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These are the floods that have happened in China this year. Many netizens posted that the so-called major floods in many places were caused by the water reservoir, Wuyijing Xiehong, and caused a great disaster. However, at the beginning of July this year, the flood in Dongting Lake, Tuanzhou County, Huarong County, Hunan Province, China, the Chinese Communist Party officially rarely mentioned the Guangyong emergency in the first line of defense. After the failure of the emergency blockade, it eventually led to the collapse of the ladder. How to see the appearance of Guangyong and the emergency relief measures taken by the local government According to a Chinese reporter, he interviewed Dr. Wang Weiluo, an expert in geological engineering at the German-famous Environmental Ecology Institute. Dr. Wang, hello. There is a report that the flood in Dongting Lake occurred at the beginning of July this year because of Huarong County, Tuanzhou County, Dongting Lake, there was a Guangyong emergency in the first line of defense. What do you think of the appearance of the Guangyong phenomenon? As for how to judge the flood in many cases, let's start with Chinese idioms. This idiom comes from Han Feizi more than 2,000 years ago. At that time, the ancients of China had this idiom, that is to say, you are a long drop, you may be lost in an ant hole. Everyone is very concerned about this Dongting Lake Huarong County, Tuanzhou County, it is lost in Guangyong. Guangyong first occurred, and then the dam opened, and then it expanded. What is Guangyong? The Central Television Department invited experts to talk a lot, and everyone heard a head of misunderstanding, but in the end they didn't understand what Guangyong was. Let's just think about it this way. Dongting Lake has a big drop surrounding the farmland, surrounding the residential area, protecting the farmland, protecting the land in the residential area. It's a big drop a thousand miles away. There are many ants in the big drop. One day, a little ant suddenly had an idea, and he wanted to go over to the drop side to see. Then the ants started to dig, and it turned around and saw the inside of the earth. On this side of the earth and on that side of the earth, there was a small hole that could pass through this little ant. The water could flow through it, which created a condition that a tube would form. If there is water on one side, and the water level is high, and the water flows from this side to the other, then a tube would form. As long as water flows through it, the hole will get bigger and bigger, So more than 2,000 years ago, our ancient people realized that thousands of miles of land will be in danger. What is Guanyong's threat to the earth? If China says it in a big way, it is a river. It relies on the river to draw water into the sea. How do you guarantee that there is no Guanyong, no loss of land on such a long land? China has used this method of drawing water into the sea in history. In the south of China, especially in the area of the Yangtze River and Dongping Lake, every year, in April, in this county, in this city, every family would go to draw water into the sea. They would draw water 24 hours a day. There were people guarding the land. Once they found the phenomenon of the Guanyong water flow, they would knock on the door. At that time, there were no radio speakers, so people in the village would knock on the door and God would come to the door to deal with the Guanyong. The phenomenon of Guanyong occurred many times in the south of the Yangtze River and Dongping Lake. Even after the Guanyong phenomenon occurred in Huarong County, when the second line of defense was added there, there were also many Guanyong phenomena. If it is dealt with in time, Guanyong will not cause disaster. So China relied on the method of drawing water into the sea. When did China start to draw water into the sea? Since the Three Gorges Dam was built, China said that the Three Gorges Dam was a flood-proof dam that could hold water for hundreds of years, thousands of years, and tens of thousands of years. From then on, people in the Yangtze River and Dongping Lake could sleep in peace during the flood season. They didn't have to draw water into the sea. They saw this as a great flood-proof effect They said, we don't need to draw water into the sea. We can sleep at home. Since then, the work of drawing water into the sea has been weakened or forgotten. In 2016, there was a flood in the Yangtze River. At that time, Li Keqiang rushed from Beijing to Anhui, then to Hubei, and then to a yard next to Huarong County in Hunan. It's called Huiwei Yard. It seems to be a new construction yard. It is said that Li Keqiang dealt with more than 20 local officials No one was looking for drowning. He immediately withdrew them. At that time, Li Keqiang suddenly found that if he didn't look for drowning, he would be doomed. It wouldn't work even if there was a flood. This time, when you look at Huarong County, there are people looking for drowning at the scene of the disaster. In 2016, the local government in China was very rich. At that time, the grassroots cadres or villagers in China went to look for drowning. At that time, they were given money. The local government had money to hire these people looking for drowning. What is a big problem in China now? The grassroots have no money. The grassroots cadres can't even afford their own salary. They can only pay the basic salary or deduct half the salary, or deduct 1,000 yuan. It's all there. Then where does he have the money to hire a drowning yard? That is to say, a big reason for the collapse of Dongting Lake this time is that there is no drowning yard. It is said that Guanyong was discovered by a local cowherd. This is the first one. It's a thousand miles away, and it's a loss of life. There is a report that after the collapse of Dongting Lake in Tanzhou County, Huarong County, Hunan Province, the local government used trucks to load sandbags, etc. There was a failure in the gap, and then the dam collapsed. The local government's disaster relief measures have aroused doubts among the people. What do you think? After the collapse of Huarong County, after the collapse of Dongting Lake, why are you so anxious to block the mouth of Dongting Lake? The second idiom is to die as a living horse. To die as a living horse. There is another meaning. That is to say, when you are fine, you find something to do. Say I'm doing something. Everyone said that the measures they took were stupid. They loaded sandbags with trucks and rushed in. When the sandbags met water, they were washed away by the water. There was also a sandboat that floated in. It was very powerful to rush down, but it didn't block the mouth. Instead, it made the mouth bigger and bigger. From an engineering point of view, it has no meaning. You can't reduce the disaster of the flood, because the disaster has already happened. If you block the mouth of Dongting Lake now, when the flood of Dongting Lake goes down, the water in this yard is 2.1 billion cubic meters of water. This is the water of the four West Lakes of Hangzhou. How do you get it out? Originally, it was possible to use the return of the flood of Dongting Lake and the return of the natural water to Dongting Lake. It doesn't have to spend so much money. If you block it now, you will spend a lot of money and a lot of electricity. If you pull it out, you have to reopen the gap. It has to be redone. Because you have to make sure that it is the same quality as any other low-damage that has not been damaged. It is made from the same material. Why should we block it? It's just the local officials or the officials of the Ministry of Water Resources. In order to express to Xi Jinping, we are still working hard. After the flood is blocked, we are a victory again. Everyone is holding a celebration party again. When the Communist Party comes next year, he can say again that in 2024, we have achieved a great victory. The mouth of this 226 meters has been blocked for four days. His dead horse is a living horse. He did it to show his achievements. China has actually spent a lot of money to invest in this water management. The results he achieved are very small. He always made mistakes. Now, the other idiom is called repeatedly winning and repeatedly losing. We used to talk about the problem of the Yangtze River, the central downstream and the Dongting Lake Area and how this Three Gorges Project was on the horse. When the Three Gorges Project was certified, he wrote like this. He said that for more than 2,000 years in China, the Yangtze River has been a bad river. How many times have there been floods? On average, several floods occur every 10 years. This caused great pain to the people. So we have to reform it. In fact, the Yangtze River did not have a flood record After the Northern and Southern Dynasties, there was a very rare flood record. In 1992, on February 20, the CPC Central Committee held a meeting to discuss the decision-making of the Three Gorges Project. The meeting was held for two days. On the second day, the CPC Central Committee invited three so-called representatives from the people. They are not from the CPC Central Committee. One is Yang Zhenhuan, the Minister of Water Resources at the time. The second is the former Minister of Water Resources, the current Vice Chairman of the CPPCC, Qian Zhenying. The third is the former Minister of Water Resources, the current head of the Three Gorges Project Immigration Team, Li Boning. In fact, these three people are all officials of the Ministry of Water Resources. Qian Zhenying made a point that the Dongting Lake is dead now. We can only build the Three Gorges to replace the Dongting Lake. Li Peng especially recorded Qian Zhenying's words in his diary. On that day, the CPC Central Committee decided to agree to build the Three Gorges Project and asked the National People's Congress to pass the discussion. Jiang Zemin also said that in a few days, he would go to the National People's Congress to hold a meeting of party members and cadres. More than 20 days later, the National People's Congress held a meeting. Jiang Zemin and Li Peng held a meeting of party members and cadres of the National People's Congress. At the meeting, Jiang Zemin said that he and the CPC Central Committee agreed to build the Three Gorges. This is the decision of the CPC Central Committee. You, party members and cadres, must support this decision. As a result of the vote, two-thirds of the National People's Congress representatives voted in favor of it. Of the National People's Congress representatives in China, two-thirds are party members. This ratio is consistent. This is the Three Gorges Project. So what is the main role of the Three Gorges Project? It is to replace the Dongting Lake. By 2024, Qian Zhenying gave a speech at the Politburo Standing Committee of the CPC Central Committee in 1992. Why did he say that the Three Gorges Project could replace the Dongting Lake? What reason did he have? What basis did he have? He didn't publish it. Thirty-two years have passed. This document has not been decrypted. You don't know what he said. The governor of Hunan Province, Chen Bangzhu, also wrote an article in the People's Daily. This was before the Three Gorges Project was voted. He said the people of Hunan supported the construction of the Three Gorges Project. Why did he write a big paragraph about how hard it was for us in Hunan to suffer from the Dongting Lake flood? How many people die every year? How much loss every year? He said that only the Three Gorges Project could solve the flood problem in Dongting Lake. Now the Three Gorges Project has been built. The flood in Dongting Lake is still the same or more serious. Let's go back to Tanzhouyuan in Huarong County. It was a piece of land surrounded by lakes in 1977 and 1978. It used to be a lake. And it's almost in the middle here. Its water level is the deepest. How much land is it surrounded by? It's surrounded by 50 square kilometers of land. Let's talk about an idiom now. It's called, 上善若水 It's written in the Tao Te Ching. Why is it called, 上善若水? Lao Tzu said, 水畜滴滴不增 水畜滴滴无忧 But now there's a problem with the water. It used to be at the lowest point. Now people are coming. People have to compete with it. Do you think the water in Dongting Lake is at the lowest point or in Tanzhouyuan? It's at the lowest point. When the water in Dongting Lake flows into Tanzhouyuan, it can drown you 5 to 6 meters deep. In Tanzhouyuan, the position of the horizon is that its land is lower than Dongting Lake. People and water compete for the lowest point there. Now the water uses its power to take it back. Do you think it's the fault of the water or the fault of the people? Everyone said this sentence, 防民之口甚于防船 It means that you use extreme power and terrifying means to control the mouths of the people and not let them speak. And this time, the county government of Hualong County immediately told everyone that you are not allowed to spread information about the disaster in private. All information must be reported by all parties. If there is no news, if the people have no information, then the loss will be greater.