society is emerging in all this? It looks, from my perspective on the outside, it looks really shocking by the cops. I mean, it's dreadful. I mean, there's just no way around it. I mean, I don't think any of us will forget listening to the recording of the policeman talking to Henry Nomack in his final minutes. And just... Telling you, I don't think you have been stabbed, mate. And as he was dying. But what about the issue that the father, that the dad made, which I thought was that when we started investigating, we were told one thing. Yeah. And then as we went a bit lower, we were told something else. And then we were told something else. Yeah. And then we were told. Actually, the truth. Yeah. Do you know what worries me? Yeah. Is this happened to this family? Yeah. Which has a spotlight on it. What about every other family? And in fairness to this Labour government, that's why they've just changed the law, you know, with the Hillsborough law and all the rest of it, is because of institutions regularly and... Just by default, trying to cover up their mistakes, hospitals, police, public institutions. It's not a kind of accident, it's the norm, it's what they do to try and manage. Damage, damage limitation. And, yeah, this particular case has really blown that sort of culture open. I mean, what we can only hope is that actually it does change things. I mean, I'm always sceptical, unfortunately, but we will because you just see it repeated over and over again. And then... And then we haven't even got on to the fact that they were willing to listen to the murderer. Essentially, on race issues before the victim. I don't entirely blame the people, the police officers who were there. Because, you know, this is a question of leadership. It's not, you know, the people on the ground are kind of implementing what they're told to do. And I think, you know, because there's a whole load of... This is about trying to name the police officers and stuff like that, which I think it's the wrong way to look at it, because essentially they are implementing the policies which have been passed down to them. It's what the leadership's like. And actually, in our police forces, we see this all the time. You know, we've met with Hampshire Police. I have a long history with Hampshire Police. One of my old jobs was down in Portsmouth, you know. Sorry, it's... Yeah, there's been issues there for many, many years. What, working for a news agency or working for... No, no, for the news, the Portsmouth News. And, you know, there have been longstanding issues. And... Of deceit, is that right? Yeah, but the poor leadership of our public institutions, you know, we see it in the Lucy Letby case as well, the stuff that was kind of... Revealed about the way that hospital trust was run. You see it over and over again. And we've got a problem of poor leadership, poor policies. And then, you know, it's the guys who find themselves implementing it and then make the horrendous mistake as a result to get it in the neck when actually we should be looking at the bosses. I tip my hat to the Novak family. I tip my hat actually to ITV. For the manner in which they've done it and put it on air. What's your fish and chip paper, Patrick? Okay, well, this week we've had, partly by this man opposite me, no offence to the quality of your journalism, I'm merely referring to the topic here, of the Brexit stuff that has just re-emerged, come back like herpes. You just can't get rid of the whole Brexit discussion. It's just unbelievable. I hope you haven't got any personal knowledge. No, no, no, I've read it in a book somewhere. So look, this is... We've had, this week, we've had, apparently, apparently, Andy Burnham appears to have rolled over and let his belly be tickled by all and sundry across the continent, including the Czech leader, who is on film in a beautiful bit of footage, but he's asked, do you want Britain to rejoin the EU? And he goes, yeah, sure, we need the money. Isn't that great? So apparently, apparently, we are agreeing to, is it full food alignment? Okay, right. And drink. And drink alignment. It's actually quite sensible. Okay, but the bits where it really loses me is, we are apparently signing up to the EU Development Fund, which means that we are going to be sending, presumably millions of pounds, We're going back, baby. to build a motorway bridge in Lithuania. So it's basically like, it's basically foreign aid for the EU. Why are we doing all of this stuff? There's a couple of other bits in it as well. You'll be able to rattle it off. But I just looked at this and I was like, what are we doing here? And then it's, you're right, we're going back, aren't we? Okay, let me ask you this. Isn't this the case, working on my theory, that every time we have a vote, every time we have a vote, we vote the opposite way to the way we voted before. So, right, we go in. I bet my arse to London Bridge, we go in, right, in the next vote, okay? Yeah. Say 60-40 or 55-45. Nigel Farage is dead, but eight years later, somebody says, why are we sending all this money? Why are our bananas straight now? You know, why can't we have a sausage sandwich like we used to have? If somebody says that, they say, good idea, we'll have a vote, and boom, we'll be back out again. Is it true, David, seriously, that we allowed every single concession that the EU wanted? Do we know that? We don't know that. I don't think we did because that's why we're still getting held up on tuition stuff, tuition fees and things like that. But that's going to cost us an absolute fortune, that. That is not a throwaway line. No, no, no, I'm not. I mean, I'm just, but we didn't. We didn't agree to that. I mean, look, I just want to say that when I got the job at The Independent, there was a couple of hit pieces. They were short of people. A couple of hit pieces of me saying, why is Fleet Street's key Brexiteer, key Brexiteer, I love this, joining the most pro-EU paper, why have The Independent gone mad? I'm now running a... Europe, the way back campaign for the Independent. I just want to get my plug out there because, you know, I'm always on the winning side when it comes to Brexit. And, you know, anyway, it's... Shameless. Do you know what? That reminds me of the Groucho... That's the Groucho... I love it. This is the Groucho Marx story there, right? So I've got my principles, and if you don't like them, I've got others, right? There we are. Ladies and gentlemen, David Groucho Marx. He gets to go and celebrate tonight. Anyway, you know... He's in work, though. He's in work and at his age. Yeah. And with the way he looks. Well, exactly, exactly. You know. So, you know, I mean, I have to say that... I think Brexit's been a bit disappointing, partly because I think it could have been a great success, but the leaders we had ensured that it couldn't be. And it's been disappointing. But the momentum is to go back. And I think you're right. I think we will end up going back. And Andy Burnham clearly wants to put that on Labour's next manifesto. To renegotiate our way back. Guarantee himself in work in Europe in 2029. To renegotiate our way back. And that's what we're building towards. I think there are lots of sensible reasons for. There are actually some good reasons against. Not least what we're not aligning with, which is things like AI and tech stuff, which we are. out-competing the EU on and most of the growing industries and that's going to be I actually think that's going to be the much bigger issue than even things like euro or Schengen area and all that sort of business. Just just for sorry finally on this I know we're pressed for time but but this reminds me of something there was a series of headlines it was in the Telegraph I think it was on Wednesday. And it was back to back to back to back, four on their website. And it was Burnham to sign us up to the European Court of Justice. Then it was Britain to pay money for poor EU countries. Then it was Burnham drafting apology for slavery. And then it was Burnham gives 40 million to the Caribbean. I'm sorry for slavery. Have we thought about like doing anything for like me or us or anyone we know yeah you know what I mean we're just we're just dishing it out around the world. We've got a hundred quid off our energy bill. Oh brilliant. Which is it's great I mean I found out randomly I'm in their council tax band C which uh I mean because it was valued like you know a million years ago when they first I mean, it's never been revalued. And so I get my 100 quid. Thank you very much, Andy and John. Well, fortunately, I live in houses which won't be qualifying for it. By the way, can I just exclusively say I am delighted, right, the size of my house, right? Right. I'm sick and tired. I'm sorry. Right, okay. All right. in an unrepentant way Oh, no, I'm not going to feel sorry for the fact that I haven't got 100 quid. Do you know how far 100 quid goes in Weybridge? You can go down there and get spaghetti, right? Spaghetti, and you get no change out of 100 quid. Yeah, my wife said, should we go out to dinner on it? And we said, actually, the restaurant bill would be too much. Yeah, yeah. With the drink, the drinks bill. Right, David, your fish and chip paper. Yeah, so Andy Burnham, you know, I think this week's kind of proven to me why Labour were right to get rid of Keir Starmer and replace him with Andy Burnham, and more of the why. Because, you know. The guy's playing cricket out in the Caribbean. He's essentially on a big jolly, getting away with it. You know, we would have had a 'never hear Keir' whole thing if it had been Keir Starmer. Everybody's kind of accepted that Andy's out there. And he's, you know, goes and does some little publicity stunt playing cricket. Nice couple of shots. Tries to do a run. And, of course, falls Neil Kinnock style, flat on his face. Which is what happened to Neil Kinnock. But, you know, with Neil Kinnock, it completely... Ruined him. Ruined him. With Andy Burnham, everybody said, oh, it's our Andy. A bit of a laugh about it. He gets up, dusts himself off, and he's playing again. Okay, let me raise an argument against that, right? I absolutely object to big style that he has a plane that's going to take him to the Caribbean, right? Goes to Manchester because he happens to have spent the weekend at home to then fly him out. That cost, I don't, the cost is like $25,000, $50,000, whatever it is, right, on those things, right? Totally and completely bloody wrong, right? Does he think he has the right to spend 25,000 quid to accommodate his residential issues? The fact he hates it down here, I hate him down here, right? So, okay, all right, so he loses the South, right? I'd say he loses the South. Yeah, but that's mostly Tory and reform and Lib Dem anyway, so he doesn't care about the South. I mean, you know, what I object more, Actually, he is the first prime minister to go to a Commonwealth Heads of Government summit and refuse to take the press with him. And this is a growing pattern in the Burnham government. Actually, this is going to be a problem down the line because he is ducking scrutiny like no other prime minister has ever done before. And he has yet to have a proper press conference. He's had two fake press conferences, one of which... The journalists were told they could only ask on one subject. Okay, alright guys. Good stuff. Well, thank you very much indeed, Patrick. Thank you. It's been fantastic. Enjoyed it. Very nice to see you, man, for the first time. And hopefully not for the last time. And remember, big houses are good things.