Few people know Justin Trudeau better than his own brother. Here’s what he says about him.

Most people in Western countries in the United States, in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, et cetera, et cetera. Most people who lived in those countries two years ago got the COVID vax. That's just a fact. And maybe because of that fact, very few people want to talk about what that was, not just what the vax itself was and what it may do to the human body and the human brain. Those are worthy conversations, important conversation, necessary conversations, ignored conversations. But the bigger conversation is why were governments across the West pulling out all stops to force people to take this compound that they called a vaccine? What was this? And what do we learn about the motives and the aims of those governments by their behavior around the vax? What do we learn? Because those countries, all of them, revealed that they were not, in fact, democracies. They were not free countries at all. They were something very different. And if you go back and you watch the tape and you watch how Western leaders talked about the COVID vax and about people who didn't want to get vaccinated, you learned a lot about them. In fact, it's not your body or choice in their view. It's their body and their choice. And in no country was this clearer maybe than Canada, where the prime minister, Justin Trudeau, not only told people to get this drug, but attacked anyone who wouldn't as illegitimate, as evil, as a fifth column within the borders of Canada seeking to overthrow the democracy of Canada. In case you'd forgotten, here he is. For the vast, vast majority of people, the rules are very simple. To travel, you've got to be vaccinated. When people see that we're in lockdowns or serious public health restrictions right now because the risk posed to all of us by unvaccinated people, people get angry. Proof of vaccination will be required by no later than the end of this month for all federal employees. And by mid-November, enforcement measures in place will make sure that everyone is vaccinated. If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's your choice, but don't think you can get on a plane or a train besides vaccinated people and put them at risk. Wait a second, if you don't take this untested drug, you can't travel within your own country? You are inherently unclean and clean, obedient people shouldn't be forced to sit next to you? That's like Nazi stuff, right? I mean, that's what we read about when we read about the darkness descending on Germany in the 1930s. That's why we aren't for fascism because we're not for that. That's why we're free and they were enslaved. And yet all of a sudden our leaders, particularly that leader, were just saying it out loud. You must do this or else you have no rights at all. Amazing, and of course, most people in Canada, as most people in the United States, went along with it, but some didn't. And famously, a group of truckers in Canada decided to form what they called a freedom convoy drive to Ottawa to protest this. And in response, the prime minister of that country invoked the Emergencies Act for the first time in the history of Canada. And this gave the police, among other powers, the power to freeze your bank account, to shut down your Bitcoin exchange. So it turns out we spent like 80 years talking about dictators and fascists, but when they emerged in our own societies, we didn't even notice. But a few people did notice, and one of them is a man called Kyle Kemper. He's a Canadian. He happens to be the half-brother of Justin Trudeau. And it may or may not be personal, but he went about exactly the other side of this question of medical freedom and bodily autonomy. And so we thought it'd be interesting to talk to him about what we're watching, not just in his country of birth, Canada, but around the world. And he joins us now. Kyle, thanks so much for coming on. Tucker, it's a real pleasure to be on. So I do think, I mean, this just happened a couple of years ago, so it's hard to know when you're in the middle of something what's really significant and what isn't. But two years out, it does seem like this question of whether you have the right to decide what drugs go into your body. This is kind of maybe the central right that we have as free people. How do you read what happened in Canada over the vax? Like, what did that mean? Oh, I mean, I think all over the world, there are people who were very distrustful of it. And I think we've been warned. There's been many warning signs that there would be a mass injection campaign coming at some point. And then with, you know- I'm sorry to interrupt you. So you believed, before COVID even got here, that the government of your country, my country, of all of our countries, might force us to take an injection of something. I mean, that's what many people were kind of warning about. I think Aaron Russo, many, many, many moons ago, was suggesting that. Did you take that seriously at the time? You know, when you keep hearing this warning that this might come down at some point, and then you see, with the COVID-19 scenario, everyone painting fear, fear, fear, fear, fear around the virus, and hope, hope, hope, hope, hope around the vaccine, that just, you know, your spidey sense kind of goes up. The hairs stand up on your arms, and you think, you know, something's amiss here. And then when it becomes, okay, everybody must do this for the greater good, and you see all of a sudden, you know, public officials, like my brother, out there being effectively salesmen for the pharmaceutical industry, otherwise promoting a product that you can't advertise, and yet you have the schools, you have it being pushed across all of society in such incredible levels that, you know, there was a lot of people who were, like you and I, suspicious of it, and, you know, personally, you know, I have five children and a sixth on the way, and I'm not, you know, willing to expose myself to something that, you know, could be very dangerous. There's one, there's a difference between fear and danger. It's like, you know, if you operate in a land of worrying about all the things that scare you, that's one thing. To be aware and conscious of clear and present dangers and to be reactive to that is important, and that's, you know, what I chose to do, and many of us have chosen to. Me too, and I had pretty much the same reaction. My spidey senses went off. I'm not taking that. I mean, my family's not doing that, but I didn't really have a framework for understanding it. I mean, it was, from my perspective, I think I was watching the wrong media or something. It came kind of out of the blue, and all of a sudden, you see these governments acting, you know, in authoritarian, totalitarian ways, and I'm still shocked when I think about it. You seem less shocked. You know, I was always worried that what might happen, you know, with when Justin was in power, like what kind of scenario could happen if another, you know, a 9-11 type massive global scenario were to unfold. Sure enough, you know, we see the- Why were you worried about that? Because what type of actions, you know, would come out of it? Just like in the wake of 9-11, we saw all the nations of the world kind of come together underneath, you know, this anti-terror plan and this war on terror. Now we have, you know, the war on COVID. It's just, again, it's interesting to talk to someone who was a little more enlightened a little earlier than I was, because I saw your brother, and I thought, well, he's, you know, he's a liberal. You know what I mean? Like in a true sense, probably smokes a lot of weed and has, you know, dreams about world peace or something. That's the opposite of what this turned out to be. How did you know that? Well, I mean, first, I mean, I love my brother, Justin. Of course. Through and through. And, you know, I don't think he's never smoked that much weed. He was not really into that. That was not his thing. He's pretty on point. But I will, you know, add to it that he liked to be the, you know, he likes the attention, and he likes to be the leader of, you know, of the show. And when this, when the opportunity for him to be, you know, following in his father's footsteps and be, you know, the Prime Minister of Canada, because, you know, if you're growing up as a child and you see, you know, your father as the Prime Minister and having access to all of the, you know, the lights, the events, the interactivities. The trappings, we say. Trappings, yeah. You kind of want that, too. And I think, I don't know what exactly took place, but, you know, at some point, it was like, yeah, it was either Justin was kind of identified as someone who'd make a great Prime Minister and was, you know, helped in that journey. And, you know, quite frankly, Justin, he's an amazing person, and he was able to connect with so many people. And very, like, you know, lovable. But, again, once this COVID and the vaccine thing took place, and his words that he was using, which I don't know were really coming from his heart or whether they're coming from, you know, the teleprompter, you know, what was really being. But it sounds like you saw in him, despite your love for him and your acknowledgement that he's talented, which he obviously is, he became Prime Minister, you saw in him the potential for the abuse of power. I mean, I don't think he's abusing power. I think power is just, in general, being abused. Yep. Just like, you know, we've seen it, whether it's Justin or it was, you know, Boris Johnson. Right. Sinda Ardern or Joe Biden. Couldn't agree more. Power tends to be abused by its nature. And by, and centralized systems over time, the further centralized they get, the more secretive and corrupt they become as well. Amen. Now you're speaking my language, Kyle. I totally agree with you. So, when the vax thing happened and your brother starts saying things like, anyone who hasn't taken it is dirty and you should have a right not to be physically near a dirty, unvaccinated person. You say that was stuff from the, that not from his heart, but from the teleprompter. Who do you think was putting it on the teleprompter? Well, or it's like, as Matthias Desmond said, like this mass formation psychosis, when you have like everybody around him saying all this, like, you know, it's like, you know, what are his inputs? It's like with Plato's cave. Like if you're, if everybody's always around you telling you how the world is, you know, that's going to impact your worldview versus ourselves being open to access, having much more access to open information and, you know, actually listening to it. Like there's from, there's a point I really believe, like there's good intentions, but when counter information is presented, it's like, don't want to hear it. And you're, you're, it threatens the worldview. It's like, just give me the blue pill. I'll just, just keep taking it. That's totally right. Like, no, don't want to know. Cause I know like, is if you recognize that there is, you know, there's shadows and there are nefarious activities and there's, you know, that some, some of these warnings might have some credence and demand further investigation and justice, then, you know, that's an, can be an uncomfortable position to put yourself in. So. What, and thank you for mentioning, Matthias Desmat wrote one of the great books of the last hundred years, in my opinion. Well, and then, and by, and in that point, what he said about, you know, you can catalyze a group to really, you know, hate another group. Oh yes. And, you know, and Charles Eisenstein wrote an excellent article called Mob Morality and the Unvaxxed in which he made the case that, you know, this group is being like relentlessly attacked. And, you know, we saw a Toronto star in Canada, write a full like front page article saying, let them die. It was just so hostile towards, you know, those of us who chose, said, no, you know what? I'm not interested, I'm not going to do this. You don't have to. And they wished your death on you for that. And they, and I mean, you know, even Joe Biden said, it's going to be, what did he say, a winter of death? Yes. Something ridiculous along those lines. Like the absurd pressure to take this experimental injection, like I got suspended off Twitter for calling it a fake vaccine because like, does it stop transmission? Does it prevent infection? Like, no, no, I can call it a vaccine. Yeah. So what. What did that mean for you? Well, you probably got suspended because you're Justin Trudeau's brother too. So you could. It was a reply to his, one of his boasting tweets about, you know, how terrific it is that we've stuck 70 million people in the arm. What did that mean for you and your family? So you've got a sick child and we've got a huge family. Could, you're from Canada. Could you go back like during the COVID lockdowns? So in the beginning, it was very difficult. And then there was this whole essential worker kind of scenario. The border was just a nightmare. And that's why I ended up getting this RV that's now a super awesome Kennedy bus. And, you know, I drove around America, drove from California up to Canada because, you know, the airports were unconscious. And like, you know, when you're dealing with agents in an airport and you've got your family and you have mixed nationalities within the family, there's a chance you could, you know, have a bad interaction and your family's split up there and all of a sudden it's apart. So, you know, just being, taking the pragmatic, you know, intelligent approach, in my opinion, I got an RV and I drove across the country. And that also was super eye-opening because driving across America in, was that June of 2020? Yeah. Really interesting. California was very scared. We got to Texas. I was in the spring with like 3000 people. It was amazing. It was like, everything was fine. Everything was great. And then like, as we proceeded to get further, closer to Ottawa, it's like, you know, the level of fear, you could just feel it. And then once you got into Canada, oh my God, it was, you're there 14 days pure isolation between coming in there and like, you know, and if you were in contact with other people in 14 days, you could face up to six months in jail. And I think it was a half a million dollar fine was that they're threatening you with. That's just, it's just insane. What, you know, the levels and there's, and then when challenged and on these topics, and this is what the truckers did a lot of, was like, can we talk about some of these general assumptions and these facts that you're stating behind why we're doing this? They're met with, you know, hostility for asking simple questions. Well, those questions were racist as I remember, weren't they? I don't, I would not say that. I think they're fair questions that desire, desire, honest, honest interactivity. But this is the challenge about a myth. It's like, when you're, everything is based on a myth or based on a lie or false or a deceptive narrative, you can't debate. You instead, you must attack and enrage and censor and, you know, smear. Yeah. This was like the whole conspiracy theory, like, no, no, it's just conspiracy theory. Don't talk about that. I mean, you played a part in that, like way back in the day as well. Like just dismissing, dismissing. Oh, I used to dismiss a lot of things as conspiracy theories. I mean, remember, I believe you said it was blasphemous to question 9-11. And like, you know. I famously said that to Alex Jones's producers. And I think I said it for the same, it was in 2012, and I think I said it for the same reason that Matias Dezmet in your description described, which is to admit that the things you thought were true might not be true or more complicated than you thought they were, kind of challenges your assumption about everything. And that's scary. And I just didn't want that. And then, you know, by the time 2015 rolled around, it was like absolutely impossible to deny that a lot of this was fake. When everybody can also change too, like based on information, like at some point, you know, you can, anybody can forgive themselves for, or can, yeah, can forgive themselves and apologize to themselves for being deceived or, you know, having, you know, gone down a wrong path. Like you can realize that something, you know, actions that you've taken were misplaced and, you know, move forward in intention and integrity. Of course. And by the way, you can't have integrity if you don't do that, right? You can't live with a lie. You have to give it up by repenting. So how were you treated in Canada? How have you been treated in Canada since you're making a case that's, you know, diametrically opposed to that of your brother? Well, he referenced like the truckers as like a small fringe minority. And I'll counter that. I actually believe the liberals in the current government really represent a small fringe. I think that's right. And I think the majority of Canadians are frustrated. They're wondering why it's costing $45 for a platter of vegetables at the store. I feel like they're frustrated around, you know, what took place, how two years of their lives were surrounded within so much fear and how everybody was cut off. And, you know, I know like personally, some like, you know, when I started, when I spoke up during the trucker thing and was like, you know, was really inspired by them, it was like 99 to one positive messages. You know, to negative messages. It's been overwhelmingly positive, you know, the reaction and the sentiment. And it just seems like, you know, real like reality or like, you know, the primary interactions that I'm seeing with people versus like, you know, the matrix reality, you know, what you see on television are very different. And in talking to some of my friends in Ottawa, like, you know, I asked them, did you go down to Parliament Hill and engage? Cause it seemed like, you know, it didn't seem, it seemed like a, yes, it was like a demonstration, but it also seemed like it was a party. It seemed like for 17 days, Burning Man came to Ottawa. It was freezing. In January. In January, freezing man and crime was down. Vibes were high. People were looking out for each other. There was communal effort. They were participating. There was so much gifting. It was radically inclusive. Like all the principles were on display. But, you know, to those who didn't venture in there, if they just watched the news, it was, no, no, no. This is like, you know, this is right. Nazi conclave. Nazis, then they flew a Nazi flag. And oh my God, it's the Nazis. And that's like, you know, I feel like that flag was basically, what was the Reichstag? Yeah. All over again. Of course. In micro example of, you know, that plant. And so there was this opportunity to engage with, you know, these million people. And the truckers, but more than the truckers too. Cause the truckers represented like, you know, the heart of it. But then Canadians came out. I talked to my friend, my friend, Sonny. He, you know, he went to go to an overpass and he had been, you know, isolated for over a year, like with his family living in this bubble. And when he, and like questioning things. And then he went out to see the overpass and see all the truckers. There were hundreds of people at this overpass. And just like the energy of all those people was really inspired and inspiring. And then he ended up going to Ottawa and being like, this is incredible. So, you know, the reality of what took place on the ground there, if you went out and visited and saw with your primary, your eyes versus what the media was painting it as were very different. And unfortunately, you know, because based on a myth, the government chose to engage or enrage versus engage. And, you know, and then following it, they enacted the War Measures Act, rebranded the Emergencies Act to censor people's bank accounts. Individual personalities within the movement were indefinitely detained. They confiscated, you know, used legal tactics to lock up a lot of the donation funds that were going towards supporting the demonstration. Give Send Go, you know, the faith-based crowdfunding platform got hacked by some devilish characters. And then they released all the information of the donors to the public. And, you know, our valiant mainstream media in Canada were first to go through and analyze who all the people that donated were and start doxing people. Like, oh, that guy works in the private, you know, on Brooksville Parliament Hill and people were getting fired as a result of it. And for me, what was really kind of challenging out of this was if you bring a million people to Ottawa in the heart of winter for this truly exceptional gathering with a purpose and you had to use the horns and, you know, by the end, the horns were trying to work with the city too and they were trying to, you know, they wanted to respect. They didn't want to be, you know, real assholes to everybody in the city. And the beginning of, you know, you don't know exactly, it's kind of coming together. But the result of, okay, the security guards come into the zone and clear everybody out and they got those terrible images of like that ridiculous horse trampling of the old lady and, you know, a bunch of brutality. And those were some of the images that really stuck because they didn't want the bouncy castle images to be, you know, what this thing was remembered. If people cleared out peacefully and it was bouncy castles and hot tubs and street hockey and fireworks and dance parties and press conferences and experts gathering together and gifting and like communal activity, that's one thing. So instead they brought in the, you know, the security guards and they had a really ugly kind of, you know, house cleaning to it. And then they punitively went after everybody. So as Canadians, if you can't change or have a voice through a massive demonstration like that, what methods do you have towards influencing or shifting radical policy? Yeah, okay, so that now we're getting to the point, which is if you take away peaceful democratic means of protest and change, you leave people with only ugly options. Well, or we're now, when you get pushed, it's like, you know, what are we gonna do? And I feel like, you know, the world is full of amazing innovators and when you see this, it's like, okay, protests aren't gonna work, what else can we do? Years 2024, we have unbelievable technologies that we've never had before. Like, you know, like Bitcoin and crypto and blockchain and distributed ledger technology, internet. If you look at the beginning, the Westminster system of governance, the US system of governance was invented in a time when you needed representatives from specific regions to go to Washington to represent that. You didn't have the telegraph, you didn't have internet, you didn't have communications abilities. You needed a representative to go on behalf of your district, your area, your state, whatever, to go represent the interest. Well, we're still using that system like 250 years later, how many years later we are now, but the conditions have changed. We can have, we have FaceTime, we can talk directly to somebody on the other side of the planet in high definition. Maybe we should start looking at our governance systems and how we can upgrade those. Like Russell Brand is always talking about how do we decentralize and allow people to have a little bit more input. In Switzerland, it's a form of direct democracy. If you as a citizen have an issue with something, you go get 100,000 signatures and then the entire country will vote on it. They'll be presented with a booklet that says why you should vote for this referendum and then the government's official position, why you shouldn't vote for this and everybody gets this booklet. So it's a very informed process. We have multiple elections every year in Switzerland. I think they have like three or four. Yes. So I haven't asked you half an hour in about your contact with your brother. So you have not just views that are different from him, but like you've thought them through. You believe them for a reason. You probably have something to add. Sounds like you do, I think you do. Did you call him at any point? I did in the very beginning. I mean, I wanted to help out and my family's got restaurants. We got the Clock Tower Brew Pubs in Ottawa and I thought, well, what can we do? Can we do some food service? How can we help the community towards in this dangerous time? I wasn't really met with too much. Obviously he himself, I think, was also taking in so much different information and I wanted to help, wanted to help. I remember one, a good friend reached out with a mushroom solution that was helping the cytokine storm and sent that his way and never got any kind of answers to it. Just didn't seem like he was really looking for too much help. And then like once the vaccine or the vaccine, you know, agenda became really clear. That's when I was just like, hold on here. I remember, you know, Mickey Willis put out Plandemic One with Judy Mickiewicz, then he put out Plandemic Two, indoctrination, you know, which really detailed, you know, the event 201 scenario where they basically role-played how a global coronavirus pandemic should be handled by the corporate, by the corporatocracy in conjunction with government and media. And, you know, they role-played the whole thing two months before or three months before it all went live. So I was very like, you know, it's kind of skeptical once I started learning all that information and I could just see that, you know, Justin, it wasn't, you know, going to be there and the opportunity for like, you know, open discourse about this. I don't think he's really, he wasn't really interested in my points of view on these topics. Was he angry at you for expressing yours? I don't, I don't know. I mean, I hopefully in his heart of heart, like he's proud of being open and honest and speaking your truth. I think this is critical. I think, you know, like this is the path forward and it's also a big admitting, you know, when, you know, when you're wrong. That's the acid test right there. Can you admit when you were wrong? Can you admit when you're wrong? It's like, you know, and, you know, apologizing, but also like, it's like with our children. It's like, you know, they'll say I'm sorry, but they don't necessarily know why they're sorry. Sometimes like really hit and I'm sorry for hitting you. That's what, you know, or for doing this, but explaining to really understand what the problem was. And like, you know, there's this kind of, you know, this healing modality that needs to be embraced going forward. Like, have you familiar with the Hawaiian healing phrase, ho'oponopono? No. It's beautiful. So it's a Hawaiian healing prayer that's comprised of four lines. I'm sorry, please forgive me. I'm grateful or thankful. And I love you. And you can say these four lines to yourself first and like, you know, apologize to yourself for those things that you did. Find a place to forgive yourself for the things that you did. Be grateful and thankful to yourself and also love yourself. Like, you know, really critical. But then you can also use this with other people. So I said this to my mother, because I know like, you know, what I was doing was hurting, like was causing energy. So, you know, and I said this to Justin too. Like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for any harm that I've caused or if my words have negatively impacted your life. Please forgive me. I'm just trying to speak my truth and do what I think is right. Know that I love you and know that I'm thankful and grateful for everything, all the lessons, all the learnings, all the interactions, and that I love you in my heart of hearts. And this ho'oponopono message is something that I think we can take out there and you can really heal a lot. We live in a very divided civilization right now. More than just a country. Like in America, it's very divided. And this is one of Bobby's messages, like how do we heal the divide? How do we bring people together? Because we have been so polarized and it's easy to like, you know, and I feel like it's by design, it's divide and conquer. Of course. You get people just like, how many different identity buckets can you get them in? And then when they're all fighting each other, it's like, you know, it's easy to control. Versus like if we can actually heal and start working together and having open, honest discourse and respecting the differences of opinion that we all might have and share. But, you know, it's imperative that we're able to have open, honest discussion without being able to, you know, retreat or censor or attack or smear or guilt by association or use single words like conspiracy theory to just dismiss very valid points that require investigation. Right. I mean, you have to be honest enough to assess things on their own terms. Even if it's something you don't wanna hear, the first question you have to ask, it's your moral obligation to ask is, is it true? Is it true? You know, you say to me, you're a bad driver. Well, I don't wanna be a bad driver, but I have to ask myself like, am I a bad driver? Right? Right. Right, you have to be honest. So you mentioned apologizing to your mom, who I should say for people who aren't Canadian, is a very famous person in Canada, of course. Margaret Trudeau, famous. Amazing. Love you, mama. What, I mean, what's her view of all this stuff? Got two sons on different sides. I think, you know, she is very proud of Justin and all that he's done. So, and I think I've always been, you know, a little bit on the outside, let's say maybe the black sheep of the family a little bit with, you know, the questions and the topics of discussions and the debates that I would like to engage in. Like about what? About many different things, about like, you know, you had Ron Paul on here. Yeah. Like a lot of the lessons of the good doctor, like, you know, the Federal Reserve. Yeah. Looking at that, looking at blowback, looking at foreign policy. Yes. Engagement. Like right now, Canada, Justin has said repeatedly, we're in this till the end, until victory. It's like, come on, what does that look like? How can we do that? What does that even mean? What exactly? It's just, it never ends. Like, what is the condition? Why aren't we until the victory? How about peace? How about diplomacy? How, like the war, like pushing for war? Very, very dangerous, especially with our neighbors. Like Russia is a neighbor to Canada. It's right there. Yeah. On the other side. It's like, why, we don't want to, what's the point of this? Do you know the answer? I don't know the answer. What do you think the answer is? What is the point? Well, I think it's a global proxy war for the corporatocracy to further transfer wealth from sovereign individuals into the coffers of the global corporation. I think that's a good guess. I mean, it's like Henry Perkins, like, you know, he wrote the Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Kind of shows like, when we're giving $80 million or $80 billion in US dollars or whatever the number is to Ukraine, like, you think that money is like a pallet that's going to Ukraine? Like, no, it's there, it's, here's money for you to spend on our things. You've made reference to prayer and you've sort of revealed a worldview that is spiritual on some level. Canada seems very aggressively hostile to Christianity, for example, and spirituality. And that seems like a new thing. All these church burnings, for example, take place across your country. Some government officials, including your brother, seem to not have a problem with that. Like, what's your view of the role of spirituality and what's happening right now? Well, there were a lot of pastors, too, you know, who stood up. Yes. And went to jail. And like, you know, and who were subjugated and punished. So if you're cheering church burnings and throwing pastors in jail, like, what side are you on? What do you think? I think you're on Satan's team, honestly. That's what I actually think, since you asked. Well, you know, it feels like there's some dark energies out there. You know, there's like, I akin it to like, you know, it just seemed like there was a negative cloud taking in Canada, a bad energy, bad juju going on. Like, when my wife Brittany and I were in Canada in 2020, you know, she was pregnant. She got chased out of a grocery store. Why? Not wearing a mask. She was super pregnant. And like, you know, we were just, we were defiant around all that stuff. I couldn't, I was just not having it. And you know, but for people to be, to like, you know, to get to that level of animosity and hate towards someone for not kind of complying, it's really scary that you got to that state. Chasing a pregnant lady out of a grocery store? Chasing a pregnant lady out of a grocery store. Triggering a miscarriage. That's just absolutely beyond. No, it's horrible. So did you grow up in Ottawa? I did. So it really is your country. And I can tell by the way you say you grew up. I grew up in Ottawa. I've been all over, all over Canada. I've been all around. Canadians far and wide are amazing people. I agree with that. Beautiful country. Just like America. I mean, I've been so blessed to be all over America. And like, you know, and for the last eight months I've been driving my Kennedy bus all over America too, which has been just an absolutely unbelievable experience and, you know, really meeting people where they're at. And I'll just say, like, you know, I've been all over the world too and people everywhere are generally good. And it's like, there's, but there's good, beautiful hearts all over. There's bad people out there. There's some people that like seek to deceive and cause chaos and might quite frankly be evil. But, you know, we just, I personally, I just have to do the best I can and, you know, lead with an open heart and speak truth. And, you know, again, do the best you can. Be impeccable with your words. Don't make assumptions. Don't take things personally and always do your best. Four agreements. Amen. So the reason I asked you just to confirm that you grew up in Canada and then you get to, you know, 30 years later, your pregnant wife is being chased out of a grocery store. Like, how did that happen? How did we, because it didn't just, I mean, it came to a head during COVID and the trucker protest, but these things build over years. Did you see it coming? Did you know that the country was changing from a free place to a totalitarian place or a mob rules place? I mean, there's definitely warning signs that, you know, these are going, like my trust in the media, especially the Canadian media. Like, you know, we know the American media, being especially yourself, but the Canadian media is like kind of like a special type of hypnotic, deceptive. Like there isn't so much like a real left, right. It's kind of all just the same melange of like, you know, here's what you believe, what you should think. And a lot of what should be objective reporting is presented with careful subjectivity. It sort of marinates in propaganda. I remember seeing Hockey Night in Canada, a broadcast of it, and I was really struck, not just by the high level of play on the ice, but by the propaganda slogans everywhere around the rink that had nothing to do with selling anything. It was selling ideas about Canada. And I thought, wow, that's like 1984 stuff. And then, I mean, and then look like when the COVID scenario took place too, it's like, you don't shut down the hockey. Like you don't shut down the gladiator sports. You need to keep, you know, people still doing that. So they just enacted the bubbles and then, you know, and then they spin in all of a sudden, like the, you know, the propaganda influence starts getting through and through into the sport, which is already there, but it becomes a little bit more in your face. And, you know, people aren't, there's no fans in the stadiums here. It was like, but they kept playing, you know, so that people could still have their sport and still have their entertainment there. How did you wind up so different from your brother? I mean, I learned a lot from Justin. I learned a lot from my brother, Sash. I learned a lot from my late brother, Michelle. I learned a lot from my father and from my mother and from my friends and through experiences and through travels and through a very varied work history and saying yes to things and opportunities and, you know, just getting out there and experiencing all sorts of different things and keeping kind of an open mind. That's, you know, how I've gotten to the point where I am right now. Huh. Can you name like a certain set of experiences that made you so different? I mean, like, you know, being involved with the Ron Paul stuff back in the day, like listening to that, you know, to the crypto industry and participating, which was in the beginning, which was a lot of like libertarians, you know, coming together, looking at, you know, how do we solve for the Federal Reserve? How do we solve for decentralized peer-to-peer electronic cash, which was Satoshi Nakamoto's vision? And then, you know, just being immersed within that group of people was, you know, very enlightening and very educational. And then like there was a certain point in like, you know, 2015, 2016, that like a lot of the Burning Man kind of community started getting really into this space too. So, you know, and there's like cross-pollination of information. And, you know, a lot of the principles out of that were very, you know, eye-opening as well. And, you know, and I've spent a lot of time in California as well. And coming from Ottawa, which is, I wouldn't say it's a conservative city. It's a government town, but it's a conservative town. Like, you know, as an entrepreneur, as an innovator there, and as a creative, a lot of times, you know, the first reaction is to say no to an idea. No, no, that's not gonna work because of this, that, the other. But you go to California, and like in being in this very innovative kind of environments, and the action is yes, like here's how we can do it. And it's like kind of the American spirit, right? And it's like, yes, yes, we can. Let's build, let's create. And let's challenge and not just believe that you can't do something because, you know, it might not work. It's like, you know, you gotta open yourself up to some vulnerability and try because you're never gonna succeed if you don't try. So at least try. It's like Bobby, you know, he's freaking doing it. Going for the presidency. You show so much courage doing that, I'm behind you as well. Let's try this. We don't know what's gonna happen. People will tell you they know what's gonna happen. Nobody knows what's gonna happen. That's true. So why not give it your best? And it's like, you know, and recognize that if you don't like the status, it's like Switzerland. You don't like that law, guess what? Get up, go out, get 100,000 signatures, and then everybody votes on it. Is there any chance that that happens in Canada? There's no recourse. And this was one of the issues out of the trucker thing is what can you do? Can you have a referendum? To do a referendum, and many people looked into it, you need a support of a sitting MP. And many of them aren't kind of willing to do that. So there's no direct ability to participate. And Justin said, if you wanna make a difference, if you don't like these policies, well, get out and vote. Get out and vote. And that's how you can show it. It's like, well, you know, going out every four years or five years in the case of Canada, or two, I don't know, it kind of switches up all the time. But going out and making one mark on a piece of paper and declaring that democracy, I just think that's a little bit short-sighted. It's not really civic engagement. Could you ever imagine moving back there? Yeah. I think Canada can win a Stanley Cup at one point, too. You need to fix the tax system. Would that be an inducement to move back? The tax system? No, the Stanley Cup. No, I think if the tax system were fixed, that would be a great inducement for many people to move back to Canada. Yeah. The current system encourages successful people to leave. Yeah. And offshore their money. It's not a culture of celebrating achievements and value creation. No, it's a culture of crushing the different. Yeah, and taxing, and rules, rules and more laws, regulations, bylaw, provincial, federal, just keep on adding, keep on adding. And there's a challenge in repealing these or cleaning it up. So I feel like we're at the point where what can you do? What can you do? And like I mentioned before, the systems have changed. So I think it's time for an open conversation about how things can change. And like I said, Pierre Poliev came to this conference that I held in Ottawa and talked about Switzerland and how referendums happen there and how blockchain could be able to use that. Well, I would love to see him expand more on that and to explore in Canada, how we can have a more involved population when it comes to being integrated in decisions. Because the way the party system works is like they've got the whip, that word goes back a ways, but they use their whip and all people within the party just have to vote according to the party's dictate. And that doesn't represent the people. And honestly, so many politicians get elected as representatives for a given space on certain promises, but then there's no accountability to uphold those promises. And if you don't follow through with them, there's nothing you can do. Technically, in the States, there's a recall process. In Canada, there really isn't a recall. Do you think your brother will get reelected? I don't think he wants to, but- You don't think he wants to get reelected? I mean, I don't think he, I don't think, I mean, personally, I don't know. I just think some of the latest stuff, and it's just really sad, it's not a way to live. I'm out here fighting for freedom and speaking for freedom and liberty. Well, Justin is not a free man. They just showed him trying to go to an event a couple of days ago, and there were probably like 50 cops. As his escort, because Canadians are pissed off. It's angry out there, folks. It's not a good look. Can't drive a car, he can't go to a restaurant. Will you make a big sacrifice when you enter into that public arena? And he has entered that public arena, and in the beginning, it was all sunshine and rainbows, but now it's dark, and there's a lot of negative energy, and to all the people that really are putting that negative energy on Justin, just recognize Justin's like the captain of the hockey team. He's not the manager of it, he's not the owner of it. Who do you think the owner is? I don't know. I think you have a pretty good idea. I mean, I personally think there's a spiritual component to all of this, so there's maybe the supreme leader of it, but I assume business interests are involved. Business interests, yeah. I use the word the corporatocracy. Yeah. Like, you know, their profits, you know, come from, like, you look at the pharmaceutical industry, like, and the profits reaped out of, you know, the COVID scenario, you know, it's just one example, or the military industrial complex, and the money and the profits reaped out of war, and you can. But Canada's gotten so much poorer. I didn't go for a few years because of COVID, and we were just there this winter, and it's a poorer country. It's just much more expensive, and people's standard of living is dropping. I think that's fair to say, right? So how could. I didn't like it. How could, well, it's also true in the United States. How could leaders, when their own country's getting poorer, send all this money to a war across the world that has no benefit to them at all? That's a great question for them. Yeah. How, why, why are you doing this? What are you doing for Canadians? Well, we're gonna create a new food program, or we're gonna create more programs, more programs, more programs. Look at root spending, folks, and look at the taxation situation. Like, you're taxed, and you're taxed, and you're taxed. You're getting taxed on the money that you're being taxed on. Like, you know, what you have left is very little, and then you look at the cost of housing, the cost of living. It's unsustainable. And then there's also, like, you know, a culture. I saw an article, you know, it was kind of, like, explaining, like, wow, there's, like, you know, over 100,000 people in the government making more than $100,000 a year. And it's like, well, I mean, when you factor in inflation, like, $100,000 is not what it used to be. Like, you're basically, if you've got a family, like, you're not, you're not thriving at $100,000 a year. Like, and same in America. And they want to, you know, has spent a lot of time working in the financial industry, it used to be, like, you know, the remember the $10,000, you have more than $10,000 in cash. Well, it's been that way for, like, 50 years, $10,000 in cash. And now they're trying to bring it down to even lower numbers. Like, anytime there's a transaction over $600, they want to know, which is really dangerous. So, you know, when you have this financial oversight combined with the fact that people don't have any money, and then, you know, then there's also this element, there's like a UBI kind of gentle play that was kind of introduced as well with, you know, they, the checks were written in Canada for like $4,000 for every Canadian just. Yeah, that's UBI. Yeah, and it's UBI, and it's just blanket giving out. It's not like there was like a requesting, wouldn't people like, who are like desperately needing help have a way to ask for help? No, it's just like blanket welfare, really inefficient, ineffective system. And ultimately it is going to drive more inflation, which will drive higher costs for everybody. Well, it's quite effective that way. If you want to make people totally dependent on the people in power, that's what you do. Right. So you said you think your brother wants to get out. What do you, my final question, what do you think he will do when he gets out? And what do you think he should do when he gets out? I mean, if you think about like, what did like Bill Clinton do when he got out? It's like, I'm gonna go on speaking tour. I'm like, you know, go sit on boards and do things like that. You know, you could probably do that. You know, I think there's some, he's got to ultimately decide what he's gonna do. I would say start with hope on the pono. Like that's a good place to start. With the Hawaiian prayer. Say you're sorry. Say you're sorry, apologize, ask for forgiveness, but tell people why you're sorry too. Come clean, there's stuff, I'm sure there's some stuff. Like, you know, just, you know, repent, if you will, and move forward in a good path. Do the best you can, because, you know, this is our, this is, you know, this life that we have to live, and let's do it, respect our children, our grandchildren, our parents, our elders, our ancestors, and carry the flame. Amen. Kyle, thank you. Tucker, thank you. Free speech is bigger than any one person or any one organization. Societies are defined by what they will not commit. What we're watching is the total inversion of virtue. Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. The internet is crowded with interesting things that don't really matter. On TCN, we attempt to bring you interesting things that actually do matter, and a lot of them. 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