EXPOSED: The CIA's Darkest Secrets: Drugs, Coups, Mockingbird Media & Assassinations

[Music] ladies and gentlemen welcome to man in America I'm your host Seth H housee as we look at what's happening in our country especially heading into this election one of the questions that I often times come to and I base a lot of my research on a lot of the guests on is who's really controlling things we look at Kamala we look at Trump and we look at this system that we're living in that's been engineered in many ways and the question is okay who's really controlling this we hear these ideas and Concepts about the shadow government the Deep State Etc and so joining me today is my good friend Kent hecken Lively who is a prolific author uh that just released a book detailing specifically he co-authored with a former uh CIA officer the the depth of the cia's influence on America whether it's through the drug running whether it's through operation Mocking Bird and control the media or just the international power they have to do reg regime changes and all kinds of things and so this is going to be a little bit of a deep dive into the CIA the history of the CIA what they're currently doing now why the CIA hates Trump why the intelligence agencies hate Trump and more so folks please enjoy the interview with author Kent hecken Lively all right listen up folks I've got a new sponsor at hear.com I'd love to have you check them out if you've ever been frustrated with hearing loss here.com is exactly where you need to go these folks are the real deal they've got an A+ rating from the Better Business Bureau a 4.9 rating at consumer affairs and over half a million people are already loving their super tiny super powerful German hearing aids look how small this thing is half a million people folks and the positive reviews just keep rolling in so take Jerry a podcast listener who wrote in saying the inhome exam made everything so convenient and his new devices are extremely comfortable compared to the old ones James who called workingwith here.com a total win and said it's 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describe as the the the bigger the deeper the far-reaching where a lot of folks are focused on I guess you could say perhaps more of the surface phenomena or really focus on what's happening in DC you're going into the heart of things and I appreciate that because that that's where I I wish I could live is in intellectually is just looking at history and and the the alphabet agencies and going deep into what is the Deep State who is the Deep State why is our world like it is today what are they hiding from us and so it's always great to to hear your perspective on things and so you've got a new book that I first I saw you you'd put on Twitter and I commented and said oh my goodness like this looks great yeah there you go a a Twilight of the Shadow government how transparency will kill the Deep state in fact if I have your permission I think I'll call our show today Twilight of the Shadow government because it's such a full title and I think it's going to really be attractive folks so please do to you know walk us through this because this is this is a fascinating topic I know that you uh your your co-author Kevin ship was so you know former FBI deeply entrenched in the the uh no it was CIA yeah he's a veteran CIA agent sorry Kevin for that um and so a lot of information in this is stuff that probably hasn't seen seen the light day yet so I'll just hand it to you wherever you want to start with this yeah so I think for your listeners to know is that I'm probably best described as just an intensely curious person and so I I do want to go deeper into the story and so like a lot of people you know I've heard stories about the CIA and and you know I have certain opinions but you know until you really research them you just have to say Okay I accept that to some extent I'm you know probably poorly informed and so that's why it's always such a thrill to me when my publisher calls me up with an exciting person like Kevin ship and so Kevin it was a former uh 17-year CIA officer uh I I learned that they're officers not agents their agents are the people they run in the foreign countries so so you know first of all the nomenclature I got to get right and he served with all four directorates of the agency and and um in about 1999 2000 he ran into trouble with the agency which was he had identified a vulnerability which was um allowing uh bad foreign actors to figure out who our CIA agents were overseas and officers were overseas because usually the CIA officers are those who are hired by the CIA who are Americans and then they employ Assets in the countries who they call agents and so uh you know he he thought that identifying this vulnerability um for the identity of our um overseas assets would be welcomed by the CIA it was not he actually had to go outside the agency and uh actually get get a an An Inspector General uh I believe with um uh with the state department who had been a former CIA officer to actually say no this is great and Kevin actually received a commodation for that but of course once you make the big boys look bad they decide to try and punish you and so what happened next was Kevin was uh sent to a CIA domestic base and his family and he were living a h in a house that was on top of a toxic waste dump of old ammunition and and he tells the story that one day his son comes up to him and says dad Dad look what I found and he's holding up an old mustard gas shell which had made its way to the surface and so so Kevin and his family suffered from chemical exposure they spent 10 years trying to get um get get damages and get the CIA to admit liability and it was just a strangest thing because you know it's always about personalities and so you know he's negotiating with the CIA saying look I was injured here he had an outside attorney a and you know the CIA lawyer who was negotiating with him wanted to solve the thing and they'd actually made an offer which was going to be accepted and as Kevin tells the story uh he believes it was two people at the CIA um George tenant and this other guy named Buzzy kard who was his third in command who nicked the deal and and and they threw it out and they said it's state Secrets privilege and you know we're only gonna offer you half of that money a and so that began you know a 10year process finally he went public in 2011 in a series of Articles uh in the New York times you know cataloging a story so anybody who wants to search up Kevin ship my co-author can find articles written about him in the New York Times so you know that when you're working with a Former Intelligence agent you know it's always one of the criticisms is going to be like oh was he really in the agency oh yeah he was in the agency and we we've got lots of pictures and lots of documentation so um you know that that like most of the whistleblowers that I deal with it's only when something happens to them and and they understand the enormity of the corruption which must be going on all around them you know when we live our own lives you know we think our lives are the entire world but um you know let yourself become at odds with the agency or you know with any group and and you'll find out what that group is really all about so the CIA and this is all sh a little bit of my own journey and understanding the CIA so growing up you look at the CIA and the FBI as the the heroes right you see them as you have all the the Jason born you know all the different movies and you you glorify them our culture glorifies them or they it used to but as I started learning more about how the world really works and how our government really works you start to understand that oh it's it's almost like the CIA is the this more private International Spy Network that carries out a lot of the nefarious Deeds of the military-industrial complex and they work with hired mercenaries and ex special forces that come on as private contractors so they can do things that don't require congressional oversight and it gets pretty deep and then I remember when I first came across the book The confessions of of anep economic Hitman by John Perkins who end up having the opportunity to interview and he talked about just the role that the CIA played in regime changes and not just regime changes you know in terms of like Hey we're going to help them do a new election we're talking about assassinating presidents that don't agree with the the goals of the military-industrial complex and the goals of the the corporatocracy whether it's you know Big Oil wanting uh you know access to oil as a as collateral you know in exchange for a big loan from usaid or whatever it is and you know he specifically talked about the CIA Jackal that come in and you know take care of those those presidents and in that book specifically he mentioned uh two presidents he was very close with the president of Ecuador and the president of Panama which he I believe I think he pretty directly stated that those people were killed by these CIA jackals you know for them it was a small aircraft explosion that did it so what is your perception as you've learned more and I know that you're a deep researcher and you have opportunity and access to people like Kevin ship who are on the inside if you had to give your assessment of the role of the CIA globally that is not shown to the public and it's not portrayed you know very often in the movies and in television what would that be how would you describe their activities great question you know I like to go deep and I'm a guy who you know while I will focus on personalities what I'm really interested in is I'm interested in systems like how do people think and what's their operating system and so one of the chapters that we go into is a deep dive into Alan does okay so he was head of the CIA he was the fifth head of the CIA but he served from I believe about 1953 to 1961 when he was fired by President Kennedy but I wanted to say understand like who was Alan does and why is it important to understand Alan does to understand the CIA so here's a couple things about Allan Dulles before World War II he was an attorney who was dealing with the rebuilding of Germany okay I I believe it was Sullivan and Cromwell that he worked with um his brother um uh um ended up as as Eisen was secretary of state so so you know just think about this between World War I and World War II Allan does is meeting with all these Germans many of whom go on to high positions in Nazi Germany and so the way Alan does I think viewed the world is like oh yeah you know they they're our enemy today but they're really my good friends and when all this unpleasantness is is over you know we're we're all going to be friends again so so Alan Dulles during World War II uh is originally supposed to serve in London but he gets himself assigned to Switzerland to the financial Hub of Europe which was um unaligned uh during World War II and it was a place where Nazis could go and Americans could go right so against the orders of Franklin Roosevelt does starts trying to negotiate a separate piece with the Nazis he's trying to get them to give a conditional surrender this is against what Roosevelt wants and in fact he has meetings which with representatives of the SS Chief Hinrich himler and and when himler is captured by Allied Forces he was actually on his way to meet with Alan does and so you know besides Hitler there's no worse Nazi than hinr Kimler you know head of the SS okay so in charge of the death camps and so to understand that even at the beginning these guys like dolles really didn't want to do what the leaders wanted them to do so end of the war takes place and then the CIA is created and you know the the original intelligence agency during World War II was the office of special services OSS run by General by W Wild Bill Donovan right so um when it comes time to create this new agency who does Truman put in charge but Alan doues and so even though does is the number five director of the fifth director of the the CIA he's there from the beginning and he sets the whole thing up and he does something that is that I I learned is completely unique in the world of the intelligence agencies okay so pretty much every other intelligence agency in the world recognizes this problem that if you're going to have a Secret Agency you need to separate two functions you need to have one agency that gathers the intelligence you need to have another one that you know engages in action okay these should be two different groups of people these two groups of people should not know each other okay in the CIA those two were combined and so if you want to take action and you're the CIA director you say to yourself like oh I just need to feed the president crappy information or biased information which will make him move in my direction you so I'm in control of the information that gets to the president and then he'll have no choice but to do what I want him to do and I I think so understanding that understanding that we the CIA from its Inception had this structural problem that we that they could not um that these two functions were combined the problem with the CIA structurally is that they've got intelligence gathering and action combined in the same agency so is it kind of like throw in real Qui is is it almost like with within the police for instance you might have uh you know a SWAT team or a police officer and you have a detective right and there's obviously the the detectives need to be able to defend themselves but the detectives aren't the ones getting into firefights and arresting people and they're just responsible for gathering information and then once it's cleared then you have the police force or a SWAT team that might go in and act on that so is that how it should operate according to what you're you're saying that's a wonderful example okay and so he here's how I think uh the audience needs to understand when somebody like Trump comes in and he gets the intelligence agencies angry at him because for example he doesn't want to take briefings or he doesn't trust them and they know that and and as I understand Trump you know employed some of his own private intelligence groups that he paid in order to get him information because he knows that the way the CIA is operating is they consider themselves above presidents that Democratic or Republican and what they're going to do is they're going to shade the intelligence to move the president in the direction that they want and to understand that that has been part of the agency from the very beginning and so one of the things we also covered in the book is one month after President Kennedy was assassinated December 22nd 1963 Harry Truman who founded the CIA published an oped in the Washington Post which made this exact same point and he later said that founding the CIA was the single biggest mistake he made and so understanding that when you have a system that is set up to have this outcome you know it's all about systems it's what you're allowed to do and so the CIA is allowed to gather the intelligence take action and they're also allowed to lie to Congress and they do it and they don't get published that they don't don't get punished for withholding information from Congress or outright lying to them I here's the Artic to intelligence yeah 1963 so so that it's interesting that you mention Trump and how Trump like wouldn't even take their briefings I wonder if he suspected that there was massive corruption and they were you know in a lot of ways just telling him lies so they could carry on this whatever criminal activity or whatever they're doing yep that's that's the whole game when you and and so when you compliment me for going deep here's what I like to do and why I think my books are so important because I show you the game and and I bring receipts for the game so so one of the things that has interested me over the years because I remember you know watching the news in the 80s and I remember when Gary Webb came out and he said that the CIA was selling cracked cocaine in in urban neighborhoods and and you know this led to an explosion of violence in the inner cities and you know I was fascinated by that and so one section of the book that we looked at was going into drug running in the CIA and and you know I wanted to get the information because you know here I am a kid in the 80s and I'm reading this stuff and you know I don't know what's true or not but you know here I I've got a veteran CIA agent and I say you know hey I got this question you know is this you know true or or or bull or what and so he leads me so here I was a kid in the 1980s hearing these Al ations that the CIA was involved in drug running crack cocaine into the inner cities of America specifically places like Los Angeles so when the opportunity comes to write this book with Kevin ship I want to get into this I want to understand what happened with the CIA and Drug running and and and is there a history is there a pattern here well lo and behold I find abundant evidence that this is a long running practice of the CIA now let me talk about how it came about so uh at the end of World War II in China uh the nationalists were fighting the Communists the Nationalist under shangai Sheek the Communists under maong um and we had OSS agents in China specifically one guy named Paul helwell and what hell observed is that the nationalists were selling opium to addicts in southern China as a way to make money to buy arms to fight the Communists and this became known as the hell well plan okay so so all of this is documented in the history so you can find books you can find the the hell well plan Okay so then what is also happening is during World War II The Office of Naval intelligence initiated a an alliance with the New York mafia under luk lucky luchano to not only protect us ports from na Nazi sabur but also giving them information that helped the US military with the invasion of Sicily the invasion of Italy and then the the intelligence agencies reestablished the mob in Italy okay so these guys had been working together for a long time so one of the problems with the CIA when it was founded was Truman signed the order for it to be put into existance um but he didn't give them a budget okay so one of the ways that they raised money is that the newly formed CIA went to their buddies in the mob and said hey can you produce heroin in Sicily and then what we'll do is we'll refine it at a pharmaceutical company in Italy and then we'll ship it to the United States where it'll go to Harlem into the jazz clubs because who cares about those Jazz musicians so here I am seeing like oh my God this problem has been there from the very beginning and time and time again when I went into these deep Dives and I found like okay I understand what today's controversies are can I go back 70 80 years and find people bringing up these very same problems absolutely and and I think that that's something that's that's good for people to understand because when you look at the history I mean you know it's there you can find other books other sources and and all I'm saying is this is the structure by which the CIA had been set up the way it was being run and just extrapolate into today and so we're in the book we're we're going back and forth between what happened in the past and what is currently happening so that's okay so that's a pretty crazy Revelation that basically the CIA learned the importance of drug running from China based upon what was happening during the the the Civil War in China right where the kmt and and and the Communists and so that's crazy though that that was how they funded the agency and so fast forward to today how much I I know it's probably a very difficult question to answer but how much money or how much of their funding or or resources are tied into the Global Drug trade because you know you can imagine that why is it that often times you say oh there's a corrupt police officer that was arrested a corrupt politician a corrupt judge right what I've found there's actually a book about called political ponerology which is a book you identifying evil and like the understand there are people that are evil and Psychopathic but actually those people tend towards positions where they can influence and gain power such as you know CEOs of companies politicians judges police officers Etc and so you often times have people in those positions of power because they can you know like a corrupt cop you know they they can hide the evidence they can get away with so much more let alone if you imagine an entire agency that is okay with the idea of you know killing people from drug overdoses and all the other things they're doing to fund this I mean it's it's insane to think about but you can imagine if you're the CIA you're above the law so imagine if you could be you know a drug dealer Above the Law with an International System where you could you know you have control of airports and all kinds of things so uh back to the question though how how large do you think or do you estimate this drug running operation is today and then the second part of the question is what does it look like today well here's the question I always ask because I'm like a scientist who's looking for the black hole okay the thing that doesn't make sense so scientists can't observe a black hole they simply observe a place where light doesn't seem to be going okay or or that there's no light emanating from it so I can go back into the past and I can look at this history of drug running and so you draw a straight line from heroin in Harlem in the late 1940s you can look at the allegations of the Golden Triangle in Vietnam you can look at the 1980s and drugs come crack cocaine coming into the inner cities and you say like okay I'm seeing this pattern well what's the what's the black hole in the American Media today the black hole is why is nobody seeming to aggressively go after the cartels that are bringing drugs human people and Fentanyl into our country I mean you know what is it 92 100,000 people a year are dying from fentanyl overdoses so I can't tell you that the CIA is involved with the cartels for in some way to influence government south of our border and in return they're allowing Fentanyl and human traffickers to come across Ross the Border what I'm observing is there's to my mind there's no other reasonable explanation other than some deal has been struck because I don't hear people talking about 90 to 100,000 Americans a year dying from drug overdoses so so I'm I'm very clear on what I can prove and what I can't prove so I give you the evidence of what's happened in the past I walk you up to the precipice of what's happening today and I'm asking the question why is it a very rare politician who says something like maybe we should send the military after the cartels I mean do we really not know where their their you know their operations are we must folks we all see it everything's getting more expensive we're paying two three four times what things cost just a few years ago and we know they're lying 3% inflation really think about it why are they telling us to keep our hard-earned money in the banks and stock market while they're rushing to buy gold and silver that's right governments and central banks around the world are dumping the dollar and scrambling to buy gold and silver right now these are smart people they see the signs just like you do they know the crash is coming the dollars lost more than half its value in The Last 5 Years and our national debts increasing a trillion dollars every hundred days it can't go on like this even Bank of America's warning about a dollar collapse and if they're right it's only a matter of time before our savings our IAS and our 401ks could be wiped out look right now it's still easy to buy gold and 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obviously it's some form of Shadow government right you know they're doing regime changes and this has become much more common knowledge right that they're uh you know doing color revolutions other countries and and whatnot but what I'm also looking at here is the role as social Engineers because ultimately a government is in a lot of ways beholden to the people especially in a constitutional republic that's how it's supposed to be but if the people in the country if they're doped up on drugs if they are lied to through the media which I want I want to get into media next um you these are these are ways even looking at how they've created this this race war in America and why is it that blacks are filling our prisons why is it that drugs are so prolific and you know they want they they want people that you know to have this divide of left versus right black versus white they want the white people to say oh it's the lazy black people they want the white the black people to say oh it's the oppressive white people but maybe a lot of it is just that our agencies and the CIA has been intentionally injecting highly addictive and highly deadly drugs and you know they have a very high um you know penalty if you get caught with them right you know let alone you marijuana people that in prison for marijuana you know if someone gets caught with a pound of of heroin I mean there're that's that's a that's a pretty serious sentence and so you can see that there's there's massive social engineering with drugs and how they they've done that but then we step into the media which I was reflecting on this earlier today as I was thinking about just the state of our country head into the election and the divide and everything it's like gosh I I feel like probably almost 95% of it is just the media just the lies of the media and obviously you know the politicians but and and I I love that you're bringing that up because that's a big topic of our book because again what I can do is I can go into the past and I can give you good reliable information about what happened it's been vetted it's part of the accepted history and then we go into the present and we we present these problems and we suggest that maybe that's what's happening so let's talk about the Press so from its very Inception the the CIA understood that they needed to control the free flow of information to us and so what did they do well you know they created this thing called project Mockingbird which was revealed in the mid1 1970s by the church Committee in which at least 400 Maj journalists were on the payroll of the CIA and you know one of the things to realize is that those were journalists who were actually on on the payroll what they had also done was they had an active recruitment measure so one of the things that you know is fascinating to me because you know I I when I was young I I just worshiped at the altar of William ebuckley Jr okay you know National Review he was my guy I just loved him so sophisticated and everything so imagine my surprise when I'm putting this book together and I find out that Buckley had been hired by the CIA out of Y okay and and and and it's in all the histories and everything and so you know of course he downplays his role but it's like oh that's that's pretty interesting and you find out that these these Titans of the media um were on the payroll of the CIA like Philip Graham who would later go on to own the Washington Post his wife after his death Katherine Graham you know would own the Washington Post you your audience may not know this but if you go to the CIA there is the Catherine Graham Auditorium okay so you know you you find these things and you know one of the things is you know I'm like a Dogg detective so I get on a scent and I stay on it so the fact that I worshiped William F Buckley as a kid and I find out that he was a CIA agent pissed me off to no end and I said let me investigate this and so I came up with another interesting fact that everybody agrees to it sided so during the Water Gate um you know controversy the Watergate scandal it came out that William F Buckley was The Godfather to eh Howard Hunt's children e Howard hunt was the ring leader of the Watergate break-in and so Howard hunt e Howard hunt had been Buckley's Handler and to make it even C easier you know because we we go into Watergate and we we also we open the book like going after Bob Woodward who also seems to be an intelligence asset you know in our opinion when when you look at his history history makes no freaking sense um but during the Watergate scandal e Howard Hunt is trying to pay off the burglars to stay quiet who is he using as his Courier to get money to the Watergate burglars he's using his wife okay what happens to his wife his wife dies in a plane crash which the the plane a commercial jetliner going into Midway Airport in Chicago blows up and now William F Buckley is you know Godfather to the CH to e Howard Hunt's children and I'm just saying to myself how many ways do they have us another guy who was one of this original group was a guy named Richard melon ski now that name may or may not be familiar to people but he was the guy in the 90s who was funding all the anti-clinton stuff and so you find yourself going like what is going on here why do all these people seem to have intelligence connections and you know it said that if you just know the story you don't know anything you got to know the players okay so here's what this book does for you this book tells you the players I show you how the manipulation is done and then I we talk about stories that are in the news and we encourage encourage you to think hey maybe the story you're hearing in the news like you know take whatever you want to do you know the Covington kids uh you know Russia gate I I mean the whole Russia gate thing is an Abomination to American democracy because you find things that the intelligence agencies first use Carter page to go after president Trump without telling the court that Carter page was actually a CIA asset and in put so here's Carter page you know poor Carter pagee what a nice guy he you know he's told that the that the Russians are trying to to you know influence him so what does Carter pagee do you know in two I think it's like 2012 2013 Carter page says sure I'll talk to you intelligence guys yeah sure you know I'll let you know everything that's going on and so poor Carter pige doing his his duty as what he thinks is a patriotic American by talking to our intelligence agencies about possible Russian involvement a couple years later finds himself accused of being a Russian agent so that's the kind of games they're playing and you know once you see it and that's hopefully what our book does you can't unsee it well one other person I'll bring up is Anderson Cooper right this is a paper this is published uh you know on a you know a scholar website it's a it's a PDF you kind analysis Anderson Cooper CIA operative and it says here it says following his sophomore year and Junior years at Yale there you go Yale a well-known recruiting ground for the CIA Cooper spent his Summers interning at the agency's monolithic headquarters in Langley Virginia in a program for students interested in intelligence work his involvement with the agency ended there and he chose not to pursue a job with the agency after graduation according to a CNN spokeswoman who confirmed the details of cia's Cooper CIA involvement to radar so of course it's like oh well well okay so thank goodness thank goodness uh CNN has debunked this article that their their star journalist doesn't have CIA connections and also the you know the interesting thing is that I'm sure you R into this you start running into these families and these Bloodlines and it's like oh Anderson Cooper is also you know that's not his real name he actually he's a Vanderbilt you like oh he actually comes from one of America's most powerful families and oh he went to Yale and he interned at the CIA now he's one of their All-Star news anchors it just there's too many coincidences in everything thing about go ahead one of the interesting one of the interesting things that we delve into is how even from the beginning so office of strategic services in world War I needs to be looked at as the Forerunner of the CIA because a lot of the guys who are in OSS end up as founding members of CIA well OSS was was composed mostly of Ivy Leaguers bankers lawyers that's the way it got set up CIA was the same sort of thing and so um you know one of the things that's really interesting and this is where you know I I think just have to be a dog a detective and and that's what I am so I actually go to the original sources so like for example you know what's what's hilarious to me is I have this belief that human beings need to tell the truth okay in some way so you can even you can go do a deep dive into the bad guys and if you're if you're doing your homework you're G to find out that they convict themselves here's a perfect example Alan doues in in 1963 publishes a book about intelligence work and so you know I get the book and I start reading through it and he talks about gee you know there needs to be a way that we interact with the newspapers and and the media and and and you know maybe maybe that first amendment is kind of an impediment to our work and I'm thinking like oh my God John KY just recently said something which is straight out of Alan does' mouth so when you get the program when you understand how they have to influence us you know under you know because we're supposed to live in a democracy so they got to convince us we live in a democracy so their ways are going to be different than a typical dictatorship but they're trying to influence us and so so you know I I always say that I think we're living in an Eastern European 1988 moment where where the truth is being revealed and so what's happening now in story after story that you read is people don't trust the institutions okay and when people don't trust the institutions you can have a relatively non violent revolution I think we are at the precipice of a nonviolent Revolution not where we're going to be shooting at each other but where the system collapses based on its absurdity and it's absurdity that is clear to everybody so I'm really H you know I mean look at who they put up the Democrats put up for president the worst politician in America America I mean who could not who with a barely functioning brain couldn't do a Joe Rogan interview you know I mean he is so friendly he's so polite you know he starts his show complimenting you know people on some their health their looks their body of work you know you know 90% of Americans 90 98% of Americans could go on Joe Rogan and he would find something interesting about him the only person in America who couldn't do Joe Rogan is running for president on the Democratic ticket it's it's absurd it's absolutely insane and you make a good point with that yeah one thing I wanted to add I say I say we have to be good-hearted we have to poke fun because it's our laughter which is going to bring down the system I I certainly agree with that I I really do um one thing I was going to throw in there just as we're kind of going into these these connections and you know Yale right as this this article you know kind of points out that Yale is a very uh very common you know recruiting ground for the CIA one of the most famous uh Yale I'm not sure if he was a graduate or someone that was involved in Yale and studied at Yale was ma Zedong which a lot of people don't understand that so actually a lot Mal zong was part of Yale in China which was a group it was a program of bringing Yale to China so maong was part of the Yale in China program and in fact they helped him print a lot of his earlier Flyers they gave him buildings to use for his earlier rallies and and so you think it's like oh this is this is a much deeper web than we could possibly imagine but I I like your your conclusion that we we've arrived at with this and it's something I agree completely as well is that these institutions these governments these corpor you these giant corporations and really you know Satan himself let's just say let's just say it for what it is Satan himself only wins if he can keep the population in a state of deception because I I really believe that all of us are are made in God's image and that we have a conscience that we have and we have a soul and that if you show someone right and wrong there's deep deep deep inside of them even if it's buried they know right and wrong and What Makes Us commit a lot of wrong is the deception that convinces the world that wrong is right right these are very orwellian times that it's a good thing a virtuous thing to to mutilate children's genitals it's like how are we living in this world where we people fighting for that or that we have the the main issue of you know the the Democratic party that is driving is we want to give you the right to kill your own baby if you want to right it's it's absurd if if you went back a couple hundred years like right now my wife and I were watching uh War and Peace I'm seeing the culture and the beauty of Russia you know pre- bolshevism and pre you know Soviet Union I'm thinking gosh imagine if you went back in time to that era in the early 1800s and you told these people hey you know what in in a couple hundred years the most important thing to a large part of the voting class in America is the women wanting the ability to kill their own B their own babies people would look at that and think that's absolutely insane but that is the power of the media it's the power of big Tech it's the power of the CIA it's it's the power of the social Engineers as they can convin the population that evil is good and good is evil but that's only for as long as they can control the narrative and we're seeing that break and in part by folks like yourself they're writing books breaking the narrative so let me go and pull up I'll pull up just the the um Amazon link for that this is the book folks Twilight of the Shadow government how transparency will kill the Deep State actually there it is how transparency will kill the Deep State that's it we have to expose we have to shine light on this um and also if folks want to check out your website as well it's Kint hecken Lively books.com that's they can look at you know read about you they can contact you uh Etc also I recommend folks follow you on Twitter as well so um Kent uh do you have any final closing thoughts as we wrap up no just be of good cheer I don't know what's going to happen the next couple weeks but I think the system is breaking down so I can't tell you when it's going to break down but it will break down that's a good point because as as we're heading into these you know really you the election and then the the months after that until we get to the inauguration regardless of what happens that's a really good point that the system is on its last leg so even if they're they're able to pull off you know installing comma and everything again you maybe maybe it lasts six months before the whole thing falls apart which you know I I I can't say I'm looking forward to the whole thing falling apart but I'd rather live in a system that's that's collapsing that's that's evil collapsing and maybe there's a difficulty around that and us you know the good people rising through that uh then living in a system where the evil has this maybe things are more peaceful and more stable but you're absolutely controlled by these evil systems I'd rather be in in the former yep all right Seth thank you so much of course Kent thank you very much and just encourage again know I'm gonna bring up the amazon link one more time folks um this is how this is one way we fight is by supporting authors like Kent who is writing books I'm IM that CI that CNN did not offer you an interview to talk about your new book right they did not yeah but I certainly did so uh you know we are the media now that that's that's what's happening we are the media now well thank you Kent take care and God bless it's always nice talking to you thank you folks we are officially in the time of the year where eating becomes off balanced way off balanced parties holidays family gatherings always mean more snacks more sweets and generally indulging in all the wrong foods and when you're eating habits get off balance so can you that's why I strongly recommend balance of Nature's daily supplements their fruit and veggie supplements are sourced from Whole fruit and vegetable ingredients all the things you might be missing and all the things you you need to make up for being off balance during this eating season make sure you're getting more of a variety of fruit and vegetable ingredients at every step of the way with balance of nature 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