Why We Left the Left w/ Dave Rubin - Will & Amala LIVE

to will and alma alive except it's not will and amla live today because will's not here and we do have a very very special guest who is going to be talking about a project that he was very much involved in here at prageru a restricted short documentary now big tech restriction is a really big issue right now and it's a it's a censorship issue for both sides it doesn't really matter whether or not you lean right or left it just seems to be a growing problem according to big tech you can't talk about you can't talk about you can't talk about you can't talk about it's ridiculous i just keep getting censored i can't believe that we can't talk about any of those things that you just listed it's absolutely insane but i'm very grateful that we have none other than dave rubin of the reuben report here in studio with us today and he himself is going to expose everything terrible that big tech is doing right here right now so dave what is big tech doing that is so awful oh well i'm very excited to talk about you know what and the other thing and that thing that they're not letting us do and scene guys we love our ridiculously cheesy horrible skits at the beginning of the show and you guys love them too for whatever reason but that was a skit it feels it feels almost too real to even joke about at this point but we have dave reuben here dave rubin thank you for being on the show i'm glad to be here but i do feel like i'm under a tremendous amount of hair pressure with will not be in here because he's got like that eight-foot hair and i feel like i'm doing all right you know maybe if i had known he wasn't going to be here i would have upped it a little bit you know you should have never said those words will is going to thrive off of that the hot air that will fill his head from you saying that is going to last for years that will fill his hand most likely yeah that's very very true now you got featured in one of our documentaries it's called restricted it's about big tech censorship i want to play a little clip and then we'll get into talking about it i'm dave rubin i'm the host of the reuben report and i'm a co-founder of locals.com it's really weird actually because you know these things are all free and you can sign up for them in two seconds so it's like oh wow this is awesome it's the wild west we can do whatever we want whenever we want and nobody's our boss and we can come and go as we please it's all fantastic and that's sort of the way it was for those first few years of youtube maybe even for a decade of youtube actually and then slowly when you start doing some interesting things you start talking about free speech or start going against the grain or being a little politically incorrect then slowly things start turning on you you start noticing when you do things that are more controversial certain videos seem like they really get depressed or you're on twitter and you know you say something that goes against the progressive orthodoxy of the day and suddenly you get three retweets instead of you know 300 retweets or whatever it might be i'm marissa stright i'm the ceo of prageru in 2000 you you talk about something interesting and i think it's something that people forget that youtube was not always like this youtube started out as sort of a free-for-all you could post whatever you wanted on youtube and it would just stay on there regardless and then the censorship sort of crept in what was your first experience with censorship if you can recall this is my first well the truth is i probably don't even know what the first was right because i always say it's not the things that they can do and that they're obviously doing that i'm worried about like it's not like when they really deboost a certain post or when you know your shadow band or suddenly your videos are really crushed or whatever it might be it's not that or they don't go out to the feed you know all the stuff that we we you know this is like insider baseball stuff for us all the stuff yeah that we know that we have to churn through every day but the average person that's consuming our stuff they sometimes forget you know it's like they have other lives they have jobs and they have other hobbies and stuff and then suddenly you know someone will message me and be like you know dave i just realized i'm subscribed to your channel i've clicked the notification bell for all your videos i haven't seen one of your videos in two weeks i forgot you know i forgot to check and you can't blame people they're doing other things exactly i think the first time i really noticed something was going on was probably around the adpocalypse thing which is probably about three years ago now where suddenly you know because they claim that they were all these right-wing scary right-wing people saying scary right-wing thing yeah i gotta say you're so scary dude and i'm very scary and i know that and you know people are always telling me how scary and mean i am and all that and i was included in that adpocalypse thing which is basically where they just you know the advertisers basically dropped out for a little while which is fine if a company so chooses not to run ads on something that we believe in the free marketplace right we believe in capitalism and competition but what happened after that was it suddenly seemed that if you talked about certain things usually related to free speech actually if you talked about free markets basic basic conservative stuff i would say the type of stuff that prageru puts out there the type of stuff that our friend ben shapiro puts out there things of that nature that the views would just disappear where things that i was putting up before that would get three million views they would get you know 200 000 views and people would then i'd be looking in the comments and people would say oh i didn't get this in my feed et cetera et cetera and the other problem with the ad thing is you have to think about censorship at sort of many levels it's not just that sometimes they could just ban you outright or delete all your stuff or all that right with ads they can do something a little more perverse which is oh we'll put ads on this content and then you look at numbers right you look at numbers you go oh i'm making money when i do this type of content well if they suddenly say we're not going to put ads on that stuff you might censor yourself because you got to pay your bills and you want to buy food and maybe pay your rent so that's not censorship in a traditional sense but there are ways that they're manipulating us that we don't know and notice in no part of this did i say i necessarily want the government to come in and fix it we can talk about that if you want but but my preference always is we got to build new things we just got to be sort of slimmer and trimmer than them and uh and competition man i mean that's really what it's all about which is tough with the kind of oligarchy that they've created around big tech right now and they say you know the solution to mass psychosis is to build a parallel society that functions the exact same but just does it better yeah how do we start to do that you you have an endeavor that you're working on an app yeah that you are co-founded now how how's that working out for you yeah well first i'll say it's tough okay right like before we even get into locals like it's tough we all know what happened with parlor you know after the january 6th thing they basically amazon just blew up their servers everyone uses amazon pretty much amazon aws right as like the underbelly of the internet that's where everyone's hosting everything pretty much yes you can have your own server farms but like it's it's sort of the ubiquitous thing of the internet exactly and after january 6 they wanted to find somebody to blame for what happened and they said ah parlor parlor you know these guys they have 23 million people up that's their spot that's their meeting spot and they're the new guy in town right because they were in a little operation with four million users they had 23 million like they were becoming a real threat right to the twitter situation and youtube and instagram and all that so they were the very easy one to just take out and blow up but when that happened i actually think in retrospect we'll all look at it as a seminal possibly good moment because even though it sucks what they did and i think it's bad business practice and all that kind of stuff it woke up a lot of people because that wasn't just oh we're taking out alex jones right which by the way i don't think he should have been taken out no in my opinion you leave these people up if they break the law they got a bigger problem than twitter or youtube or whatever um and in retrospect alex jones actually got a lot of stuff right yes now which is which is such a weird thing to say hold on there hold on the alex jones was right you know we can't say that yeah we definitely get so but but it woke enough people up that it was like oh we better start figuring out some other ways to do things so two years before i had started the adventure of creating locals and really what happened was i kind of saw this coming because i've been doing the youtube game for a while and i was like well wait a minute what do i need to kind of free myself from these guys i need a place that'll host my videos that'll host my audio i want a slick app so i can get push notifications out to my fans so that they actually if i put up a video it's going to actually pop up on their phone we want to be able to communicate live chat with people live video stream all of that stuff we started building the company i i literally just said on my show hey if there's any people with money out there we're starting this company and we need some help yeah and people reached out to me and that's how we started getting funding at the beginning and then the really crazy part is that after january 6 all of the people that i had gone into offices and said you know fund this that we're always everybody always was like oh it's a great idea of course you should be doing that nobody pushed back on the idea nobody pushed back on the tech but they were always like ah you know dave your thought of is kind of right and conservative now and you know can we put money into that like they don't quite say it but they're saying it right and after january 6th suddenly everyone realized the temperature just got much hotter it went it went from like a cool like 69 degrees to like 87 degrees and humid yeah and suddenly everybody was like ah it's hot in here and then suddenly we started getting some of the people that we wanted so we have great investors who are helping us not only it's because it's not just about the money it's about the philosophical issues behind how you do this the legal issues the ethical issues the technological issues obviously so we've built something that's that's really nice and i would recommend people check out locals.com and it's just a piece by the way it's i'm not saying i'm not sitting here going i've solved the problems of the yeah no it's just a piece to this parallel economy that you're talking about yeah it's a it's a start because there's so many i mean obviously big tech is not the only problem when it comes to the left overtaking things and then subsequently ruining them we live in california so we know that there's so many different parallels that we have to work on locals is just is just one of those so i applaud you for doing that now a lot of conservatives uh you know fight back at us and say well why are you even on facebook why are you on twitter why are you on instagram i'm sure you get that all the time yeah i hate that one well it's so stupid it's so it's so thoughtless actually because you don't always concede ground you don't always just give up absolutely and constantly retreat by the way there are times when it might a retrieval sorry a retreating sort of tactically does make sense like you're like ah there's not much left here right i know we're going to talk about california like we are maybe maybe a tactical retreat of california makes sense but in terms of you know you want to get your stuff out there like to me at this point i'm leveraging the hell out of youtube and twitter and facebook and everything else until they say to me you can't be here anymore and i have no doubt that that will come whether i say something about an election or i say something about a vaccine you know right before i went off the grid you know i do my august off the grid situation with no phone or anything for a month but the day before i did that i was banned on twitter for saying that vaccine mandates were coming i've got the tweet right here oh man you guys are professionals let's see let's see we are reminder twitter banned me for saying they want a federal vaccine mandate back in july the tweet reads they want a federal vaccine mandate for vaccines which are clearly not working as promised just weeks ago people are getting and transmitting covet despite facts plus now they're prepping us for booster shots a sane society would take a pause we do not live in a sane society can i pat myself on the back right there none of that's coming true at all yeah i mean i've made three claims there and all of those claims are obviously right right vaccine mandate right happening that scene's obviously not working the way they are supposed to work done and now we're all getting booster shots or if you so choose to get the booster shot or whatever yeah so they ban me for that and then only and this is to your point about why you don't just run only because i had locals so i was still able to get my audience to start tweeting about it and talking to people and then because i'm obviously connected to people like you guys a prageru i got people to start tweeting about it and and then at some point you can get something to critical mass where these guys and they're the bad guys in this situation where even they will suddenly be like oh man maybe we stepped in it this time because nothing he said there because i had the receipts of biden basically hinting at the mandate and why are we all getting booster shots if you know if it's really working like the receipts were there so you just got to push and push and push and push and and i think if you do you know that david guy beat goliath so it's like we got a chance right and and not to mention you know there's so many people who are on these platforms who are completely impressionable who are are sitting in the fog of everything that's happening right now and looking for a light looking for somebody to lead them to the truth and if you can be that person on that platform then by all means be that person but now you see conservatives who are just constantly retreating or cheating and conceding ground and going well we'll just give them that it'll it'll quell all the all the unrest for a little while and i feel like the the conservative party is getting a lot more progressive yeah i mean well this is the the thing that you know a lot of conservatives are saying now it's like well what did conservatives conserve now ironically from where i sit it's like conservatives are the last ones conserving liberalism at this point i had tucker carlson on my show recently and that's what he was arguing and dennis prager has argued this with me that in many ways he still is an old school liberal but that has nothing to do with modern liberalism obviously meaning he believes in rationality and the individual and free thought and an open tolerance society that's just not what obviously the progressives are doing now but the more that you give these guys and i get the impulse the impulse is like feed them a little something and then they'll be satiated like they'll be enough but but they're like um they're like the aliens in independence day remember remember when a strong reference i'm ready for it remember when bill pullman has the psychic connection with the alien independence day and then they asked him they're like what was the alien saying and he's like they're here to destroy all of us they're going from planet to planet and they're just here to take all our resources and destroy us yes that in many ways is what the progressives are here to do and i really mean that they are here to destroy this society they're basically telling us that they don't like america they don't like the founding they don't like capitalism they don't like math two plus two is now five instead of four and three point five trillion now equals zero i mean this is spectacular stuff so like they're here to do all these things and when someone tells you what they're here to do you should believe them yeah you really should and it is so explicit i don't want to hear anybody who says well no they don't say that they don't say that look at when it comes to our founding just the founding fathers are are key documents to the founding of this country apparently those are old pieces of paper that mean nothing and freedom means nothing and the founding fathers were white supremacist nazis it's so stupid because look look especially you like and i know we don't like playing the identity game right of course yeah your skin color happens to be black yes is there anything happening in america that is stopping you from doing anything that you want to do no and funny enough i'm sitting right in front of a camera running on my own show right now yeah you are literally living your dream this very moment fighting for the principles that allowed you to fight that dream it doesn't mean that every single one of your ancestors that were in this country were treated perfectly nor my ancestors nor anyone's and it doesn't mean that that the whole thing is bad you know it's like this idea they've done something very very twisted where it's like everyone before them was so wrong and backwards and it's like you know what i think i'm a pretty decent guy i don't know that i'm much better if better at all than my father or my grandfather or my great-grandfather my grandfathers who both fought in world war ii my great-grandfather who came here with nothing and lived in a tenement house with six brothers and sisters father died at two years old like you know had to fight for pennies basically to survive like am i so great you know and it's like they've done this thing where it's like forget everyone before you we're evolved now boys are girls girls are boys 3.5 trillion equals zero we know everything and that's dangerous man that's really dangerous forget everyone before you but if your ancestors committed crimes they're they're also your crimes which is amazing to me because it sounds very much like north korea to me but yet we're here in the united states now if this progresses let's say 200 years down the line if this ideology persists what are the transgressions that we're committing right now that our future selves are going to be oh man they'll come for everything i mean literally everything there's nothing that i can't even imagine what they will come for because it's a movement of destruction it's not a movement of creation i mean the idea creation comes from you as the individual you figure out how you can live for yourself and by doing that it does that people say well that's somehow selfish you're thinking about yourself but it's like no if you think about yourself first well then you know what happens you might meet somebody you might fall in love with somebody and then you two have a life together then you might have kids and you might teach them some good things and you know what you've got parents and brothers and sisters and families and you start building something cool that has some value to it and then hopefully with tradition and whatever else you can hand that down to another generation and and that starts with the individual but we have completely thrown that away yeah it's the most fundamental basic building block of all western societies but but specifically the united states and we've basically said no no no no we'd rather have a bunch of politicians who've never done anything good for anyone except get rich on our back and tell us how much we need them and take more and more of our stuff uh we've now said to them you can tell us how many times a week we have to get vaccinated and you can tell us uh whether we're gonna go out of our houses or what we have to wear on our faces and it's like like yes nancy pelosi should have something to do with exactly right right and we had zubi on the show earlier this week and he made this very interesting point is that when when people get frightened or or they're fear-mongered by the media or they get introduced to propaganda you have you have two distinct choices you can make and that is one to look up and go somebody tell me what to do and somebody tell me how to live my life and the second one is to look inward and look at yourself as an individual and go well i know what to do because i am myself and so many people just took this shot of fear and just looked straight up they look up and they also think that somehow humans who are imperfect we're all imperfect obviously but only if you could get enough of us to believe the same thing we could create a thing that's better than us doesn't really work i think that can work at very micro levels where you could have a small community of people that could all come together and build things of course groups can come together over shared ideas and values and things like that and build things absolutely of course but the idea that like all of these people will create something perfect you know that's what socialism and communism always promotes and promises but you got to kill an awful lot of people to get there because suddenly you're like oh man he's not perfect and she's not perfect and that one you know wants to go out without the mask and this one voted for that orange guy but once we're all gone maybe it will be perfect well that is maybe we should just you know see ourselves now well let's let's don't give them any ideas maybe we cut that out is the form of that happening now though with on the internet with censorship and stuff they're stamping out the dissenting voices and the people who are not beating the drum of the mainstream narrative and so in a way they're that they're making a utopia enforcing it virtually online by stamping out the voices that would that do think for themselves or do are independent from the mainstream very good point well that's interesting because i think partly what's happening in society right now really is a war between the virtual world and the old school world the real world where people are actually you know in our carbon bodies like that war is starting because in the virtual world it's sort of all based on thought we can get everything out real quick we can make videos we can get everybody outraged everyone's hating on you know all that and then it's leaked into reality where now i mean look what's happened just in the last week the really crazy i would say this woman is is pretty much a crazy person uh the governor of new york who nobody voted for right she was installed after they took out cuomo she just fired 83 000 health care workers because their they made the choice not to get vaccinated these are the same people we were told are the greatest heroes of all time who put it all on the line to save all of us and now we're firing them because they don't want to do this do we have any evidence that anyone's going to a hospital and getting coveted from a healthcare but even if you ask these things these are the questions that that they slowly will not want you asking they go oh i think i'm going to delete that tweet i think i'm also going to unverify you and i'm going to delete your account but the hospitals are flooded yeah we had to fire all these nurses but the hospitals are flooded and we can't say where we are right this moment but there is a hospital about a mile not even a mile from here half a mile from here right it is empty has been empty this entire time i think last week we checked the numbers on my show this morning last week you know how many people in la died of covid no idea how many ball park you guys want to guess got anything making me want to go low very very low i want to say like two hundred few hundred that's interesting i want to say the couple scott scott two you were i said two okay there we go you were right two people yeah but don't trust me don't trust me right it's on the computer right and that's the amazing part is that no matter the the wealth and the abundance of information that we have right in front of our faces computers in our pockets people don't even care to look up actual facts they take the propaganda they suck it in and they go okay now let me just regurgitate that but change the words hasn't it exposed something really dark about humans like don't you think a little bit differently about humanity now than say a year and a half ago like absolutely i go to the supermarket i mean i don't really go anywhere anymore but like once in a blue moon i'll i have to get something right but i pretty much live in my bunker at this point but when i go to the supermarket i see these people in the mess and they look sort of glazed over like robots you know just doing their thing and nobody realizes why they're wearing the mask anymore but everyone's just afraid they're just afraid of being the person that someone's gonna look at and say something mean and it's like you know the the nazi analogy is way overused obviously but you can sort of start to see how this stuff could happen right because we went from calling half the country racist which is what the mainstream media was doing for years during trump now they're racist and they're diseased you think you might do some bad things to those people if you had the power yeah what do you think the next step of that is and i think you know a lot of a lot of people on both sides of the aisle get angry when people use the nazi comparison they say it's not an app comparison but what other what other comparisons do you use there's a lot of other you know genocides and other things that have happened in atrocities that have happened and if you look at the building blocks of them they all start with these sorts of well because no one thinks they're going to be a nazi right no one of course whoever was like if you took the most prototypical nazi foot soldier in 1941 if you would have said to them in 1936 do you know that you're actually going to round up jews and shoot them and put them into ditches and things like that of course they'd say no of course they'd say no they didn't they weren't born evil but the evil collectivist ideas that can turn people against people and and make you not look at a human being but look at oh that is a set of ideas that is against me and now again now they're diseased too and they might share that disease with me yeah you can get people to do awful things look what's going on in australia people are literally walking their dogs and being attacked by military members i mean this is again find it online while you still can you know literally officers choking there you saw the video of them choking that woman it's like we're choking you we don't want you to choke on phlegm because of kovid but we're going to literally choke you with our hands in the name of health and safety gosh and people look and still that information's right in front of people's faces the videos are there they go viral and people still look at and go well that's not the united states but you know what it could be us right that's not us yet but but we should be looking at what's happening in canada we should be looking at what's happening in australia and going you know they're a little bit ahead of us your head we're behind depending on which way you want to look um but that it's happening in front of our eyes and think about it this way why isn't that shown on cnn why why does cnn great why does cnn not find it interesting that australia basically is a police state now why do they not find it interesting that that uh interesting that in canada churches are still closed and they're arresting preachers yep we don't find that interesting in america but we'll argue about what kristen cinema had for lunch or something like that yeah because the the media conglomerate they know where this is going in america and they know that if we expose this to the americans too soon they'll realize that it's going to happen here and then maybe we're gonna we're gonna have a revolution we're gonna have to quell but now they don't have that not yet but by the way to get that to the censorship thing that's also why more censorship is on the horizon and it's coming pretty quickly and i think probably even more quickly than even we'd want to believe because that chasm between what the mainstream will allow you to see and what we're seeing online that can't exist much longer sure you know what i mean it's too wide it would be one thing if it was like oh mainstream is kind of lying about a little bit of stuff and then you can expose a little bit of it online but now the chasm is so wide where they lie about everything we played a clip on my show this morning sheila jackson lee is a rep congresswoman from houston she's at a hearing talking about our sovereign and secure southern border and it's only right-wing media that's telling you that it isn't well we played that clip of her saying that and then you're not going to believe this we found videotape online and we played a video of people running through the border thousands of people no social distancing no math and it's like they can't allow that to exist much longer because that is too much there's too much cognitive dissonance there that they will have to do so so i think things could get much worse very quickly actually yeah let's talk about the much worse the worst case scenario let's talk about you guys got any booze here we actually do what's going on every time you come to my house there's a lot of booze that is very very true but let's talk about the worst case scenario and let's let's assume we all get swiped off the internet all of us uh are are right our alt-right uh extremists we get we have taken off the internet what do we do what is then our avenue for getting our information out there for for changing minds for waking people up well first i would say before that happens people need to figure out what their off-ramps are and that's why i created locals prageru is on locals like we're really blowing up there's other you know you can be on rumble instead of youtube and you know there's all sorts there are some options right now to keep you like sort of roughly safe okay but we do need it's what you said earlier we need a parallel economy i mean i truly believe that at this point we need different banks we need different educational institutions we literally need different restaurants yeah i really mean that like you will just go right now in l.a everything's still freaking mask and you got all that whole thing we need people that will say i'm going to open a restaurant and i'm just going to keep this thing open and i'm going to put my butt online and our cops going to really show up and arrest me maybe they will or maybe we all have to seed this ground i mean that's what we were talking about right before we got on is like maybe we have to seed the ground and let them burn what should be a an incredible city because of this weather and the geography and everything else and that entertainment once was good and it was all birthed here like there should be something so awesome about l.a and everyone knows that there isn't anymore like that's a pretty depressing reality um but there are other places and i think we will just have to build new things what prageru does for education what daily wire what the blaze what they do for news right like we just have to keep building things but it's like yes they will still come for you every which way so they'll they'll go for the servers they'll go for the payment processors god only knows what else they could do exactly what like that's as i said at the beginning like i'm always worried not about the things i can think of it's the other stuff yeah and i don't know what that is and they do they do and yeah we have personal experience with that i mean look at everything that happened with with paypal and you know these these banks are all working on all of the crt stuff and and the gender theory and they're working on alienating people out of their out of their services and we had ours uh our server on jw player and they they nixed us immediately and had had no real explanation for as to why they did it of course we know why they did it but there's so many different ways that this could go wrong and even when we try to retreat and create our own parallel it can go wrong again sure but there is a silver lining there which is since i've gone dark this whole time right i'm giving you a dark give me some optimism and i'll lighten it up a little bit the the solution is that as we build things we will build things based on competency we will hire engineers based on competency not on skin color we will hire doctors to perform heart surgery and brain surgery based on skill not on gender or sexuality so if we do it properly if enough of us are brave enough to be like yeah let's really self-select out and then what will happen is we'll build good things right and the things that they build will crumble yeah they will crumble because look what's happening acro look at all of our educational institutions they're all crumbling because they imported those bad ideas so let them have those things now the thing that sucks if you live in california it's like i don't think necessarily the storm troopers are coming to grab people out of their beds tomorrow but but slowly there will be a degrade of the system we're seeing that more homelessness the roads suck you know blah blah blah yeah right it will just sort of it'll slowly slowly escalate but then again it's always like it slowly escalates and then it really escalates and where are we on that map i don't think anybody really knows yeah and at what point do we get trapped in the state that's not serving us at all which is a question we get asked a lot on the show is california worth saving and is it worth saving from the inside because we're both on the inside you know i told er everyone knows this already but when the lockdowns first started so you know this is like maybe a month in so you know something like march or maybe april of 2020. i had michael knowles and his wife over for dinner and we're having dinner and we were really pissed about california and like we were just like all right we're both gonna get out of here and then we had some whiskey and after about two hours of whiskey we were both like no we're gonna stay we're gonna fight and stay the next morning i kid you not the next morning the daily wire announced they were moving to nashville hilarious and he was like i didn't know but okay i guess we're out of here but i said i would fight i would stay and fight and i and then when the recall happened in cali i was like i now really have something to fight for for the next year and i gave it everything i had obviously i thought that larry elder was the guy to fix this thing i think he is a good decent man and having nothing to do with the color of his skin and he was treated horribly by the media the the way that big tech even manipulated it when i was googling him at the height of the recall you put his name in google in like 12 of the first 15 stories all hit pieces he's the black face of white supremacy you know the drill yep um so the question is it went poorly to say the least the recall obviously it did not go the way i wanted and is there a glimmer of hope here i don't know what it is yeah i honestly don't except that it's 82 and sunny every day yeah it's not humid it's true and i you know we had the same we have this discussion all the time and at a certain point you think i i think i need to leave these people to really feel feel the weight of their actual policy changes feel the weight of their ideology and that you don't feel it until the boot kicks you and the military boot gets you and that's the unfortunate reality of it but it is the reality of it yeah and to be somebody who sat in the space and fought for so long and to hear you say it is really interesting no i know well i think a lot of people kind of look to me like oh reuben's like got some hope for cali for the whole year of lockdowns and everything i was on fox basically every day i was doing my show and everyone was always asking me about cali and my thing was well the recall's working we got two million signatures we got a great candidate like there was always this hope thing now it's like not only did it go poorly but you know a day after literally the day after the recall what's the first thing that newsom does he makes sure that in la they put new mask mandates on even though nobody's getting sick here anymore and then what did he do just three four days ago now it's all malin voting mail and voting where you literally if you put your envelope up to a freaking soft light like this you can see right through it do you think maybe that would lend itself to cheating so it's like if you don't believe in the machinery anymore a system only works if we believe in it or at least if enough of us believe in it right i don't believe in it so yeah maybe that's the only option and it's so another part that's interesting and the part that we share is we did not always think like i used to be a this nut bag if three years ago i would have been on the other side of this argument and probably yelling at you and calling you an extremist yeah but now so more than ever like i said everybody's living in this haze and if you're not uh if you're politically apathetic that now's the greater time than ever to change people's minds and to grab people what do you think for you is is key to changing minds in this craziness well i'll give you another silver lining which is that the more hysterical they get and the more they tell young people to wear masks and don't go out and don't see your friends and don't date and don't do any of the things that young people need to do like young people are waking up you know like i know some kids in college and i go to colleges and they are frustrated with this can you curse they can't really curse you i don't want to upset the good people nothing has ever slipped out on this ship you know so so because people yearn to be free people learn yearn to think for themselves they really do and that's why these people are so hysterical about everything yeah because it's anti-human what they're doing but people want to be free so i do think they are red pilling an awful lot of people the more hysterical they become and when you hear them say these crazy things 3.5 trillion dollars won't cost us anything and what they mean by that is it won't add to the deficit now first off that's a lie because we're always borrowing money in the first place so if you spend money you're spending more than you've got but what their point is oh no no we're just going to take it from the rich people and the corporations well you know if you take money from somebody else to pay something it still costs something you just stole it from somebody right but it's still cos you go to chipotle and like they're like all right you want that burrito it's 10 bucks and you punch the guy behind you to take his money and get it give it it still costs 10 bucks yeah it didn't cost me anything i just punched this rich idiot yeah like so everything they say is a lie and i think the more we expose those lies the better it is and you know the truth will set you free like that really that really is it i think our message is so much better and i would turn this on you and say you know since i sort of had this evolution or this shift whatever you want to call it i can tell you people on the right libertarian traditional conservatives even religious conservatives whatever it is people on the right are so much nicer yeah so much more pleasant so much funnier so much more joyous and generous of spirit and it's not like that on the left it's just they are endlessly miserable they are oddly competitive about nothing they they always want to be proven right and what i've come to realize really is that it's it's something like this it's basically conservatives whatever this thing is that we're now part of conservatives want to understand the world and liberals or lefties want to control the world and that's a very fundamentally different thing i do not want to control the world i i fully accept the world was here before me and will be here after yeah i i'm okay with that so i want to understand it as much as i can when i'm here i don't want to control it but they want to control it and how we negotiate that is going to be the tricky part you're absolutely right i all that just gave me flashbacks to my former self and i was i was miserable i was so angry and yeah when you're on the left specifically when you work for the left so that was a specific experience for me but you wake up every day to search for injustice and to search for something wrong even where there's nothing because oppression is currency on the left you you have to wake up and look for it and look for it and look for it and of course it's going to make you angry yeah and you're just a miserable person and when people don't mimic the things that you're saying and they don't they don't approve of what you're saying the defensiveness and just the the sheer anger that you feel being on the left is nowhere to be seen on the right no it really isn't and that doesn't mean that everyone on the right is so perfect and so great and that we don't have disagreements and things sure but there's i think there's a tacit understanding like oh the world exists it exists it's a big thing that has evolved over time and humans are flawed and believe different things and like our the best we can do is kind of imagine manage that while we're here and hope that you know good ideas prevail the left is very different on that if only you gave bernie who's never done anything bernie in 30-something years of congress i think he has in the senate he has one bill i think attached to his name which i think had something to do with the post office or something he's never worked a real job but he knows he knows that if you just made sure that the government could force people to pay 15 an hour to all their employees that that would be better yeah they've tricked people into thinking that saying nice things without thinking about them is virtue and it's actually the reverse of virtue because emotion is so powerful when it comes to that and you can you can tell blatant lies to somebody's face but so long as they're shrouded with emotion it works oh yeah that's that's big well that's what they do that's why aoc if you watch aoc if you i wouldn't recommend putting it on with volume yeah horrific and intriguing but if you just watch aoc if you watch her body language when she's talking it is a little bit like hitler and i'm not comparing her to hitler but but in terms of the overly emotive that everything is this has to be happened and it has to happen now or you saw that thing with greta thundberg but it's like if you watch her this girl how old is she she's like 18 now i think she's 18. she was 13 when this all started yeah that's even that even proves my i mean this girl is aging poorly yeah but it's because she's because she's going on hate she hates all of us she hates you know what she kept saying at this speech the other day i think it was called the climate for justice or justice for climate thing or something she kept saying you know the they've done it wrong the democrats have run around they've all done it wrong everyone before it's done wrong it's like man when that angry little girl gets a little bit of power do you know what she would do to all of those people who got it wrong and and that's a very scary premise the sad part about her and why i differentiate her from aoc is that she's being manipulated and that's been really sad to see a girl who was 13 years old obviously not cognizant of of really the things that she's saying and what she's advocating for to now be 18 and doing the same thing it just shows aoc is like what and doesn't know what she's saying either so i'm i'm not giving aoc the background you're like let me not i'm not gonna let her slide on that one an interesting thing about your experience obviously we both had our little shift but you had much of your shift happen live people got to watch you watch you go through that progression what is that like and how was that received by the general public well in terms of how it was for me i mean i really was just saying what i thought like it felt like when in those two years when it was really happening so like 2015 2016. right before i did the prageru why i left the left video it was like i was just getting up there and at the time we were doing my show once or twice a week i was just waking up in the morning and i was like something ain't right i'm just going to talk about it that really was it i never it wasn't planned it wasn't like premeditated that was it but the show started to have like a link like it sort of felt like a season where it was like oh i went this happened and now this next thing happened but these things are all connected as opposed to just episodic things that had nothing to do with each other and people started kind of coming along for the ride and a lot of people you know it's funny now everybody or not everybody but a huge amount of people are like yeah the progressives are nuts the left went crazy liberalism has failed like all the stuff that i was saying five years ago and i'm not saying i was the first person ever to say it by the way when i sat down with dennis for the first time for example and he was talking about dealing with that in like the 80s that he thought the lib the lefties weren't acting liberal or i talked to david horowitz who was sort of the first why i left the left guy this was a a guy who was you know a lifelong lefty children of he was a son of marxist he was a lefty his whole life and then in i think 1984 for reagan's re-election decided to vote for reagan and then wrote this thing about him leaving the left in essence and the way that they treated him so horribly and now obviously he's a big trump guy and a conservative but i was just honest about the thing and then suddenly what started happening was i was getting crazy amount of hate from the left yep crazy even though i wasn't saying i was saying guys we as lefties have to be better we have to defend free speech we have to be more open we can't call everybody racist i wasn't saying i hear you right i wasn't saying like crazy you know evil stuff but i was getting an unbelievable amount of hate from the left and then what really i think allowed me to take the next step was i started getting all this love from these people on the right but it wasn't that they were like oh i agree with you on everything they were just like all right we could see you going through your process and that's powerful that's powerful and then they would say all right dave well i still disagree with you on abortion let's say but i you seem like a nice guy like you come over for dinner right and that feeling so to just do that live i think that is kind of what what did put it on the map for so many people and then of course i had that moment with larry elder that that has now been seen like five hours i think 3.5 trillion times if i'm not mistaken that is amazing wow so you know i i think there is something super powerful about watching somebody go through their ideological progression because so often we have these personalities who are just staunch in whatever it is that they believe and you got to be this fluid person that people really watched and followed you through your life so that's amazing yeah and it really was and is real like i'm not bullshitting up there i did it okay um i'm not when i'm when i'm doing my show even like i really like i have one producer michael you know him i send him stories in the morning we have a little bit of back and forth maybe on how we're gonna do it i don't have anything scripted i have you know the title of the story and i know if i have to throw to a video or something but then i just share what my thought is at that moment and i don't pretend that i am something that i'm not so if you turn on cnn there was this moment a couple days ago where lemon and uh cuomo they kept saying that they're real journalists but people on the right aren't real journalists we don't lie but and it's like first off i'm not a journalist i'm a guy that's sitting in my house telling you what i think whatever you want to call me is fine but that's what i'm not pretending to be saying i'm not but the idea that cuomo pretends and don lemon and stelter that they pretend that they're journalists as opposed to activists when they're just parroting democrat talking points when they lie about brett kavanaugh being a serial rapist and the covington kids being racist and the jesse smilet story and russia hoax and everything that they lie about endlessly and then they run cover now every time biden does something stupid or the fact that we all know he has dementia and nobody's allowed to talk about it so it's like i'm not pretending to be anything other than i am and you can like it or not like it and actually that's just fine with me but they're pretending and again that goes to that chasm that we were talking about before it's like what they're doing is so different from the reality that i live in that i don't know how long a society can last in that situation not because i don't want to live in that society but they don't that's the difference yeah they're the ones who sing they don't want to be here and they hate everything and we're the ones causing the problems when clearly that's not the case we just want to be left alone exactly just leave me alone the government and the media just leave us alone that's all we want uh but let's have a conversation about intent because i i view you know the average leftist that walks across the street and is talking about black lives matter and we need to allow all legal immigration and all this stuff i view those as people who have been manipulated by the media and they truly have the intent of being compassionate and saving the world which is was my intent when i was on the left but i viewed the the don lemons and the chris cuomo's and the aocs very differently do you think they actually believe that they are doing something that is right or are they aware so this is a great question because no one really knows unless i was really in their head sure no one knows the answer to that question yeah what i can say is that i agree with you on the on the foot soldier or the average young person who has been trained to not not know if your genitals have something to do with your sex in a weird way i don't blame them they grew up in a very backwards manipulated world where up is down and left and is right and good is bad and all that stuff so i don't necessarily blame them i have sympathy for them and i actually think that with the right ideas we can hopefully get them out of some of that stuff so the real question is the guys that are driving this that lie about everything right cuomo and lemon let's see like what is in their heart of hearts i used to be friends with don we used to hang out and go to dinner he was not crazy not so much yeah he was not crazy i don't know that person anymore we never had a negative word between us one day he just unfollowed me on twitter and then i took that as the sign of okay we're not gonna be friends anymore so be it um i would have continued that and i think i would have been reaching out to him to to be like let's heal some of this stuff now it's like well your question is intent like they they have to be bad the intentions have to be bad well in their own mind they're good because what they think they're doing is stopping nazis because they've become so corrupted basically by by the the stuff and so i i can't besmirch the intent i can besmirch i suppose the the confusion that leads to it do i think that they wake up every day and they're like let's do evil too no i think they have so swallowed the blue pill they have so like just taken the whole bottle and just chugged it that they genuinely look like you know at people like us and they think we're bad guys trying to unleash something on society when all we're trying to do is save the very thing that allows them to spout that nonsense in the first place and then you try to have the dialogue and they don't want the dialogue which is exactly how i was i painted this caricature of what it meant to be even a classic liberal and a conservative and i thought oh my gosh these are the big boogie men who want to they want to see me dead they don't want to see me be successful in this country they want me they want me six feet under and then you meet them you've been to my crazy right wing parties yeah anyone attacking you there no there's no burnt crosses oh you didn't well you left early yeah but did you have that experience of stepping in and going oh this is nothing like what i thought yeah i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe it and even now i sometimes can't believe it really like when i first so i did the why i left the left video for prageru suddenly i'm at dennis's house smoking cigars and i'm like wait a minute two months ago i thought this guy was evil i'm i'm you know talking with larry elder and i remember listening to him on the radio when i thought he was nuts and now he's not and shapiro i thought hated gays and and it's like no none of those things really are true and you know i hang out with glenn beck and he's like one of the best human beings on planet earth and none of these things are true and that yet they'll still be even now in 2021 if i'm at like some event like i'll sometimes have a moment where i'm like wow i really am part of this i can't i can't believe i'm part of this and it and it just doesn't matter if we have political disagreements right it does not matter yeah when you enter the world it is very small you find out very quickly that everybody is just sort of which i i learned very quickly but i get asked this question a lot and it's was there a certain moment where you realized oh i'm going down this rabbit hole of i'm changing my ideology did you have that moment at all i mean there were a couple moments like seminal moments for me where things really like ramped up so the larry elder moments like the most famous one for me yes um two others that i described in the book i'll tell you one real quick is uh you know david webb on siriusxm yes so david who is a conservative who i would say happens to be black it does not matter i used to have a show on siriusxm and i was a lefty at the time and i bumped into him in the hallway and i knew he had a show because the in the hallways there was all the studios were in glass so i would always see this guy in his thing doing his show and he was on a political channel and i wanted to do that so i said hi to him we started chatting he's like yeah why don't you i wish i could do it david with come on you got that dude he just got a birthday come on my show and i will do a show that was hard oh we gotta send that to david how you doing webb he said he said come on you know we'll do a show so so once a week basically i would go on his show i was on the left he was on the right and we'd talk it out and then downstairs from uh sirius xm in new york city is del frisco's great steak joint we go down we have steak we have whiskey and we became great friends and then flash forward a year or two i'm on the young turks and so now i'm a lefty i'm on like this far left you know progressive network and they're showing a clip of david webb and he's on fox at the time and they're calling him an uncle tom and a sellout and all of this stuff and suddenly it it hit me man like like lightning because it was like wait a minute these people who purport to be tolerant and diverse and everyone else is racist and all of that stuff here they see a black man who's just saying some stuff that they disagree with he's saying some stuff about taxes or i don't even know what we were talking about it doesn't even matter and they think that gives them license to say all of the worst things about him to attack those motivations to attack his immutable characteristics in essence they're saying he's a traitor to his skin color that's racist and because i knew him it wasn't just like a guy in a box you know what i mean it wasn't just like guy on tv that you don't really know it was like this is my friend this is my friend and that was one of the moments it was just so starkly like who are the racists here and who is not and i i always say when when you're going to go through that change or at least start to accept other people's opinions it has to hit you personally yeah and that's a strange thing and it's really hard because we try to change people's minds on our shows and talk to people but it really has to be a personal experience that truly affects you yeah i remember for me at one point when i was working for the left i was working on a project called the groveland four and it was a documentary that was put out about these four black men who were wrongfully accused of rape in florida a horrible situation two of them ended up getting killed uh subsequently after this whole whole onslaught of attacking happened and at the very same time that i was working on that project the brett kavanaugh scandal happened so i'm working on this documentary and and going to show kids this and convince them of their oppression you know the whole spiel and this whole cavanaugh thing is happening in the background i remember seeing it being like we are not treating him the same way we treated those four black men in the same way that we're talking about them right now and i went to my boss and asked him about and he goes well it's not the same well why is it not the same i mean it's it's quite literally the same and she he goes well he's a white frat boy looking dude he definitely do it he definitely did it he should hang wow he should have so using the words he should hang while working on a project about young black men in the lynching era of america in florida and i remember thinking oh well now it's personal well that's why i'm saying what horrible things greta thundberg would do yeah because think about what your boss basically said there yeah as he's doing it like the irony the irony is so thick it can't be lost right it can't be lost yeah and and that is that is the problem when when we build our parallel economy or or if we really split off into red and blue to the point where there's almost no overlap is that the red states will basically want to be like all right we're doing our thing happy to be here you know you're welcome if you want to come and you got to be decent and you know not vote in all the crazies but the other states are still going to want the stuff because also they're so driven by jealousy so once they see the disparate outcomes of how the societies will operate my god their hospitals actually work and their economies work and their roads are clean and wait a minute there aren't homeless people on every corner and they're going to want in on that yep so i don't know how you solve for that i really don't know i had tucker on my show tucker carlson a couple weeks ago we discussed it he doesn't know i've talked about it with a lot of our friends and like nobody really knows like do we have to freaking build walls around states i don't know yeah do we have to have national guards that are going to protect states like from other states i mean these are crazy things and not things that are fun to think about no but we are in a weird time and i think it's realistic yeah at this point yeah it is what it is interesting well that's a semi-optimistic way to sort of close yeah good guys win in the end that's the truth that's the true story it's the true story of humanity it doesn't mean a lot of bad things don't happen it doesn't mean a lot of unimaginably bad things don't happen but the human spirit figures out a way to continue and if we are so evolved now and we have we have we are evolved and we have so many tools to fight for the things that we want to fight for and the real truth is so much of the the energy that is coming at us all the time and all of this social justice stuff it's nothing it's being amplified by algorithms and all those things but just stand up to these people don't let them abuse your kids if they're if your kid is going to school and being taught because they're white they're evil or whatever it is like don't let them do that like if enough people would that's how it will be solved it is not it is not that oh my god we voted for the guy who i really liked and he got in there and saved me there's they're not going to save you you can save yourself that is all you can do yep guys do not have anything better to do look in yeah that's very very true that's a good one that's a good one yeah do not look up looking there you go dave thank you so much for being on the show uh can we talk about how people can support you i know you have your book here you've got locals you've got your show i've got my show and i've got to go to the dentist in a half hour a yeah drill situation support him to make him feel better after the death i'll look in the camera right there i only want to promote one thing which is locals i think we've built something really really great and if you are a creator or anyone that does anything that is worthwhile that people want to subscribe to so that you can put your content there and own it and have a slick app and get push notifications out in live chat and live video streaming and make sure that big tech is not owning your life locals.com amazing dave thank you so much for being on truly it's it's a pleasure i wish we could have done a joe rogan and gone for three hours but next time guys please like subscribe click the notification bell to be notified every single day when we go live 2 30 pst 5 30 eastern if you would like to listen to us rather than watch you can go to google play spotify apple podcast leave us a five star review so that we know that you love the show and that everybody else knows that you love the show also if you'd like to get a text sent to your phone to let you know when we're live text live two four one seven seven six that is live two four one seven seven six real quick we got a super chat question for dave i wanna read it's very quick um and lighthearted still so steve asks uh dave who's your favorite star wars character and favorite star wars movie character i mean it's cliche to say boba fett but you know so much of star wars has been so mangled but i would say boba fett you know from from empire really you know almost everyone says that empire is the best movie so yes in terms of like movie like top to bottom it is the best star wars however i think the prequels are getting better and better as time goes by speaking my language and because there's an incredible story of power and accumulation of power and why i mean it's so many things we're talking about right now and yes the dialogue is stiff and hayden doesn't know how to act and all that stuff but revenge of the sith is almost an absolutely perfect movie it could have been a little bit darker we could have slaughtered those younglings on camera there could have been a little more of that but it is pretty darn good oh my goodness no i think the prequels are severely underrated they're getting better i'm telling you and then because the last three were so bad i don't even count those they don't count and if you can remove them from your brain if you can do that then there's still a beauty to start the men in black mind eraser because by the way now you got me going on because because what happened the original star wars everyone knows the story but george lucas was fighting the system right he was fighting the studios when he was doing it so he was the rebel fighting as he was writing the story about the rebels so that's the story that he wrote for the original three then he gets a little bit of money he starts doing more maybe bit off more than he can choose so he ended up directing all three of the prequels he wasn't necessarily the best director because he only had directed the first one not empire or a jedi and but they are what they are they were still true to the original then you get disney involved now you have the giant corporation involved with 800 000 people and diversity quotas and then suddenly you know what's his name uh uh who was the black guy i can't even remember john boyega john boyega but who what was the character it's all so stupid i can't believe i remember these things but finn you know he was supposed to have this love story with uh the asian girl no with uh rith ray oh yeah their movies are so bad it's like i'm trying to mentally but then they didn't you know in the china market they didn't want this weird interest so they dropped that and then they wrote a trilogy how do you write a trilogy without having three stories already written they literally wrote it jj then they hand it to what's his name who hates star wars the middle guy and then they bring it back for jj and that last one he tried like i i kind of empathize with jj it's like he tried to fix that thing but i'm just like jaw dropped at the sheer passion at the time because now i'm working well guys that's a perfect way to close out we're all set here thank you guys so much for watching again always support dave rubin uh he's a great man ah he's all right bye guys peace