First reactions | Abdulrazak Gurnah, Nobel Prize in Literature 2021| Telephone interview

Hello, am I speaking with Abdul Razak Gurnah? Yes, you are, yeah. Hi, my name is... I was just watching the announcement on my computer here. Who are you, please? My name is Adam Smith. I'm calling from the website of the Nobel Prize. Would you mind speaking or do you want to watch the announcement? I don't want to interrupt. Well, all right. Well, how do you want to do this then? Because there's no point listening to reporters. Because I'm sure I'll be listening to them soon. You will indeed. I think that's the message, isn't it? That your life is going to change for a short time now. It's going to be a deluge. How do you feel about that prospect? Well, I'm still taking it in, man. Yeah, well, I suppose it's inevitable. It's such a big prize. But yes, it's inevitable. Fine. Okay. Of course. I'm sure I can take it in my side. And how did the news actually reach you? He rang. I'm sorry. What's the name of the permanent secretary? Matt's mom. Yep. He just rang me about 10 minutes, 15 minutes ago. And I thought it was a prank. I really did. Because, you know, these things are usually floated for weeks beforehand, or sometimes months beforehand, about who are the runners, as it were. So it was not something that was in my mind at all. I was just thinking, I wonder who'll get it. Indeed. Okay, you took some convincing. How did he convince you? Well, he kept talking quietly. And then he told me about the website, the Swedish Academy website. And I said, well, you know, I'll go and check in a minute. But just tell me some more. So he just kept talking calmly. And I suppose in the end, I was still thinking, well, I'll wait till I actually see it or hear it. And that's what I came up here to do. Well, there it is. It's real. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed it is. You know, I just... The Nobel Prize... I'm sorry, the calls are coming in. Of course they are. That's why I tried to get you so quickly. I hope you don't mind. If you could just stay with me for a couple of minutes, it would be lovely. Can I just say something to this person? Of course you can. Of course. Hi there. Can I... You've just heard the news, I guess. This is the Swedish Academy that I'm talking to. Call me back in five minutes. All right, bye-bye. Hi. I think that's the BBC. Yeah, of course. No, they will want to talk to you. Everybody will want to talk to you. But the citation speaks about the way that you deal with the fate of refugees and the gulf between cultures and continents. It's obviously a particular moment now. We're in the middle of a refugee crisis. Can you just say, how do you see the divisions between cultures? There's so many ways of characterising things. I don't see that these divisions are either permanent or somehow insurmountable or anything like that. People, of course, have been moving all over the world. I think this phenomenon of particularly people from Africa coming to Europe is a relatively new one. But of course, the other Europeans streaming out into the world is nothing new. Centuries of that we've had. So I think the reason it's so difficult for a lot of people in Europe, for European states to come to terms with this, is perhaps a sort of, well, to cut a long story short, a kind of miserliness. As if there isn't enough to go around. When many of these people who come, come out of both need and also because, quite frankly, they have something to give. They don't come empty-handed. A lot of them talented, energetic people who have something to give. So that might be another way of thinking about it. So you're not just taking people in as if they're poverty-stricken nothings. But, yeah, think of it as you're both providing sacra to people who are in need, but also people who can contribute something. Thank you very much indeed. And one more thing. The Nobel Prize every year links scientists and artists with this week of announcements. The scientists tend to describe their work as being play, as just the joy of exploring. Is that how you feel when you write? Well, I feel joy when I've finished. But, yeah, a lot of it is obviously something that is compulsive, compelling, something that, you know, writers keep going for decades. You can't be doing that if you hate it. But it is both, I suppose it's both the pleasure of making things, crafting, getting it right. But it's also the pleasure of getting something across, of giving pleasure, of making a case, of persuading and all of those kinds of things. Thank you very much indeed. I must say you're being remarkably lucid under fire from everybody trying to reach you and at this moment. So thank you. OK. All right. Thank you. I hope we'll have the chance to speak more another time. But for the moment, congratulations and thank you. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good luck with the day. Bye-bye. 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