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All right, I mentioned how unique it is for one holdout in a jury room, in a jury box. Well, let's figure out exactly what that dynamic looks like with someone who's tried several cases, many cases every year, major stakes, civil trials. Also, an expert in picking juries, has written books on what it is to pick a jury at civil trial attorney with Colin Jensen, Dave Sugden, who joins me here now in Dallas. I just can't get over this, Dave. I think that this is a rarity, not just in a courtroom, but in society. Seven days, one person stands against 11. It's unbelievably rare because the pressure to fit in is so strong. And what we'll do in our cases, we'll do focus groups and we'll see this. And what we'll see is what the mock jurors fill out individually, and then what they fill out, what they say in a group. And it doesn't always match because oftentimes the leader can start swaying the room. And so on the one hand, 11 to one seems close. On the other hand, that one juror, whether you agree with him or not is brave. And the idea of holding out is rare. Not just brave, strong. There's so many different compulsions to fit in with the crowd. Yes, of course, weakness, we're herd animals. We like consensus. We want to move with the herd, but also let's just go home. This is over. Come on, whatever this man's name is on the jury. Can't we just all go home together? Why are you sticking so strongly? Don't you see the doubt? It's an unbelievable dynamic because this has been a long trial and then long deliberations. And a deliberation room, it's nothing. You're in a room, there's nothing else. And so you're with 11 people who want to go home and you're the only reason. It inquires, it's a very unique trait for someone to say, this is my duty. I'm a juror. I took an oath. I'm going to stick to it. It's pretty remarkable. And there's one more element of pressure. That pressure came outside the courtroom. And I think, although this is after trial, this is a great illustration of what that juror might've found. Had they gone home, had they scrolled their social media, had they turned on their television, they would have seen things like what they saw today from Kevin Reddington. They know that they were robbed by one man for whatever his agenda was, who stole seven weeks of the life of these other jurors that were so attentive, so beautiful, so wonderful. And listen to this evidence. And you could see how defeated they were sitting there. And I got a funny feeling that they would have gone on for another week if they had to. So I hope that guy can sleep well at night. I saw someone post today, Dave, everyone thinks they're a lion until it's time to do lion things. This man stood as a lion, firm in his convictions against that type of public pressure as well. And I just don't know that that is a common trait in a jury room or in America. And it's troublesome to see Mr. Reddington's comments because on the one hand, trials are hard. And so obviously when you get a hung jury, it's a gut punch, but this juror got a summons and he served his duty. I mean, he didn't apply for this job. He didn't insert himself into it. And whether you like the result or not, you have to respect the system. In fact, in many ways, a hung jury shows the system is working because fitting in is so common to have one person say, I don't care if we have to keep going. I'm not going to change my convictions. That's the system working. It's a feature of it, not a bug. All right. Dave Sugden, Colin Jensen, great to have you here today in that expert analysis on juries. Thank you. Thank you, Will. All right.