Megyn Kelly is joined by Chamath Palihapitya, co-host of the "All-In" Podcast, to discuss Tucker Carlson’s announcement that he is leaving the Republican Party, the debates over Israel and America’s role abroad, divisions within the GOP over the future of the party, and more.
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The discussion explores a shifting political landscape in the U.S., where support for Israel is declining not only among Democrats but also within the Republican Party and among independents. The conversation emphasizes the need to distinguish between opposition to the current Israeli government and lobbying groups versus prejudice against Jewish people or the state of Israel itself.
We'd be remiss if we didn't acknowledge what's happening on the left with respect to Israel
has creeped over into the right.
And the right wing, the independents no longer support Israel in overwhelming numbers.
They're against it now.
I mean, they disapprove of it.
They don't approve of its behavior, its government, its leadership and the decisions they've made.
Now that's happening more and more within Republican politics as well.
We started the show by reading from one political pundit who said every Democrat now is going to
swing much harder against both AIPAC and Israel going forward as a result of last night.
But the truth is Republicans are going to have a really serious decision to make too
when it comes to positioning on Israel.
And I'm going to play the soundbite from Tucker who announced to a podcast I've never heard of
earlier this week that he's left the GOP.
Now, I haven't been a member of the GOP in 20 plus years.
I'm a registered independent.
That's I'm very happy where I am.
But it's over this issue.
And he he speaks for others, too.
I wanted to get your reaction.
Watch this.
I would not support the Republican Party.
There's no chance I would support the Republican Party.
Not going to support the Democratic Party.
I don't know what I'm going to do.
But at this point, you know, how could you support how could I or any American
voter support a political party that's not loyal to the United States, that puts the
interest of a foreign country above those of its own citizens like that?
That's you know, it's not possible to vote for people like that.
And I'm not going to.
And I think I voted Republican my entire life.
I worked at Fox News, CNN, MSNBC.
I've been a consistent defender for 35 years of the Republican Party.
I mean, very consistent defender.
But there's no defending this because it's immoral.
And it's exactly the opposite of what a political party in a democracy is charged with doing,
which is representing its own voters, its own citizens, its own nation.
And they're not doing that.
So, no, I'm out.
And if I'm out, then I think a lot of other people are out.
Well, I was the can't be censored podcast.
Yeah, pretty extraordinary.
There is a growing wing within the GOP that I think feels the way Tucker does.
But what do you see happening here on on the red team as we go into these midterms and then beyond?
Because, you know, right now there's there are thought pieces out on how, for example,
over on the blue team, Josh Shapiro is out that the Democrats are not going to vote
for even a Jewish man, never mind a Jewish man who supports Israel.
That's extreme.
But I do wonder what it's going to do to Republican politics going forward.
Yeah, I share these same concerns with you.
I find this incredibly concerning.
Many of my closest friends are Jewish, and I love Israel.
I had the honor of working there very early in my career.
I would spend time in Tel Aviv, spend time in Jerusalem.
The people are unbelievable.
Frankly, like most of the people I've ever met in the Middle East have been unbelievable,
like in every country there, UAE, Israel, particularly those two countries,
I've spent more time than any place else.
So this idea that, you know, we have an issue with Israel needs to be separated from do we
have an issue with the current leadership of Israel versus Israelis versus Jews?
And I think that's a really important distinction that we have to make.
I think that people are hitting a level of exhaustion with Bibi, and I think it's important
to acknowledge that and then ask the question, is it time for—what more does Bibi need to
accomplish at this point where he can sort of say, okay, in his view, not defending it,
but in his view, whatever he felt needed to be done, maybe he can say he can declare victory
and step to the side so that Israel can find a firmer footing on the global stage?
Because I think what is happening, unfortunately, is that that leadership is creating a schism
where it's forcing us to make very difficult decisions. You know, I don't know if you've been
watching, but America versus Europe is sort of following along these lines as well about what's
happening. I think it's very complicated and it's super concerning, but I think if I could tell
people that are watching, please think about whether you're actually anti-Israel or anti-Jew
or whether you're just very frustrated with Bibi, and I think that's a very reasonable claim to
have, but I would encourage you to not project that onto Jews, particularly Jews in America,
Jews at large, or Israelis at large. These are, by and large, incredible human beings and people.
And you can be upset with a leader, and that's allowed, and I think that that's reasonable,
and there's enough fodder there where, you know, you cannot be super happy with Bibi.
But I would just try to make that distinction, because it needs to be made.
It's a little more than Bibi, because I'd be thrilled to see Bibi go. I think he's done so
much harm, and you look at the tens of thousands of civilians dead in Gaza, among one thing,
and then he started it again in Beirut. He seems very determined to clear the deal that Trump
struck to end this war, so that's all bad. But it's beyond him, because the AIPAC thing is real,
too. And it's not just AIPAC. I've been a critic of CAIR for many, many, many years. By the way,
no one ever gave me a hard time over that, but you become a critic of AIPAC, and you get flooded
with trolls in your ex account. But these foreign lobby groups, I mean, these groups that are
lobbying basically on behalf of a foreign country and their interests, and AIPAC is, I mean, they
are like NRA level in terms of their influence and control, and how ubiquitous they are, and
how many politicians they've touched with their money. Now, that predates Bibi, and it'll go on
after Bibi, and that's something people hold against Israel. Stop. Stop with the constant
interference in our politics. You're bringing up a really important historical example when you
make the comparison of AIPAC to NRA. In what way? Both of those organizations were incredibly
sophisticated. They had huge ground games. They had an incredible fundraising apparatus.
But what happened ultimately to the NRA? It became an organization—sorry about that, Megan—focused
on its own power more than it was focused on advancing, you know, gun rights necessarily.
How do we know that? Because of what ultimately then happened in the NRA. Issues of fraud or
issues of corruption, and then the dismantling of the NRA that's happened now. So what I would say
is AIPAC is probably no different than any large organization, which is you start with a virtuous
mission, right? You think that you're fundraising on behalf of something virtuous. And I just think
human nature has demonstrated that beyond a certain amount of influence and capital,
these types of organizations tend to fold itself inward and lose the script. I think if you want
to criticize AIPAC, again, fair enough. I think there's probably enough material there to point to.
And again, I would just say the same thing, not to be repetitive, but that is so different than
Jews and Israelis. So great, you can put, you know, AIPAC and its operations under scrutiny.
I think it's fair to do that. We can put, you know, Southern Poverty Law Center under scrutiny.
We should do that. NRA has already been under scrutiny. So there are examples here when these
lobby organizations beyond a certain amount of scale lose its way. I think it's fair to critique
AIPAC and see whether that's happened there. I don't know the story well enough to judge, but I
would just say it could have happened, and maybe that's where a lot of people's anger comes from.
Entirely different than an entire class of people or religion. That is just totally different.
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