I moved to Ghana from the US without a plan - this is my experience

Oh, it's funny. So, I didn't have a plan, but actually the first two months after I got here, I felt healthier. So, people underestimate how much community feeds into your health. They like ask me questions like, "Do you know this food? Do you know that? Do you know that?" And they're like, "Yeah, you're not a real Ghanaian." >> So, what do you think about Ghanaian man? >> I think they're [Music] >> relocating to Ghana from the West is a major life decision. One that calls for careful planning, especially when family is involved. I've seen a few people struggle with the move even without family responsibilities. In this video, I speak with Roxan, an African-Amean woman of Ghanaian heritage who has successfully built a thriving life in Ghana as a single woman. She shares insights from her 3 years living in Ghana and shows us how possible and rewarding this move can be. I'm sure you find her story both inspiring and helpful. I would say for anybody anywhere is like your vision, your goal for your life has to be beyond your circumstances. Like it can't be like I'm going to go here and everything's going to be great. >> My name is Mickey. Keep watching. >> Roxen, thank you very much for having me. >> Sure. >> How are you doing? >> I'm good. How are you? >> Yeah, not bad. Not bad. So, how long have you been in Ghana now? actually three years in December, like literally this time three years ago. >> How did that come about? >> Oh, it's funny. So, I didn't have a plan. So, what happened was um my parents had always planned to retire here cuz my dad is from Cape Coast. >> Okay. >> So, yeah. So, he they've been in um US my whole life. I was born there and like I guess what the past 10 15 years or something they you know had their land and they planned to move back. So I came so first of all they got locked in cuz of co right and then um after that they were like okay we're going to make a run for it like when when the boys were opened up. And so I was like okay I'll go with you. I'm not doing anything. I'm just working and I'll go with you and um help you move or whatever. So, I took 6 months off work. >> Okay. >> And I'm like, okay, I'm going here like extended leave basically and I'm going to go help them move. And I did. I spent 6 months with them um with the new place, helping them get settled and everything. But actually, the first two months after I got here, I felt healthier. >> Okay. like physically, mentally, like I just felt better. And so I have this thing with my priorities where it's like, you know, health is first, this is next, whatever. And that's how I make decisions with my life. And so cuz health is like one my number one priority. >> So with the health, >> Yeah. >> do you can you point out one factor or some of the factors that made it different from the US? >> Oh, sure. I mean simple things like sunlight, food, like natural food. Um the the community factor. So people underestimate how much community feeds into your health. Uh and so just the fact that you're always around people. If you're somewhere like in the room alone or something, people come check on you like what's wrong. Believe it or not, that does a lot for your health. Um, and so I instantly felt healthier and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna figure out how to stay. >> Yeah. >> So after six months, I I think I already had my ticket back, like the round trip. So I went back. I visited home. I visited work. I told him like, "Yeah, I'm actually going back." Um, so they actually held my job for another 6 months, believe it or not. Like thinking maybe she's coming back and I wasn't. Um and so I >> So I take it you're not working with them anymore. >> No no I've I've quit and um I came back I started I was like okay if I would stay here long term so because there was no plan I had to discover now so where would I stay? So I spent a little time in Ara like a couple weeks or something and I came to Kumasi like I had a friend here who was like come to Kumasi you'll like it and instantly that first week I spent in Kumasi I did I loved it. Okay. >> I love the trees and everything. Like there was more greenery if you will. >> So would you say you live in Kumasi permanent now? >> Yeah. Yeah. Like Yeah. Cuz I've spent the last 2 and a half years in Kumasi. So >> So you said your dad is half your your dad. Okay. So you're half Ghanaian. >> Half Ghanaian, half American. >> So let's go back when you were born. Um, was your did your dad migrate to or they fancy born in America or did he migrate to America? >> He migrated to America. So he came like around like college age or something like that and then stayed. >> So all my life he's been in the States and he would come back and forth visiting here. Um, and then you know as they started building he would come like every year. Uh and then my mom started to come with him and then they moved. >> All right. So in normally in UK they will have like a Ghanaian community where you grow around you grow up with. How was it like growing up in America and Ghana? Your connection to Ghana. >> Yeah. So it's it was interesting cuz as a child I was very very proud um to be half Ghanaian cuz also you know in the states we have this thing where we don't know like a lot of black Americans we don't know where we come from right um and so for me it was like oh I'm Afghanian and it's like somewhere I could pick out on the map and so all of my early like elementary school projects were on Ghana >> whenever you had pick a country. Um, and then my dad would bring clothes that my aunt made. I would wear be so proud to wear them. And then and you know and my dad had you know they had their groups. We do have like the communities that would meet regularly um and just like discuss different matters. I think even they did like the library and like they raised money and made a library here in Ghana and all that kind of stuff. Um, so they had that, but then when I got into college, >> I was very excited cuz it was like, oh, they have African Student Association and so I can really get into it. Um, cuz you know, like in my area where we actually live, we didn't have necessarily a strong, you know, Ghanaian or really African community. Um, so I was like, "Oh, I'm going to join African Student Association." I go there like the first day and they like ask me questions like, "Do you know this food? Do you know that? Do you know that?" And they're like, "Yeah, you're not a real Ghanaian." >> I never went back. >> That was an insult. >> I never went back. I was like, "Okay, so I'm not like 100% American, you know, like I'm not like a typical like African-American and I'm not a Ghanian, >> you know, so it's like basically so I don't belong anywhere in any, you know, and it's like a weird thing cuz it's not like a black and white >> um like nor people normally think, but actually it's like a weird thing to be like actually you're not African. >> But it's I know it's it's still a struggle, isn't it? still something going on with afroamericans because people say oh bronyi >> they will call you broni and for us it's it's actually >> just a foreigner >> so you know like white person is like oh foreigner >> right and then >> it's I think it's it's an unconscious bias that is going on because the moment you said you are half Ghanaian all of a sudden I felt oh okay So she's not Bronny. At the back of my mind, I'm thinking, >> oh, okay. So, she's like being Ghanaian, not on paper Ghanaian. It's >> It's crazy how. Do you think there's something we can do, the locals, like the continentals, we can do to help that >> to make you not feel >> h >> I don't know because even like you just said that, right? So you have that thought like, "Oh, okay. She's But actually, I tell my friends all the time, well, I'm not Ghanaian." So, >> so it's already like ingrained in me that I'm not. >> Do you see what I'm saying? Like, >> or not a real Ghanaian. >> Yeah. We found a So, we've played a role in alienating you and you've sort of accepted it. >> I have. >> And it's >> How does that make you feel? >> Well, now it's just a way of life. like I don't fit in anywhere. >> I don't know how to say it. Like so there's like um it was sad probably I mean sad not probably it was sad or hurt initially feeling that way, right? Like feeling like oh okay I'll never quite be a Ghanaian or you know whatever this kind of African-American. But at this point in my life it also aids in my freedom because I don't have to fit anywhere. So, like it's very funny and this is hilarious. But if I do something, if I feel like doing something and it's like, oh, maybe it's not exactly this culture, exactly that one, I'm always like, oh, it's fine. I don't belong anyway. >> So, if they >> I'm sure you you'd want to belong. I think you've just accepted it and you've created defense mechanisms for it. >> No, but I feel like it's freedom. >> Okay. >> You know what I'm saying? Like it's like I don't feel like I can It's funny. I can be a little bit lazy about things cuz it's like, "Oh, it's fine. I'm you. I don't belong." And they'll just be like, "Oh, Oish, she doesn't know any better." Right? So, I can kind of do what I want. >> No, I think there's something you feel bad about it. >> I do. I do. So, please tell us. A lot of people watching us, right? Tell us. Let's say we went to go back. We want to go back to the college >> Roxen going to that club. >> What do you think? How or how differently do you think we can we could have treated you for you to belong? >> Um >> let's just think deep. What can we do to change this? >> I cuz I feel like I'm helping you. I don't you feel strongly about this? >> I do. I do because how >> I It's a shame that I I felt like that and I just caught myself doing that. And um if I could give myself you know, >> a hit on the hand, >> a hit on the hand, I would have done it. >> So, I really want you to tell me and other continentals, how do we think, how do we say certain things for you to belong because you are our brothers and sisters. >> Yeah. I think though, so I think for me it's like it may not be the answer you're looking for cuz I don't believe in like do this like just correct this behavior. I believe in um changing how we see people. So for me it's like I think if everyone is like on a basic level connect as a human being I think what we do in general I don't even think this is a Ghanian thing. Um, so I think that's why I'm struggling with this advice because I think it's a human thing is that we see people and just to make life easier for ourselves, we categorize people. Like I look at you like if you're coming from afar, it's like okay, I have to figure out maybe he's kind of because I have to figure out are you a threat? How to approach? You know, all that kind of stuff like what do I say? And even figuring out what to say is like I'm trying to keep myself from rejection, right? So like I need to categorize you so I can say the right thing. I'm not rejected or I need to categorize you so you don't um if you're a danger I can get out the way. It's all this kind of protected. >> Am I wrong by saying that? So there's a thing that is a common thing I say that um stereotyping is actually good for our survival and because of stereotype you will pet a dog but you not or you pet a cat but you not pet a lion. >> Exactly. That's what you're saying. >> That's what I'm saying. So that's why it's like not even a Ghanian thing because I do think Ghanaians take too much responsibility for everything that's bad. Like it's like Ghanaians, oh we shouldn't it's us and it's like no it's a human everyone does this. Um and I think for everyone if we looked at each other as human first then it can we can connect on a level that says okay as a human what might you be experiencing? Cuz as a human I'll empathize with you. I won't categorize you. Do you know what? Like so if let's say that group I'm going to my you know ASA meeting for the first time. If I meet you, you've come to my ASA meeting. It's like you're new here. Hi. >> Okay. >> What is it like to be new here as a human? >> Right? Like maybe it took some courage for you to come to this group as a new person. Let me welcome you. Now, let me ask you questions because I want to know why did you come? What sparked your interest? Right? Even if I were like a white woman coming into your African Student Association meeting, >> like I shouldn't be like, "You shouldn't be here. What are you doing here?" Cuz there's so many assumptions that go with that. >> I should say, "Hi, what made you come in today?" >> Yeah. And even if you said something wrong, why did you say that? >> Why did you Yeah. And I think we don't ask enough questions like, "Oh, maybe you have an interest. Maybe you're curious. Why are you curious? Okay, let's talk about that. I'm a big why person. Why are you here? Why do you do that? Why do you think that? Why is that important to you? All of that. Looking for a cozy sport that blends Ghanian warmth with British charm? Chair coffee shop lounge and British cafe is the perfect escape. 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Because even in work um I will tell people why I do certain things because when I was a young soldier >> and they call it bollock so you are like being chastised. >> I couldn't look into my commander's eyes and I'll look on the floor and that was disrespectful to them. Mhm. >> And not until I became a junior non officer, non-commission officer, that I got the guts to explain to them that no, it's not me. This is me being respectful to you, not me showing disrespect. Do you think? And since then, they sort of, oh, okay, no, we get it. >> And then now I also tell them, Ghanaians are not confrontational and they want soldiers to be confrontational. If you're not, you're not accepted. >> Right. Mhm. >> So I tell them all these things and now it's making it easier for the younger Ghanaians coming in and the Africans coming in. Do you think that helps? >> I do think it helps. Yeah, I think the why always helps >> and I think that um a lot of times the systems are built on our ignorance, right? So even um the socioeconomic uh disparities that we have going, they work because of our ignorance. They work because if I can keep you all separate, if I can keep you from asking each other questions and working together, then we can keep this whole thing going. I can feed you what I want. I can feed them what I want and we can keep it going, right? And also, I can feed you fear. That fear that you're talking about, the fear of the unknown. I can I actually, it doesn't even have to be fear of the unknown because you don't know. >> Now, I can feed you fear based on lies. >> Yeah. >> Period. I can tell you anything. >> Yeah. Which, think about it, happened for years before the internet. >> We just believed whatever was in these other countries, what was shown to us on TV, >> mainstream media. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, before we come back to your journey in Ghana, let's go back. So you do get a lot of Ghanaians and Africans that migrated to America earlier and they they were talking about how people used to laugh at them for from from for coming from Africa. >> Mhm. >> Is it something you ever experienced? Like did you see it happening? >> 100%. Yeah. And that's and and you know what and I think that's what hurt me most is I I also was made fun of for being proud of my Ghanaian um heritage cuz I would wear my outfits like oh this is so cuz I'm an artist myself right so you know Ghanian colors it's like you get an outfit it's bright colored it's like patterns it's it's like perfect for the artist um child or whatever right and so I was very proud of it but get made fun of made fun of at school So it like took guts to even be proud at school myself >> um to only get there and now the Ghanaians are like actually going through all that >> we actually don't accept you either. Um >> sorry about that. >> So yeah that happened a lot um and there were a lot of sayings and and that's what I tell people that was a time when we didn't have Black Panther. >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? We didn't have the fad of Africanism like the fad of like the African dressing was in there. >> Yeah. There was none of that. So yeah, people again that ignorance people were judging each other based on what they showed on television. Um and they showed a lot of like old just thing outdated things or things that weren't relevant or right on television and that's how we judged each other. So coming to you've decided to move to Ghana in your opinion do you or from your experience did you feel that you got into a holiday mood and then you came out to that holiday mood did you experience that because they feel some people come in and it's like holiday holiday oh Ghana is lit and then later they decide to stay for longer and they realize oh okay maybe it's not all that. Did you ever experience that or yours was just one feeling? >> No, I had a little bit of both because because coming I didn't come like holiday, right? Like I didn't come like with my girlfriends like oh we're going to go out to Ghana. I came with my parents moving. So I came like kind of with a mindset like I'm working in a way cuz you know moving is just work no matter who you are, right? Um, and then if you ever build in Ghana, you know that just dealing with um, artisans and like, you know, sorting out. >> So, you were helping your parent build, you said. >> Well, I was helping them move and part of the moving is like they were still finishing the building. So, it's kind of like >> I'm I'm helping but also seeing how everything is going, >> the frustration of certain things. Um, so it's like alongside them I'm like, "Oh, okay." Like, you know, we had a couple days where it's like, "Oh, the water isn't working because the plumber has to fix this and blah blah blah or whatever." Um, or we actually we couldn't move in when I first got here, too, like for a month or so. So, it's like all of that. It wasn't like kind of holiday. It was just kind of like >> So yours was like straight to life. >> Straight to Ghanaian life like oh figuring it out. Um >> and then you know even figuring it out with my parents too, right? Cuz my parents had gone back and forth but also they're here permanently, right? So there's some things that we all have to figure out together. >> Are they still here? >> Here are they still in Ghana. All right. Okay. >> Yeah. So, it was just I honestly it was like I think it was a good bonding experience for me and my parents cuz it was the um longest I've spent with them as an adult, right? Like kind of staying with them. Um so I think it was one of those things that I wouldn't trade cuz it's for us we have a lot of funny things that have happened. They were frustrating at the time but like we can joke about them now. Um and then I think probably my little short bit of holiday was when I was trying to decide where I wanted to stay. inside like when I went to a crawl I went to some art shows and so I that's when I started to get into like what are the things I want to do um because I knew if I'm staying I would leave my job as well so I wanted to explore I was already coaching so I do mindfulness coaching and I was doing that part-time but I also just wanted to explore I like art I love you know I sing all these things so that was my little bit holiday it like probably after that first 6 months when I was figuring out where I want to go after um being with my parents and and then it just came back to okay I got to figure it out you know like I got to get to work if I'm going to do this restart my life in a way what do I want to do um so yeah I had to get focused and then I got sick >> you got sick >> I had last year I had typhoid fever I have malaria, but they couldn't find the malaria that quickly. So, I was um literally 6 months sick cuz once they found the malaria, like my iron was completely depleted. So, you know, like you can't really build your iron or whatever >> or hemoglobin levels, like you can't build them up like that. It's it takes a couple of months for your blood to regenerate. So I actually was um yeah I was six months kind of not working recovering that kind of thing because I could yeah it was rough. So, was there a point that you are like, "Oh my god, I can't do this. I want to go back." >> No. No. I was always like, I have to push through um and figure it out like cuz again, I'm very like my priority list. So, health was first. And so, it's like how do I take this thing that I have and I appreciate and then add to it. I always think of it that way and not like I don't know. I'm not much like a oh right now I'm happy. It's hard. I'm not. And then maybe that comes from my parents. My parents aren't that way. Like oh it's hard now. Like it's like no like what is your goal, right? And um >> if this is still your goal then let's go towards it. And so my goal is broader than moving to Ghana. It's my goal is a way of life. like how do I want to live my life and so how I live my like honestly I don't have this like I have to stay in Ghana >> and it's not that like I have to stay in make it work my goal is how do I want to live my entire life so even if I move to you know I'm saying New Zealand because it's the last country I heard but even if I haven't moved there for some random reason it's all still about the way I want to live my Not every single piece being in this property >> fulfilling for you. >> Yeah. >> So it can be spontaneous like anything can happen. >> Yeah. >> But it's like this is the way I want to I want to live with freedom. I want to live life with love and you know laughing and art you know what I mean like with those things which can't be quantified with like materialistic things. >> Okay. So um com if you compare so a lot of people come to Ghana or they move to Africa and it's it's just difficult and they go back >> and have you ever thought of that why people cannot stay and do you know why and if someone wanted to move what would you say what sort of mindset should they have to be able to stick at it like you've What would I say? And um there are a couple of things because when I think of myself, the thing is I don't have children. I don't have a husband. So I I'm very clear of how much freedom that affords me, right? >> Um so I don't try as as enthusiastic as I am about telling people to go for it, >> I also, you know, am fine with saying, "Okay, consider that, right?" Um, and I don't know what's that what that's like. I can't say I know what it's like to be like, "Oh, I'm going to take my kids out of school and we're going to go here." I don't know what it's like. So, I'm open to that. What I would say for anyone moving anywhere, even for Ghanaians who are like waiting in I was just having a talk with somebody saying he was waiting in the queue to go to the US, right? I would say for anybody anywhere is like your vision, your goal for your life has to be beyond your circumstances. Like it can't be like I'm going to go here and everything's going to be great. And I I like I think that whole I'll be happy when kind of mentality is like a setup for anyone. I'll be happy when I get the job. I'll be happy when I move over here and I have the house and blah blah blah blah. I'll be happy when. Yeah. So, it's like if you haven't figured out how to be happy where you are, I think and you know, regard unless you're like in an actual abusive situation or something like that, like I think the struggle may continue cuz the thing it's it's not always the thing. Sometimes it's how you see the thing. >> Yeah. So, >> okay. You said you you're single. Well, you don't have a husband. Have you tried dating in Ghana? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I have. >> Well, so have you tried dating Ghanaians? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, what do you think about Ghanaian men? >> I think they're like men. Men. >> I think men are like men. >> The same. Oh, okay. >> I I think like it's different packaging, but it's like >> men are men. And um >> I don't know. I don't I try to stay away also from like generalizing as well cuz that's I think it's helpful to deal with like an individual on a individual basis and I think it makes dating harder >> when I like when you start saying well men are like you know and >> um but I do I just think I have this saying that just everybody's human >> um cuz that's one thing I found just traveling is that even though people speak different languages and all that kind of stuff. At the end of the day, we still kind of need the same thing. It ends up if you really drill down to what's going on in a situation. Um when you're talking with somebody or in relationship, it just is always the same thing. >> Yeah. >> You know, like fear, love, ego, it's all there for all of us and just showing up in different ways. And so I I find the same with men. I this is it hasn't been like horrible. I really appreciate the relationships I've um had here and you know yeah nothing has been bad like it hasn't been bad and um generally you know people become good friends or start out as good friends too and it's been good. >> Moving to Ghana money is a big factor isn't it? Do you believe that money >> money is a big factor? >> Big factor. So how do you survive? What do you do? >> So I um I actually do trainings on stress management and collaborating effectively and so I do um right now I've been doing my trainings online and I do corporate trainings for the states. Um so that's how I make my money. Okay. Um, I'm trying to work my way into some of the Ghanaian market with that. Um, but I just haven't yet gotten any kind of consistent work here. But so my focus has been the US still. Um, but yeah, so that's how I make my money and that's how I prefer to. Again, it goes back to freedom, which is a value of mine. So being able to work from anywhere. Um, and I just I like what I do. I like doing workshops these days. >> You you you probably have said something around that line, but I'm stressed. If I'm stressed, right, and I've come to you, I say I'm stressed. >> What would be some of the tips you'll give me? >> Uh I would tell you to well, we talk about what you're stressed about. Um so that's my thing like give me your full story of what's stressing you and then we talk about the meaning behind your story, right? So if you're stressed about work, what is it about work? And then what are you telling yourself about work? Cuz that the stress really comes from the meaning that we're giving things. >> Okay. >> Right. So um like I said we were talking about earlier the protecting yourself, >> right? Like if I don't know the ignorance, right? And so that's what we're doing all the time is we're trying our brain is doing all the time is trying to protect us. So say it'll try to calculate, okay, he did this. What does that mean? So if I'm at work, okay, I have a lot of work. If I don't do it, then I'm going to get fired. So I walk with people down. Oh, okay. Why is that stressful? Why does that mean so much to you? Right. Oh, because if I don't get it done, I'm getting in trouble my boss. Oh, if you get in trouble with your boss, what happens? If I get in trouble with Oh, they're going to fire me. Oh, they're going to fire you. Then what happens? Oh, then I can't support my family. Like, so we have these kind of trails that go on our brain that cause us to be more anxious about something than we need to be. And so when I talk with people, it's like, "Oh, so are you the highest performing person at your job?" Yeah. Oh, so your boss is going to fire you, the highest performing person at your job, if you don't do this one thing or if you don't set boundaries around your work. And they're like, "Oh, actually, no. He wouldn't fire." >> Yeah. Okay. So, let's talk about why you can't talk to your boss about boundaries. >> You see what I mean? Like, it's like >> we set up whole scenarios in our minds that add to our stress. >> So, finally, walking around Ghana, have you spotted any ideas like for money, how people things people can do >> to be able to get money to sustain themselves in Ghana or in Africa? Have you found anything or Do you have some tips that you can give people when they come to Ghana on how they can sustain themselves financially? >> Yeah, I think um I think one of my tips would be so I think consulting is one that um just because people often here do want to know how people outside do either work, whatever they do. Um, so I think consulting is a kind of an easy way to get your foot in the door um with whatever your profession may be, but also I think that my I guess my advice to anybody would would be also to focus. I think there is this tendency where you um and I've been through it too where you kind of feel like you're flailing like I'm here. I must survive. I have to and so you kind of feel like you're grabbing at everything. Um, but one thing I find I feel about Ghana is because it is so communitydriven, it's very easy to create a reputation here, whether good or bad. And so sometimes in our flailing, we want to try to do everything. And so then it's not quite clear what you're known for, what you're good at. And not that you have to do exactly one thing, but it's just um like e like even if you're starting some some sort of consistency cuz that's what's missing in a lot of businesses, right? So um like just because you don't make the money right away, >> can you stick with it for a bit to build the business out? Does that make sense? >> Very true. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um not pigeon holeing you into you can't do it, but sometimes I feel like there's a um you feel tempted to be like, "Okay, I tried this. Okay, they didn't buy that. Okay, let me go." >> And it's because like that feeling and maybe I had this feeling cuz I didn't have a plan necessarily to come. So, if you have time, I would definitely recommend first having a plan. But if you don't, like me or whatever, there's this temptation to try to try everything. And it's like I think one you exhaust your own energy trying to do that and then two before things can catch on you already changed. Yes. So like a lot of things are word of mouth here, right? It's not like you know states or whatever where everything's on the internet and you go find it. >> So you don't give people a chance to find you and to get used to. So, like this week I may tell my friends, "Oh, you know that place? They're open. You know, they they're there every day until like 8:00 p.m. and you can go." And now you've decided, "Oh, no one comes, so let me close." And then they started coming the next week. >> It's true. It's true. >> So, yeah, consistency, I would say. >> Very true. Because, um, >> so I could move right now. I could move right now, but the next 4 years will give me something that I'll be happy to feed my family with so that I can stick at something and not for the money just waiting for the fire to start burning. So, it's great. >> Yeah. But once you But that's the thing once the fire there is like a flicker here. That's the one thing I'll say about Ghana. it can catch on like wildfire like much much more quickly than outside >> because it's just like when people feel like it's good, it's just good and they'll go for it. >> So I that's if you can stick it out and be consistent until it catches on, I really feel like it just bursts into >> Thank you very much for that. >> You just reaffirmed my decision. A stamp of approval. No, thank you. Um, so how do people find you if they want to use your services and what can they get? >> Um, sure. So they can actually go to everybody'shum.com. Um, and it's regular everybody's with an S and human.com and you'll get all my links there to social and my website and everything. Uh, I offer I do offer one-on-one coaching as well. And um, and like I said, I offer corporate trainings on stress management and also how to collaborate better as a team. So yeah, they can find me there everybodyhum.com and that's the easiest way to get me. >> Thank you very much. Unless you've got something else that you want to say. >> I don't. Thank you for having me. This was a nice conversation. >> No, thank you for doing this. >> Yeah. Um, From from what I'm looking you maybe it's because you said that you don't have a husband, you don't have a you don't have kids. So, >> but I feel like go get her and if you put your mind to something, you go for it. >> And even that tells from the way you were talking about consistency. So, yeah, it's it's really good that you have that. It's I could read that and I think that's perfect for you in Ghana. So yeah, you'll do really well in Ghana. So thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> And who knows, maybe the next few years you'll probably be in another country. I can see that in you as well. >> So yeah, if if I come next time and you are not here, I won't be surprised either. Yeah. No, thank you. >> Thank you.