The Top 10 Healthiest States In America | Mind Pump 2863

Here are the top 10 healthiest states in America. They have the longest lifespans, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, California, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Utah, and New Hampshire. We're gonna talk about why they live the longest. How did Minnesota sneak in there? Let's go. Yeah, that one's the most surprising. The first few, I have a theory on why that is. So do I. Okay, I probably could speculate that because it's got so many lakes. But again, the winters are rough. Okay, so here's what's interesting about the list that I just gave. Yeah, go to the first three, and I think we could break down why the first three. Well, before I do, so here's where this came from, right? So our media team oftentimes will give us ideas on things that they think would be interesting for us to talk about. And one of the ideas Danny brought to me was an article titled the top healthiest states in the U.S. for 2025. Now, anytime I hear that or see that, I wanna look a little deeper. Yeah, like what are the parameters? Exactly. Is it body fat? Is it how long people are living? That's right, that's right. And so I looked at it, and they were ranking this, they were looking at physical activity, smoking rates, air quality, but then they're looking at things like access to healthcare, homicide, like they had like 99 metrics. And so they were basing what they thought the healthiest states were based off these metrics. Now, what I did is I looked up which states people actually live the longest. Because at the end of the day, that's where the rubber meets the road, right? Like what's the actual result? And does it line up with what these authors of this study predicted would be the healthiest states? What they list as the top healthiest states, the top 10, number one was New Hampshire, number two was Massachusetts, number three was Vermont, number four was Connecticut, number five was Utah, number six was Minnesota, then it goes Washington, Maryland, number nine is Hawaii, and number 10 is Rhode Island. There's some crossover there. But you notice how the rankings were different? That seems more off to me. I think your list seems more predictable to me. Well, of course, because it's actual lifespan. It's like how long are people actually living? Oh, so the first list was you. The first list was me looking up how old people live in each state, and then rank them. Give me the first three to five of yours. Of the one that I had? Yeah, yeah, the ones you have. Hawaii, Massachusetts, and New Jersey. Now, Hawaii was number nine on the other list. Massachusetts was number two on the other list, so that one matched up. And then New Jersey, interestingly, didn't even make their top 10. But those are the states where people live the longest. And just for reference, the national average is 77.5 years. Hawaii is 80, Massachusetts 79.8, and New Jersey is 79.6. Now, Hawaii, I'm gonna guess, warm and a lot of walking. I think just that's gonna be the, I mean, and even lifestyle, like island lifestyle. I have family that live, a lot of family, actually, that live over in Kauai, and it's a different lifestyle. It's less stress. There's, I mean. Yeah, the stress. Like work, show up when you can get here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mahalo. Yeah, no, totally. It's very chill. There's no speeding. There's none of that going on. It's very chill vibes. And so that's gotta play a role in just overall stress on the community. Lots of sunshine, a lot of walking, a lot of places. Access to fresh fruit, fresh fish. They've got great cattle there and chicken there. So you've got kind of good access to food. It's funny you say what you said. My friend, Sean, back in the day when I was managing gyms in the heyday at 24 Fitness, he was like a top general manager. This guy used to crush all the time. And they moved him to Honolulu. He's like, do you wanna run a club in Honolulu? I almost transferred. And make it crush, right? I know, I had a similar opportunity. And so he went over there, and I would talk to him. And I'm like, what's it like, dude? Because he turned that club into a mega production. He's like, bro, it's crazy. He's like, dude, my staff shows up at Flip Flops 30, 40 minutes late. Nobody cares. I don't know what's going on over here, dude. Everybody's super chill. So it was super funny. But what I see with the commonalities with some of these, with a lot of these is kind of good weather. Near water. Yeah, I was gonna say, is Florida's not on that list at all? I'm surprised Florida's not on that list. Well, I was like, is it because of the pill mill stuff and people come down there? Like a lot of retirement. Don't forget, Florida's in the South. So you get a lot of, because the top, the worst health states are all, they're all in the South. Well, because like food and culture there is like. Yeah, smoking and food and that kind of stuff. So don't forget that Florida. Life's a little different. Yeah, like I've been to Disney World in Florida. And I know there's people from all over coming there, but you got a lot of people from Florida going to Disney World. Now you go to Disneyland and you see some. It was like meth. Bro, you see some obesity at Disneyland. You go to Disney World and there's like traffic jams with scooters. There's dedicated scooter parking in lanes. It's different. It's definitely different. But one thing I see with a lot of these in common, I think is. Near water, walkable states, right? Like sunshine and probably a lot of physical activity is a part of their lifestyle. Is Massachusetts considered a lot of sunshine? No, some of these are not, but a lot of them are. But I think because it's smaller, I'm sure like there's a lot of more walkable city. That's what I was saying. I think a lot of walkable cities and near water, that has to be positive. Yeah, and there's also a good high education rate and also good healthcare or access to healthcare. Those always play a big role. By the way, I want people to understand this. When you see that the national average is 77 and a long living state is 80, you think, oh, okay, three years or two and a half years. Like what's the big difference? It's actually a big difference. It's not just the time people are alive, but what that doesn't show you is how long people are sick for before they actually pass away. So it's a much bigger, two and a half years. It doesn't sound like a lot, but when you look at like health span, it actually is a lot more than you think. But yeah, I think exercise, access to this culture in some of these states around fitness is one of them. Now what's interesting, I didn't see Colorado in the top 10. I was like, oh. I would've thought California and Arizona would be on there. California is. Oh, California is on there. Number six. Okay, so it is on there. Arizona's not? Arizona was not in the top. So Arizona is, I remember reading an article on this, has more gyms per capita than like any other state. It would be interesting to see if there's a correlate with gyms. You would think? That's why I was surprised Arizona's not on there. Well, yeah, like hiking, and I mean, there's a lot to do there. I mean, besides the desert, the summer's gonna be horrible. What's interesting to me out of all of these is Hawaii, because Hawaii is consistently number one, like for a long time, for a long time. Well, so wouldn't you? They're always the top. Wouldn't you agree then that this just highlights, and we talk about this a lot, just this low-level stress that we all have a lot, and like that's, of all the states, that's probably the most consistent. I don't know anybody who's ever talked about Hawaii being like a stressful area. No, no. It's like, no. I mean, even Honolulu. Yeah, I was gonna say, even their busy places. Yeah, yeah, that's like San Francisco on the beach. It's their city. It still has got chill vibes. Chill. They also have a culture of family in Hawaii, so locals are very family-oriented. My friend Ryan, I don't know if you knew Ryan Junk. He was from Hawaii, and he would talk about this all the time. I had other friends that were from Hawaii who did jiu-jitsu, and they would talk about this all the time, that there was just like this, especially the locals. It's very tight-knit, yeah. Tight-knit, kind of family-oriented, and you see this in the data. When people have good, strong connections to their community and family, they just live longer. They just do better. Some of the states with the highest suicide rates are also the ones where people tend to be the most isolated, and sometimes it's a distance thing or a location thing. I think Wyoming, if I'm not mistaken, has a really high suicide rate. Washington's the highest, isn't it, Doug? No. I don't know. Look up highest suicide rate. Maybe, I think so. Because of the rain. Yeah, Washington is the highest. Look at top 10 states with top 10 states' suicide rates. Yeah, Washington's up there. But family culture, weather, access to fruits, vegetables, and healthy, like fresh food. I think the family and the stressing are the two big, big ones. I mean, really, because everywhere it doesn't have the best diets, so even people eating off the rails a little bit everywhere you go, I'm sure body fat percentage is high there, like everywhere else. But then just community, walking, sunshine, those things have to be it. Ooh, look at this. Top states by suicide rate. Oh, Alaska. I forgot Alaska's higher than Washington. Scroll down, Doug. It goes Alaska, Montana, Wyoming. Oh, wow. New Mexico. Washington didn't even make it. Yeah, those are all the- Okay, you wanna know what's crazy? The super sparse populated states. You know what's crazy about this is that, scroll down a little more, Utah is number six for suicide rate. They're also number nine for longevity. Huh. That's wild. That is weird. That they made it in both ways. Do they count suicides? Wow, I would not have guessed Idaho and Utah on the top six. That's- Yeah. Or Colorado. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not familiar with the states too much. What I kind of know about Utah, because I have family, I have a cousin, who's got family over there, is that Utah's kind of like California in the sense that, you know how California's like, you're in one area and it looks like everybody's doing well, and you go to another area and you're like, what is going on? Are we in another planet? I think Utah's kind of like that too, where there's like a high drug rate in certain areas. Use rate. Yeah. And in other areas- Sort of concentrated in certain areas. Yeah. But, you know, just by talking about this- Idaho, I definitely would have thought of that. I know. It's all potatoes, just kidding. I think what you, the thing to take away from this is daily activity. I think what you'll find in a lot of these states is people are relatively active for the most part, either because the culture of the state encourages it, or because of the way the cities are designed. Tends to encourage, in fact, big cities where it's inconvenient to drive tend to have better health, even though their air quality is so bad. I didn't even think, California is the only one that has a blue zone, of all the ones you named. Loma Linda? Yeah. That's the Seventh Day Adventists. Yeah, but it's still in California. Yeah, it is. So that would boost California's numbers. I don't know how many people are in there to make that big of a, California's such a big state. I don't know how much of a skew that's going to be. Well, there was no other ones, were there? I think Loma Linda's the only blue zone in America, if I'm not mistaken. I think you're right. Yeah, but those are the Seventh Day Adventists. I feel like San Diego makes up for most of it, because LA isn't doing too well right now, health-wise. No, no, not true. Yeah, you would think LA and San Francisco would bring numbers way down. Yeah, bring it down quite a bit. You would think they would. Yeah. Also, buy any MAPS 15-style program. Get any other MAPS 15-style program for free. Go to maps15bogo.com. Here comes a show. But I mean- Although San Francisco probably counters, because it's a walking city, so there's a lot of walking going on that probably counters. So that's a great point. I have family that lived in San Francisco back and forth, and they're like, dude, it's so crazy how easy it was for me to stay kind of fit, and I didn't go to the gym. You actually don't see, so when you walk San Francisco, I was just there last weekend, when you walk the streets and you go, probably just went to a big play thing, and there was lots of people. You actually don't see a lot of obesity. No. You don't. Not like you see it in- You're not walking up hills. Just a lot of poop. Thanks just to see it everywhere. Needles, stuff like that. But I mean, no, really, you're, in fact, I would say I'd see a smaller percentage of obesity walking San Francisco than I do. Now, there's a bit of a bias there, right? So the people that are probably obese there are probably not walking the streets. No. You know? No. At one point, I was really interested in this kind of data, and we have this idea with longevity that workouts, scheduled workouts, are what is best for longevity. It's actually not. Now, scheduled workouts are good, so I'm not saying they're bad, and certain workouts have more of a protective effect in relation to the time that you spend doing them. Like, strength training is one of those things. You don't need to spend a lot of time strength training to receive a longevity protective effect from it. Everything from insulin sensitivity, mitochondrial health, you know, a little bit of a metabolic boost, which helps with excess calorie consumption, strength, which helps with mobility. And you don't need to do a lot of it. Like, if the average person did a couple days a week, literally, in doing strength training, the protective effect that you get from just a couple hours a week outweighs any other kind of workout you would do for the same amount of time. That being said, if you want to move for longevity, it's daily. It's daily, and it's throughout the day. So it's not like, yeah, I do a couple workouts a week, or I work out once in the morning, and then the rest of the day I do nothing, which is what it looks like for fit people. People who are fitness-minded, oftentimes what it looks like for them is they do one workout most days, but then the rest of the day they're sitting. Such a great conversation, and I mean, probably would ruffle some feathers that there's some arguments to be made that some of the most impressive physiques that we might see are not the most healthiest in terms of longevity when you compare to some of these people. Like, their health markers might not be what you think. Yeah, no, like you're saying. I mean, you might train at the gym five days a week for an hour, hardcore, but then you sit all day long, and you're good about measuring your macros, and so. Way better than nothing. Oh, yeah, but again, not. It's protective, but it's not. But, I mean, we would look at somebody maybe who walks 15, 20,000 steps every single day, gardens every day. No, the longest living. Maybe once a week they lift some weight, so they do a lot of body calisthenic type stuff. You might look at that body and go like, come on, they're not that. But they are arguably healthier. In terms of longevity. Especially if it's outdoor gardening, walking, doing stuff like that. I will never, this was such a paradigm, just crushing moment for me as a, I was 19, went to Sicily to visit, to be with my family, my dad's side, and my mom's side, too. She's got some family there. And I remember we went to visit either one of my cousins or my aunts, I didn't know her very well, but she was like, I think she was 80. She was almost 80, or she was 80. And we went to visit her, and she lived in this really old town in Sicily, okay? And when I say old town, it's like, the roads were made for horses. So there were roads you can't drive through. Or some of them, in the tiny car that we had, you'd fold the rear viewing windows to the sides because you're going to drive by, and people, if they're outside, had to go inside or stand up against the wall to let you through. So this is what the roads look like. And there were roads you couldn't go through. So we get to it, we park at the bottom of this hill. We walk up this old cobblestone road. And I mean, I'm 19 years old, I work out or whatever. And I'm huffing, I'm like, oh my God, where does she live? We walk all the way up, then we get to the bottom, to the door, she buzzes us in, we open the door, and then we go up three flights of stairs. And then we're where she lived, in this tiny little apartment by herself, a widow. And she was so functional, could do whatever. And I remember I'm looking at her, I'm like, how does she live alone? Who brings her her groceries, how does this work? And so we left, I was talking to my dad about it, and I'm like, how does she live here? He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, how does she do everything? She goes, she does it herself. I'm like, she walks down the flight of stairs and goes down this hill and comes up this hill every single day. He goes, she does it probably twice a day, every day. She goes, this is where she goes to the market. She gets her food, she goes down. She goes down to meet with her friends at the piazza every single day, a couple days a week. This is just what she does. There's no elevator, and she was like 80. And so for people listening, you don't live in a situation, if you don't probably live in a city, if you're listening in a modern, like America in particular, where this is just part of your life. And so if you want longevity, it's like, I guess- And Europe has it all kind of still structured like that. So yeah, they get that a lot, yeah. But I think one of the things you do is just, you gotta, this sounds stupid, but it's super, this is what the data shows, do a lot of little walks all day long. So simple, so basic, but you throw in a little bit of strength training and you've got it covered. Well, I mean, this is what's reframed the way that I look at even chores and stuff around my house. I know if you've been listening to the podcast- It makes it more enjoyable, right? Yeah, I mean, there was a time where, we've talked about this, if you go far enough back, where I made a big argument for outsourcing that to buy more time with family and stuff like that. And there's a part of that I can get behind for sure, because I still utilize that to an extent, but not so much now where I go like, you know what though? Like, this is a big part of me staying active. And like, so I look at it completely different now. It's just like, I need to do this activity for my health and longevity. It's like, I outsource all that activity, then I become more sedentary. If I'm more sedentary, then I don't live long enough. And if I'm claiming that it's for this time with my family and stuff like that, what good am I if I'm unhealthy and not living long? And so, it's like, okay, there is a balance of- It also makes it more valuable, which makes it probably more enjoyable. Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Because like, I'm not just doing this because I need to clean the house. Yeah, yeah. I'm also doing this because it's good for me. Yes, yeah. And it makes you more present. It reframes it, for sure. It's funny, like, I've been slowly affected by Courtney's passion for gardening. And it's like, I've been avoiding it, because it's like, you know, it's gardening. You know, it's not that exciting to talk about. It's for old people. You can't tackle your plants. Yeah, but now I'm like, I keep getting drawn in, and like, it's just explaining the process and like, all these different, well, there's this show on Netflix now, it's funny, with Zach Galifianakis, and it's only like, they're like 15-minute shorts, but it just, he's kind of like, in a kind of a really funny way, educating, using kids and stuff to kind of describe the process, but like, going to farms and kind of like, explaining their process and showing, he's like, the future's egalitarian, and he's like, trying to show all these like, things you can do to be self-sustainable and like, all this stuff. And it's really interesting, and that was like, on the nose, was like, the whole apple, like, tasty apples. You can't get tasty apples without really grafting one to the other plant. Otherwise, you'll never get like, a good tasty apple. It's like, always going to be kind of bitter. Yeah. I didn't know that. You know, as we're talking about this, too. Oh, that's why like, fresh apples are typically like, kind of a sour taste. Is that why? Because you have to cross-breed them in order to get- You have to cross-breed them, yeah. To get that flavor. For them to be tasty, yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I was like, with all of them? I mean, we had- And they're like, yeah, all of them. Yeah, we had apple trees at one of my houses when I was a kid, and I remember how like, sour they were in comparison to like, the grocery store apples. I never really actually thought about that, or knew why. But I tripped out, because like, yeah, and then, and they're describing like, the tomatoes and like, oh my God, they taste so, and I've experienced that. Now, that's what started to pull me in, was because I talked to you guys, like, the carrots, like, they taste completely different. The tomatoes taste like nothing I've ever had. Totally different. It's just like, yeah, you're not gonna get that unless you literally cultivate it, so. That's awesome. As we're talking, too, I'm thinking to myself, the other downstream effects of living in a town, like the one I described, she did live alone, but just the simple act of going and walking through the town, and walking to the store, and she's not alone. Yeah. She's got community. She sees people every single day. Yeah. People who say, hide her all the way down. Yeah, so like, I make it a point when I'm at home with the kids, that I always try to do activities with them that require that I take them on a long walk to get there, because that's for me. The long walk's for me. Put them in a stroller. I have one of those double strollers with the like, jogging strollers. And I'll put them in there, and I'll just, okay, we're gonna go to this place, or we're gonna go to the store. And I make sure it's, I try to pick like, long walks. And almost every time I see people, and we say hi to each other, we're just around people, rather than like, being just by yourself the whole time. So that's gotta be another plus. Do you think that makes a comeback? I think it's starting to shift in that direction. I hope so. I mean, again, I'm always like, I question like, our bubble. Yeah, I know. Because we talk about it. You kind of hope for it, but yeah. It's a priority for us. It's something you're trying to foster. So it's like, hey, it feels like it's making a comeback. Is it though? Because obviously, we're moving more disconnected, and more digital, and all this stuff. I was just talking to a guy yesterday. He's in his 30s. And I was talking to him about dating. And I asked him about dating apps. And he's like, no, I'm sick of them. I'm like, why? He's like, it's not real. He's like, you're putting up this, like, this is who, you know, and then this other person, you're picking out, like, you're going through a catalog. You're creating an identity. He's like, and I've heard more and more people say that, about the dating apps, that they're just like, done with them, because of that whole process. It's crazy that we all miss that. Yeah. Thank God. I mean, yeah, but it needs to be able to, nice to be able to talk about it from experience. I was on eHarmony once. Like, I have no experience with it, at all, zero. Don't know what it's like to make a profile, swipe right. You guys never did that one time? Never. I did it one time. You did? Yeah. I didn't know that. eHarmony, one date. No way, how are you not? God, this guy. -------, we've known each other for 20 years. It never came up. Bro. How's it gonna come up? I'm gonna randomly ask him. Yeah, you're right. What else can we ask this guy? We've talked about dating apps a thousand times. There was plenty of opportunity for you to share a story, where you go, by the way, guys. We have to think about. Every question I ask this guy, bro. I know. Yeah. Have you killed anyone? Have you ever been stabbed by a crackhead? Have you ever killed anyone that you had to ask that? I'll have to think about that, but. So what happened? Yeah, no. So this was obviously before you were with him. Yeah, it was before I was married. Yeah, this is gonna be a weird confession, like she's gonna listen to you later. It was last year. Yeah. It's really awkward. No, it was actually, the irony of it was kind of funny, because, well, I'll get to that, but. So yeah, I was at my parents. I was living at my parents, and I was still working at 24 Hour Fitness. Okay, so this is when you worked for me. Yeah, so I was commuting to work. At Santa Teresa or Hillsdale? How early is it? Hillsdale. Oh, this is early, early. Yeah, this is early. Actually, no, I take that back, because I met Courtney at Santa Teresa. So yeah, it was Santa Teresa, but I hadn't moved yet. And so I was like, kind of in limbo. And my parents, at that point, were trying to set me up with people. And the one best friend I had growing up, their parents and my parents have always tried to connect us. And I was like, no, she was like a sister to me. You know? Yeah, yeah. I was like, ugh. And it sucked, because she was into me, and it got weird. I'm like, no, I just gotta do this myself. You know? I gotta get out there. And so it was like dial-up. Back then, I think, it was like really slow internet. And so it was like the very inception of the whole- Early days. Yeah, very early days of it. And you fill out this long form. Dude, like forever. And they tried to make it different in that they wanted to get to all your core values, like your morals, blah, blah, blah, like all that kind of stuff. What was your profile pick? I just picked the hush chick. No, what was your profile pick? What'd you use? And we'll get back to what you did. With a fish? No. Come on. With a guitar. You had a football helmet? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Guitar, football helmets in the back. Come on, what'd you do? Your truck? What'd you do? I had to think about it. Come on. Oh, you know what it was? What was it? I could probably find it. It was like when I was in my rockabilly phase. Oh, I can picture it. I know what picture it is. Yeah, you probably do. It's like black and white. Black and white. Yes, I know what picture it is. Bro, that's a winner. I had like my, yeah, it was- That's a different, for you to pick that, because that's just a part of you, in my opinion. Oh, it was like a very small face. That's right, that's like a small part of you, so like to use that as like- He's like, I'm hot. That's what it is. Well, I just thought, I liked it because it was like, again, the portrayal, the person that you're like, oh yeah, I thought it was like, I looked kind of cool like that, you know? But I'd never rock that, you know? Like I had a full-on like pompadour and everything, and I had, yeah, it was like a country-western kind of shirt. I remember the pic. Yeah, so anyway, yeah. So I put that out there and like, I was going through the, I think I finally matched up with somebody, you know, the next day, and it was like, I had a few to look, and I connected with her, and then we ended up going to like Dave & Buster's, and like set this whole thing up, and she lived like far, it was at the like Milpitas area, kind of like at the far end, and so I was like, oh, this is, she lives far, and I was like, this is gonna work out, but then we ended up going and having a good time, and I felt bad, because like I was like, she's a really nice girl, you know, all this stuff, but while we're sitting there, I got a text message from Courtney, and like she was like, oh, hey, you know, I'm at Mount Charlie's, woo, like come hang out, and I'm like, because she had been ghosting me at this point, because I gave up on her, because I was pursuing her so hard before this, and then was just like, you know what, whatever, dude. She came in in the nick of time. Just literally, dude. She could have lost you. Was this girl good enough? We even kissed. Was it? We kissed. You and your date? Dave Buster's? Oh, wow, so if you were a rich chick, you would have ran it back. Yeah. Oh, wow. But then. What'd you say, Adam? What'd he say, dude? Come on, bro. Like another date, you're not saying anything. Yeah, that's right, man. Okay. That's right, man. Okay, but what do you think I meant? Oh, that's what you meant, dude. No, bro, I meant like. Hey, I don't know the legal. Yeah, dude. I never dated. I meant go, I mean, another date. Oh, okay, okay. That does sound pretty bad, but I knew what you were saying. Yeah, I was just saying, he was on the same page. I'm just going on another date, but yeah. And I was like, oh, man. And my whole like thought process just shifted immediately with her. And I. Wait, hold on. Did you kiss her after the text or before the text? No, I kissed her right before. Well, I got a text that was just like, hey, what's up? And it was just kind of like. Where do you make out at Dave and Buster's? Outside the parking lot. Cause she had to leave from there. And I left. I've just been there before. Well, it's not a lot of places to make out. I was telling kids. Yeah, I know. Who goes on a date? It just isn't for the basketball hoops. Who goes on a date and doesn't close the deal? Some kid's like, hey man, it's my turn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we're just gonna hug awkwardly, you know, like. Wow. So, okay, you make out with this chick. How do you make out? Well, I mean, you kissed her. Okay, so you kiss this chick. How do you, how do you let her down that you're not gonna return her date? Cause she thinks she's getting a second date. You ghosted her, bro. No, I didn't actually. That was before ghosting was a thing. Yeah, yeah. No, like I was still kind of like conflicted cause I didn't know how serious Courtney was. And so I was like still like, you know, talking to her. And then, you know, I went home and she was like, oh, like all excited to do another date. And I was like, well, we'll see. Wow, dude, wow. And then I came clean. I was like, you know, I gotta come clean. Like I've been pursuing this girl for a while. Like you were honest. Yeah, you're a good guy, dude. No, but Adam dated both of them. Terrible way. I would definitely be honest like that. He was like ripping the band-aid, dude. I was too, Justin. And still dated both of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that might be true. Here's the deal. I really like you too, though. I gotta test you both out. I don't want to put Adam in a mess right now. Whenever he gets a rose. When he gets a rose. So you had to let her down. Yeah, I had to let her down. She was pretty cool about it. She was crushed, I bet. Crushed. Yeah, she, I mean, she understood, but yeah, you could tell she was like super, super bummed. And like, yeah, I did feel really bad about it because I totally let her on. Like, and I was like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna hang out again. Well, yeah, you kissed on the first date. Of course you let her on. But yeah, it was whatever. So, okay, so then Courtney, you go meet up with her. How much short laughter? Like did you guys go on your first date or are you still not even sure with her? She's like. Yeah, so that took a little bit of effort. Did she just crack the door? You were like, the door's finally cracked. Yeah. He's like. Took a few weeks after that, I think. And then I finally got a date with her and then our first date was like, Hills Have Eyes. Like the worst movie you can take like a date. Oh my God, that's a terrifying movie. She picked it, dude. And I'm like, I wanted to walk out. Do you know they've done studies on that? That horror movies cause physiological arousal in women when they're with their date. So they might not have. Well, I was banking on that, so. Yeah. Justin's like, this is the only reason why I'm sitting through this torturous movie right now. But it was so messed up. Like it ruined the whole vibe. There was no like romantic feeling. I'm such an anti-scary guy that that would kill it for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, this is not going to work. If you want to do this on our first date, this is not going to work. I was like, oh, she's going to get scared. Yeah. Wow, that's a cool story, dude. So yeah. I can't believe you did that. You never told us. Speaking of which, I got a. My only date. We got a DM. I think it was a Mind Pump Media page. It might've been the Mind Pump Media page. Someone DM'd us and they're like, I can't believe that you guys advertise with Ashley Madison. I'm so disappointed. But we don't advertise with them. And so we got to set the record straight. We almost don't want to bring attention to it again. We talked about this because McDonald's was on the front of one of our things one time. It's not like we partnered with McDonald's. Spotify. It's Spotify, right? That's what it does. It goes through Libsyn. Yeah, there's actually two. We have Spotify and Libsyn. They both have their own ads. So they add their own ads in front of our podcast if you listen to them. Same with YouTube. Yeah, YouTube. We don't choose any of those. We are not, there's no connection to Ashley Madison or McDonald's. Our ads are when it comes out of our mouth. Yes. Because we do not advocate for that terrible, horrible, just family-destroying site. That's not something we support at all. But I want to- I didn't even know that's what that was until you said that. And by the way- You have a huge data breach. Yeah, I thought it was furniture. I didn't even know it was still a business. You thought Ashley Madison was furniture? Oh, just hearing it, it sounds like a furniture store. There is an Ashley Furniture store. No, it's a freaking site for people to cheat on their spouses. That's an actual dating site. There was a whole documentary on them because they got busted, remember? Yeah, they're still around. That's crazy. They had a huge, didn't it leak? All their stuff leaked out and people got found out and everything. People were getting divorced. Oh my God. Have you guys heard the stories of couples that go on Ashley Madison? Like they're trying to like cheat on each other and then they link up with each other. No. Yes, no. Oh my God, that would be hilarious. How do you get mad? You can't. Like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah, yeah. Oh crap. That's a whole nother conversation. Yeah, what do I say? Hey, well, does it bring them closer? God, we're kind of alike, you know? Why don't we just pretend? Yeah. What a dysfunctional. I mean, that's like- I'm just gonna treat you as a stranger from now on. Oh God. Wow. I know, terrible. Have you ever known anybody who's done that? Ashley Madison? Yeah, who's used it? No, no. I don't think anybody would tell anybody. Yeah, yeah. That's probably a big secret. That'd be something to advertise. Like, hey bro, I know you know my wife and kids, but I met some chick on Ashley. Come on, people tell you. Maybe, maybe not dudes. Chicks definitely tell each other. That they do stuff like that? Yes. Maybe. Of course. Tell your girl. That's a good question. I wonder, yeah. If like, I bet you women, more likely the men would tell their friends. Yeah. I mean, you're a perfect example of who, you know, we just found out you did eHarmony after nothing wrong with that. You took 20 years to tell us. I wonder, I gotta think of weird questions. I know, that's what I said. Like, I'm gonna make a list when I go home of like all the things I need to ask Justin. Yeah. Well, I guess. I mean, you guys missed the boat for online dating. Well, we've talked about online dating so many times. It's like, if I had done it one time, I would have shared the opportunity. I would have been like, oh, you know, I tried it one time. I feel like I brought it up, but it just got blazed over, so. Oh, you only, that's your default move now, bro. This is like, you know, I did talk about it. You guys talked so much, we didn't hear it. I know, stop talking about yourself. That's how I protect myself. Justin, Doug, have you ever done a dating site? I did, I have, yeah. I do have. What's your experience on it? He's old now, too. Well, Rachel, that's how I met Rachel, actually. Oh, you met Rachel that way? Yeah. I did not know that. That was right, 2020, in the heart of COVID. It was like, you know. So you're a success story. I am a success story, I guess you'd say. Yeah. Doug, wow. Are you on, were you on multiple ones, or one? No, just the one. What was the one you were on, He Harmony? I think that's the one I was on. Was it Plenty Fish? No, I didn't do that. I just did the one. Too lazy, you know, creating those profiles. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work trying to get on those things. Did you do any failed dates before, Rachel? No, Farmers Only. I think I've gone on, I went on a couple others, yeah. That you didn't tell us about? Well, why would I tell you? I mean, honestly. So we can tell the whole world. Well, I was going to, yeah, exactly. I was just between us, you guys. Justin and I. It's just us here, I won't tell anybody. Justin and I share that we're like, okay, we kind of keep our private life to ourselves, you know, that's kind of why we don't share every little detail. Do you guys tell each other stuff? No. We don't even. We have a separate, we have a separate text thread. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's a secret. No, I think I went on a couple of them. The thing says, don't tell Sal and Adam. Half of it is them complaining about us. Talk so much. While we're talking, they're texting each other. No, I don't, like this, I don't talk that much in real life, like, so this is all normal. Yeah, you don't, you're not that quiet though. I don't know why you say that. It's not like you don't talk. No, I'm not, I just, you know, I like, I like listening and engaging when it's appropriate. Well, you know, it goes along with your strength. You have a really good discernment. You really do. You have like gifted discernment for people. Because Justin's almost. He listens so well, that's why. I think, well, as I said, it goes along with it. He listens so well. You know how many times we've met people and Justin's like, I don't really know about that guy, whatever, it turns out they're dirtbag and he picks up on it, yeah. You'd be good too if you listened. You just don't listen, huh? Oh yeah. Exactly. What'd you say? I feel like you'd have a radar, dude, you just don't listen. How many times do I go, Sal, Sal, this is for you. Sal, we're talking to you. Justin's just as good at listening. You just gotta say peptide in front of him. Hey, speaking of peptides and stuff, so Caldera Lab, so their products, they sent us this, they have five peptides that they work with in many of their products. And then they use the natural botanicals. And I looked up some of the botanicals that are in their products. Doug listed them here, which is pretty cool. And I'd like you to look some of these up, Doug. Okay. So one of them is spilanthes, which I've never heard of. That's for wrinkles. Plants stem cells for free radical damage. I'm familiar with that. Astragalus root for tightness. Snow mushroom for hydration. Elderflower for skin tone. And then there's fireweed for healing and for balance. I'm not familiar with spilanthes, Doug. Fireweed and snow mushroom. Can you imagine having to go forage for this stuff? It's like you'd be all over the world. Impossible, impossible. Yeah, so it contains something called spilanthal, which is interestingly a local anesthetic. Wow. Yeah, it's good for oral health. It has medicinal properties such as anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial, immune-stimulating properties. And in cosmetics, it's referred to as the natural Botox. Oh, wow. Due to its ability to relax facial muscles and reduce the appearance of fine lines. Oh, wow. Yeah. They crush it. And that, wait, was that, that's a peptide or that's something else? No, no, no, these are all plants. These are all herbs and plants. And then they pair that with some peptides. They add peptides. You know what's crazy I learned about retinol? So retinol is one of the most popular common ingredients in like skin products. Do you know what retinol does? It dramatically increases cell turnover. So in other words, it helps kill cells on the surface to get new ones to produce. So this is why one of the side effects of retinol is like dryness, irritation, sun sensitivity. So retinol can make you sensitive to the sun where you burn easier. Because your top layer's gone. Yeah, but the stuff that they're using, Keldera Labs, excuse me, works with your natural skin. So I've noticed with, like I always use the example of me and Justin because we have such different skin, right? Mine is more oily. His is more dry. We both use this serum, which is an oil, which I would expect to work well for dry skin. I would expect it would make me too oily. It doesn't. It actually balances me out. And it does the same thing to you. We should rebrand that somehow. Like you're Equator and I'm like North. Equator skin. That's the, the serum is the good. That's the good. Yeah, that's my favorite. Yeah, dude. That stuff's amazing. I told you guys, my cousins, when they came to the Christmas party, they got the gift bags where we included it. None of them are like skincare. We're all dudes, right? Now all of them, they've seen the text thread. They're like, oh, I can't believe I used stuff. It converted us. Yeah, dude. So anyway, the Hydro Layer is what I've been using a lot lately as well. The Hydro Layer is the cream. The cream. Yes, yes. I actually need some more. And it works really, really well. I just ran out of mine. I got to tell you guys, dude, about what Aurelius said to Jessica the other day. What? Just, you know, so he's in this phase right now, he's five. He's in this- Such a fun phase. So he's in this phase where he idolizes me, which I got to tell you, not you, you guys, you know this. You guys both know this. Yep. As a dad, when your kid, especially your son idolizes you, it's such a wonderful feeling. Does it get better than that? It doesn't. They just think you're awesome. And then they want to do it. They want to be like you, you know? So he says things like, hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? I want to work at Mind Pump. You know, he says stuff like that. And he makes, he'll steal her phone and he'll record videos of himself. And every video, he'll get on there. He makes this funny face. He flexes and then he goes, you know, my name is Aurelius and I work at Mind Pump. I make muscles. And he does this thing. Anyway, you know what he told her? Yeah. He said, he goes, mom, can I ask you a question? She's like, yeah. He's like, am I looking muscular? And she's like, why? And he goes, I've been bodybuilding. Can you tell? She's like, I think so. What is he doing? He's watching you, bro. I gotta ask him, like, what does he think bodybuilding is? That's so awesome. What is he doing? I love when they're like that, Max is still there. Katrina's always trying to change it. She's just like, what do you want to do? Because he wants to do what I want to do. He likes the foods that I like and I love it. You know, she'll be like, well, what do you want to do, Max, for this? And he'll be like, I want to do what daddy wants to do. Yeah, yeah. Katrina's like, well, what do you want to do? I want to do that. That's what I want to do. That's what he wants to do? Yeah, yeah. I'm always getting his back. Hey, let him do it. He wants to do it. I want to do it, too. It's the best feeling. I was watching the other day on the, we have a, what is it, like a nanny cam? And he was having trouble going to bed. He's going through this little phase where he's getting, like, scared at night. And so Jessica tries to, you know, encourage him and leave. Well, anyway, one of these nights, he just kept saying he was scared. So she reluctantly, because it's late, you're tired, and she always does a good job with this, but she's like, oh, okay. So she went down there, and she'll sit next to his bed until he falls asleep. And he's so, so I was watching it on the camera, and he's so funny. He's sitting there, laying there, and he sits up, and he goes, mom, I just want you to know you're the best mom in the world. Thank you so much for doing this. And I could just see her just, oh, it's worth it. You get a snicker bar for saying that. It's so worth it. When you hear that. We still let Max come in. I'm like, telling Katrina, I'm like, we're probably getting close to her. We're gonna have to stop that pretty soon here, because he's- He'll just come in your bed? Yeah, he comes. So our rule is that he goes to bed, he stays in bed, and in the morning time, he can come in. And morning is sometimes five in the morning, six in the morning, it's early like that. But he can climb in at that time. Does he go back to sleep? Oh, yeah. Oh, good. Oh, yeah, that's part of the rule. Otherwise, we'll be like, if you're gonna be up, you go play in your room. It's five o'clock in the morning, you can't stay. And he will sometimes. Sometimes he'll stay up, and he'll go play and entertain himself for the next two hours, whatever. But we've let him come in. And I still, I lay with him every night. So it's almost seven years straight where, I mean, I just remind myself that like- It's gonna end at some point. Yeah, at one point, he's not gonna want me to do this. And so I'm gonna gobble it up for as long as I can. There reaches a point, where I know you've done this already, Justin, because you've got teenagers where you're like, hey, buddy, do you wanna do this thing? Like, no, I'm gonna go do something else. Right. And it's like, there's like this switch that happens. It's supposed to happen. But there's a PC that goes, oh, no. Yeah, that's before he dies. Oh, of course. And every dad buddy of mine I know that's told me that, I remind myself of that. Like, I'm gonna not get this. Not to mention, at least for me, this is this way, some of the best conversations, because he wants to stay awake, right? So it's when he becomes the most talkative or shares the most is laying in bed. So I love to come lay in bed with him because then he'll tell me stuff that he wouldn't have told me. During the day, he's playing, he's doing his thing. How was school? Oh, it was fine. What'd you do? Oh, nothing, he has nothing to share. But laying in bed, when it's time to go to sleep, and you're supposed to be sleeping, then he'll tell me all about his day and all the things he learned and conversations. Yeah, so I'm like, you know what, this is so worth it. I remind myself, because what he'll do, Dahlia's still too young, but I'm sure she'll hit this phase, but he's at a stage where he'll just ask me question after question after question. And I find myself getting a little tired. Then I remind myself, but his questions are hilarious. He's like, I'm going on a walk, on those long walks. Hey, Papa, yeah? And he goes, can I have a Sleepy Dart gun? I'm like, what? No, you can't have it. Well, why not? And I'm like, well, I think they're illegal for people to own. He goes, but they use them on animals. I'm like, yeah, if you shoot an elephant with a Sleepy Dart gun, how long will it take for them to fall asleep? And then he just turns into this cycle. He just watched Zootopia or what? He did. Maybe that's where he got it from. It is from that. Oh, gosh. Because you only got to put that together. Because Max asked about the same thing. Sleepy Dart? That's what I know about that. He asked if they were real. He's like, Daddy, are those real? I was like, he didn't watch old school, did he? No, no. No, it's from Zootopia. In Zootopia, they make that, I don't know if it's part one or part two, but one of the Zootopias, that's what he's shooting the animals with. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, with the Sleepy Darts. Oh, God, he would put that together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he probably, yeah. And he loves to ask. Because Max asked all about that, too, and I'm like, have you explained what it was? Did you get those versus books for him? The what? Animal versus books? You know what? I don't think I ever got those. Oh, you gotta get them, dude. I ordered them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You totally made me, or I forgot all about it until you just said that. We got all of them. Yeah. They're crazy, Justin. They're like, who wins in a fight? And it pairs the animals against, a king cobra versus a lizard. He loves that conversation. They're great books, and you go through and you read about, and then the battle at the end, you have to guess who wins. Oh, that's even better. Yeah, we did that with videos on YouTube for a while. Oh, you watched real ones? Yeah. Oh, no, no, this is pretend. I can't get him to watch, so, oh man, I did this, speaking of the thing. So, did I send this to you guys, that wasp, and I think it's South Africa, was it? Oh, the one that grabbed the tarantula? Yeah, it's a- Bro, there is a wasp, and I think it's South America? Yeah. Okay, so it grabbed- On the pain meter, it's like number two, I believe, to the bullet. So, listen to what this thing does. Tarantula hawk. Yes, it's a tarantula hawk. It's a wasp, and it's a good size one, and it's carrying a big tarantula up. It's flying with it? No, it's, yeah, oh, it's carrying it up like it's walking, and so it stings the back of the tarantula, and the tarantula can't move, so it totally paralyzes the spider. Then it carries it up, and then it cocoons it alive, and then burrows its young, lays its eggs inside the spider while it's alive, and then so its young can eat it. And then the young eat every organ that's not vital, so they eat everything that keeps it alive as long as possible until the very end. That's a, that's terrifying. Is that not the most terrifying thing you've ever heard? I've never heard that before, or seen this thing before. Imagine if we had a predator just stalking us like that to do something horrible. Cocoons you alive, then puts its children in you to eat you alive, that is wild. So, the fact that it's a spider, that's okay. So, yeah, I know, I'm like all for it. All the video was showing was the wasp carrying the spider up a thing, and so I was showing Max. I'm like, dude, check this out. And he's like, he doesn't like watching video. And I'm like, it doesn't do anything scary. I'm just showing you. But it's like looking like this. Yeah, so that night, he has a nightmare about getting stung by a wasp. Oh! That's what I get laid into. I say, you know he doesn't like stuff like that. Why are you showing him? I'm like, it didn't have anything scary. It was literally a wasp and a spider in nature. Yeah, dude, he does not like videos like that. Of course, he had a nightmare. Katrina had to explain to him, those don't exist over here in California. You don't have to worry about those wasps. The wasps that we have aren't like that. It's just like, oh, God. I forget his name. It's like Cody Peterson or something. He has like a YouTube channel that he's like. He's the guy that stings himself? Yeah, yeah. You test him out? He tests out on the pain scale like every one of those bites, like personally. And then he's like, it just bit me. And he like isolates it and he shows it growing. And then the next day, what it looks like, and I'm like, dude, this guy, he needs like a Nobel Prize or something. Yeah. But like, it's all for nature. He's not doing it just, I mean, obviously he's gonna get a lot of views because we all just want to see him get like stung. I don't know if I can watch that. That's why. Oh, it was gnarly. I mean, after I saw that and I read what it does, I'm like, I don't think I know of anything more vicious or like bad than, like what other animal does something? And I know there's. There's, what is it? Is it a praying mantis? Yeah. That they'll mate and cut and then snap the other person's head off. It eats the head off. Yeah, they're done. I'll take that all day long over injecting your children into me to eat my insides out. I mean, does it get worse than that? Yeah, there's insects. There's other insects that do that kind of stuff. Really? Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I'd never read anything like that before. And I was like, I had to like, I dug deeper. Cause I'm like, this can't be true. This is really what happens. And you're, it was like everything you said. It was like, they literally, not only do they do that, but then they eat the organs that keep it alive. Conscious. And you're trapped. Like, please just snap my neck. I would much rather just kill me. Like that's gotta be the worst, right? I think there's a tribe somewhere that uses bullet ants as a coming of age. They put on gloves. It's a glove. They put on these like wicker gloves filled with bullet ants. And it's like, as a boy becomes a man, he has to withstand it. And they stand there and let these ants sting the crap out of them. It's the most painful thing that there is. And you're not supposed to like yell or cry. Look at the picture of the dude, just wearing the glove and just letting them just bite his hands. I wonder how long they have to do that for. I forgot, but. Oh my gosh. I know, I know. Yeah, and there's some hornets and you know. 10 minutes. Oh God, hey, quick, real quick. We're like 45. They cause paralysis, hallucinations and days of shaking. Oh God. All right, listen. You have to do that 20 times. Maybe our next YouTube. No, I gotta ask you guys. We're about 45 minutes in. I gave you ketone IQ at the beginning of the podcast. What do you guys feel? Always more clear. It's wild, right? Sharp, yeah. Isn't it wild? It's like the best thing. I mean, I like that I can have it with my caffeine too. Yeah, because there's no caffeine in it. It's the best. I mean, I use it and I notice every time I take one of their shots of ketones, it takes about 20 minutes or so. And I just feel really sharp. You'll do up to three in a day. I haven't done that yet. Yeah, I'll do one in the morning, one at lunch and sometimes I'll do one before I leave. So ketones themselves are a bit neuroprotective, right? Yeah. Yeah, because I've recommended this to my friend recently because he had like an unfortunate stroke. It was like kind of a random thing, but like, I'm like, this might be- For the brain, it's a really easy, clean source of energy. So your brain just operates really well on ketones and oftentimes mental fog, issues with clarity, where you're like, what's, you know, why do I feel like I'm not that sharp? It's actually the energy systems of the brain. So creatine, that's why creatine helps with that. Creatine, yeah. And then ketones. And because of KetoneIQ, you just take a shot of it instead of having to go on a ketogenic diet. Well, what's cool is that you can get the benefits of going into ketosis without being in ketosis, which is really cool. Yeah, dude, because the ketogenic diet sucks. Well, yeah, you either got to fast for a good 24 plus hours to get into ketosis or you're going to be on a ketogenic diet, which is unbelievably restrictive to get yourself down. As I remember, it took a few days of the ketogenic diet before I actually even fell into ketosis. Because you have to be really, really strict on the carbs. You have to be dialed, yeah. Yeah, and that's just, I mean, that's not a realistic way. But there's all these incredible benefits that we're aware of. So the fact that you can just take a exogenous supplement and then get in there is awesome. It's great. If you want mental clarity, you want athletic performance, you want whatever. Now, do you know how long it, like, because you're not technically getting into ketosis. All you're doing is- You're using up the ketone. You're producing ketone. You're getting the benefits of it. You're not- Okay. Yeah, it lasts hours. You can actually test it. You can get a ketone strip. You could drink ketone IQ, wait 30 minutes, pee on the strip. Oh, you'll, it'll show that you're- Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're in ketosis, like, straight up. You'll measure into a nice- Oh, I didn't know that. You'll get a nice purple color on the- Oh, I didn't- No, on the ketone strip. Oh, that'd be- So you just kind of shift over, prioritize it. You use both. You're using both. But your brain loves ketone. Well, yeah, it loves it because it's- That'd be kind of a cool test is to actually see, use a urine test to see how long that you're still showing that. Yeah, and those strips are cheap. You can buy them on Amazon for eight bucks. No, that'd be, I didn't know that. Oh, interesting. Element, this is an electrolyte powder you can add to your water that gives you the electrolytes you need. Most importantly, it gives you enough sodium. Most electrolyte powders are too low in sodium to make a difference, but not Element. They know the science. 1,000 milligrams, boom. Suddenly, more energy, less headaches, less muscle cramps, less fatigue, better pumps in your workout. It feels amazing. It tastes good. Oh, by the way, no sugar. No artificial sweeteners. Go check them out. Go to drinklment.com forward slash MindPump. That link will get you a free sample pack with any order. Go check them out. First question is from AliMac122. One of your most recent podcasts, the title is Lose Weight After 30, keeps talking about removing processed foods. Can you please clarify what you mean by process? Because pre-washed spinach is processed. Canned and flash-frozen vegetables are processed. Peeled and frozen shrimp are processed. Just curious as to what you all consider is good versus bad in the world of process. All those would be fine. Sal says minimally processed is another way to say it. There's another I've heard people say, which I think is a great way. If it didn't exist 200 years ago, that's an easy way to do it also. All those things that you just listed existed 200 years ago. This is so funny. I had a client once who got in this crazy debate with me. Well, when you say processed, what do you mean? They have to wash the apple. That's like, okay, listen. It's the same thing with bad chemicals and they reduce it down to molecules. No, we're referring to heavily processed foods. These are foods that typically have a lot of ingredients. They're not in their natural form. So like a cookie, there is no cookie tree. You can find flash-frozen vegetables, but those vegetables exist in nature. So minimally processed would be there. But yeah, food that has a long shelf life, but like one or a few ingredients is okay. When we say processed, we're talking about heavily processed foods, foods that are not anywhere near their natural state. Okay, they're foods that are- Engineered. They're engineered foods. And the reason why they're not good is because the science that goes into making them is geared towards making them hyperpalatable, which means you're gonna overeat them. It throws off your satiety. You're just not gonna feel satisfied at the same time as you would with something that's, let's say, whole and natural. And so it just causes you to overeat. So one of the easiest ways to eat an appropriate amount is you simply eliminate those foods and you'll naturally fall into a caloric intake that's much more appropriate. I mean, can you poke holes in the 200 years? I can't think of a situation where like, what's been around for 200 years that you couldn't- I mean, that's one way to say it, I guess. You could totally say that. I mean, I feel like that simplifies it for people because people do ask stuff like this all the time. Well, there's typically even like meat is processed somewhat, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, there's processed meat. It's like if this was around 200 years ago, you could eat that food and eat it. It's like- It's typically single ingredient kind of stuff. Like all the stuff that this person listed. Fine. Yeah, like frozen shrimp. What's the ingredient in there? Shrimp. You know, flash frozen vegetables. What's the ingredient? Vegetables. It's pre-washed spinach. It's spinach. Now, if it was like vegetable chips, that's totally different. If it was shrimp flavored chips, that's different. Well, it was usually for me, it was like the middle of the grocery store. Like you just avoid, like you just like would do the perimeter. That's a hundred percent. That's where you're going to find it better. That's very true, a hundred percent. All right, our next question is from Pretty Patty 10. What is better, conventional deadlifts or sumo? What are the big differences? Does it truly make a difference doing one over the other? So they're both called the deadlift. They're both, they both qualify in powerlifting. Conventional, that was better. If you compete in powerlifting, they'll accept either a sumo or conventional as your deadlift. This has added a lot of confusion because it's made them the same exercise. They're not. Conventional deadlift is better. It's a fuller range of motion. It is, but they're different. It's like you do them both. You know, it's like saying a hack squat versus a barbell squat or a front squat versus a barbell. Yeah, but if you were only going to do one of them, which one are you picking? Conventional deadlift all day long. Probably. Yeah, not probably. It hits the whole posterior chain, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, it's a greater range of motion. I think it's probably more functional. Yeah, it's definitely. But I think both, do both in your routine. Yeah, I mean, I love, I program sumo deadlifts all the time, especially for my female clients that want to develop their glutes because I think it's great for glute drive. I think it's great for that. And your glute needs more involved because of your stance. And so if you want to develop your butt, both are great for developing your butt, but if it's, I program both and use a sumo for that reason. But if you're not competing and you're only going to primarily do one, I'm going to make you, I'm going to have you do conventional deadlift. That's typically, that's what I would teach. Yeah. Almost always was the conventional. But again, the confusion is that they're interchangeable because they're not the same exercise. Powerlifting is added to that confusion because they accept both, but they're not. Yeah, you said it well. It's like comparing a front squat to a back squat. Very different. They're both squats, but they're different. Yeah. Next question is from Sarah Beth for Prez. Can I train abs with cable crunches, decline sit-ups, and leg raises through the week while still doing vacuum poses daily? Yeah, you can do vacuum poses all the time. Yeah. That's a low intensity, low tension exercise. It's isometric. Vacuum poses, you know what they're good for? Connecting to the muscles that brace the core. Yeah, getting that TVA. That's something to do. Now, the only downside is don't do them so much that you're like not breathing well. Like don't try and hold it all day long so that you're shallow breathing. But practicing, that's the best way to do vacuum poses is to do them throughout the day. This is what I used to tell my clients is I would put them in that posture pose where it naturally draws you in. I'd be like, you feel that, like the way you're drawn in? I'm like, just practice that all day. This is something I try. I notice when I'm driving in my car or sitting on planes. I'll slouch and then I'll feel myself do that and then I'll activate and just tense up for a while and just try and do that as frequently as possible. Yeah, my post, what is it called? Post-pregnant or what's the term I'm looking for? I can't remember. Postpartum, thank you very much. My postpartum clients, daily vacuum poses was like always part of their routine. It made such a big difference with bringing their midsection in but also just giving them stability. Oh, reconnection is huge with that. Next question is from Nay Glintz. At 54 years old, I am following anabolic and lifting two days per week. Is that enough to prevent the muscle loss associated with menopause and aging? Or am I just slowing down the muscle loss process? Am I actually able to build muscle at this age because right now I feel as if I'm losing muscle fast and gaining fat equally as fast? One strength training session every two weeks is enough to prevent the muscle loss. You're gonna build muscle at two days a week. Now, if you're not building muscle, it's probably diet and or maybe you're doing the routine wrong or the intensity's wrong or your sleep is off. So I would recommend, this is what I recommend to clients who are asking questions like this. Hire a trainer. Hire, for like two months. Hire a trainer for two months. Learn how to do things properly. Have them coach you. You'll get so much out of that. The other thing would be hormones too, Sal, right? I mean, hopefully you have somebody who's, because if someone like this is on like, if they're estrogen, progesterone, everything's all off really bad, a lot of times too, you could be. They'll still build muscle. Just not like they normally would. We have a guy in here that trains a little over clients who's on testosterone suppression. You know what I'm talking about. He had a testosterone-sensitive cancer. They had to not just, they put him on medication to bring his testosterone down. It measures at like 20, okay? He just hit a PR on deadlifts at 225. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so the muscle-building process still happens. When your hormone's off, it makes it harder, but you're still, I've trained many women in menopause. None of them did, many of them didn't do hormone therapy and they still built muscle and got results. Hormone therapy makes it easier for sure, but they still built muscle. I felt like I had, menopausal women were one of the hardest clients I had to show good results with, and I felt like the ones that did get their hormones balanced and it made a huge difference, especially if you are listening right now and you feel like you're checking the boxes. My sleep's pretty good, I'm hitting my macros, I'm following a good program, and then still not seeing results, then most often than not, fixing the hormones or going to see someone to get hormone replacement therapy, that made a big difference. But two days a week is plenty. Oh, yeah. It's plenty. I mean, one day a week, she could see results. Most of my clients that were menopausal did one day a week with me. They were active the rest of the week. All right, I know you liked that episode. If you did, check this one out. Walking, it's one of the best things you can do for your health, bar none, but there's a better way to approach it. Yes, you can just walk, but if you follow the right protocol, it's far more effective. Let's talk about walking. I can't wait to hear walking protocol. Well, there is. Well, there is a protocol. So, and I'll start with the first thing, right? Because just first off, let me start with this. One of the reasons why walking is such a great form of just activity is because it's low risk of injury. Now, sometimes-