Are The Egyptians Responsible For Ancient Greece? | Archaeology | Odyssey
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Two ancient great civilizations.
One rigid and authoritarian, changeless and unrelenting.
The other spirited, free-thinking, timeless and original.
Could one have inspired the other?
I'm John Rhys-Dayles.
Join me as we ask, did Egypt shape the glory that was Greece?
Next on Archaeology.
Rising from the parched sands of the desert,
in the land of the pharaohs,
are the earliest stone monuments ever constructed in ancient Egypt.
Though shrouded in antiquity,
they bear an eerie resemblance to another famous landmark
built 2,000 years later.
If an advertiser wants to sell his goods
and give them a high-class feeling and make them seem classic,
or if a bank wants to seem reliable,
or if a university wants to seem respectable,
the ideal thing to show is a fluted column,
preferably in rows.
And the idea of the fluted column
is really seen as at the basis of European civilization.
And when we think of the basis of European civilization,
we think of Greece, we think of Athens,
and we think of the Parthenon with its rows of exquisite columns.
Now, the Parthenon was built about 2,500 years ago,
and these columns, which we're walking through now,
were in fact built about 2,500 years earlier still,
so they're twice as old as the Parthenon.
For one maverick historian, the resemblance is no coincidence.
He thinks the ancient Greeks owe a debt to Africa
for their cultural heritage.
If he is right, the history of Western civilization
will need to be rewritten.
But is he?
Generations of schoolchildren have been taught
of the glory that was Greece,
of a white civilization that gave birth
to cherished notions of democracy, philosophy, and science.
But is it true?
How much of that view is colored by racist attitudes
of 19th century classical scholars?
Today, a controversial new theory
that the roots of Greek civilization lie in ancient Egypt
has archaeologists in an uproar.
What forces converged in prehistory
to inspire the genius of the ancient Greeks?
Who forged the destiny of Western civilization?
In his book, Black Athena,
Martin Bernal of Cornell University
contends that the seeds were sown in Africa and the Near East
long before the arrival of the Greeks.
His search for proof begins in Egypt
at the famed Step Pyramid at Saqqara,
the first ever built.
Surrounding the pyramid is a complex of buildings
and courtyards believed to be a replica
of the palace of King Zoser at nearby Memphis,
then the capital of ancient Egypt.
We're now at Saqqara, which is a place of firsts.
It was the place where the first pyramid was built.
It was also the place
where the first fluted columns were erected
and the place in general where stone architecture was used.
So here we have the beginning
not only of Egyptian civilization,
but Western civilization as a whole.
That from Egypt and from these beginnings in Egypt,
we can see the development of Greece and Rome
and modern European civilization as a whole.
17 centuries before the birth of Christ,
Egypt ruled an empire
that stretched from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Beyond, in the Aegean, was the island of Crete.
Here, the empire of the legendary King Minos
was reaching its zenith,
while at Mycenae,
the earliest roots of Greek civilization
were taking hold.
Connected by a vast network of trade routes,
ships plied the seas laden
with the treasures of the ancient world.
Bernal believes that during this time,
the Egyptians and the Phoenicians
attacked the palaces of Crete
and colonized the Aegean.
Bernal's colleague at Cornell, John Coleman,
is currently excavating the ancient city of Halif.
An expert on the prehistory of Greece,
he has found little to support
the theory of an Egyptian invasion.
Personally, I don't believe
that Greece ever was invaded by Egypt.
There are very few documented instances
of invasions of Greece,
and we have no real evidence
that in the form of, say,
Egyptian language or Egyptian script,
hieroglyphic, for instance,
to suggest that, in fact,
the Egyptians ever did come to Greece in any numbers.
Despite his critics,
Bernal is intrigued by evidence
that the Egyptians did control the Aegean.
On the west bank of the Nile at Luxor,
in the shadow of the Valley of the Kings,
are the tombs of the nobles.
Buried here are the most powerful men in Egypt
next to the pharaoh.
We're now in the tomb of Rechmire,
who was a high official
of the great pharaoh, Thutmose III.
And this tomb has the usual accompaniment
of the affairs of everyday life,
but it also has a great deal
about Rechmire's duties
as this high official collecting taxes,
administering within Egypt,
but also supervising the foreign tribute
that was given to the pharaoh.
And you have a number of ranks.
You have the Africans
and you have the Syrians,
all giving their precious objects,
and you have the Minoans or Cretans
dressed in their kilts
and bringing objects
that we know archaeologically
were of Cretan manufacture.
So there's no doubt
about who these people were.
Professor Bernal sometimes speaks
as if they were bringing tribute,
as if Egypt somehow had control
of the Aegean area.
But in fact,
recent studies have shown
that they're gift bearers,
rather than indicating
that they were in any way
under the control of Egypt.
Now, whether the Greeks considered
they were giving tribute or not
is another question,
but this is the way Rechmire
and his pharaoh, Thutmose III,
interpreted it.
While Bernal clings to the notion
of invasion and domination,
he insists it is not critical
to his theory.
My historical scheme
doesn't rely on the idea
of Egyptian or Phoenician invasions
or settlements of Greece.
What I argue is
that Greece is permeated
with Egyptian and Phoenician influence
because of contact
over a period of more than 2,000 years,
contact of all sorts,
because the two countries are not,
the two regions are not
that far apart.
To take an analogy,
Greece is about as far from Egypt
as Japan is from China,
and we would be very surprised indeed
if we found that Japan
had no Chinese influence,
but in fact,
it is full of Chinese influence.
That's not to say
that Japan is a mere reflection
of China,
but that you cannot hope
to understand Japan
unless you realize
its Chinese roots in that way.
Similarly,
I think we should not do
as classicists have done
and try to view Greece in isolation
without seeing its outside roots.
The Greeks were undoubtedly influenced
by the Egyptians
in the case of architecture
and also in sculpture.
One obvious example
is the large ionic-style buildings
that are found in eastern Greece
and eastern Aegean,
such as the Temple of Artemis
and Ephesus,
with its forest of columns,
which resembles
the hippo-style halls of Egypt.
But as for all other things,
the Greeks tended to transform
the ideas that they gained.
The question of the influence
of Egypt on Greece
in the ancient world
is one that really can't be denied.
There were certain aspects
of the Egyptian cultural record
which served as catalysts
that enabled the Greeks to borrow,
transform, and move on.
No one is really denying
that the two nations were in contact,
that the two cultures
did talk to one another,
but there are major, major differences
in the way the Greeks
adapted the Egyptian legacy.
So to think, as some people have said,
that Greece is really an offshoot
or the child of Egypt
is absolutely missing the point.
The Greeks borrowed from Egypt
as they did from other civilizations,
not only Egypt,
turned it into something
completely their own
and went off in another direction.
So, for example, if you look...
Robert Bianchi, an Egyptologist
with the Metropolitan Museum of New York,
has joined a growing list of scholars
who disagree with Bernal.
He sees striking differences
between the two cultures.
The Egyptians never dreamed of doing,
never wanted to do.
So yeah, we have columns
and architraves in both cultures,
but the Greeks won't have optical refinements
that conform to their world outlook,
and these do not appear
in the Egyptian record.
The great pyramids of Giza
are the most durable relics
of the ancient world.
The final resting place of the pharaohs,
they testify to a fundamental tenet
of the Egyptian faith,
belief in the afterlife.
To ensure the survival of the ka, or spirit,
the body first had to be preserved
or mummified.
Then, provisioned with food
and surrounded by cherished possessions,
the soul could depart for eternity.
The Greek mythology of life after death
was remarkably similar to that of Egypt.
The key shift is crossing a river
by a ferry,
which is a very Egyptian image
for the way in which the dead travel.
There was also the field of reeds
where the upper-class Egyptians
lived in blissful happiness
after their death,
and this is very similar to Elysium,
or the Champs-Elysées you have in France,
happy fields where you live.
Then you have the word
for the occupants of this territory,
which is the same in Egyptian and Greek,
Makarios in Greek,
Makharu in Egyptian.
So you have a number of striking similarities.
We have to understand that the Greeks,
because they were using letters and words,
were able to evolve an atomic theory.
They were able to deal with invisibility.
They were able to deal with
how the universe was composed,
what matter was all about.
And that's a major, major difference.
The Egyptians never speculated
in that kind of a rarefied way.
This also holds true in areas of religion,
whereas, for example,
the Egyptians believed that the body
had to be intact in order to be reborn.
The Egyptians, the Greeks on the other hand,
would allow the bodies to be cremated.
This is a heresy to the Egyptians
because the body was now destroyed.
But it's interesting to note
this may not reflect deep cultural differences
because in the United States today,
people use mummification,
whereas in Western Europe,
they use cremation.
You have this total difference
in the approach to the dead,
which may reflect something
about American society's materialism
as opposed to Europe,
but there's not much in it.
And yet you have this fundamental difference
in disposal of the dead.
The tombs of the pharaohs
attest to their mortality.
But to the ancients, they were gods.
Absolute monarchs,
they controlled the affairs of everyday life
as well as the destiny of Egypt.
In the conduct of politics,
there was no room for the common man.
But imagine trying to maintain control
in a land like Greece
that's so broken up by mountains and sea.
It's just simply not possible.
And as a consequence,
the Greek civilization developed
in a very different way
with local places
gaining power on their own.
And they never got together
to create a federal state
such as you find in Egypt,
nor a great monarchy
such as is found in Egypt or Persia
or elsewhere in the ancient world.
And as a result,
there was more individual freedom,
more individual expression.
The individual, as we know it today,
as a concept,
really is born in Greece,
not in Egypt.
Someone, myself included, I guess,
would be really out of place in Egypt
in a nonconformist kind of way
with the way one dresses
or has clothes or a hairstyle.
But this is something
that would be perfectly adequate in Greece
where they stress the individual
above a tyrant or a ruler in that sense.
Even in the Egyptian art,
there was no freedom of expression.
These paintings, breathtaking though they are,
were not created.
They were executed
according to the dictates of the pharaohs.
Artists painted what they were told,
not what they saw.
Highly stylized Egyptian figures
appeared lifeless and two-dimensional,
while the Greeks were beginning
to explore the beauty of the human form.
The Greeks already begin
to explore the body beautiful.
The Greeks begin to be more naturalistic,
more anatomically accurate,
rather than stiff and rigid.
And these two differences
are also reflective
of the differences in culture.
Egypt was always a totalitarian regime
ruled by a pharaoh.
Greece was a democracy
in which human beings
and human thought counted.
And when you look at an Egyptian statue
and a Greek statue,
you see that the rigidity
of the Egyptian statue
is the rigidity of a totalitarian regime.
The naturalism of a Greek statue
is a manifestation
of the democratic principles
that we know the Greeks formulated.
By 500 BC,
the reign of the pharaohs
had come to an end.
Did the human spirit rise
from the ashes of a dying civilization?
Or did the Greeks invent themselves?
Greek is an Indo-European language,
and therefore there must have been
major influences from the North
to make it one.
On the other hand,
there are an extraordinary number
of elements of Greek language
and other aspects of Greek civilization
that are not Indo-European.
And I believe these can be
very plausibly explained
as coming from Egyptian or Semitic.
The undeniable fact is, of course,
that Egypt did play a role
in the formative development
of Iron Age Greece.
That is to say that Egypt
and its cultural traditions
formed a catalyst
whereby the Greek achievement
was able maybe to get a spark
and then develop.
But what we have to understand
is they are fundamentally
different civilizations.
Let me give you a...
Backed by the archaeological record,
most modern day scholars
agree with Robert Bianchi.
Now it remains for Martin Bernal
to prove his case.
My fundamental claim is not that
Greece is a reflection
of Egypt and the Levant.
Clearly, it's a very different
and independent culture.
On the other hand,
I believe it's impossible
to understand Greece
without seeing the depth
of Egyptian and Semitic
influences upon it.
And this is what classicists
have tried to avoid.
They've tried to minimize
something that I believe
is absolutely central
to the formation
of Greek civilization.
Unfortunately, underlying the debate
is the highly charged issue of race.
Were the Egyptians black,
as Bernal implies in Black Athena?
Was Cleopatra black?
No, she was olive-skinned.
She was a Greek.
She was the queen of Egypt,
and her family had ruled
Egypt for 300 years.
But we know she was a Greek
because her family was incestuous
for 300 years.
And so we're pretty sure
about her bloodlines.
Interestingly, the Romans
tried to make her appear
to be an Egyptian.
But there's no question
that she was, in fact, a Greek.
And therefore, the idea
of her being black is not on.
The Egyptians regularly depict
themselves in fairly light skin tones.
And though it was surely
a mixed population,
as is generally recognized,
I doubt that the term
black is appropriate.
The word black is now used
in a very wide sense
to cover a whole lot of people
who are only of mixed African descent.
And certainly the Egyptians,
if they were to go to Mississippi
or had been to Mississippi
in the 1950s,
if they had wanted a cup of coffee,
they would certainly have been refused.
We are living in a...
People are beginning to understand
the value of non-European cultures,
the contribution that women
are making in the world.
And if we're going to become picky
and start to argue and nitpick
about he's black, he's white,
he's this and that,
we are losing the entire focus
of the humanities.
And we will quibble today,
instead of being able to live
in a more enlightened society
that recognizes individual
difference for what it is,
but preserves and bequeaths
to our children
and our children's children,
those characteristics of civilization
that we deem worthy of preserving.
The debate over what role Egypt played
in the rise of Greece
has raised an incendiary question.
Was Egypt black?
Does it matter?
It matters deeply
to many African-Americans
searching for role models
in the ancient world.
Scholars, however, insist
that such a notion represents
a serious misreading
of the archaeological record.
The evidence tells us
that the Egyptians
were a multicultural people.
Indeed, it may have been
the very tapestry of their society
that allowed them to achieve so much.

