Bisexual Superman, Southwest Airlines Chaos, & Columbus Is Hitler? Will & Amala LIVE

on my instagram feed today new post from amela epinobi don't let anyone gloss over or rewrite our history happy columbus day columbus day is not happy what i'm gonna leave a comment here oh my gosh how are you celebrating this genocidal disease-ridden maniac white supremacist who came to destroy the indigenous peoples and how dare you suggest that he achieved something great for western civilization he didn't discover anything they were already there what a bigot i can't believe it you're who you who's rewriting history it's you oh my gosh anger emoji anger emoji anger emoji post what you have to say for yourself amilah i have a lot to say for myself guys i'm fired up today i'm fired up i'm not going to let this slide i'm going to show you the instagram post again here's what has happened to me today today's been today's been quite a day for me now i put out this twitter post this morning don't let anybody gloss over or rewrite our history happy columbus day and on twitter surprisingly in the echo chamber that is twitter this tweet did all right it was there was no problem i didn't get a lot of hate comments on it as is per usual for my twitter uh but i put it on instagram and what i don't know what happened something must be in the water today but people were not happy about me saying happy columbus day i want to go through some of these comments here and see what we got uh let's see not everything is rosy but i love this country i love that one christian now i want to find the ones that hate comments that i got for the record it wasn't a disney movie when he arrived and humans are not indigenous to the americas that one's just confusing humans are not indigenous they just canceled indigenous people themselves they just can't they're denying their existence you are literally denying the existence of indigenous people in america which is i don't know that's crazy but people are coming after me and i'll find some more some more uh comments for you guys but a lot of people hopped in the comments section and are just like how dare you celebrate a man that caused genocide and smallpox and and killed a bunch of native americans and all this horrible stuff all this whole entire campaign to rewrite the very nature that is columbus day if you guys are unaware there's also indigenous people's day that has been uh written into the books and recorded now to to coincide with columbus day and so many people gave me heat for simply saying happy columbus day so let's talk about christopher columbus let's talk about the evil man that you read about in your howard zen book and are now commenting on my instagram about because this is amazing honestly what i think is what i think happened is a lot of people just read a bunch of vox headlines about christopher columbus and now they feel the need to comment about what a genocidal maniac he is without acknowledging the fact that he's very much responsible for the discovery of the americas and the creation of the new world and a lot of people commented on their on this post because i put a little american flag next to happy columbus day and they said he didn't even discover the americas you're not even educated on what columbus did let's talk about columbus and his discovery of the west indies and how brave this man truly was how brave this genocidal maniac that is columbus truly was so columbus was born poor vastly illiterate he lobbied to do this sailing trip of which he really was not super trained for uh in in portugal was denied to do that lobbied for years years in in spain and finally got got the go-ahead to go ahead and travel and by travel i mean taking a small crew on some ships out into the open ocean not knowing where he was going to land and without true hard instruments with just a map and a compass that's what columbus did and and through sailing to the americas had to experience several times in which the men on his boat tried to mutiny against him in order to sail back to spain but columbus forged ahead and eventually discovered the west indies and when he did he found a tribe of native americans what were those native americans doing eating each other eating each other they were cannibals they were eating particularly fetuses and babies because that was considered a delicacy and columbus came and was going through one of the first diplomatic political ventures that had ever happened in these lands the first person to do that and now we've decided to to denigrate christopher columbus and paint him as some sort of genocidal maniac who had a complete disregard for the natives which if you go and read his writings that's absolutely not true either so from our from our cushy little apartments on our iphones while we're sitting watching netflix people are posting about what a horrible person christopher columbus is and how he's not representative of america and you know what i say to that christopher columbus is not representative of america christopher columbus was way stronger and way braver and and way ballsier than any american that lives today who went on a trip not knowing where he was going to land not knowing what he was going to find with his men mutinying against him carrying nothing with him but his faith his faith in the lord his his christianity and landed in the west indies and created the ventures that would eventually create the new world and the america that we now sit very cushy in today so it's amazing to me the response that i got for this tweet all right well tell us how you really feel i am telling you how i really really feel you cannot i'm i'm just going to keep reading no please you cannot take a historical figure like this that was simply acting in the interest of god in the inter interest of country and in the interest of his own historical time and then take what he has done transmit it through the lens of modernity and then judge him by today's standards if you were if you were living back then and taylor made this point if you were living back then in the time that columbus was living in and and you got the go-ahead to go on this venture guess what most of you probably wouldn't do it because you'd be too weak to do it but christopher columbus did it and you would be acting in the same interest and through the same historical lens as he was because what he did was acceptable in the time just like it's not acceptable now so you don't get to judge people historically through the lens of modernity you don't get to do that and if we did do that we would be cancelling nearly every single historical figure that we hold on a high pedestal today we would be canceling martin luther king we'd be canceling obama we'd be canceling mother teresa we'd be canceling the dalai lama we'd be canceling abraham lincoln if we truly viewed all these people through the lengths of modernity that we're trying to view christopher columbus as they would all be cancelled we would end all of their days we would change uh mlk's day to cheating husband day that's what we would do we would change mlk's day to to pro gay marriage day because he was anti-gay marriage we would do the same thing with the day that i'm sure we're going to create for obama someday because they all function through a different lens that does not uphold in modernity now at least not to leftist standards so what do we do with christopher columbus what do we do with him erase him from history and just assume that the uh the blessings of modernity that we uh enjoy today just appeared out of thin air and we can take them for granted and just know that things will will always be successful and prosperous and um never no one has to actually like take risks or you know be courageous and go explore the unknown and um attempt great things right we can just all be taken care of and sit back and and just learn about how wonderful the government is to take care of us and uh how great our progressive ideas are and we can you know that's all we really need to worry about right i hope that you are a perfect human being right now i hope that you are absolutely perfect that you do no wrong in these moments right now because 200 years from now when people are reading about you and they find out that you don't uphold the standards of 200 years in the future you're gonna get cancelled so i hope that everybody right now who's commented on this post hating on christopher columbus is an absolutely perfect ideal human being you better scrub your twitter feed right now delete everything you've ever tweeted because they will search it and they will find you and you will be canceled that is exactly right now i want to get into some other comments about christopher columbus this is a story out of the daily wire nba's popovich italian americans honoring columbus like being proud of hitler because we are german and i see people actually posting in the comments right now under this youtube stream that liking christopher columbus or celebrating christopher columbus is like celebrating hitler it amazes me and it speaks to the fact that people have not done any reading about christopher columbus outside of a pistol uh people's history of the united states of america by howard sin and that total repainting of who he was as a man as i said he was one of the first people to actually create diplomatic political actions in the west indies and many times in regard to native americans in saving their lives actually there were colonials who had come and wanted to kill native americans and through diplomacy christopher columbus stopped that from happening so he's not a genocidal maniac who had a complete disregard for native americans he's actually very far from it and if you read about him he actually anticipated the way that he was going to be judged and he says that when you do judge me judge me as a captain who came into a world that was completely different from the world that he was living in was far less diplomatic was far less established had no form of of true true actual governance and he had to come and work that out on his own with nothing but a compass and a map so while you're you're tweeting from your iphone i would love you to think about what you would do in in columbus's shoes but popovich talks about christopher columbus and we we go through this whole debate is it christopher columbus day is it uh you know indigenous people's day and he said should we we should be proud of hitler because we are germans and he's making he's obviously likening christopher columbus too hitler amazing seems like a totally apt comparison completely apt comparison because christopher columbus definitely went over to the west indies and killed six million people simply because of who they were and who they were born as yeah yep and showed uh showed absolute disregard for their lives it's just absurd and and i mean let me ask you what do you think the the motive is for denigrating columbus on this holiday what's the motive for renaming it indigenous people's day and erasing the feats of western civilization like what you know where does that come from uh i think it comes from the same uh the same narrative that we call our founding fathers white supremacists it's that same exact narrative it's this effort to say anything that has been done historically by a white male in this country uh is is for not we should brush it off because they're all white supremacists they're all they're all neo-nazis they're all fascists that's what they're trying to do and that's an effort to erase our history so that it can be rewritten through this leftist lens through the 1619 project through critical race theory through gender theory because if we do that if we solidify that the founding of our country that we have so long accepted because it is objectively true if we solidify that that's actually false that it's actually evil that it was actually harmful instead of creating one of the best countries in the world creating the new world itself we can rewrite everything and we can tear down all the institutions that were created after that because we've labeled its foundation as evil if everything is founded in evil then everything must go right everything must burn and then we must create this new utopia where we accept a different form of history that that alienates christopher columbus that doesn't talk about the founding fathers that focuses on slave ships and indigenous people being genocided yes that's exactly and uh you know it is a relatively new phenomenon in u.s history and really world history in the west to hate our the own um our own heroes our own cultural heroes who did these great feats and i think it stems from the rise of this post-modern marxist ideology that that really spread in the 1960s that um caused us to it the goal of ushering in a marxist revolution is is why they want to set up america as evil as you're describing and if we and that that is you're literally playing into the hands of um ideologues and academics in the 1960s who planned this who tried to seed these ideas into our academy and into our institution and into our culture so that we would eat ourselves alive it's like and we're infected with an autoimmune disease and it is we're eating ourselves alive and hating our own culture and villainizing our heroes and uh just assuming that um our new modern sensibilities that are entirely theoretical are better than thousands of years of the development of morals and wiz and the wisdom from um judeo-christian values throughout all history and we can all we can just discard i like i think about this like look at the um the latest star wars movie you haven't seen it but they have this whole bit about like going to the old jedi temple and burning it down and you see this undertones in our culture left and right it's not left and right but like you know i mean all over the place of uh we we can dispense with the past that's the messages this week we don't need to all the traditional framework for how we think about ourselves understand ourselves in the context of history how we look at the great achievements that led to where we are today stemming all the way back to um roman athens and and jerusalem all that is is lan yap and hogwash and it should be atlanta because louisiana term sorry a little slip there but all that it should be should be completely discarded and uh so that in favor of the new revolution because we are so enlightened and if it was us living in those times we never would have committed any atrocities an utter lack of humility and ignorance and stupidity and you are no morally better than christopher columbus or the uh prison guards in in concentration camps for that matter you can't you can you you can't assume that you given the same set of circumstances you would have been any different and if you lack that humility as a human being you're capable of tremendous evil yeah and it's the same reason why you parrot everything that you read in a headline because you are a product of your environment you are a product of your era if you were born in that era you'd be parroting the same stuff that everybody else was saying you would not stick out and go well hey guys we we don't we don't need to go and talk about how the the indigenous people are uncivilized you would have held the same narrative you would have been that same person except really you would not have been christopher columbus because nobody was as brave as christopher columbus and christopher columbus saw something that other people didn't he saw a chance and an opportunity that other people didn't and he lobbied for years years repeatedly being turned down to go on these voyages and continue to fight for it and eventually did that so christopher columbus was the outlier of his time and to think that somehow if we were born back then we would be different and that we would not uphold the same transgressions that they did is asinine it's ridiculous yeah and the people who enabled the greatest atrocities in history um were people who did not look at were not aware of history honestly and did not um think for themselves they and i think that when you are running with narratives that usurp the history that we know and um just deny obvious facts about history and rewrite it to fit a narrative you are making yourself vulnerable to be somebody who enables the type of authoritarian authoritarian totalitarian uh actual genocide that you are criticizing i see people commenting right now do you actually think that we would be complicit in genocide yes you actually would you you would australia steps from it right now and people are still voting and supporting that it's voting for and supporting that so yes like look at the different lenses and it doesn't have to be through the same lens of of simple genocide and subjugating people look at australia look at how many people are complicit in other people being subjugated and having their liberties taken away obviously they're they're not going out in the streets and gunning people down yet they're just they're just spraying them with mace right for the great crime of leaving your house and beating them in the streets and why because they subscribe to a narrative and they are a product of their environment and their era they're taking the information that has been disseminated down to them and they are using that in their lives it seems to me that we think that people that we as individuals where we're so self-centered in ourselves and so self-righteous that we believe that through all injustice we would just prevail we would be above it all that's clearly not the case and if you look historically over and over this has happened over and over this has happened we focus so much on the natives and slavery look outside of america look at every single country every single piece of land that has ever existed and all the different tales of subjugation and killing and wars and genocide that has ever happened and it's because people are a product of their environment and what they hear and what they are taught and they go with those lines you've simply been taught that genocide was wrong which is great that you've been taught that i'm glad that we've all been taught that but if you weren't you would be doing it and it's just it's just a simple fact we do as we are told we do as we are taught and that's exactly why all this stuff around mandates and taking away people's freedoms are happening because we are told the narrative and sold it to us and then we adopt it yeah and if you're so worried about genocide how about um saying something and anything about the atrocities committed by stalin and mao and cheyevara throughout history that are unambiguously evil acts of tyranny that weren't done in inadvertently spreading diseases among natives but literally on purposefully starving millions and millions of people to death in concentration camps you it's just it's it defies reason if you're really concerned about atrocities i i never hear these people criticize these leftist leaders right and these these yeah radical communists you never hear anything about that you don't you don't and it's because we all think that we we are above being horrible human beings we all think that we are above uh everybody else that has ever been historically present we all think that no human today could ever commit such a transgression even though these things are happening right now genocide is happening as we speak slavery is happening as we speak look at different look at different countries in africa right now look at china look at north korea there is active genocide and slavery happening right now on this earth because people are subscribed to a narrative that allows that and people have been taught that since the day that we're born to think that people just automatically are self-righteous and rise above these things is false it's not accurate when it comes to the human condition so i i just don't understand this whole narrative around christopher columbus we are we are actively proving uh you know we are actively going against this narrative in today's time right now as we speak yet we can sit here and talk so much crap about christopher columbus and what a horrible person he is yeah on the in in the hemisphere and continent that he spread western civilization too and we're standing on his shoulder sitting on his shoulders right here today and you are too on your keyboard and your keyboard warriors out there and uh there's just absolutely no humility it's astounding it is astounding and i feel like we should move on because i've harped on this a little bit too long but that's my thoughts on christopher columbus in the onslaught of backlash that has been commented under that tweet post now moving on we're moving on to dc comics here's the here's the title out of new york post new superman revealed to be bisexual global activists in dc comics now let's get into what they're doing with comic books and characters and media and entertainment today now continuing a recent trend of comic book characters coming out as lgbtq superman is now confirmed to be bisexual and on the fight for global social issues according to dc team behind the characters who spoke to ign now i want to get to a quote in particular from one of the writers of this comic his name is tom taylor here's some of the graphics from the comic if you were curious although i don't know how many of you were actually curious about that but the question for john and for our creative team is what should a new superman fight for today can a 17 year old superman battle against giant robots while ignoring the climate crisis of course not can someone with super sight and super hearing ignore injustices beyond his borders can he ignore the plight of asylum seekers yes because he's fictional he's a fictional character so absolutely he can he can ignore the plight of asylum seekers no amela our cultural heroes need to be social justice warriors it's this is what happens when you have uh the colleges that these the people that writers in hollywood and everyone are taken over by ideologues and their biggest pursuit of meaning in life and everything that they can imagine of what it means to be a hero is no longer about these transcendent grand narrative stories or you know the being being truly heroic having courage and having you know discovering that you have unique power and learning how to use that to help people it's really just about being an activist for leftist politics that that is the ultimate summation of what it means to be a hero in today's day and age according to these people yeah and apparently we get we get labeled as conservatives as the people who are uh people who are indoctrinating i just don't see it i mean look at every single media outlet look at our entertainment look at our school systems where is the indoctrination truly coming from it's coming from the left and and superman did not used to be that it was not it was not swayable in any direction whatsoever it was completely unbiased it was merely for fun and entertainment for children why are children at the forefront of this political battle when it comes to the culture war right now it's because they know that children are susceptible to this and that if they teach them at a young age they will carry it with them for as long as they can and in their hopes that it will usurp parents powers when they're trying to teach their kids yeah this is obviously an an intentional effort to change the way people think about heroes and change the way children think about what it means to what they should aspire to your saying you're you're you're literally trying to indoctrinate them to become activists and you know we long for the days when movies and um our cultural stories were apolitical and we're more about universal human experiences and universal um human truths about what it what it means to uh take responsibility for your power and look out for other people and serve the world in good you know and instead we all all that our children have to look forward to now is the best the best you can hope to be in life is a pink haired activist yeah and it's what is the solution to this on on our side of things are we supposed to come out with separate comics that do the opposite no i think we should come out with comics that are just simply unbiased that are simply made to entertain kids but at this point what do we do what is our response to all of our media and entertainment specifically for children being tools for indoctrination i feel like there's a common theme here we're like we're for an honest telling of history when it comes to columbus when it comes to our founding fathers and the history of of race slavery in america we're totally willing to look at the ugly side of things and be honest but and then in the same way we just want neutral stories we don't need you to to make superman a republican we just want universally good heroic stories that like we've always had in western civilization yeah and even beyond that but um that's too much to ask for these people it's either this uh you it's our narrative or nothing and uh there i've been thinking about this lately like when's the last time you heard anyone talk about the idea of tolerance or pluralism remember that used to be a buzz word even among liberals it was like we're the tolerance people and now i've not heard anyone try to champion the idea of tolerance in i don't know how long and absolutely tolerance is about people who disagree with you and they have there's no longer room in these activist minds who are dominating all of our institutions for people who disagree and that's the same thing with the mandates that we're seeing now um across the country it's it's if you defy what we are mandating um you will be stamped out you will be your rights will be stripped and there's no room for pluralism people have different viewpoints coexisting in a society and they're they're taking any opportunity they have to stamp out anyone who disagrees and you know once upon a time the the left was the associated with with tolerance and right it's nowhere to be found these days the left also used to be super free speech super anti-establishment super anti any government system or government uh fbi cia anything you could think of the left was anti uh and now they're not they've completely shifted but i think you know there is a lack of tolerance on both sides i hear from conservatives and uh leftists that why should i ever hang out with somebody who doesn't have my views why should i ever have anybody in my life that doesn't support my views and we have we've transformed from accepting tolerance and saying you know we need to find a way to coexist to just absolutely throwing that out the window and while i do think that happens more so on the left than anywhere else i've met conservatives who do the same and that's not right how are we ever going to to reach a truth how are we ever going to create a society uh that which we can co-exist in without those conversations without doing it we cannot we cannot uh forget the virtue of tolerance when we're having these discussions yeah if there's to be any hope of this then we have to learn how to coexist with people with whom we disagree that's not to say that um you can't people be stand by what you believe in or ever have to compromise on it but it is to say that you need to make space for you know there will no one will ever just completely agree with you 100 and even in a small community much less in an entire country so if we don't have a country that's big enough for people who disagree which was the idea of america was founded on then what do we have at all or you can't you cannot have a functional society where there's no room for people to disagree you're absolutely right now speaking of switching narratives and and tricking people here is a story out of southwest airlines cnbc states here southwest canceled more than 1800 flights this weekend blaming weather and staffing [Laughter] you know apparently the weather only affects southwest and not all the other airlines right i haven't heard about any crazy snowstorms hurricanes anything anything wild happening on on our side of things on the northern side of things on the eastern side of things but southwest airlines is blaming the weather for their 1800 flights that have been canceled this past weekend what what really strikes me is that i'm pretty sure southwest mandated their vaccines and i'm pretty sure because of that they have far fewer staff than they were operating at before it seems just like no one's working around the country these days but yeah i mean this seems to this is a oddly um i don't know very sudden and very deeply impactful event that's really causing a lot of problems for southwest and it would be a shame if people were somehow standing up to mandates that were requiring them to do things that didn't want to do that had nothing to do with them performing their duties at their job it would it would be very strange if uh more people did this and we just had a total exactly meltdown yeah maybe maybe we a total restructuring of what what employers are allowed to do allege this all allegedly allegedly hypothetically hypothetically i feel like if a business mandated vaccinations and employees were not down with that mandate of vaccinations and they choose not to get vaccinated and then they choose not to work for that company anymore maybe that company would have a hard time keeping its doors open keeping people in the air and maybe that company would then publish a story blaming it on the weather when really they're understaffed but allegedly just this is all these are all hypothetical things we're not making any overt claims about this on our podcast i i absolutely would never make a claim about southwest airlines mandating vaccines and then not having enough employees to actually staff their flights and then having to cancel 1800 flights over this past weekend never we would never suggest that that protests in such way in organizing around standing up for what you believe in is an effective way to stand up for your values and cause things to shift back in your own direction never and and matt walsh tweeted here uh praying for southwest today they are being forced to cancel thousands of flights due to weather conditions that only affect their airplanes and nobody else's very unique weather phenomenon i mean it's very some might even call that racist because it's only affecting southwest airlines that's pretty discriminatory southwest is oppressed by the weather yes apparently yes the weather is discriminating against southwest airlines and allowing american delta frontier spirit united emirates anybody you can think of to remain in the air this is a pretty good list for someone who's only been flying for like six months hey what can i say i'm learning i'm a quick learner [Laughter] now one more story here uh and then we have a special guest on the show today by the name of robert p george who broke a story that we talked about earlier in this week this is by bill mclugan we're big fans of bill out here taylor and i actually met him at a charity benefit very nice guy but you may recognize bill's name because he works for fox la and he has been our man at the border with his drones on a helicopter letting us know what's actually happening at the border when the other mainstream media outlets won't do so here's what he tweeted out new what does it look like to not build the border wall our drone is overhead in far texas at one location where steel for the border wall has been baking in the sun and going to waste since january tens of millions of dollars worth of steel here already paid for and here is the video that goes along with this tweet let's get into it that was supposed to go towards football has just been sitting out in the open baking in the sun and rusting ever since january i'm told there are about ten thousand of these wall panels just sitting here this is in far texas each panel worth about five thousand dollars you can do the math upwards of 50 million dollars just sitting there going to absolute waste keep in mind taxpayers have already paid for this it's bought and paid for and nothing is happening with it this is one of two locations there's a second location right down the street from there where there's even more panels over a hundred million dollars worth of these panels just sitting there i'm told by a federal source they bought enough steel for more than 100 miles of wall down here only about 14 was built before president biden halted all construction take a look at this second piece of video our drone team shot where we're standing here in la jolla texas this is on saturday you can see more steel just sitting out here in the sun going unused this was ready to go into the ground they started building the wall out here in la jolla where they really need it we see runners coming through here all the time we've shown you guys video from la jolla for the past six months now you've seen how many people come through this area border agents tell us they really need the wall here they're incredibly frustrated they're not going to get it because they can't be everywhere at once and the wall would be a force multiplier for them to help create choke points and former ice director tom homan is not mincing his words he says it just doesn't make any sense to not build this wall given this current surge take a listen the secretary's decision let's take another tool away from the border patrol to make your job harder so there's even more got a ways look at where the crisis in del rio and rio grande valley are right now where are those tens of thousands of people coming across there you go that's the coverage by fox la and bill malugan over the steel that is sitting and rusting at the border in texas as he said a hundred miles were meant to be built and they have enough steel sitting there rusting in the sun for a hundred miles yet only 14 of them have been built at the texas border i don't know why these people aren't uh working on this i can't imagine i yeah i can't imagine why as as tens of thousands of immigrants flood the the texas southern border i can't imagine why they wouldn't want to be building the border wall solutions laying there right in front of you you already paid for it but it's just laying there for some reason but you know who's working on this with the asylum seekers bisexual superman yes 17 year old bisexual superman in a dc comic which i am not going to read but maybe i maybe maybe we will buy a copy and read it on the show that's right yeah his um yeah his whole his mandate as superman is to um help the asylum seekers so even if we built the wall um bisexual superman would just be flying them over the wall the time so yeah it's fine he would lift the whole caravan exactly and since he's working on climate change maybe he'll stop that steel from rusting in the sun as well very true maybe we maybe we'll get some benefit from from bisexual superman it's quite possible that we will uh it's just gets i don't know guys it just gets crazier and crazier every day and then i think you know what it's gonna people are gonna wake up from this i think people are waking up from this this is this is my hopeful do you think that people are waking up from this insanity i don't know i live in los angeles and so it's hard to believe that people wake up from insanity but honestly the southwest thing gives me glimmers of hope that was that's one of the things lately that i've seen that has given me more encouragement than i think or like just more optimism which we'll hear about a little bit about the difference between hope and optimism from robert p george here in a second yes but honestly like seeing people i mean hypothetically um organize stand up for what they believe in and refuse to comply with tyranny is something that i think will make a difference and um i don't know i think if enough people really get on board like now's the time to speak up now's the time if you're waiting if you're you know too scared to say something at your school or at your workplace or wherever you are in your community um don't wait any longer if you stay the scales can tip and we can make a difference and we can start to reverse this journey i do believe that still yeah that is exactly but you know people have to recognize that there's tyranny first and sometimes that takes it knocking right at your door but luckily we have somebody to talk to i know you guys have been talking we've been talking a lot about the woke universities and the woke colleges and all that fun stuff that's happening to our young people and our young conservatives who are trying to get higher education but we have a special guest on the show and i will just i'll just leave him to it you know hi everybody and on the show today we have a special guest by the name of robert george he is a professor at princeton university as well as one of our tenured five-minute video presenters we just put out a video this past week with robbie who uh went over the difference between a republic and a democracy mr george thank you so much for being on the program oh it's such a pleasure to be with you thank you oh thank you so you put out a story on twitter that really went viral everybody's been talking about it about a man by the name of dorian abbott getting somewhat canceled at mit and for our viewers that haven't heard this story yet i kind of want you to go over your your retelling of what happened here well yes mit the massachusetts institute of technology has a pretty good claim to being the most distinguished stem university in the world science technology engineering mathematics it's an extraordinary place filled with extraordinary scientists and other scholars dorian abbott is a geophysicist a tenured a member of the faculty at the university of chicago another very very distinguished institution and for his work in geophysics and especially his work in the area of climatology and astrophysics he was invited by mit to give one of its major distinguished honorific named lectures it's called the carlson lecture and he accepted that invitation and was scheduled to give the lecture on october 21st at mit everything seemed fine this is the normal way things are done in academia but then when the lecture was publicized a relatively small group of graduate students and other activists decided that they would try to get the lecture cancelled they campaigned to cancel the lecture not because of anything they anticipated professor abbott saying during the lecture which was going to be on how we determine what the climate is like on planets outside our solar system rather they wanted it to be canceled because they don't like dorian abbott's views on questions of affirmative action racial preferences and admissions and hiring and so forth diversity equity and inclusion professor abbott and a co-author had written a little piece for newsweek in which they criticize the current orthodoxy on university campuses when it comes to so-called dei diversity equity and inclusion and proposed instead that we replace that with what they called merit fairness and equality he made a perfectly reasonable argument for a perfectly reasonable position in fact commendable position in which we would be treating people as individuals not categorizing people by groups and awarding places based on group identity and and so forth but of course this was unacceptable to the woke so the mob formed they put pressure on mit and this distinguished institute of science and technology the massachusetts institute of technology in eight days eight days caved into the mob and canceled dorian abbott's lecture well when this came to mind it should amaze you it should horrify you it should horrify everybody this is not how science proceeds this is not how scholarship proceeds we do not let politically motivated mobs cancel distinguished scholarly or scientific lectures so i was not going to take this lying down when it came to my attention professor abbott brought it to my attention when it came to my attention i immediately shared the information with my colleagues at the academic freedom alliance which i helped have found some months ago i also took to social media particularly to twitter to call attention to the disgraceful behavior of mit officials at uh mit uh when mit refused to come to its senses on this when they informed the academic freedom alliance that they intended to maintain the cancellation of the lecture i then arranged for professor abbott to be invited to give the very lecture on the very date and at the very time it was to be given at mit at princeton under the auspices of the james madison program in american ideals and institutions which i founded and have the honor to uh to direct so the lecture's going to go forward people are going to hear in fact thousands upon thousands of people have signed up to hear it uh it's going to be by zoom and so we've had an amazing number of people registering to hear the lecture probably many more than would have heard it at uh at mit in fact i'm sure of that but this show is going to go on it's just not going to go on at um at mit it's shameful what mit has done here absolutely shameful disgraceful they should be hanging their heads or walking away with their tail between their legs really what they should do is say you know what we made a mistake we apologize we caved into pressure we should never have done that we're gonna we're gonna redo this thing here and we're going to have professor abbott come on october 21st and give the lecture in mit and i would grab gladly uh hand that lecture back over to them but since that doesn't seem to be happening we're going to be hosting the lecture at princeton yeah he's lucky he's he's had he's been able to network and create a wider audience for this but there are people that don't have that opportunity and it seems to be an epidemic within universities and these college settings i mean we saw it with peter pagosian having to leave his university we saw it with the the c-16 bill that jordan peterson had to deal with and it seems like professors nowadays who make completely benign statements that really point to a more objective truth or a better solution to everything going on right now are starting to be cancelled increasingly so what do you think that says about the college's university system as we have it today it doesn't say anything very good about contemporary higher education and it doesn't say anything any good about our culture what's happening at higher ed is reflecting broader trends in the intellectual one and indeed the popular culture but it's especially bad that it is happening in colleges and universities those institutions very reason for being is truth seeking and if we want the truth to be sought if we want to be a culture that has a flourishing truth-seeking project in our colleges and universities in our educational system we need to recognize that freedom of thought inquiry discussion expression is to intellectual life what oxygen is to biological life if we if we allow freedom of thought and inquiry and speech to collapse intellectual life in this cultural culture will die in the same way that if you deprive a person of oxygen for several minutes they're going to die and that would be a tragedy beyond reckoning and so that's why at least some of us in academic life are saying we are not going to put up with this we are not going to let this happen we are going to fight back with every breath in our body and by every legitimate means we can find and this is just one example of that of that fighting back and and because you're fighting i'm assuming you're optimistic about the situation with universities and colleges and the route that they're going to go down do you think the pendulum does truly swing back after all this insanity well i i can't confess to being optimistic but i can confess to being hopeful there's a difference optimism is a prediction of what's going to happen hope is a virtue and virtues are active things when one has hope one is dedicated to making it happen one plans to be part of the solution so that's what i have i have hope and i'm encouraged in that hope by so many of my fellow academics here at princeton and around the country including some who've now written in from mit who are appalled at what their institution has done so many people saying you know what we're just not going to allow this to happen we're not going to take this anymore we are going to fight back the academic freedom alliance being formed is a very good um step in that direction it's it's part of this movement movement of hope really keeping hope alive to turn things around in contemporary higher education amazing now funnily enough you just did a five-minute video with us that talks about the difference between a republic and a democracy and you make the point that a republic keeps power from being concentrated in one place and you talk about the the issue of mob rule now it seems like we are experiencing mob rule but not by a majority anymore it's by a very small minority that is starting to control the way our institutions function in america how do you think that happened and and what do you think the solution is to to this sort of rule the mob figured out a tactic that works at least it's worked for them so far and that tactic is intimidation they think and so far they've had a lot of success that by vilifying people stigmatizing people defaming people they will have all of us so scared that we will bend to their will either we will go along with what they want to do or we will stand by in silence as they do it now that's bullying that's all that is it's bullying the minority is getting its way by bullying now i don't know what your mom and dad taught you about what you do when you have a bully mind taught me is that you that you don't allow that bully to intimidate you you stand your ground against that bully and pretty soon you'll find them backing down because in the heart of every bully is a coward and when you stand up to a coward they're gonna they're gonna run away and i'm gonna stand up and i know a lot of my colleagues now in academia academia are going to stand up to these bullies amazing now i i've heard from a lot of conservative students we obviously our show is watched vastly by by young conservatives a lot of them are fearful of even entering colleges and universities now because they simply view them as indoctrination centers and this story out of mit that you've highlighted is is evidence of that what do you say to the kids who are no longer entrusting their education to universities and colleges is that a rightful decision or is that something that they should face and try to fix well i think you have to be careful in your decision making you have to be judicious in your judgment about where you're going to go to college there are colleges that are better in colleges that are worse there are some a handful mostly small places that are really good pretty much across the board and then there are others that are complete disasters uh and it's hard for me to recommend that a student go to one that's a complete disaster where that student is constantly feeling as though he or she is under pressure to conform whether he or she actually agrees or not where independence of thought is stifled where conformism is the is the rule but then there are a lot of institutions that are in between a whole lot of such institutions at these institutions everything depends on the courses you select and above all the professors who are teaching those courses so if you uh want to go to harvard for example it's one of those in between places and if you've you've got the credentials that will enable you to get into harvard you can get a great education at harvard even today now they're going to be some professors who are just going to do indoctrination and you have to worry that if you don't go along they'll even dock your grades there are such people it's terrible it's a real sin uh against the ethics of intellectual life to do that but it happens you'll know who those professors are the word spreads stay away from them you don't even learn from them anyway they're not really interested in teaching you they're indoctrinating you indoctrination is the very opposite of education it's the antithesis of education i'd rather people be ignorant than be indoctrinated of course i don't want anybody to be ignorant i want learning but if it's if those are the only two options indoctrination or ignorance i'll take the ignorance because at least then we still have hope we haven't turned people into automatons the day will come maybe when they can learn something but there are still plenty of professors again i'm just sticking with one example harvard uh the same would be true at a lot of great state universities around the country a lot of other private universities small and large around the country you choose wisely you choose the best professors you study with the best uh professors now at these institutions sometimes there are mandatory courses or courses that are mandatory if you want to do advanced work in a certain field and sometimes you're just going to have to put up with a professor that it would be best to avoid if you possibly could um there you just have to put your head down and pull through but even in those cases i would be very clear do not be a conformist challenge that professor if that professor is giving you a set of readings and they're all on one side that's what indoctrination is that's how it works they give you a set of readings on a controversial topic and all the readings are on one side the professor's own side you go to that professor privately you don't have to have a big confrontation and you say professor i've been doing these readings they're very interesting uh can you recommend a reading or two that challenges what i'm being told in the readings that uh i've had so so far i mean who are the best writers on the opposite side of this question no matter what the issue is put the professor on the spot i think at that point you're going to have a very embarrassed professor who's gonna start mumbling a few things whatever you do do not say things you don't believe even to get good grades we need some courage here including for our young people now we also need it for older people a lot of professors themselves are not exemplifying courage our biggest problem is is the lack of courage right now uh especially among uh the grown-ups but even as young men and women going through the educational process don't compromise yourself by saying things you don't believe even to get good grades that impacts your character you don't want that it might get you the a it might get you on to the next step but it has a negative impact on your character you need to be a truth teller you need to be a truth seeker and a truth seeker is a true speaker don't say things that are false i can't recommend that to anybody um just uh i'd put it in religious terms trust in the lord and move ahead uh speak the truth as god gives you to see the truth don't become a conformist wow everybody listen up are you taking notes because this is straight from the horse's mouth at princeton university you need to know that this is what you need to do now robert i want to end on on one final note now jordan peterson states that dialogue is the avenue to truth and now there's a group of people in this country and really across the world that is trying to shut down that avenue to truth and i place a lot of blame on students that try to cancel people like dorian abbott simply for having views that were so outside of the subject matter that he was going to be speaking about at mit but i also place a lot of blame on the professors and administrators that allowed that to take place what is your message to those people who are trying to shut down that avenue to truth i would remind them that we have the word academic and we use it in the way we use it today because of something that uh existed way back in classical antiquity in athens plato's academy where young men came to argue and debate now why did they come to argue and debate not just be indoctrinated they came because plato who was taught by his own teacher socrates believed as we should all believe that the way to get to the truth is to consider the best arguments on both or all sides of questions on which reasonable people of good will disagree and that is almost all questions i mean almost all questions that actually come to the fore in academic life are questions on which reasonable people of goodwill disagree i happen to be a conservative old-fashioned strong uh conservative but there are reasonable people of goodwill on the progressive side who disagree with me and if we're going to get at the truth of things i need to be open to listening to what they have to say listening to their arguments listening to the best arguments to be made for nationalized health care or whatever the issue is that they are uh promoting and they if they're to get at the truth of things need to listen and allow themselves to be challenged by people like me who challenge that progressive uh ideology that's how we're gonna get to the truth of things we're fallible all of us every single one of us we can make mistakes intellectual mistakes as well as moral mistakes and we can make mistakes not only about the small trivial superficial matters of like life we can make mistakes about big things and in the past we know conservatives have made big mistakes and progressives have made big mistakes if you want details i'll go into them for you so we know we're no better than our forebears we're made of flesh and blood and skin and bone we're fallible just as they are there are things we might very well be mistaken on again whether you're on the right or the left now how are we going to move if we are an error from error to truth how are we going to figure out that we're in error by allowing ourselves to be challenged if we shut down people who disagree with us we're going to be stuck in our era error we're going to be in that echo chamber constantly reinforced by our friends told that oh yeah you're right oh yeah you're right we're never going to get out of the rut of error and back on the track of truth so let's be socratic let's be like plato let's let's make today's academy like plato's academy where the best arguments the best positions the best that's been thought and set on competing sides of questions is shared with our students so that they can learn to think more deeply more critically and above all for themselves wow fantastic i think there's no better way to sum up that uh what i want to say is thank you so much for being on the show it's really been a pleasure if you guys want to hear more from this very brilliant man he does have a five minute video that we put out last week that goes over the differences between a republic and a democracy robert how else can people support you in your endeavors well i'm active in social media my facebook friend list has hit hit the limit although people can get onto the waiting list twitter there is no limit so i'm uh uh there my twitter handle handle is at mccormick prof uh also i have a website it's simply robert p george dot i think it's com co robert p george dot com i'm an old guy the social media is still something i'm getting the hang of robertp george.com which includes many of my writings access to mine to my books a calendar of my speaking engagements videos of my past lectures even my musical performances i uh i'm a bluegrass banjo player i was born and brought up in the hills of west virginia and that's our native music and i play a lot of banjo and some of my banjo videos are up so that website robertpgeorge.com uh is up there for anybody who'd like to learn more about what i think or how i sound that is great we're going to leave those links also down in the description below if you guys want to see more and hear more and read more robert thank you again for being on the show it's really been a pleasure it's my pleasure thank you what a great guest on the show man robert had so much to say so well spoken and he's a testament to the fact that there are still good professors out there at universities which gives me hope hope that's not just optimism not optimism no why can't we have professors like that in college i know i know um i'm also when are you going to let me off of your facebook friend waiting list i'm still oh who are you are you all maxed out you all maxed out on it is there a max out on facebook friends i'm just kidding no but no but seriously if you have a page infinity number of people can like it but if you if you have like your actual facebook friends like on your normal facebook then yeah it's like happens at like 2000 well that's something i didn't even know anyways well good for you robert and it is robert p george.com yes it is you found it and it is linked below so robertporch.com go and follow what he has to say learn some things listen to some banjo i'm sure there's a bunch of good stuff on there that was an awesome flex it was by the way i'm a banjo player it's like if you want to check out the videos right right anyway we all saw that coming that is the show for today i am going to be making an in-depth video about my take on 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