CAM IS BACK In The Pod This Week & We Have A LOT To Talk About! (Podcast)

Hey, everyone out there. Thank you so much for tuning in to another Addicted Fishing Podcast. Got just me and Cam tonight in the studio. Jason's on the way. But have you been fishing much? Yeah. I have not, Ben. Yeah, that's all I have been doing, regrettably. Yeah, like Cam's, the first year in a long time, Cam skipped out on muzzleloader season. He had some really, like, cool bass stuff happening around the same time. And then on top of that, like, they gave us a wild coho retention in the river. And so it was kind of hard to be like, I'm going to take some time off and go. elk hunting when you're just a little bit busy you know anything worth doing is worth doing right yeah so it's kind of like i mean i could probably i could have probably shot up to camp for a couple days and did that it's like gosh i'm gonna kind of bank and hedge my bet on world war three oh excuse me i meant uh modern rifle elks which uh so funny that you say that because we you were asking me like are you still on elk and so i'm like when we're doing a couple pushes in these sections to alder patches and we're getting on hunting now guys sorry i know some of you guys love hunting but we're doing these little pushing this alder patch on saturday opening day of rifle it's like 2 p.m and i've been getting a bunch of deer on my trail cameras and so i we i'm just gonna push through the alder patch and be loud like i took a stick and i was like smashing stuff just trying to get deer to come out and i get to the very end of the alder patch and i'm like about to pop out into the opening and i hear and i'm like what the heck and i look up and a five point bull elk stands up literally i could have jumped on his back he stands up right in front of me and he looks back and he goes and he realizes what i am and he just freaking bolts out into the clear cut and i get on the radio i'm like colt colt there's a bull elk coming out into the clear cut you should blast him and i was joking obviously um but yeah and then he ran out into the clear cut stopped in the clear cut looked back yeah like so yeah we still we still have we still got them on cameras and like we went into one of the walk-in only areas and there was like tons of new fresh track all over the sand and they're playing so i think it's still a lot of potential but yeah before we uh dive too deep into this podcast because trey just reminded me today's podcast guys is brought to you by the sports shows is brought to you by the sports shows so how many of you guys out there if you're listening watching how many of you guys come to the shows drop a comment on the podcast drop some comments let us know if you come to the sports shows at all but this year guys i'm really really excited i think cam is too because we all agree as a as a team that we might have made the best movie we've ever made well i mean here's the thing we don't we haven't seen it yet but just knowing after doing seven eight ten whatever the hell the number is now of these things just kind of knowing what happened knowing what we got knowing how good Sean is with the edit it's going to be the best steelhead movie ever made period hard stop and it is and it's i we've we just did things and went places like i'm telling you it is going to be the attraction of the sports show sorry trey it's going to be just letting you know uh oh he knows it will be that's why he has a steelhead movie it will be the best movie the best event the best i'm telling you this is not the year to sleep on it no it's gonna be incredible and we'll have tickets and stuff launching guys Sometime in November, we're going to try to really promote and go hard at this thing for four months, three months, or however long we can. But come to the sports shows, not just for our movie, guys. Every day of the week, there's really cool stuff happening, lots of cool events, lots of seminars every day. Are you doing any seminars this year? Oh, yeah, I think so. I don't know. Do I have the schedule? I haven't seen anything. Cam will be doing some seminars. Usually, a few of the addicted guys are doing seminars at the shows, guys. So again, mark your calendars, Washington show, Portland show, central Oregon show. Come to them guys. Get on the website, get the dates. There's going to, I think they're doing some pre-sale tickets that are going to launch sometime in November. Is that correct? Trey? There'll be like, there may be like last year, I think they did a black Friday sale. Just try to pay attention early guys. Cause if you buy your tickets ahead of the show versus just walking in and getting them at the ticket counter, you can, there's some deals out there that you can take advantage of. So shout out to the shows. thanks for always supporting Addicted and we're happy to be partners with those guys and it's going to be an epic show season it's going to be i'm telling you get your damn movie tickets now yeah i'm just telling you right now don't mess around so now we can talk about fishing what people actually tune in for yeah yeah i mean it's been you've been so yeah how was the wild co thing was it epic out there it wasn't i would not call it epic ed was really good for hatchery co which was like ridiculous like i swear like the last three days i fished killed like eight fish a day i think i caught like one wild maybe every day it was like mainly hatchery fish which is really weird but the wilds are showing up later well that's what i'm assuming i'm hoping because like kind of with going with with what's going on in the weather because we were supposed to have this super wet warm fall and because of El Nino which is completely showing to be just dry the driest ever so i don't know where all that came from because El Nino's are supposed to be warmer and wetter and i read that article and read those articles for three months did you not read those two clip yeah warmer warmer wetter well warmer sure they got so they're half right anyways barely any precipitation remember i don't know if you remember but i think it was like three years ago it rained every day in october yeah that was probably a little more than that four years i remember that because that was one of the years that i finally started taking like pop off up on my home river and he's like god i love twitching yeah he never got this every it was probably a little bit longer than that because it's been it's funny because i i tell people when i'm doing like late coho trips and i'm like we we rarely really get to go like doing the twitching that we like to do because it don't rain in october i've said that for years like it's like we're going on here like four or five or it just it's global warming yeah yeah i mean i mean i mean it's supposed to be an ice age and then warming and now it's just climate change so yeah we're i mean what this is what i think you know how they always say now i'm gonna just go down a tinfoil hat oh boy conspiracy theory here we go but you know they say that like under the ice wall and under antarctica like there's like cities frozen and things from like thousands and thousands of years ago that's part of what i think is just happening in the world is just changing the world evolves well we somehow and the world changes a little ice age in like 1700 and then we had another one few years we had another one to thousands of years before that and we warmed up from that it sure as hell wasn't from my car yeah yeah you know i do think things are changing obviously like we're on we're on quite a streak and then this year is just definitely the epitome but i just love just you know it's kind of like with salmon forecasts and and things like that it's like oh the experts warmer weather weather oh yeah yeah it's like so that's a good spot on record got it that's a good spot to transition into because with the dry no rain comes a lot of no fish like you don't get as much fish movement at all and we see it a lot in all of our rivers and what i always find interesting is then the state comes in and then closes everything when they really don't know what's there right right so what happens is is is you know the state have this they have this term they call them paper fish and all these forecasts because just coincidentally today they're closing all the Willapa and all the Grays Harbor streams and that's pretty monumental that's probably 30 different streams that they're closing down as of october 24th due to no rain because those fish they're forecasted to come but the problem is they lock up in the lower river anglers can still catch them they can still find them they can get on them but because what the hatchery is used to seeing as far as escapement whether it's over a dam into a hatchery or whatever they're not seeing they're seeing zeros right now because the fish are just locking up well then they get afraid that the anglers are sitting there catching them and to their point there is probably some merit to that it can be like shooting fish in the barrel if you do the work if you find the right spot never mind the netting that they'll be doing still but regardless of all that let's just ignore that fact uh but it's the one thing the state you know they can control and it's the sportsman and it's the first it's always the first shoe to drop it's always the first thing to take a hit so yeah we're going to take the hit on that But it is also pretty monumental how little rain we have. It is crazy, but what I don't understand is why don't they just take all user groups off the rivers? Oh, well, come on. Well, you're asking... Because they can't? You're asking... I know, but is it like a legal thing? Like they're not allowed? Like they can't just shut the river down? I mean, I'm pretty sure they could, would, and should, but whether or not our co-managers and things like that want to have that happen is another story. Yeah. so that's something i've never understood with the netting like i'm not i'm not this anti-netting guy like i'm in the of the mindset of like if there's abundance let's net them like let's eat them let's do it if there's abundance right or if you're taking or do it right or if you're right if you're taking from it you should be putting it back exactly but what i've never understood especially in like our steelhead fisheries it's like we have all these depressed steelhead runs and then they just still net them and they don't and in some situations they don't put anything back i don't get that yeah i feel like any user group us included even on wild steelhead i.e broodstock programs like it's pretty obvious we need to be putting anything we're taking back and even if we are catching release we are taking a very small amount or not not a drop in the bucket compared to what a net does but at the same time like we need to be responsible users and we should be putting back what we're taking out yeah from that because or else these stocks depress and then we will we all know where that goes yeah every one of every one of you listening has had a favorite steelhead fishery that's gone by the wayside. They closed all the upper ones this year. Again, every person... They're closing Idaho, dude. They're closing Idaho for like the first time in like, I don't even know how long. Every person listening to this podcast, unless they've only been steelhead fishing for a year, has experienced the loss of a fishery that they used to participate in. 100%. So annoying. And it all can be fixed. But we're hiring 300 other employees at the department to do this and we're not funding hatcheries got it anyways so yeah stupid yeah we can talk all about that as we want but the reality is right now unfortunately no one can control the weather no one can control the rain however and what we saw today is there's a lot of fish still in like the big water there's still a lot of fish in Columbia um but it's closed right still open until October 31st it's open for just hatchery coho okay but kind of going back to my other point we weren't seeing this huge amount of a giant influx of wild coho which is hilarious because of course when you can keep them you can't catch them we'll go out to the ocean in July and see how many you'll throw back yeah like all of them so it is kind of crazy that like yeah that's the way it works out whatever but uh it is kind of funny that we got that season but i do i am just kind of hoping that what we were seeing and what we were catching because i fish i'm just gonna say it just fish below the mouth of the Cowlitz fish below that for a reason there's you know thousands and thousands and thousands of hatchery fish they're going to end up in that river so i don't generally like to fish above it not to mention too like i don't want to say what i wanted to say there but i like fishing a little closer to the ocean when you can yeah i mean you get fresher fish they got sea lice all over them I mean they're they're awesome for the clients to take home so there are still opportunities in like you said those lower stretches of the rivers the Columbia River where those fish are kind of like locking up a little bit but say like what one thing I think we don't talk about is what other opportunities you know because it is kind of depressing right like a lot of our fisheries are closing but then you know like one thing I've been doing a lot more is catch and release sturgeon fishing I did and and I see you going up and doing the fall bass fishing like a lot of people think oh it's winter and it's fall the bass don't eat it's like no this is like one of the best times to catch them so as much as as much as Nick and I went up there and tugged on coho and chinook today like we spent probably three quarters of the day checking out a whole bunch of new rock piles that I had never I got some new mapping for the Bonneville Pool and there was stuff on there that I didn't know existed until I started using this mapping and I found some absolute flipping juice today nice oh man yeah so we got you know we got some big tournaments coming up early I mean yeah like a lot of our season finals the Columbia River opens November 7th you start getting big dogs this time of year too yeah oh dude yeah we probably had 18 19 pounds today yeah I think we would have been fishing in the morning I mean it was also glass calm up there I got a sunburn today some giants have been coming out of those Idaho reservoirs too I saw a guy yesterday posting a nine and a half dude I'm like gosh yeah if I could get the stretch I want to go up to those northern Idaho, those things look fun dude I would do that with you, that'd be fun to go up there freaking, I'd love to just take three four days we just need to go for like a long weekend, just yeah I could be tempted to do that, but that also goes all the way through November and like I said we're kind of like buttoning up the end of our fishing season, we're still waiting for like our tributary coho and hopefully we get some rain that for me goes till December so I'm kind of still like, there are still you know if you can get creative and you can do some research and figure out there are still some really good summer steelhead fisheries that are happening in a lot of the rivers if you know where to go so don't sleep on that either because like sometimes October can be one of the best months for catching those things yeah, that's right yeah um yeah so it's not like all, it's not like all doom and gloom but I mean just with the day and age you know you you probably have to be a little versatile you can't be a one trick pony, no it's what we've taught at Addicted Fishing Forever is like don't learn how to fish a spot on a certain condition on a certain day on a certain river height like you better learn how to fish and this is one of those times where the guys that know how to fish can go and actually find concentrations of good fish you know clear water stuff like that kind of makes them a little tougher to go but when you find them you find all of them yeah yeah and we've even done a couple raft trips and a couple little exploratory stuff, well I know guys are twitching the bigger river too yeah I've been hearing a lot about it especially in the other parts I gotta tell you about a rock pile that was that we found today that was miles from any river mouth and I don't know what it was, there was there was coho and chinooks on it i caught a couple chinooks on wigglers on it that's all i had in my boat today and we pulled up to it i'm like oh my god these there's giants i'm like wait whoa these aren't bass what what's going on and do a random i'll show you on a map random rock pile i ---- you not there was hundreds and they were like all hanging out there and i don't know why like there was some current and it's like i feel like that probably but why dude we screwed with those fish for an hour there was so many piled up that when i first like i was running a jerk bait a little bit i first ran a jerk i snagged one in the back and it took off in the middle of it fortunately popped off and gave me my my vision 110 back yeah 27 bucks a piece but regardless like there was that there was that many of them and when i threw that jerk bait off they came from 30 foot and they all came up and i'm like i mean there was like 12 of them on my freaking live coming i'm like oh my god i'm like there's no way these are bass and there's a 20 pound nook stuck right in his back again and then we crazy and then we caught a few yeah it was like i think a guy if he was real savvy could go in there with some twitching jigs maybe some right way find some areas right and maybe you know maybe even some maybe a little bait and could probably and what's crazy is we pushed them off the rock and then went around them like three times and they kept coming back and they kept stacking in there and dude there's the thickest it didn't look like the mouth i'm just gonna say what the heck i'm just gonna say it looked like the mouth of the click right there but it was miles because we were like so we're just really doing a lot of yeah yeah miles from from the river mouths and they and they we pushed them off and they came right and they'd come right back and then they grab a wiggler and had one wiggler in the boat that was my fault some sort of freaking there's something there and i don't know what it is i've never seen that before and i've seen that like schools of fish like and we see a lot of fall salmon when we're bass fishing out there but usually you see them they're on the rock or something on an edge you push them off and they just they're they just they're gone they're gone into the abyss no they kept coming back weird it was my yeah but either way so that was we're gonna put that on the radar because i kind of want to go back up there and freaking i think you could do some damn i don't know how to do that with you it looks fun going up there and just bass and coho and just kind of doing it all it looks fun yeah it was yeah it looks like yeah we were taking advantage of it we had zero wind like i said i got sunburned today when no wind burn but beautiful weather today yeah horrible deer hunting weather unbelievably and i didn't even go this weekend i just yeah it was you should be glad you didn't saturday was a goat rope show it's just more people than i've ever seen and then sunday was just blue bird weather freaking yeah we saw one nice fork and horn that we almost got and that was it i want to take dust in but i need to find the real rain dumb one yeah i'm like mike save our save our passes for later on well they see how it's open till november 1st this year that's pretty epic because normally october 31st is such a good day so now having that november 1 is pretty cool now look now we're sidetracking see guys you can still make plans and you can still find stuff to do even when the water's low so another cool thing to do this time of year guys is the fall trout fishing this time of year is amazing like all the upper alpine lakes like it's your last chance to kind of get up and start getting into all those and still have beautiful weather me and colt did a whole tour last year hitting three or four of them and it was it was so fun it brought me back so many memories of being a kid so that's something you definitely can't sleep on um the crappie fishing i heard has been epic at some of the local lakes as well already so that's something you definitely want to look at another good thing that i know cam's been doing i think he's offering trips for two guys is crabbing and i want jason gave me a couple crabs the other night dude and i would just devoured them and it made me want to go crabbing so bad like i love crab yeah and what's what's crazy too is again i mean this is this is still fishing uh fishing related but you saw like the close of the razor clam yeah because the acid levels well a few years ago we had that a really bad domoic acid uh closure as well but one thing about that that time of year is they never close to the river like for whatever reason if maybe it's the flushing mechanism that the Columbia provides but the crab in the river never got above that that unsafe level like all the coastal stuff did so i'm kind of keeping my eye on that like when they start doing that stuff like i mean i don't know do you trust the WDFW no let's just be honest this is what i know do you watch Big Water Guy oh yeah you see how much seafood that guy's he eats every single piece of seafood on earth like i don't believe any of the levels or anything they try to say like it's killing you and all i just don't believe it yeah i didn't mean like okay yeah so as far as yeah right but i also feel like people like somebody i also know guys that have went out and done like done it and like harvested razor clams and like cockle clams and stuff we won't say names but i'm sure you know who i'm talking about during those like yeah and he was fine he's not he's dead he might have worms but well yeah that domoic acid is pretty now like that stuff's like that's what your nervous system is Yeah, it's not something that I, well, that's what I'm saying. Like either way. Yeah. The crabbing in the river was phenomenal. In fact, like when, in fact, when we had the end of September, instead of like playing around up here on the gorge and stuff like that, I just went right back down to the coast and did crabbing and bottom fishing. Granted, a lot of the bottom fishing on the Washington side closed on October 17th, but like, yeah, that was, it was that good. And so we'll still, we'll keep on our own and we'll still be doing trips. I got a bunch of trips scheduled around things. Usually November, right? Oh, right now. Like right now, crabbing is phenomenal. I mean yeah like I was bringing three pots we'd throw the pots out we'd go bottom fish for like a half hour go pull the pots okay there's 35 okay well how many more do you need like another 25 or whatever go fish for like another 45 minutes pick them up like oh we're done I mean it was ridiculously good and hopefully we might not have better seafood in the northwest other than a spot prawn it's the best dungeness crab is unbelievable yeah I do like the spot prawn you gotta go with little trigger for that one anyways well like you say guys lots of opportunity in that low water I mean I just don't know where we're gonna end up in November and I hope that I mean some of our bigger rivers they'll still fish we're still poking around on them things are tough yeah yeah and then we're gonna probably be salmon fishing and doing that stuff all the way through December you know it sucks we used to have a lot of early you know November tile style steelhead fisheries and none of those really exist anymore they're completely gone that's your list seriously but we'll be basically no we got some adventures Jason and I are planning like first couple weeks of December just to go really freaking drain some big bobbers on some big fish maybe do a little reenactment of last year's movie I'm ready for that for sure go around for a little while I got that whole month just open to do whatever and I want to do some of that stuff for sure well shoot we might get our B-run coho then it might not rain until then yeah seriously what I've always heard people say this and is this a real thing because I don't believe it that the fish won't come that they'll just stay in the ocean another year not coho yeah they'll come right they're coming no matter what coho are only three year olds three three year olds like they don't there's no such thing like chinooks will stay out and do you know there'll be two three four five six salt whatever but like coho don't do that like the age class of an adult coho is the age class of an adult coho so they don't they're kind of like they're kind of like um yeah see that's what i thought i was like yeah they're they're coming whether they show up now or whatever i mean then you hear all these rumors too from the guys like tuna fish and they're like oh we were coming in you know at 400 feet they were just jumping all over the place and just stuff like you hear a lot of stuff like there's so much bait out there they're no hurry they're just eating up like i don't know man yeah it's weird it's i feel like we always get into these little conversations when it's dry and there's no fish around we'll keep this in mind so one of the rivers that we've screw it you guys will look at it up anyways but one of the rivers we had They had 3,500 coho back last week. 3,500. That's a lot. That's a lot. They came. Yeah, they're trucking in. Whether or not you're getting them to bite, it's another story. They're moving in, though. Yeah. Yeah, and we fished the next day. We were one for three on bright coho. Caught a couple darks and twitched up some darks. One for three. 3,500 coho. Nothing? Yeah. Yeah, it's a long, big, long, yeah. And we know from that river Just based on all the other studies Those fish seem to move quick in there They got plenty What your question was Do you think they're still coming I'm like yeah they are And some of them are already here What about the other river Is the other river getting any yet Nick got a few Yesterday Killed two And he put two dark bucks back Interesting Not what we're used to no yeah i don't know man weird no one can hear what jason jason's talking yes exactly yeah there's still plenty of water where they're not they're not tidally locking up yeah they can move all they want and do whatever they want yeah yeah like i said i think you guys can't hear what jason's saying right now but he's just saying like yeah that river is so big and i think i agree with him but i think the conditions are just warrant they're just really hard to catch yeah for sure it's warm and clear and i can tell you the one i was on at 15 foot of this Dude, we even saw that back in the day when the fishing was incredible on some of those coastal rivers. When we got that super low, clear water, dude, it was way harder to catch them. Way harder. We'd still get them, but it wasn't like, yeah, for sure. All right, everyone. Well, quick announcement before we head out. Do not forget our fall merch drop is live on the website, guys. It went live this last Sunday, October 18th. A lot of this stuff already sold out, but there still is some stuff on there, guys. If you want to take advantage of the merch drop, there's some really sick items on there. Head over to the website and check it out. and then don't forget mark your calendars for the sports shows we're going to be at all three of them as much as well as a whole bunch of other people that you're going to want to see so thanks so much for listening tuning in being followers of Addicted we love you guys until next time we'll see you on the river see ya