Who has stood out at Jets Training Camp so far? | Gang's All Here

Football starts tonight, but not for the New York Jets, not yet. I'm Ryan Sampson. That's Frankie Vitteriti from U Stadium. This is Gainesville here. We're gonna be talking to Kaz a little bit about our training camp report, get his analysis on what's going on there. Geno Smith is looking pretty good at practice right now, Frankie. He is looking pretty good. I'm curious to see, though, how this shapes out when it comes to week one, though. I'm not getting too excited, but I like it. It's better than what we had to see last year. We're gonna break down the potential for this offense with Geno Smith, if he looks good. We're also gonna talk about David Bailey, who is making some really big leaps in practice, and Kaz is gonna give us some really good insight there. Don't miss today's episode. And, of course, we're joined now by our Jets beat writer, Brian Costello, who is from the Jets training facility there to talk about this Jets team and what's going on in training camp. But before we get into what happened today at practice, Kaz, there are some Jets fans who are wondering, why are you fraternizing with the enemy and down in Nashville with Robert Sala and Brian Dayball? They're not my enemies, guys. I could not care less who wins in week one. Just, I hope it's a blowout one way or the other so it's easy to write. Well, we do know that, I know on my end, why you were down there. You were talking to Sala, you were talking to Dayball, getting their perspective, obviously, as both former Giants and Jets head coaches. But can you elaborate a little bit further? How was those discussions? What was it like being down there for Titans camp? Look, I mean, it's always interesting when a former Jets coach lands somewhere else. It was interesting when Rex was in Buffalo, we did stories on him, we did stories on Mangini in Cleveland. So it's interesting, and then adding the element that they're playing week one, it's even spicier. And then Dayball, these two former New York coaches uniting in Tennessee. There's also a lot of players there. I talked to Jermaine Johnson. I'll be writing something about him soon. I talked to JFM, I talked to Wendell Robinson, you know, as the ex-Giant. So just a lot of interesting storylines there, Ryan. So I felt like a pretty good trip to make where we could get a lot of stories out of there. And yeah, I had a long conversation with Sala in his office before practice. And, you know, he's in a good place. He's excited about his team, but they're a very young team. So it was interesting to watch Cam Ward practice. And they've added a lot of pieces there. They had a lot of money to spend in free agency. Cardinal Tate in the draft. So they're an interesting team. Kaz, how do you compare the talent pool between what you saw in Tennessee and what this Jets team has? Now, I know they haven't practiced all that much, so it's tough to kind of, yeah, it's tough to kind of see, but how do you kind of view both teams, yeah? Yeah, look, I mean, I only saw one practice in Tennessee, but I came away thinking this, Frankie, is the matchups up front are going to be the most interesting element of that game, both ways. The Titans are, they have holes on the offensive line. I'll try to put it, put it kindly. They, they're weak on the offensive line. And I do think, you know, what we've seen from the Jets with Bailey and Will McDonald and Ifo Sy and I think Bari can get healthy, and obviously the guys inside, they should be able to put pressure on Cam Moore. I'd be surprised if the Jets didn't. Now, conversely, they've got a really good defensive line. Two guys Jets fans know very well, with JFM and Jermaine on two sides, Jeffrey Simmons in the middle. I know, I know we're high on the offensive line with the Jets and especially the tackles, but this is going to be a good test for them right away. And kind of a sneaky one, right? This isn't Myles Garrett or TJ Watt or big names, but Jets fans know what Jermaine is capable of when he is playing at his highest level. And I think he's motivated. I talked to him, he seems like he's in a good place physically and mentally. And then JFM is a, just a really good football player. And obviously Jeffrey Simmons might be the best defensive tackle in all of football. So to me, I walked away, Frankie saying the trenches are going to be interesting. Titans are young in a lot of spots. So are the Jets. It's going to be, it's an interesting matchup. And like I said, I only saw one practice, so it's no way to come here and give you a good read on Cam Ward. He didn't have the best day when I was there, but you drop into training camp one day, you don't know what you're going to get. So I do think Philly the Jets are a little bit ahead of them in spots in terms of building the roster. Like obviously this is Salah's first year there, Dable's first year, but they do have some interesting pieces for sure. Calvin Ridley, you know, at receiver. I thought I was, you know, you see some guys, you're like, oh yeah, I forgot he was still here. And they've added some talent to their team. Yeah, it's certainly, it's going to be a fun matchup, like you said, Kaz, there's a ton of storylines going into week one. The Robert Salah angle of it all going against the former team that he was fired from mid-season. But I think for us, I do want to get back into the Jets conversation because look, there's no secrets about it. We've seen the Twitter reports and the training camp reports, but I do want to start with Geno Smith and what you've seen from him thus far. There's definitely been a lot of talk and discussion, I feel like guys from content creators, writers, whatnot, that Geno is very refreshing to watch for training camp because of the way he's able to push the ball downfield and be more aggressive to take more shots, which I think they're trying to, I think Glenn talked about it today. They want that ability to stretch the field because make explosive plays, which this Jets offense has been lacking for so many years now. But it's refreshing for you guys to watch an actual quarterback stand up in the pocket and take shots downfield. What have you seen thus far from Geno? Yeah, I'm not sure I'd call it refreshing, Ryan. We're two years removed from seeing one of the greatest quarterbacks that ever played football in training camp every day. I mean, this does not compare to Aaron Rodgers at all. Let's just make that clear. He's not close to Aaron Rodgers level. Not close, Kaz. Not close. Okay. Not close. Watching Aaron Rodgers every day was like watching Picasso paint. It was, that was amazing. Like, I don't think I'll ever probably experience that again covering training camp. Now, if you're comparing it to last year in Justin Fields, yeah, it's, Justin Fields isn't even close to Geno Smith, right? So it's, you know, he's, yeah, he's taking a lot of deep shots and that's good. But yeah, I'm not gonna go overboard on it. I think he's refreshing compared to Justin Fields, but it's not like we haven't seen this in training camp before. You know, obviously Rodgers had two really good training camps here. Zach, not so much. Darl had some really good training camps, I thought, too, where this was, where we saw this. So, you know, you can't get too carried away with what you see early August. Yeah, look, I understand what you're saying about, you know, you saw the Rodgers stuff, there is no comparison. But I'm just talking about, again, the refreshing part of last year to this year, I think it's very stark. But I also wonder, like, Geno had talked about it today. He really, really likes the weapons that they put together in the wide receiver room, the running back depth pieces with Brees Hall and Braylon Allen and Davis has banged up. He talked about the tight end group as well. And then the offensive line, we love the promising potential they have with the two young tackles. He seems to be set up for success here. You know, and again, what would determine a successful offense for you in your mind with Geno and these weapons? Yeah, I think just a competent offense would be successful at this point, right? Like, just functional, not having games, like we talked about, where they don't get their first first down until a two minute warning. Scoring in the first quarter, scoring on the first drive, like stuff we haven't seen a lot of. That would be a successful offense to me. Again, I think there's just a lot of question marks. I think people are kind of maybe checking things off where the only givens I feel like on this offense are Brees and Garrett. Everything else in my mind is to some degree a question mark. I think Memmu is good. When I hear like he could be all pro, I think that's a question mark. Like, I don't think he, I'm not sure we can pencil that in yet. I think you know what to expect from Garrett. You know what to expect from Brees. The rest of it I think is up in the air a little bit. We're gonna see what they look like September whatever, 13th. Yeah, Kaz and Ryan, we've spoken about this for months now. It's the what if. If this goes well, if this goes well, if that goes well. But if it goes bad, we might be back to square one where our best two players are Garrett Wilson and Brees Hall like they've been for the last couple years. But with that said, Kaz, Ryan and I have been going a little bit back and forth offline about this. When it comes to Geno Smith, in my opinion, Ryan differs I think a bit. My opinion, I think the leadership intangible here is where I think Geno can get us to a point where the offense is average, maybe creeping above average to it just potentially being a bottom five offense. I think if Geno comes in and shows the rest of the young guys that he's a leader, he's staying late, he's helping you with film, et cetera, I think this offense could be pretty good. You can start seeing some things like people have talked about with the Ryan Fitzpatrick 15 year. But if Geno's not gonna be that guy and is kind of just here on a one year figure things out kind of season and pie in the sky sort of might go well, might not, I don't know, I think this offense could be pretty bad. I think the talent that he brings to the table is pretty average, maybe below average as what, a 34, 35 year old quarterback kind of on his last starting gig. So I don't know, how much do you feel the leadership stuff with Geno, the extra, the stuff up here, the in here, how much does that, how valuable is that when it comes to how good this offense could be in your opinion? I think the talent is way more valuable, Frankie. I think it's about what he can do on the field. I do, I don't know. That's what Ryan says. Yeah, I think it's really about what he can do. I agree, but not as much as you guys, sorry. On the field, I don't know, I don't, I don't, like we were, we talked about DeMario Davis on the other side of the ball. I don't see Geno as that guy, as like the, I don't think he has enough pelts on the wall, to be honest with you. Like I just don't think he's accomplished enough in the NFL. I think he's an interesting guy because he's experienced so many different things. Like he's sort of like a Forrest Gump character of the NFL, right? Like he was his second round pick, he was a starter here as a rookie. Obviously we know the punch that derails his career. He goes through an ACL, he goes to the Giants, which he's the guy who played when they benched Eli Manning, which is crazy to think about, right? Which was a huge thing. And then he has to be a backup for a few years, and then he gets the second right in Seattle as the guy replaces Russell Wilson, the Vegas chapter. So he's had a lot of interesting experiences that I think players would be wise to tap into that and learn from him in that regard. I just don't see him as a big time voice like Demarcus Davis. Does he have to be though? I don't know, I don't feel that from him. Do you think he has to be though for this offense to get to the next stage or to get to average? I don't, I don't, I don't. No, I don't think so. I think he just needs to play well. Right, I don't think you need him to be that guy. Yeah, look, Frankie, I think this is what I had said to you offline. I said, throw touchdowns, win football games. That's what's ultimately gonna matter for Geno Smith. Be confident in the quarterback like Kaz said, but at the same time, raise the level of play of everyone else around you, which I think he can do because he can be decisive in the pocket. You give him time with the offensive line, I think he can actually make some dangerous throws downfield, meaning good, dangerous plays for them, but also dangerous throws because he's gonna take the risk and throw it into coverage when he shouldn't be. But that's tantalizing, I think, as an offense for Frank Reich because I think the Jets have married up a good combination between Reich and Geno where they're gonna draw a place for him to attack downfield and be the pocket passer that he can be. Look, Geno last year was 37th according to Pro Football Focus in passing PFF grade. It wasn't a good year for him last year, but he's got a lot more pieces here this year. He's got a lot more protection, you would think, on that offensive line. I think Frank Reich and him do work well together, and I don't think he has to be a leader. I think he just, again, needs to be in the system, take shots when you can, get the ball to your playmakers in Brees and Garrett. You have two tight ends you think you can get the ball to, and see how the offense goes. I think it's a little bit more cause, though, than what you're saying. Don't be playing behind early. I think the Jets actually have a chance to be a more aggressive offense, if that makes sense. It's not so much like we're actually gonna be in games. It's more like, hey, can we jump out to a quick 10-0 lead in the game? You know, I think the offense could have that type of potential. I'm not talking about the Rams and Sean McVay, but I'm talking about an offense that can give your defense. You're looking at best-case scenario, by the way. Best-case scenario, by the way, if the offense reaches that potential. Yeah, and I think, frankly, the leadership piece comes after he plays well. You mentioned Fitzpatrick, right? Yeah. Remember now, Fitzpatrick got the job in the middle of the training camp after Geno was injured, and no one was viewing Fitz as the leader. Fitz was, he hated being called this, a journeyman quarterback that came in and was supposed to just be backing up Geno. The Fitz thing was like a snowball, right? Like, they just played, they played well. They won the Monday night game in Indianapolis in week two, and you could feel like the momentum was rolling, and it kinda worked where he clicked with Mangold. He clicked with Brandon Marshall. He clicked with Eric Decker. Like, they became a very tight-knit group, but I think the success came first, and then that aspect developed. So I think Geno could, that could happen if Geno plays really well right away, and I agree. I think, guys, I just think it's gonna be up and down. I think there's gonna be weeks where it looks really good, weeks where it looks really bad. I know people wanna say, like, is Geno gonna be the guy he was last year, or is he gonna be the guy, what was it, 2022 was his really good year in Seattle? I could see it being more like 2024 in Seattle. It was last year there. Like, 21 touchdowns, 15 interceptions. He did throw for 4,300 yards, which would be something, but, you know, I could see it being more in line with that type of season, and are they top, are they average offense? I think they'll probably be like 22, 23 in that range of offense. They're not bottom five, like you mentioned, but they're probably not top 15, is what would be the ultimate dream, probably? Yeah, I mean, 18 to 24 is probably like the sure bet for this Jets offense, right around there, and even that, compared to last year, would look worlds better, and look like a completely incompetent offense compared to what we saw last year, because, again, guys, if you look at the advanced stats of Brady Cook, Tyrod Taylor, and Justin Fields, they're all below the 32nd ranked quarter, they're all in the 40s, like, it's that bad when you talk about quarterbacks, and the EPA that they added to their team, and the completion percentage above expected. It was epically bad, epically bad. Let me just say one quick thing to what Kaz was saying, and I was actually thinking about this the other night. I have some, I have these thoughts late at night about this Jets team. Now, when they're playing badly, that offense, this is where the leadership stuff, for me, comes in, so maybe it doesn't necessarily start right away, but. It doesn't rear its ugly head right away. Yes, when things start going bad, and the dominoes start falling negatively, who's gonna pick this offense up, because it can look bad, and you know it will look bad, and who are you gonna look at in that huddle to gather everyone together to kind of say, all right, guys, we can't get a first down out of here. We just threw two interceptions, like, get it together. That's where, maybe it's not Geno, or maybe Geno's had some success in previous games where he can go back into his bag as to what he did in games before, and things will get better, but I'm just wondering that, that's my biggest concern, excuse me, with the offense, yes, is can you stop the snowball from getting bigger and bigger and bigger until it's an avalanche? That's my concern with this offense. Can Geno stop the snowball effect? Yeah, I don't know, right? Yeah, I don't think, yeah, it's impossible to answer, right? Didn't you know that? But I also think, guys, Garrett Wilson is entering year five, right? Some of this has to be on Garrett at this point, too. If you wanna be the best player on the team, you wanna be the highest paid player, at some point, you gotta be a leader, so I do think he needs to be looked at, too, on offense as being one of those guys, and that would be kind of a step up for Garrett. He has not really been in that role during his time here, but maybe this is the year that Garrett kind of finds his leadership voice, and maybe help us along, Geno, in that regard. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of Garrett, I think we should definitely talk about him, his camp he's having. I know it's probably usual from your perspective, Kaz, like he makes plays, but I am interested in the battle between him and Brandon Stevens. It seems like those two have had a pretty good battle in training camp thus far. Does that speak more to Stevens and how much he seems to be getting better in this system, or Garrett just always is gonna find ways to get open, no matter who it is? Yeah, no, I think there was one today. The first player, they did a high red zone from the 25, and Garrett just shook free. Obviously, we're watching it live, there's no replay, so I don't know exactly how he got open, but you looked up, and he was wide open in the end zone, and he had beaten Stevens somehow, and Gino found him for a really nice, like 25-yard touchdown pass. So yeah, I actually just wrote a little something for it, that we do a graphic in the paper every day, and it's easy to overlook Garrett, because it's expected. So when he has a good day, it's not like, oh my God, look at Garrett. But he's looked good, guys. He looks really good. He looks like Garrett. He showed no ill effects of his injury. And I'm curious, again, where a lot of this is happy talk during this time of year, but they've talked about how Frank Reich's offense fits him, and Reich gives players a little leeway into what they can do, and that's Garrett. Garrett is not a guy who runs the play exactly as it's drawn up in the book. Garrett has a little freelance to his game, and we'll see. They're saying that that's what Reich's offense is going to be. Sometimes that's happy talk in August, it doesn't really translate, but I do think Garrett has looked really good. And you know, Stevens, guys, I thought he had a good year last year, in terms of coverage. There were games where I was like, oh my God, Brandon Stevens is going to be here. Totally. He just doesn't have the ball skills. Yeah, yeah. He just doesn't get, he doesn't get, you know, pass breakups and interceptions, and that's where he has to improve, and I think he had one the other day when I wasn't here. It was a tip pass. I saw the video the Jets put out, but you know, that's a positive, because they obviously didn't have any of those last year. So to me, for Stevens, his next step is, can he turn the ball over? I also would worry about those two guys. When they signed Stevens last year, he was the number two, right? Sauce was here. He's now the number one corner. To me, he's more of a number two. I think he's a nice number two cornerback. I'm not sure he's a number one cornerback, so I do have some concerns about the secondary. Coz, how do you feel about AZ Thomas? I know he's been an X factor for a lot of fans, especially now, looking at this cornerback room, saying he could potentially propel himself into being, even in that cornerback one conversation, if he can, you know, make some plays. How do you feel about AZ? How's he looking out there? I think he'll be the second cornerback, Frankie. Okay. I do think he's gonna, I do think he'll end up being the guy opposite Brandon Stevens. Him and Deshaun Wright have kind of gone back and forth, and we haven't seen Pons at all, because of his cap. So, I sort of leave him out. I do think he's probably in the nickel. You know, when he comes back, he's competing with Brownlee for that spot. But, there's been some good things from AZ. He's done some interesting, you know, he's made some interesting plays, and I thought, one thing that stood out was, Aaron Glenn was asked about him last week, and he basically didn't answer. Said, like, we need to see him when the pads come on. So that, to me, is like, okay, they're testing this guy a little bit, to see what he's got. I think it's a really important training camp for him. I think it's really important, preseason games that he plays well. And then, you know, for what you're talking about, Frankie, I think we're probably a year away from that conversation of, could he be a number one? He'd have to play really well this year to propel him into that conversation. But I think, right now, I figure looking at him as probably the number two. Going back to the wide receiver room, Omar Cooper, I've continued to see he's made some plays in camp. What have you made of the rookie so far in his first couple weeks, especially with the pads coming on now? Yeah, a bad drop today. He had a bad drop in seven on seven. You know, I think he's a rookie, so there's moments where he flashes. You know, other moments where I'm like, I haven't seen the ball go to him very much today. So, I think he's a work in progress, Ryan, and I'm curious, again, the preseason games are gonna be huge for these rookies, and also the joint practices with the Bucs next week. That's when we're gonna get more of a tell of where guys are at, to be honest with you. Like, I do put a lot more value in those things, and you also can see what the coaches think of them and what situations they put them in, and things like that. So, Cooper has flashed. He's had some good moments. The day I wasn't here, it was a really good catch. I saw that video, too. But I think, you know, I think he's still kind of feeling his way. Yeah, it just, I am interested to see how they use him, because there's a lot of mouths to feed in this offense. Adonai Mitchell has certainly looked like he's stepped up thus far, but it's Garrett, it's Brees, you think Sadiq. Speaking of Sadiq, I do want to ask you about this. I heard you talk, ask Glenn about the injury. He said a couple weeks now, after the setback with the hernia surgery. Kaz, I know you've been covering the game for a while now, when a rookie misses this much training camp time, do you get concerned at all, especially when it's their first year in the NFL? I do, because I think you come back and you're playing catch-up, right? I just, you know, I know he's gonna be in meetings and all that stuff, but it's not the same as getting the reps on the field. I also think a guy like Sadiq is a guy, we've all speculated on this, that they can do a ton of different things with, right? Now I think you start crossing a few of those things off the list, or at least for the beginning of the season. You can't have this rookie out there with, you're gonna do this, this, this, this, and this, you're gonna use him in this position, you're gonna use him in this position. You've gotta kind of narrow the focus, I think, now, for week one, at least, and week two, of like, okay, let's not give him too much to think about. So you might not be able to be as creative as you hoped with him when you drafted him. That's alarming. Like, I feel for him that he had a setback and he had the surgery in the off-season, but you want to see this guy kind of get off week one and let him have the full potential of the offense. I agree with you guys, it's a little concern. He's missing valuable reps, especially next week, like you said, too, with the Bucs. It would be great to see Sadiq out there getting reps against another team and seeing, oh, Frank Drake's, you know, he's motioning him from outside, he's bringing him to the backfield, he's running around from the backfield, he's getting an end-the-round run. There's different things they could do with him, and it feels like it's a tough break for him to miss this much time. His body type and how he plays, too. Usually, guys like that, they get banged up every once in a while. The last thing you want is that to happen so early because of how freakish he is. But, Kaz, they were saying today, and I think you may have asked, Glenn, it doesn't seem as serious, like there was some good news kind of about it, right? Yeah, well, I don't think he's gonna, I think he's gonna be back for the season over. Okay. He said, but he said weeks. Yeah, so when they say weeks, they mean weeks. Yeah, yeah. Because a lot of times we hear, oh, remember, like the beginning of training camp, it was, Pons is fine, I'm not that concerned. We still haven't seen Pons practice. Sweat's fine, I'm not concerned. We still haven't seen Sweat practice, right? So, when they say weeks at the podium, they mean, like, I don't think we're going to see Sadik the rest of training camp. I'd be surprised. I don't think we'll see him in preseason game. Wow. And maybe he's back for that last, for that Giants game, maybe. But, like, I don't know, that's, right, you're one week away from the Bucs. Yeah. You're two weeks away from the Steelers. You're three weeks away from the Giants. Four weeks away from the season, basically, yeah. Five weeks from the season. You got a dead week in there. You got a dead week in there with nothing. To me, I don't think, when he, when Glenn says weeks to me, that's at least two and probably three. So, maybe he's back for the Giants. Right. Maybe. But, if he rolls out the Giants week, and, like, I don't have their schedule in front of me, but that game is Friday night. So, they'd probably be practicing, like, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Monday, he's gonna do individual drills and nothing else. I'll see how he feels. Maybe he does team by Wednesday. Are you gonna play him in a preseason game if that's all he's had that week? Probably not. They're probably gonna be cautious with this guy. Totally, wow. So, to me, I think he's probably not gonna see him the rest of camp, and I'm not counting the dead week. Training camp is over to me once the Giants game is done. So, yeah, I'd be surprised if we see him at all in the preseason. Why would you risk him getting hurt in that Giants game? I completely hear you guys. It's just a tough break for the Brook. It is. They took him with a high pick, and I think a lot of Jets fans are anxious, and the beat writers like Kaiser are anxious to see how they're gonna use him in this offense, and I wanna see him on the field, because I think he can be special, like, just because of the talent and the skill that he has. By the way, I have some good news, by the way, because we were talking some negative stuff. I have some really positive news, guys. I don't know if you've heard about this really high pick that we drafted. This guy. Let me tee this up here. Can I get into this a little bit? Yeah, hey, before you get to it, Kaz, I am of the opinion that you really can't evaluate line play, and I think you the same way, until the pads come on. The pads have come on, and now we've seen Bailey, Mambu, Olu, McDonald, all these guys on the field. David Bailey is what Frankie wants to talk about. I'll let him get his part after I ask you this, though. What do you make of Bailey thus far, and what do you make of Mambu thus far, in that training camp battle that's been going back and forth? Yeah, it's a fun battle, guys. They definitely go back and forth. Like, there's good days where Mambu's dominated, days where Bailey's dominated. Bailey's the real deal, and I think you guys have done this long enough with me now that I don't throw praise around that easy. Wow, yeah. Especially to rookies. Love it. Yeah, let's go. If Kaz is giving him the real deal, that's... I heard Kaz with Jake, I think. He was on ESPN Radio, and he was giving Bailey love. I was listening to that, though. Yeah, like, there's some guys you see, and they're different, and I feel like the guy who I always remember, Sheldon Richardson, like, you saw him, he was different. Jamal Adams was different, right, right away. Sauce and Garrett were different. Like, there's guys that come in as rookies, and you just see it like, yeah, okay, there's this guy, and I put Bailey in that category. Wow. If you were an alien dropped on the field, and you're picking the best players, you'd pick him, because he's just explosive. He's got a lot of moves. He's got more power than I thought. He's been good against the run, too. Like, I've seen him blow up some plays in the backfield, run plays. He just seems to always be back there. He had a move on Membu last week that was like, the only way I could describe it was like a stutter step, and it looked like an Allen Iverson crossover, the way Membu, you know how like a defender kind of stumbles backwards in basketball? Membu, Membu, not Membu, sorry, it was Olu. Olu just kind of fell backwards like off balance by the rush, and I was like, that was different. Like, that was, he's just, he's got such a burst about him. Yeah, so I think you got one there, Frankie. Yeah, we'll see, man. I mean, listen, at the end of the day, to what Ryan was saying, I was all excited about all these reports when the pads were off. Now with the pads on, it seems like, you know, things get a little bit more back to life, but Kaz, I was looking at this guy, and we talked about it how many times about how much I loved him, and that first step, Kaz, that first step that he has will set everything else up for him. It is so freakish, because he's able to get almost a yard into the backfield before some of these offensive linemen are even in their sets. That sets up the speed to power, that sets up the clubs, that sets up the spin. Kaz, something else that's interesting, and this is, I'm gonna be positive, Frankie, for 30 seconds. If you look, if you look at edge players that have been picked second overall, or defensive tackles. So he's outside linebackers and defensive ends. Yes. Taken second overall in the draft since? Since, we'll go since 2000. 2000, so the last 26 years. Yes, actually, that's crazy. 2000 was 26 years ago, holy smokes. All right, Aiden Hutchinson was drafted. How many total are you, the examples? So we'll do Aiden Hutchinson, one, Chase Young, Nick Bosa, Von Miller. We'll put in Dominick, and Dominick Hunsu, and then Chris Long, Julius Peppers. We'll go those guys. So you're just doing defensive players taking second overall in the line? Defensive linemen, we'll say. Aiden Hutchinson, Lions went from three and 13 and one, to after drafting him, went to nine and eight. Six win difference, six plus wins. Chase Young, year before they drafted him, were three and 13. Year after, Kaz, seven and nine. That's plus four wins. Nick Bosa, Niners were four and 12 before they drafted Bosa second overall. Drafted Bosa, they went 13 and three. They won nine games. With the Super Bowl. With the Super Bowl, yes. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Von Miller, plus four wins. And Dominick Hunsu, plus four wins. Chris Long now was minus one, so they went from three and 13 to two and 14. Hopefully that doesn't happen here. But Julius Peppers, one and 15. Got Peppers seven and nine, plus six wins. So if you go down the list, there's a really good track record, and you could go back into this, yeah. Frank, I would say your better point is how good those players are. That's true, those are good players. Robin, I mean, the wins jump is almost gonna happen because those teams are picking number two. So automatically if you're picking number two, you probably have three wins or two wins or one win the year before. So chances are, you're improving. And you've also probably got a new coach in a lot of those situations. They spent a hundred million dollars. So you'd have to look at each of those situations. But I think your greater point is you go down those names. And those were great players. Now Chase Young, Chase Young got injured and kind of that altered his career, right? But the other ones you mentioned, right, there's some Hall of Famers. I'm gonna say Julius Peppers. Bob Miller will be a Hall of Famer whenever he stops playing. Both of them might be on that trajectory. Great player, yeah. Oh yeah, Hutchinson's a great player. So like, yeah, when you're taking a pass rusher at number two, there's a high hit rate. Probably better than quarterbacks at number two. If you started with all the quarterbacks drafted there, it's probably been more success. But so yeah, I think the fascinating thing, guys, is gonna be to watch what Reece does for the Giants and what Bailey does for the Jets. And it was what we debated all January, February, March, and April. And I've seen some of the good reports out of West Virginia about what Reece is doing down there. And it feels like he's in a less splashy position, right? He's playing off ball linebackers. So I'm not sure he's gonna be able to have a splash plays, but you'll know if he's a good player. And that's gonna be a fun comparison to make throughout their entire careers. I think both players are pretty good. So I think it's gonna be, I think both teams will end up happy with their guy, but it is gonna be interesting. And look, if the Jets ended up with four more wins, that's seven wins this year, I think most Jets fans would take seven wins this year, considering what they saw last year and how bad it was. Like seven wins, I think, Kaz, would be a significant improvement from last year. Yeah, that'd be huge. Yeah, you'd be more than doubling your win total. I have a trivia question for Kaz. Oh. Kaz, trivia question. There was also a great edge player drafted at edge in New York, second overall. Do you know who that player was? Lawrence Taylor. Yes, sir, there we go. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I call him Lawrence Taylor Jr. Who was drafted first? That's a better question. In 81, ah. That's the trivia question. Was it a quarterback? It was a quarterback. No. An offensive lineman? No. I'm stumped. I believe it was George Rodgers. Let me confirm that for you, but I believe it was George Rodgers, who was a running back. It was George Rodgers. Yeah, first overall, yeah. Wow. What kind of career did he have? You want me to see how he was? Yeah. He was okay. He was a two-time Pro Bowl for one time, first female Pro. 7,000 rushing yards. Ran for 1,600 yards as a rookie. 54 touchdowns total. Wow. Yeah, he was a good running back, Frankie, but he was not Lawrence Taylor. Freeman McNeil, number three. That's right. Yes, sir. Yeah, that was a cool draft. Nice. Look, the thing I take away from all that is Kaz saying he's the real deal. Oh, yeah. David Bailey being a real deal would be huge for this Jets defense and for Aaron Glenn. It would take, I don't want to say pressure, but it would definitely, it would make Aaron Glenn's life a little bit easier to call this defense and have that type of weapon to deploy against opposing offenses and quarterbacks. Because, again, I'll bring it up. There are a lot of mobile quarterbacks the Jets have to face, especially in the AFC. Josh Allen being numero uno. You're gonna go up against him twice. Malik Willis can run as well. Drake May is actually very elusive, too. They need David Bailey to be the real deal on this defense. Yeah, and I think to your point about Aaron Glenn, we get bobbed down into the how many games do the Jets have to win for Aaron Glenn to be back in 2027. To me, it's more about how it looks. Obviously, he can't win two or three games. He's gotta have some wins, but if the Jets are six in the left, and David Bailey looks like he's coming, like he's had a great season, and Sadiq has a good season, and Pons is playing well, and now Olu and Membu have played well, and you feel pretty good about this young core in December, that's a good case for Aaron Glenn. He can say, look who we're doing player development. Do you really wanna blow this up? And basically start over, because maybe the next guy's gonna come in with a different defense than Aaron Glenn, and he's gonna want different players, and he's got different philosophies, and now you're starting over in that regard. So I do think Bailey is a huge key for Aaron Glenn in his job security, and not just in terms of how many wins he can have, but can he just make the feeling about this team really good going into 2027? That's a good point, Kaz, and I know you're excited to see him. Bailey's gonna be playing preseason week one against the Bucs, right? Like we expect him to play. We haven't asked, but I think Glenn will. I mean, Aaron Glenn's an old school type of coach. I don't think he's gonna be sitting. I remember like last year, everybody played, even Fields played that first game. So I think if I remember last year correctly, the starters played in the first two games and not the third game. I think that's how he did it. So I wouldn't expect him to deviate from that. Kaz, this practice schedule, speaking of old school, I'm a little bit, I'm questioning a little bit this whole practice schedule and some of the time that they're out there for. It seems like they're practicing for 45 minutes a day. If the guy, I mean, it seems like it. No, two hours a day. Yeah, but I mean, the practices start, and then I text Ryan and Glenn's at the podium. It seems like less than an hour later. Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal, guys. Practice starts at 8.30 a.m., okay? You're probably judging it by tweets. Yes. The first beginning of practice is basically they're doing like a jog through, I would call it. It's not walk through. It's not practice. It's offense versus offense, defense versus defense, like scout team type of stuff. And it just runs like we're not tweeting about that. There's nothing to gain from that. Then they go to stretch. We're not tweeting about stretching. Then they do special teams. We're not tweeting about special teams. Then they do individual drills. Maybe you'll get some videos during that time, but you're not gonna get a lot. Then they go to team. So yeah, the team portion of practice is probably 30, 40 minutes. An hour, 15, maybe, like hour 15, something like that. But yeah, they're doing two-hour practices. And Frankie, at this point, it's so legislated. I know. And I talked to Sauer about this a little bit, Tennessee. They're basically like, there's not a lot of wiggle room these coaches have. You've got this period of time, and last week is the ramp up. So those are a little shorter practices, but they've been all basically doing the same thing at this point. And I think they can move the days off. They could play with that a little bit. But it's basically all the same everywhere you go now. The days off, they knew this in advance though, right? Like they had planned these days off weeks ago. We got this, yeah, months ago. Yeah, and it's like, and Glenn said the other day, his thing is like they're gonna, they ramp up the reps, and then they bring it down a little bit, then they ramp it up again and bring it down. So that's kind of the way he's doing it. And so like this week, there are three days in a row. They practice today, Friday, Saturday. They're off Sunday, Monday. Now, when I say off, that means from practice that we're allowed to watch. There could be, I'm gonna guess, there's probably gonna be a walkthrough Monday that we're not at, and they'll probably have meetings, but they won't have a full practice. And then the Bucs are here Tuesday, Wednesday for joint practices, and then they're off the day before a game. So yeah, it's pretty consistent around where you look at. Like I looked at the Tennessee schedule when I was going there, and their schedule is very similar. It just, it brought me back memories, like watching and following Kaz when Twitter was first around. There was two-a-days, and you know, my favorite portion was you guys tweeting about goal line with Rex Ryan, and like starting offense, we're starting defense, and this is the- Yeah, you don't see that anymore. No, it was the afternoon practice where they would get after it, because it's hot, it's crazy out there. Rex brings out the Terminator on the goal line. Yeah. Rex used to love to do nine on seven. Nine on defense, seven on offense, yeah. Like him do the running stuff, like they would do nine on seven drills, and those don't exist anymore, yeah. Too bad, too bad. Two-a-days were great, man. They were horrible for us as athletes, but they were fun to follow, though, too. I think the NFL may have gone just a little too far legislating these practices. Give these guys a little bit more. Injuries happen either way, that's all it really is. Maybe they'll get a little thicker skin if they play a little more practice. Kaz, we appreciate you, as always, for hopping on here, giving your analysis. We're looking forward to catching up with you next week, man.